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F*ck being pro-choice. I'm pro-abortion (serious)
I don't view abortion as a necessary evil. I actually fucking love it. I want abortions to happen. I want the growth of the earth's rapidly expanding population, which is currently predicted to reach an unsustainable 9.7 billion by 2050, to be curbed. I don't want to pay taxes for the bastards born in to the socio-economic underclass of society who have unplanned pregnancies, especially teenage pregnancies that require government aid, especially seeing as we all know kids who are born like that grow up to be arseholes and don't contribute to society 99% of the time anyway. But most importantly, I love women being able to defy the patriarchy of the religitards and exercise bodily autonomy.
Agreed. The more the merrier when it comes to abortion. So far, only good things have come from it.................
>>Hundreds of thousands less unwanted kids born into what are almost always broken or dysfunctional homes. Where they almost always simply continue to be non-contributors to society.
>>A lower crime rate. This was proven statistically when the violent crime rate in US big cities dropped drastically during the 18th thru the 22nd years AFTER Roe v Wade was passed. See? All those abortions never got the chance (Hallelujah!) to grow up to be violent criminals.
>>More happy women free to better their lives without the burden of an unwanted child which would have bogged them down financially and kept them from bettering themselves.
"If lovin' Abortion is wrong, then baby....I don't wanna be Right!"
Really? You think the solution to being in a dysfunctional family is murder? People can come out of those situations. And like you said, it took 18 years after Roe vs. Wade for the crime rate to drop. 18 years!!! That's WAY after. Crime rates do go up and down. If it was to do with abortion it would have happened WAY earlier. And if woman don't want the baby then they shouldn't be having sex. Should woman have a right to kill fully grown children just because they are a “burden" or don't want them anymore? There is no reasonable excuse to murder innocent children who will most likely make a positive contribution to this world.
Although I prefer to express it in a more uhm... i guess sensitive way, I do agree with your principle.
Im not pro-abortion, but I do think overpopulation is an issue we should care very much about, and I honestly dont see the point of stopping people with unwanted pregnancies to give life to an unwanted child at the expense of another. I think we should deal with the children in poverty and hunger that are already here, instead of bringing more children into starvation.
I'm not enthusiastic about the perpetuation of life or humanity, so I ultimately land proximate to you and OP. But I'm going to push back a little on your argument, because you're more interesting than most to debate with here.
I think it's entirely plausible that a child who might otherwise have been aborted were it legal could nevertheless grow up being loved, feeling wanted, and in sufficiently comfortable socioeconomic conditions.
I'm also not convinced that most people who grew up feeling unwanted or in poverty would say they personally preferred not existing, so it doesn't seem like one could defend your position from their point of view and if we're defending it from our own I'm not sure why our view or preference is even relevant enough to be influential. Thoughts?
Thanks. And that makes more sense, although I'm not sure that ultimately works either.
For a start, my understanding is that resource poverty is an allocation problem, not actually a shortage issue. So reducing the number of people isn't likely to resolve the problem, particularly if we are talking about the effect on a global scale where, say, an abortion in the US is unlikely to affect someone's starving in Somalia.
It may not be a shortage issue now.. but like the description pointed out, we're heading towards 9 billion people. At the rate we're producing it is going to be a big problem.
People have been proclaiming this is an imminent crisis for hundreds of years now (basically since industrialization and globalization began). I haven't seen any compelling evidence or rationale to warrant this claim, though, just as has been the case for previous claims of like kind. If you think you have that evidence, then I'd love to see it; a mere reference to population size is entirely insufficient as it establishes nothing about that population in relation to resources.
Of course not, and I didn't even remotely suggest that. Go back and actually read what I wrote, because I'm not going to rewrite it if you aren't going to do me better than a blatant strawman.
Well if you don't believe that, and you know that the population is getting larger and larger by the minute, how can you not think this as a problem that even if it hasn't arrived yet won't ever arrive?
I already explained why I don't believe it's a problem: I haven't observed any evidence that suggests it presently is a problem, or that it will become one at the (seemingly arbitrary) population mark of 9 billion.
None of that remotely suggests I don't think it could ever become a problem. It does mean that I don't see problems where they aren't demonstrated to exist. And as the person advancing the claim that this problem is imminent, that's your burden of proof (one which you are notably dodging with the same strawman).
