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I Am Free. Nope Still a Slave.
Debate Score:202
Arguments:226
Total Votes:211
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F@#k The Theistic God.

Live free or fuck you is my motto, I refuse to be a slave to any man or God, I would much rather burn in hell then to be told how to live with rules created by anyone that sets condredictery boundaries.

I Am Free.

Side Score: 97
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Nope Still a Slave.

Side Score: 105

Just out of curiosity, is there such a thing as an atheistic God?

Side: I Am Free.
1 point

Well. I consider myself atheist in that I don't regard any beings I have ever become aquainted with, as worthy of worship. But I do think that gods exist (beings that are thought to be worthy of utter devotion/worship). As an atheist, my "god" is not a being but a principle. Though it is not an entity, I do think this principle is worthy of utter devotion, meaning devotion to this principle is appropriate on any and all occasions as far as I am concerned.

Side: I Am Free.
1 point

Define '' God ''

'' the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.''

Grammatically there can not be an atheistic God. A God is a theistic creature, it is like saying '' I am a non-smoking smoker '' .. it simply doesn't make sense.

You can have your principles and stuff, just don't call it atheistic Gods.

Side: Nope Still a Slave.
Warjin(1577) Clarified
1 point

No but if there is some higher power, I am willing to bet my life that God is not the theistic version but a deistic one.

I know I come off strong on my views on the subject of God, it's not that I don't believe in the concept of a higher power, creator/God, because without proof no one really knows one way of another, my problem is with mans made up unproven bullshit version of God, or a theistic God, we humans have a sick way of tacking on human emotions to God as if we have any fucking clue what so ever, books like the Bible, Quran, ect. boil my blood and do nothing but push me away from any concept of God, at least the theistic version of the psychopath they call God.

Side: I Am Free.
shoutoutloud(4303) Clarified
1 point

Sorry to say, but a deistic God IS a theistic God. Deists believe in a higher power, thus is a deistic God a theistic God.

Side: I Am Free.
Martinpoet(53) Clarified
1 point

Atheistic means unbelief in any God or deities of any religion.

Side: I Am Free.
shoutoutloud(4303) Clarified
1 point

Well thanks Mr. fucking obvious. You didn't answer my question though. I asked whether there is a atheistic God, I didn't ask ''what is atheism''

Side: I Am Free.
2 points

If you accept the equation god=love

Then the statement: "Either you are motivated by love or you are a slave to pleasure and pain"

this may help free you from all these idiotic notions about god.

Here's a tip. If you read, or are told really stupid stories about god...don't use them to shape your understanding of god.

Side: I Am Free.
Stryker(849) Clarified
1 point

How should we shape our understanding of a god?

Side: I Am Free.
atypican(4875) Clarified
1 point

In the words of Mr. Kravitz..."You'va gotta Let Love Rule"

Side: I Am Free.

in my opinion if god is what the bible says he is there would be no way he'd allow people to be tortured for eternity.. i know i'd feel bad for branding cattle and i'm not some all loving being, if this all loving being does allow people to be tortured just for not following his very strict rules then i'd say he's no better than a spiteful child who throws a tantrum because he didn't get his own way

Side: I Am Free.
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

God does not take delight in the destruction of the wicked; however, He is just and will destroy all evil, which is a good thing to do.

Side: Nope Still a Slave.
atypican(4875) Disputed
2 points

It's not characteristic of a loving parent to give up on their children. According to the stories you believe, isn't it true that once someone is condemned by this god you imagine, to this supposed place you call hell, that they still remain alive, but are tortured eternally? As I see it, a loving parent would only punish one of their children in order to teach them a lesson they could later benefit from. Do you disagree?

Side: I Am Free.
Paul_Tennant(184) Clarified
1 point

i never said he takes delight in it

and destroying evil would be fair enough but for having sex out of marriage or something like that.. are those people evil? and is he just for doing it to them?

Side: I Am Free.
1 point

I don't believe in destiny. I think that destiny is something created by some human with an inferiority complex to make themselves more significant than they actually are. At the same time i don't believe in god. I do not think god determines my life or my actions. If i make 'sins' so what? did someone come from hell or heaven and tell us that it exists? as far as i know we do not know what happens to us before we were born and after we die so why worry about the unknown? This life is all we know for sure exists so its enjoy it our way and together because were all in the same boat.

Side: I Am Free.

What is a theistic God?

Side: I Am Free.
1 point

A worshipped being that exists (at least imaginatively) .

Side: I Am Free.
Warjin(1577) Clarified
1 point

A theist believes there is a God who made and governs all creation.

Side: I Am Free.
Quocalimar(6470) Clarified
1 point

Atypician's definition helped more. I was initially under the impression that a theistic God was either one that worshiped Gods or it was just an English error.

Side: I Am Free.
1 point

O shit, Slaves are climbing, as of 7/20/13 3:38am score is Freemen-57/Slaves-52, come on slaves you can do it, show us who's boss...well slaves/bosses/slaves what ever, Slavebosses yeah that's it, you know what I mean, anyways, you can do it, do it for Jesus !!!

Side: I Am Free.
1 point

We don't know that the rules set by God are actually contradictory, all we have is man's interpretation which is were the contradictions come in, God's original rules might have been at all contradictory we don't know.

I know people are going to say I've posted on the wrong side but I posted over here because my beliefs do not enslave me.

