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Debate Score:72
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From where do atheists derive their morality?

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They have none

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Societal norms and mores. These were in play long before religion coopted them.

Side: From thin air
2 points

Morality is by no means exclusive to religion. If that were the case then no religious person ever would commit any form of atrocity against another and all atheists would have no moral code, two instances we know aren't true. Having morals, knowing between what is right and what is wrong is a part of both humanity and civil law, some need religion as an extra guideline, others don't.

Side: From thin air
1 point

Without Godm you have no moral compass. Atheists are just liberals who hate Christians too much.

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Mint_tea(3644) Disputed
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Atheists are just liberals who hate Christians too much.

If people who are Atheists choose to stop believing in God because they hate Christians then there is a bigger issue at play. Not all Atheists are liberals and not all Atheists hate Christians, what you suggest is like saying Christians are just Republicans who hate non-believers too much. Doesn't sound right like that, does it?

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FromWithin(6666) Disputed
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Do you remember the Seinfeld episodes where they always finished any remarks about homosexuality with...... "not that there's anything wrong with that"?

This sums up the extent of so called moral values of Atheists. They refuse to take a stand on most things because it would not be politically correct to state the obvious.

Without a moral foundation from a person's faith, there can be no moral absolutes. No man has the exact same morals as another man so therefore we must now be silent when speaking to moral values for fear of offending someone. Anything goes and if a person dares speaks out on an issue, they will be beaten down by the political correct thought police, calling them judgmental hatemongers.

People without God will follow the slippery slope of political correctness, and their moral foundations will shift with the times.

We have witnessed this slippery slope with the political activism of LGBTQRSUVWXYZ groups.

No longer can we accept the science of biology because it states...... THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT!

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0 points

Without a book, I think most people (and probably even animals) would have the for thought to think - “hey, if I do X to him, he may return the same behavior back. And besides- plenty of Judeao/Christians have still done some very offensive crimes.! So, humans and animals lived with each other for millions of year before the Bible was written . We r here - they didn’t murder everyone??!! Huh?

Side: From thin air
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In fairness, there were other religions, some still living, before Christianity. One of the oldest found structures called the Megalithic Temples of Malta have evidence of livestock sacrifices. In fact just about every ancient structure has evidence of some form of religion and sacrifice or place of worship so it's not too far fetched to think that religious belief is as ingrained in our history as learning to walk is.

Side: From thin air
2 points

Common decency is a congenital characteristic of most human beings that grows and becomes enriched with maturity.

With this sage mankind has established rules/laws which are designed to achieve an ordered society in which people can live with dignity and in relative safety.

Religions have tried to hijack the qualities of morality, virtue, integrity etc., which form a natural part of the human psyche' and claim that they exist only as a consequence of the teachings of their particular faith.

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MarkBlews(13) Disputed
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Religions have tried to hijack the qualities of morality, virtue, integrity etc., which form a natural part of the human psyche' and claim that they exist only as a consequence of the teachings of their particular faith.

Where did western morality arise if not from the bible?

Side: They have none
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Hello M:

Some of us need a book to tell us how to behave, and some of us don't.

excon

Side: From thin air
outlaw60(13157) Disputed
2 points

You are an Atheist Jew Water Boy ! So are you confused about a book ?????? LMMFAO

Side: They have none
1 point

I like you, but ye geteth it not.......................................................................................

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FromWithin(6666) Disputed
1 point

LOL, you lack the most basic of humanity to stop supporting No Restriction abortions, and you sit here telling us that you don't need the Bible to tell you how you should behave?

Do you ever listen to the dysfunctional hypocrisy in your words?

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MarkBlews(13) Disputed
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Some of us need a book to tell us how to behave, and some of us don't.

But how can you know how to behave since there is no scientific basis for morality? Morality is entirely subjective in your world view because the whole universe wasn't created by a sentient being who's subjective opinion is universal law.

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excon(8961) Disputed
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Hello again M,

I have no idea why I know that killing someone is wrong, but I know it. I think civilization has something to do with it.

excon

Side: From thin air

The same place as anyone. Biology, society, parental teaching, personal experience, history, education, ect.

Side: From thin air
1 point

Why can't we just be nice for the sake of being nice? Suits me just fine. I hope you aren't being nice only because of what you think God says.

I don't believe things can be objectively morally right or wrong.

A question for you: are things (a) right/wrong just because God says they are, or are they (b) right/wrong because of some objective morality that doesn't come from God? If (a), then your morality seems arbitrary. If (b), God isn't required for your morality to exist.