I misunderstood your original comment, then. But if there is no imminent component to your claim and you mean merely that it likely will become a problem at some unspecified point in the future, then suggesting legalized abortions as an immediate solution is insensible. Merely letting people get abortions isn't going to have any appreciable effect on larger demographic trends. (Hell, China had a one child policy and that maybe set back the trend by a few decades at most? That's the thing about exponential growth.) The only way your position made any sense to me was to think the threat was so imminent that we'd want to use every recourse possible. Now I don't understand it at all.
Abortion is both legal and free in Denmark, there are about 15,000 of them every year. Furthermore the danish youth is very educated on contraception, and could explain why we only have 1,65 child pr. woman. That is a negative birth rate.
The solution to overpopulation is to either wait for it to be a problem and deal with it then, or to recognize the odds of the problem arriving and deal with it the way we can now.
If you look at countries with the lowest population growth, the vast majority of them have legal abortion on request.
I also never said we wait until it's a problem and then deal with it, so there you go with the strawman again. I said this doesn't seem like a particularly effective solution since legal abortions concern such small numbers of people... like, 15k is completely negligible in the context of 9 billion. That countries with legal abortion also tend to have the lowest population growth is correlative; you'll need to actually establish causation for that to have any weight (particular as it could easily be attributed to other variables which could also account for abortion being legal... like education, secularism, etc.).
Just to clarify, I have no idea what a strawman is.
Okay, I will choose a larger context. Europe, around 740 million people.
Malta is the only nation in Europe that hasn't legalized abortion. Since it is one small very small nation of less than half a million people, I will give myself the privilege to ignore them in my following argument.
Northern Europe: 17 abortions pr 1000 women
Western Europe: 12 abortions pr 1000 women
Southern Europe: 18 abortions pr 1000 women
Results: European Union has an average birthrate of 1.58 live births pr 1000 women.
non EU European countries have negatives birth rates as well. Norway, 1.85 - Switzerland, 1.52.
Iceland has a positive birth rate though, 2.4 births pr 1000 women. But with their small population that will not change the overall negative average of Europe.
But I agree, it can very much be because of better education on the area. I know that some US states teach abstinence instead of actual sex education. I don't know if absitence is being taught in any European country though, but I doubt it. I tried to google, but couldn't find anything relevant.
Strawman is a logical fallacy. You can look it up, but basically I'm noting that you keep claiming I've argued things I've never even suggested while not addressing my actual point.
You cannot conclude the average birth rate from the data you have presented, because it is correlative and not causative. You haven't controlled for other variables. Quite simply, you can't draw the conclusion you want to from the limited data you've provided.
i have never liked the terms pro-choice or pro-life .choice should be available in everything .life is good when it is chosen .but abortion is often the best option for a couple who does not want to be parents .why ruin 3 lives when you can ruin 0 ?i am pro-abortion, meaning the option should always be available to those who want it .
As long as the fetus hasn't developed sentience, knock yourself out honestly. At what point a fetus or embryo has became sentient should be up to the experts (doctors), as they themselves should know better than anybody. That's why often it is illegal to have abortions after about 4 or 5 months within the pregnancy.
Actually no you can't because a non-sentient person is pretty much a corpse, you can't kill a corpse. I don't think you know what sentient means, sentient things are capable of thought and feelings, sentience is the difference between a being, and an inanimate object.
The fetus is not corpse as it is clearly growing and developing. When you kill the baby you are stopping it from growing and developing. If I put an inanimate object, let's say, on a plate and just leave it there it will just stay there and nothing will happen. But it is a completely different case with a fetus because it is alive.
While it is not quite a corpse, or an inanimate object it hasn't developed much sentience either, it is like that of a plant, technically alive, but not thinking, nor feeling. A being hasn't really came into existence yet.
but fetuses and embryos can't. What is a human? If you want to say genetics make you human, finger nails are human, hair is human, corpses are human. On the contrary I think it is more reasonable to value human beings of which fetuses and embryos are not.
Fear not. Trump is loading Washington up with retired Generals. He will, in the near future, reduce the population to stone age levels (or less), with an enormous "AFTER - BIRTH ABORTION"! (serious)!