Side: I Am Free.
1 point

My position is inconclusive and yet it does not make me an agnostic. I think that any conclusion regarding the concept God is premature in that there is no certainty if there is a God or no God. There is not even certainty that it is impossible to prove if there is an intelligent designer or not. The whole issue here is to make claims that are unqualified in a Scientific perspective and I think one needs to have a healthy Skepticism. God in this regard do not currently have such a rational qualification in a world of causation yet it may have a basis for fantasy,fiction and creativity. I am open to the God debate I am willing to listen to all philosophical positions but my criteria will be rational. I am siding with ' I am free ' faction for the following reasons:

1. The statement is antagonistic and fails as a polemic statement. It is a bit offending to those that are entitled to have different views and convictions relating to God. The ambiguous word 'f....k' is there for me to make an assumption that it is a swear word and it must not be necessary for me to make any assumption on a debate statement that must be clear. Inserting an emotional word in a statement that must start a rational debate is unreasonable and dooms such a constructive discussion from the beginning. It does not further the aim and noble attempts of atheism or humanism in anyway.

I am just sorry that the statement was constructed in such a way. It could have been a great debate.

Side: I Am Free.

Even a God would not be free from delusions and therefore suffering, I believe only a Tahagata an enlightened being is free from mental suffering so I take refuge in the Buddha to achieve that, even if a God were real it would not be able to give you guidance to attain enlightenment.

Side: I Am Free.
1 point

Who ever down voted me without submitting an argument was a coward

Side: Nope Still a Slave.
2 points

I rather be a slave to God then a slave to sin.

Side: Nope Still a Slave.
Warjin(1577) Disputed
3 points

I would rather burn in the fiery pits of hell then to submit to any dictator, the Theistic God is evil, fuck him, I spit on him and I hope he hates me as well.

Side: I Am Free.
Sitara(11080) Clarified
2 points

Prepare to be upset because God loves you. .

Side: I Am Free.
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

Okay suit yourself. You won't like it when you get there and I feel sad for you because you want to go to a horrible place that has no joy, sorrow, and there is constant pain and there is 100% conversion rate in hell because people already converted when it was too late. And those people who are in hell they will count back to the many times they should have accepted Christ into their life but they didn't .

God actually doesn't hate you because if He hated you He would have never died for our sins.

Side: Nope Still a Slave.
1 point

Give it some years, if I was a free man I would have laughed at your burning body.

Side: I Am Free.
Warjin(1577) Disputed
2 points

Oh Yeah your God created sin and evil so what's that make him, i'll tell ya, evil, so screw God

Side: I Am Free.
Srom(12206) Disputed
2 points

God didn't create sin or evil at all. All God did was create human beings and told them to not eat from the certain fruit and He gave them a warning that they would surely die if they did and they choose to eat from the fruit and so sin entered our world and that is how evil is here because of them not God.

God didn't create evil, He gave man over to this earth so as a result you see that in the past we have wars, slavery, racism, and other bad things as result of man's sin. So its not God's fault of all this its our fault. We caused all of this to happen.

Side: Nope Still a Slave.

Good statement

Side: Nope Still a Slave.
1 point

If I thought a god exists, and that god threatened to torture me forever, I would do everything he ever asked.

Side: Nope Still a Slave.
Warjin(1577) Clarified
1 point

Then that would make you a coward, Die with honor I say, that's just me though.

Side: I Am Free.
Stryker(849) Clarified
3 points

If you could die with honor and be done with it, sure, but get tortured forever just so you can be prideful, no think you. In the face of eternal torture I will cowardly kneel and get my tonsils tickled if that's what it takes.

Side: I Am Free.

i agree with you, if i thought the christian god existed and he was threatening me with eternal torture for not doing everything he said, i'd be like 'bring it on, big man'

Side: Nope Still a Slave.
1 point

Believe it or not, I think contradiction is necessary to a certain degree, and I think you inherently do too.

Freedom of speech isn't actually unrestricted. All of our freedoms have restrictions.

Side: Nope Still a Slave.
1 point

I love God and He loves me. I am willing to talk with you if you are upset though.

Side: Nope Still a Slave.
1 point

I wouldn't say F@*# to God or any god(s) because there would sure be hell to pay later on if they were true.

Side: Nope Still a Slave.

Of all my years following God I regret nothing and to this very moment I don't because He is the peace that passes all understanding. I am so blessed.

Side: Nope Still a Slave.
Warjin(1577) Disputed
1 point

Ignorance is bliss ,no really it is, not trying to be rude or fucked up to you, but it really is, I wish sometimes I had that type of conviction, it might bring me peace, but I can't I question everything and in many ways I regret it.

Side: I Am Free.
1 point

You continue what you are doing and listening to and I will to. I have my peace hopefully you will have yours through whatever it is.

Side: Nope Still a Slave.

No more than I am a slave to a friend.

Side: Nope Still a Slave.
1 point

You may be free in this world all you atheists and good for you. Yes, Christians are bond servants (slaves of God) but we still have freedom. I am not one of those emotional, music driven, ritualistic and self seeking Christians but won't let sin enslave me. The fact that Christianity is not popular is normal and makes me a more firm believer.

Side: Nope Still a Slave.
-1 points

Hey, genius: There's more than ONE theistic God.

And none of the others give a crap about you or what you believe in, so get over yourself. Maybe you shouldn't assume your belief is something so wanted in the first place.

Bam.

Side: Nope Still a Slave.