Side: From thin air
1 point

I'll start by saying one thing just quickly... Nice choice of views "From thin air".

I do agree that religion did a good job of creating somewhat of a structure 2000 years ago. But today it's really not necessary. So yes I would agree religion assisted in the creation of societal RULES.

Morals however are very different. I'll try and not make this a debate of religion, because it is very VERY rarely even a debate by definition. Morals would have most likely originated from trial and error, alongside generational learning. One generation learns something, and passes it down to their children. The children improve upon it, and so on and so forth. If humans had morals since day dawn, we would see no increase in the success of societies. Are our societies the same as the societies 2000 years ago? No, they are far far different. Because morals change, they are learned, and improved upon.

One thing we have had since the beginning in my opinion, based on nature. Is the willingness to survive. To survive you are better off in groups (especially humans). When in groups the individuals MUST cooperate, they must, how else would the group survive without natural cooperation? Through cooperation comes the sharing of knowledge. Knowledge which becomes guidelines, rules, boundaries, etc. It's as simple as individual humans, becoming groups. Then groups, become societies. It's really not that complex.

To argue morals come from a God. One must first prove the existence of God, which has yet to be done. I refuse to acknoledge the belief our morals came from a higher being, when EVERY single theory of God is unfalsifiable. Meaning it can't be proven wrong. In the sense there is no way of proving it wrong. Meaning there is no way to test it.

Therefore, any theory based on another theory in which has not been proven, can also not be proven, nor SHOULD it be risen as a point of argument. Morals coming from a God is a theory, one which is based on the unproven, unfalsifiable theory that God even exists.

Side: From thin air
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Oh here we go, it's the Christian pretend game again where we pretend that Christians have a lock on morality. The worn out old joke again.

Imagine the carnage Christian simpletons would inflict on the world if they didn't have a Buy-Bull to answer life's easiest questions which the rest of us so effortlessly figure out for ourselves.

Side: From thin air
5 points

Thinking your brother is fair game in the bedroom and claiming 455 genders isn't figuring it out.

Side: They have none
Rusticus(1574) Disputed
1 point

Just keep pretending that Catholic priests and the rest of the clergy are pure as the driven snow.

Pretend that prisons aren't full of Jesus loving pschopaths.

Invent an alternate reality for yourself because actual reality will never work for you so you need to pretend your miserable life away.

Side: From thin air
Gibby_Prime(39) Disputed
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Imagine the carnage Christian simpletons would inflict on the world if they didn't have a Buy-Bull to answer life's easiest questions which the rest of us so effortlessly figure out for ourselves.

Why do people say “Buy-Bull?” Like seriously. Also, what would you consider life’s easiest questions that the Bible has answered?

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outlaw60(13157) Disputed
2 points

What does a Progressive think about Muslims ??????????? That should be an easy question for you !!!!!!!!!!!

Side: They have none
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You just proved that liberal atheists hate Christians.......................................................

Side: They have none
2 points

Atheists have no basis for their alleged morals..................................................................

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MarkBlews(13) Disputed
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Atheists have no basis for their alleged morals

I agree, atheists think morals just popped out of the aetherial planes of oblivion. How could there be morality without God?

Side: From thin air
2 points

Even for Atheists, there are different subjects and sub-categories and types of expectations when speaking of - " morality "

The Morality of Atheistism is really defined as = the personalized and private morality of the many, many different subgroups of the many atheist's communities and atheists individuals around the world.

With Atheists, I believe that the moral standards are diversified and a very massive spectrum in deciding what morality is supposed to be. We have Atheists in The Soviet Union, China, Vietnamnam and Korea who have decided that communism is the moral standard. These atheist communists have murdered hundreds of millions of religious people who were breaking their laws and morals.

But Here in the USA, the atheist community has not established an Atheist Communism Government and atheists have been very peaceful and non-violent toward religious people and there has never been a violent conflict between the religious and the atheist. And the atheist's community is only around 22 % of the USA population and although atheists make up about 50 % of the gay community in the USA, the gay community itself is only around 2 % of the population in the USA but Nearly 67% of All TOTAL New HIV Cases. My heart goes out to atheists here in the USA and I hope that they can break free of these problems that are plaguing them.

If atheists could follow the morals of the Bible, even if they do not believe in a deity, I believe that atheists can better their lives and a great future would be ahead of them. Because in the Bible the point that the prophets were making was that the Jews were to be clean.