I can't believe you support murder! Murder is not a solution to an increasing population! I pray that God will fill your heart and you will understand how horribly wrong abortion us and always will be.
And hell, if they're are aborted in the 1st Trimester they're not even fucking fetuses, but rather, only embryos, the size of your thumb and with no brain capable of experiencing pain or suffering.
Yawn. We have gone through all this before. Ad nauseum.
And besides, if you follow the claptrap about Original Sin and The Fall that the religious zealots spew, then those fetuses are not innocent either, right? Being they are condemned like all of us since that greedy bitch Eve had to scarf the apple in the garden.
LOL
Jeez....I feel my brain cells dying whenever I type bible quotes. How people can honestly believe in that shit I will never for the life of my understand.
Oh dear it's you again , every time you type it's something only a dim wit like you could come up with :)
You're against abortion but you're ok with your God doing it are you ?
Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.
You truly need to read your bible .... hint ... The bible is a book which is supposedly the word of god , Christians let on to read it but most atheists have read it that's why airheads like you get schooled every time :)
There were 4 Nations God commanded this. They were nations that had been currupted in seed. The were currupted with seed of fallen angels and they were giants and canabalism was common. Many signs of giants are found from bones to stories from out of other civilizations. The Bible says fallen angels taught spells and mixtures and other things.
And God was strict on keeping onevblood line pure.
Now color of skin God does not identify in genticide, He did name specific nations, and it was due to currupred seed resulting in giants and evil. If He hadnt we would have had the whole human race effected and there would not have been a pure race for salvation to come.
And the hopelessness of man would have been entire without Salvation. The why and the method are judicial, logical, and reasonable.
This is the hopelessness and brokenness of man, "to dust you will return" The brokeness of man is to be disembodied at death to wander in hoplessness in the dark.
God also prewrites history. He tells of the things of this fallen world. Judgment and curses, outside of blessing are curses.
God loves but its not love like maple syrup.
1st He knows the end already.
And being evil and spending eternity in fire, this will sound cruel but mans discomfort is of their own making. He knew the evil and good.
Here is the scenario the whole world is on track to be destroyed and God is the engineer, He is going to rescue His own so they spend eternity with Him. The comfort of the evil was not a motivation for God. He didnt stop the world and salvation for the benefit of all His children from Adam till the end.
So I suppose God could have scrapped it, but basic time travel, then what about all His that would come out of it.
So the eternal comfort of the evil was not an acceptable trade off for the presence and comfort and inheritance of His children He rescues out of the world.
He already let the train hit Jesus for the world. Its their choice if they want to stay on the track and be hit after He had the train hit Jesus. He is not interested in the comfort of the wicked, only in the inheritance of the righteous.
The god of this world presents himself many ways.
Inquisitions, Holocost, Islam Allah and Mohommad, violence curruption and murder even to the baby who should be safe in a mother.
Its time for Him to come and make the world His Kingdom.
Everything is predesigned and prewritten to that ultimate end.
The wicked, He gives opportunies, and sun shine on both the good and the wicked, but rmthe wicked are pawns to complete us throughout history even till the end!
Again there is no argument here because you cant have one that actually makes sense to reasonable minds.
The differences between His children and swine, for one is a reasonable, logical, just, fair, and right mind. The mind of Christ, and Spirit of Christ, eyes of understanding, and ears to hear.
Fyi - your eyes can play tricks on you, but understanding is not easily tricked or dismissed.
It is His marking preserving us through it all. Just like the angel of death in Egypt and the blood of the lamb on the door posts.
The beast mind has been given to the wicked, they even slaughter their own seed. Continuously evil just like the days of Noah.
Two things present prior to the Great Flood, violence every thought, and currupted seed as same as actions of fallen angels.
The Bible literally discusses genetic minipulations prior to the Great Flood.
Hasn't man chased that. The most evil have.
Weird huh?
And that being the reason to wipe out some of those nations. Isnt it weird some of the most evil men also chased genetic minipulation, like Hitler for example.
And now, how many are minipulating genetics choosing characteristics like a shopping list. Our food is poisoned from it. Montesano greed etc...
Man mixes seeds and kill themselves and destroys nature with gmos and the rest of their genetic engineering. They are violent continuously, every thought. They kill for convenience and a dollar!
Well isnt every thought posted on line showing their continuous violent hearts and minds?