Cleaning pots, pans, vessels, Washing, BATHING Every Single time after SEX, Washing after touching Dead People or animals. Keeping away from other people if You touch a Dead ROTTING Animal. Making sure to Mary a virgin or a widow. No sex with Animals. No gay sex.

'When any man has a discharge from his body, his discharge is unclean.

And whoever touches his bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, Whoever sits on anything that is unclean shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and bathe his body in running water ........ 'If any man has an emission of semen, then he shall wash all his body in water, and be unclean until evening. And any garment and any leather on which there is semen, it shall be washed with water.................'If a woman has a discharge, and the discharge from her body is blood - everything that she sits on shall be unclean. the LAW was to --- separate the children of Israel from their uncleanness, lest they die in their uncleanness. Don't Eat bats, Lions, Cats, Rats, Eel, stingray, and catfish fishes with no fins and scales) Snakes. Don't Eat Raw Blood. the Point of punishment for BLOOD CRIMES> The law of Moses, Punished People for Committing BLOOD CRIMES against Others. Creating Diseases, Birth Defects, and Plagues. Today People Run Wild, INFECTING Millions. .......God Did not put up With this. the actors were punished and the Disease, infections, and Danger to Innocent Lives and People Following the LAW were safe.

Water supplies, Food Supplies and All Cooking and Daily Living was Safe. Today we have millions of innocent people with diseases and these BLOOD CRIMES are destroying millions of people. Today nearly 37 million people worldwide living with HIV, approximately 1.8 million are innocent children.

There are 23,000 to 46,000 children in the U.S. with Hepatitis C. In comparison, approximately four million American adults have the virus.

I just wish that People would consider the results of their actions instead of seeing the Bible as harsh and so cruel. If people could see that ignoring the Bible morality standards are causing death, suffering, Pain and killing one another and innocent Children. The Bible shows how to live in a safe, clean healthy and family oriented life - in BIBLICAL Days, Once You are Infected with a Disease - You are doomed to a Life of Horrible Suffering, pain, torment, agony, and Death. No CURES, no medical Treatment, no treatment and no painkillers.

The infected people infect the water supply and food and animals and spread to the rest of your multiple wives an future children and the entire plagues can be spread to hundreds of other people.

Remember that the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, -- Lev 18:3 YOU SHALL NOT DO - after the doings of the land of Canaan, neither shall ye walk in their ordinances. Lev 18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God. Lev 18:5 Ye shall, therefore, keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD. Moses Goes on to explaining the Details of the Behavior of the People who were living in the land of Canaan. Lev 18: 6 - 21 eXplains that they were incestuous people who were having sexual encounters with their own Daughters, Sons their Own Mothers and Fathers. A huge seXual Fest of Incest. Lev 18:22 eXplains that they were into HomoseXuality... Lev 18:23 explains that they were into seX with Animals. Lev 18:24 Defile, not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: Lev 18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it,

Lev 19:29 Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a [ WH0RE ]; lest the land falls to whoredom. God was demanding that His people not become infected with germs and diseases that would destroy them.

This is the entire purpose of Gods law.

REMEMBER -

THEIR BLOOD BE UPON THEM.

BLOOD CRIMES ARE REAL. Especially when there are no cures, nothing but death and suffering to whomever You infect.

In the Bible days, there were no treatments, tests, medicines and antibiotics, cures, surgeries and modern advanced technologies. Once You catch a disease You and everyone that You knowingly infect are doomed to suffer a horrible, painful and excruciating, torturous and agonizing Painful horrible death. You beg for someone to knock You in the head and get it over with as Your penis or guts or liver or organs are literally slowly rotting off - with no painkillers, no treatments, and medicine. The Jews were being constantly attacked and were in a constant state of war. They were always on the run and living and surviving with all of Your neighbors attacking You is nearly impossible especially when Your neighbors are also spreading diseases in the water supply and by having sexual contact with people in Your Own Neighborhoods. Leviticus has explained many of the details of the violent, evil behaviors of the neighbors of the Israelites who were allied against Israel and attacking them.

Even if You or I do not believe in a deity – we can still read The Bible Stories and see what they were dealing with and what they had to do to survive and keep from being infected with widespread diseases, plagues, and symptoms.

Side: They have none
2 points

Hello.

Yes, There are so many, many of the Liberal Democrat politicians and their voters

and many Democrat movie stars, Liberal Democrat musicians, and like-minded individuals around the world who demand that all Republican Conservative Christians and Jews are not only to make a public confession for their full support for homosexuality.

But they also are very militantly, aggressively and fanatically demanding that Republican Conservative Christians and Jews are also to " celebrate and worship " and idolize the " IDEA " attitude, views, principles and the very core system of homo - sexual acts in practice.