1st of all like I said all things are for Him and His own , for His purpose. What is a lifetime in eternity?
Egypt was not His children, and the ruler enslaved and Egypt was brutally treating His people.
God showed the evil of man. Pharoah endured horrible things to his people, till God took his son, and the sons of Egypt.
Didnt Pharoah who this Pharoah was also like, didnt he lill all the sons of the Hebrews, while they were already down and enslaved?
By what judgment you execute the same will be brought to you.
How many slaves suffered and were beaten and killed. How many babies ripped from the loving arms of their mothers were murdered. Innocent children who could not fight back?
Also Egypt is a picture of the world, all born once into the world are born perishing. By the death of our old lives in Egypt, we are born into freedom in His Kingdom.
Thats why the 1st generation fell in the wilderness. It was disobedience they were not worthy to go all the way in. So their children did.
Also the main point of the story is the angel of death taking the sons of the world in death. Because born once without faith all die, as in following Cain the dead son of Adam. Dead in sin and of the world. Cain a murderer of Abel, who was pleasing to God. And then Csin built a city in his sons name, so its a picture of two opposite kingdom.
Really everything is connected. Its one consistent message by one author, Jesus. Jesus is in every story, telling of Him.
I told you I'm fine with you admitting god is an abortionist and you totally supporting him in his efforts ; so why are you still arguing I've asked you this now 12 times
This is why your a waste of time. I hope another benefits from this post.
Your debate style is to take something out of context then force a debate on the wrong page. Ive explained the context both in within the story and in the overall context of what God is purposed on. Your makeing a statement and forming as though there should be a debate response. Thats rude, and also not standard for mature developed debate, do not engage me with this nonsense in this manner again. I wont waste my time on your festering and slithering if you love darkness and demons its your choice but I am not interested and its not entertaining.
Its noise torture its clanging without content.
Fyi that is called a strawman argument. Save those arguments for someone else, your so foolish you make my head hurt!
God is an abortionist it's in YOUR bible in HIS words ....
I told you I'm fine with you admitting god is an abortionist and you totally supporting him in his efforts ; so why are you still arguing I've asked you this now 12 times
I told you I'm fine with you admitting god is an abortionist and you totally supporting him in his efforts ; so why are you still arguing I've asked you this now 12 times
So self important, so exalted even above all creation of God.
You not only worship randomness, and make nothingness your creator, your insults to God have no end!
Then you defy His most innocent of all Creation, children murdered randomly like the god you worship!
You don't know who they are, they are faceless to you, but not to God. He knows them each one. He knew them since before they were knit in the womb. He knew He would avenge their blood, and they enter Life, while you enter death.
So why do you all act shocked at God's judgement like you are all innocent you all praise the murderers of cops, you praise the aborters, you applaud violence, and you all scream loudly just like the day of Jesus trial, you all scream "release Barabbas"
it's like a video replay. This evil generation will be destroyed Luke 17 and Matt 24. This is the generation Jesus spoke of.
As Cain, who killed the innocent, why, because he was not pleasing and the innocent was pleasing.
I told you already I've no problem with god ordering abortion you've admitted it's fine once god is doing it ... so why you arguing ?
Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for
Answer: idolotry and the influence of this group was aggressive.
And would have hindered the work God is doing for the purpose of His own.
The problem in thought is the unawareness of life in time compared to eternity.
When God execures judgment He already knows the heart in the end. All things are used for His purpose.
You are either a tool and a vessel for dishonor, whose end is with the wicked. Or you are a child beloved and cared for and even in martyrdom life eternal overcomes death anyway.
Our lives are a breath in eternity.
But ONLY He can execute judgment. Only He is truth in justice knowing all things down to the heart and even intention and thought. So we are not able to execute judgment of death.
We can be lead into just war for His purpose, as Israel was. Two examples of war sactioned by God to make right. Civil War and Ww2.
Keep in mind, God knows those who are His.
All others are already dead, God uses this reality to implement His purpose for the BENEFIT OF HIS OWN! Not for the benefit of those in the world.
Q. Why would God command the Israelites to kill Midianite children and women such as found in Numbers 31:17?
This seems barbaric, primitive and cruel to me.