It is such a shame that a grown capable man wants to take from women and pretend to take the place of a woman.

Women who are career mothers and even future potential mothers have such a

special, important irreplaceable unique and PRICELESS role in humanity and in the American income taX system and in the family.

Gay men who living a gay lifestyle - do not produce or bear children.

The woman's body is designed and specialized and made designed and set up - specifically for the miracle of conception, growth, development, and birth of making a little baby. - REPRODUCTION.

And the gay community ignores the fact that women's bodies are set up and designed so very, very different than a man's body.

Most women are not working the jobs of males and the Gay community knows this.

The Gay community still demands that they have the right to mary other males and have the taX breaks and wife and motherly privileges of a Woman and a marriage situation.

The Gay community has really truly nauseated the world.

Even Hillary Clinton had - Her homoseXual Military, homoseXual FBI, homoseXual CIA and homoseXual leadership and manipulators -

The Democrat party also has handed the KEYS to the American Government over to the Gay and Lesbian community worldwide - and it cost them elections and also COST the American taXpayers millions of dollars to clean up their mess.

The Democratic party would rather not have the presidency and win the Elections because The Democrat body is so corrupted and entrenched in the drug and an illegal activity lifestyle they could not manage to stumble into the white house.

They would rather keep their illegal activity lifestyles, good times, Pleasures - Foreign Contacts, Secret and all the illegal ways that they obtained them.

The insider trading and scams -CORRUPTION and BETRAYAL - So They Smash Phones and hard drives and take a nationwide sledgehammer to everything and delete every E-Mail that shows what their activities have been.

They rather not have a Democrat president if they have to turn in their Taxpayer provided supplies inventories and INFO. Because they already got what they wanted. They do not need the White House.

They have everything they need by illegality.

Christians should realize that Gays legally have the right to be protected by the law but realize that Gays overall don't care a rip about the rights of children or the reality of the sacred, special unimaginable and cruital, vital role of women. And the need for a taX bracket to be set up to pay women what they deserve for being a woman in a marriage working on savings and getting the benefit of taX breaks for being the wonder that they are. A Woman.

A Gay who is a full grown man - with the capability to work just like another man is stealing and hijacking the rights and privileges and needs of the woman.

By demanding the same tax breaks of a woman.

The Liberal Democrat politicians and their voters are not about the ideology of the importance of Family and women. I believe that women are owed the respect for who they are.

It is important to let the homosexual males work like all of the other males and stop pretending to be mothers and wives. It is beyond disgusting and immoral.

Side: They have none

Atheist liberals refuse to condemn pedophiles. #RapeCultureIsWhen ....................................................

Side: They have none

Do you remember the Seinfeld episodes where they always finished any remarks about homosexuality with...... "not that there's anything wrong with that"?

This sums up the extent of so called moral values of Atheists. They refuse to take a stand on most things because it would not be politically correct to state the obvious.

Without a moral foundation from a person's faith, there can be no moral absolutes. No man has the exact same morals as another man so therefore we must now be silent when speaking to moral values for fear of offending someone. Anything goes and if a person dares speaks out on an issue, they will be beaten down by the political correct thought police, calling them judgmental hatemongers.

People without God will follow the slippery slope of political correctness, and their moral foundations will shift with the times.

We have witnessed this slippery slope with the political activism of LGBTQRSUVWXYZ groups.

No longer can we accept the science of biology because it states...... THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT!

Side: They have none
2 points

I agree.

We notice the Liberal Democrat studies that make studies about the sexual molestation and rape commited by adult males..

These studies are based solely and completely on the themes. arguments, messages and assertions and CLAIMS of the studies of incoming statements of child molesters.

The Bi-Sexual And Homosexual male Child Molesters write the data and the scientific and " liberal democrat media" community pretends that the claims of pedophiles are facts.

A straight man does not feel attracted to a little boy. Even if a Bi-Sexual adult male is only attracted to little boys - He is still committing a Homosexual act.

it is not a heterosexual attraction.

This is the only facts that have evidence - not the foolish, deceptive and perverted and twisted studies that are based solely, entirely and completely upon the themes. arguments, messages and assertions and CLAIMS of the studies of incoming statements of child molesters and pedophiles who CLAIM that they are not Bi-Sexual and Homosexual.

The Bi-Sexual and Homosexual Child molesters write the data and the scientific community pretends that the claims of pedophiles are facts.

This is a Liberal Democrat Study Of Perverted Liberals - who are the most perverted people the USA has to offer.