Baby Bomb Belts
To the Western mind this seems like a harsh command. Perhaps the closest we can come to understanding it is to look at those babies born to terrorists who are trained from infancy to wear bomb belts and to hate and murder the Jews.
These children do not grow up in innocence. They are taught to be murderers from the time they can talk and walk. It is difficult to retrain groups of people who are brainwashed to do evil so early in life.
Q. Why would God command the Israelites to kill Midianite children and women such as found in Numbers 31:17?
This seems barbaric, primitive and cruel to me.
Baby Bomb Belts
To the Western mind this seems like a harsh command. Perhaps the closest we can come to understanding it is to look at those babies born to terrorists who are trained from infancy to wear bomb belts and to hate and murder the Jews.
These children do not grow up in innocence. They are taught to be murderers from the time they can talk and walk. It is difficult to retrain groups of people who are brainwashed to do evil so early in life.
I keep telling you yes , i get it you're agreeing abortion is right once god is doing or commanding it , so you're for abortion after all that's ok at least you admit it now .
Funny how you say god does this because future children may become terrorists , so god is killing babies to stop them becoming terrorists ?
So why didn't he stop Hitler or Stalin by killing them ?
FYI These are murders, blood spilt calls from the ground just like Abel's, and the babies murdered in Egypt and Bethlehem, and just like the Saints martyred. Revelations takes note of them all. This is blood crying to God for vengeance. All who do not wash their garments in the Savior, will be judged from the murderer to those who give approval to them! Murder in your heart is the same as the one who murders.
Luke 1:15
For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother’s womb.
Luke 1:41
When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.Luke 1:44
For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy.
Luke 2:21
[ Jesus Presented at the Temple ] And when eight days had passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb.
Hosea 12:3
In the womb he took his brother by the heel, And in his maturity he contended with God.
Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Isaiah 49:5
And now says the Lord, who formed Me from the womb to be His Servant, To bring Jacob back to Him, so that Israel might be gathered to Him (For I am honored in the sight of the Lord, And My God is My strength),
Job 31:15
“Did not He who made me in the womb make him, And the same one fashion us in the womb?
Judges 16:17
So he told her all that was in his heart and said to her, “A razor has never come on my head, for I have been a Nazirite to God from my mother’s womb. If I am shaved, then my strength will leave me and I will become weak and be like any other man.”
Genesis 25:23
The Lord said to her, “Two nations are in your womb; And two peoples will be separated from your body; And one people shall be stronger than the other; And the older shall serve the younger.”
Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for
All is explained. You dont know it because your interested in pulling things out of context. The Bible is one as He is one.
The Bible is as one word and is an unbroken string.
There isnt any inconsistencies or contradictions. Except for the ones that seem to be, but are not. Tripping the wise, hiding His ways, not disclosing His strategies.
He says they are pearls, and He doesnt "throw pearls before swine," or feed the wicked the "children's bread."
He clearly states from the beginning the perplexing to the wicked He and His word and His wisdom would be. "The natural mind does not understand spiritual things, its not even able to."
100% are perishing. God is God and He knows the end.
He already knows Hitler and Pharoah and abortion and terrorism and war of man. His whole thing are for those who are His.
And judgment is reserved for pawns of evil, and the evidence will be stacked up against the evil and they hang themselves!
You as man do not know the end, nor are you righteous enough to judge, He is truth, His judgment just.
So among the babies murdered by what justice do YOU judge? The innocent blood spilled will be on your hands for your hearty approval, and the judgment of worthlessness will be your sentencing. As you judge is the measure of judgment you will reap.
Yes I told you I get it , it's ok for your god to command abortion you're the one who seems to have a problem with abortion ... god is ok with it so are you once god dies it .... so why are you arguing ?
How can purpose of nations be declared on a fetus, if the fetus isn't looked at as an individual?
Genesis 25:23
The Lord said to her, “Two nations are in your womb; And two peoples will be separated from your body; And one people shall be stronger than the other; And the older shall serve the younger.”
Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for
And besides, if you follow the claptrap about Original Sin and The Fall that the religious zealots spew, then those fetuses are not innocent either, right? Being they are condemned like all of us since that greedy bitch Eve had to scarf the apple in the garden.
Not everyone is condemned. Only those who are of Christ aren't condemned. Those aborted human beings have the potential to not be condemned anyway.