Liberal Democrat voters have been harmful to little children regarding their sexuality.

With Liberal Democrats, they spend millions of dollars building great campaign propagandizing the idea that little children can know if they are Transgender or Gay / Homosexual / Female gender or male at a very, very early age. They set up programs and laws and mandates in order to cause a breakdown in their Conservative Republican political opponents and in the family structure and family unit, to attack the system by enacting and exaggerating the idea that children are being neglected and disrespected sexually because children have knowledge of their sexual preference and pre-knowledge about their gender and sexuality but the political opponents { Conservatives / Republicans } somehow have not accommodated the children's sexual needs.

The Liberal Democrat acts if a little child knows something about their sexual identity and the Liberal Democrats also acts as if THEY know something about the child's sexual identity.

But when a religious man molests a little boy, suddenly all of the Liberal Democrat fantasy and role-playing and - projection that they project onto the little children suddenly goes out the door and the Liberal Democrat finger ONLY points at the religion itself, instead of the homosexual lust that the adult male is forcing onto the male child.

Suddenly the child has no sexuality and awareness of His gender because He is suddenly too young and the religious person who molested the child also has no understanding about the sexual identity of Him / Herself. HERE THE FINGERS are always pointed to the religion = They pretend that a priest or religious homosexual man who hides His homosexuality to keep His religious status and job is somehow deserving a special privilege or a right that He deserves giving Him an exclusive right to His privacy about the fact that HE is a homosexual who is attracted to little boys. The Liberal Democrat demands that the religious child molester is exclusively, suddenly somehow been rendered as unable to understand anything about the Child’s male gender...

Which all makes it a Non-Homosexual act because the gay priest denies that He is gay.

And Roman Catholics also play along pretending that the man is simply confused or mentally unstable instead of acknowledging that He is a homosexual.

Liberal Democrats demand that sex act involving a man and a little boy is somehow suddenly not a homosexual act committed by the adult when the man is a part of a religion.

And the child molester’s sexuality is hidden in concealment, confidentiality, isolation, retreat and privacy and confusion and unfamiliarity because He is too religious to be a real homosexual even in eyes of the Roman Catholics around Him.

The goal is to hide the fact that rape of children destroys their sexuality and is harmful and manipulating and controlling = as Catholics, Muslims and Liberal Democrats and Atheists all use this as a tool to control and maintain power and manipulation as also Muslims follow Mohammad who raped a nine-year-old little child. Mohammad knew full and well the sexual gender of the little female child that he molested.

Liberal Democrat and Roman Catholics have no problem with this at all. ROMAN CATHOLICS kiss the Quran and pray with Muslims facing Mecca and defend Islam and this molestation and rape event is easily forgotten and put behind them, As long as Catholics continue to play along and remain silent and complicit and ROLE PLAY assimilate and cooperate with the Liberal Democrat that the fantasy that all adult male on boy sexual rape or molestation encounters are not of a homosexual nature and pretend that the Priests homosexuality has nothing to do with it. then Roman Catholics will always be the darling of the left and Muslims will always be the contact and lens and example that the Left will use to represent the Biblical marriage of Abraham.

American Liberals simply love and use and abuse the sexual manipulation that molesting children causes and Roman Catholics, Muslims, and Liberal Democrats are ok with being deeply and diversely and variously involved in sexually confusing children and the negativity and mental abuse and confusion and spiritual DESTRUCTION it has upon them and the Bible Believing, Conservative Families, Ideas, Principles and Religious natures from the Bible.

As they cover and hide the fact that the molester is, in fact, a homosexual or Bi-Sexual.. The door is always left open as the molester can never be profiled or identified as anything but a RELIGIOUS MAN. As the Democrat Party spends millions of dollars building great campaigns propagandizing the idea that little children and adults can know if children are Transgender or Gay / Homosexual / Female gender or male, at a very, very early age. But when a gay man knows that the boy is a male gender and is trying to force a FEMALE GENDER on the boy suddenly it is not really sexual but an act of an attraction to the innocence, pureness and unawareness and confusion and ignorance of little child, to the enjoyment of the man who is actually in FACT, a homosexual or a Bi - sexual or both.

And because the pedophile denies His OWN SEXUAL IDENTITY - The statistical studies are based solely, entirely and completely upon the themes. arguments, messages and assertions and CLAIMS of the studies of incoming statements of child molesters and pedophiles who CLAIM that they are not Bi-Sexual and Homosexual.

What a perverted society - the people who are Democrat voters.

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