Jeez....I feel my brain cells dying whenever I type bible quotes. How people can honestly believe in that shit I will never for the life of my understand.
You didn't even type a bible quote lol. People believe in it because it's changed their lives, and I know why people choose not to believe and all of the reasons that I've heard are just excuses.
1. When someone didn't do anything wrong. Life is valuable because we are all bear the image of our Creator, and thus there is more to this life than just living in it.
2. Moral obligation comes from God. Apart from God, you're only creating your own set of morals but with no foundation to stand on.
1. These two statements don't make sense together to me. If the value of life comes from our bearing the image of the Creator, then shouldn't innocence be irrelevant?
2. How do you, or any other person, know what morals God possesses? Presumably from the Bible, but everyone seems to have their own particular interpretation of it and I don't know how any of you knows that your version is the correct one. Seems a lot like you're making up your own morality and calling it your God's.
2. We know what morals God possesses by the actions of Jesus Christ and how He loved His enemies, and bled on a cross to die for them. A lot of the versions of the Bible are basically all the same and are worded differently, but still correct as it doesn't tamper what the message of the Bible is saying. I'm not really making up my own morality and calling it God's. I'm actually just following what was recorded in history.
1. You said that the value of life comes from our being made in the image of God. If that's true, then we're all in God's image so our lives should all have value, regardless of whether we are innocent or not. Innocence shouldn't factor in, because even those who aren't innocent are still in God's image.
2. That history is actually fairly ambiguous and contested, as I understand it. There doesn't seem to be a single interpretation of the limited historical record any more than there is a single interpretation of the Bible. I don't see how anyone can't bring their own interpretations to either the history or the text; we're psychologically not capable of it under any other circumstance, so why would this be an exception?
"I want the growth of the earth's rapidly expanding population, which is currently predicted to reach an unsustainable 9.7 billion by 2050, to be curbed. I don't want to pay taxes for the bastards born in to the socio-economic underclass of society who have unplanned pregnancies, especially teenage pregnancies that require government aid, especially seeing as we all know kids who are born like that grow up to be arseholes and don't contribute to society 99% of the time anyway. But most importantly, I love women being able to defy the patriarchy of the religitards and exercise bodily autonomy."
I feel for you when God charges you with their blood spilled.
There are degrees of suffering reserved for you. And you self declare it on your own head.
Genesis 4
15 So the Lord said to him, “Therefore whoever kills Cain, vengeance will be taken on him sevenfold.” And the Lord appointed a sign for Cain, so that no one finding him would slay him.
16 Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
Cains 6th generation (man was made on day 6, Lamech doubles violence and is judge by math of exponential proportions! Maybe a connection?)
Genesis 4
19 Lamech took to himself two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other, Zillah.
20 Adah gave birth to Jabal; he was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock.
21 His brother’s name was Jubal; he was the father of all those who play the lyre and pipe.
22 As for Zillah, she also gave birth to Tubal-cain, the forger of all implements of bronze and iron; and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.
23 Lamech said to his wives,
“Adah and Zillah,
Listen to my voice,
You wives of Lamech,
Give heed to my speech,
For I have killed a man for wounding me;
And a boy for striking me;
24 If Cain is avenged sevenfold,
Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold.”
By measure of judgment you dish out, that is what you can expect in return!
Well, shit...I gotta admit that if anybody knew a shit-load about spilling blood it would be your Yahweh. Given the millions of innocents he has killed, or allowed to be murdered or raped.
So yeah, sweet pants, nice reference there! Good job. Pure gold! LOL
I see you ban when you realize your arguments are lame.
I guess you fear truth shining next to your darkness.
I get it those who love darkness cower away from light.
You are correct. He is going to judge and death penalty given!
God is truth, He is the only Judge who is all knowing and fair. He even knows the intent, and judges intention as well as crime.
He is going to judge and death penalty given!
And He will avenge all spilled blood that was spilled unjustly!
Like in babies, and Christians, and the Jews, and every unjust act will be judged by just measure, His measure. He will judge all body and soul!
Jesus purchased all the worlds dust from under judgement. Those born into slavery of judgment who chose a life under judgment, will receive a 2nd death. Its not double jeopardy, its fullfillment of sentencing, and also judgment for all crimes committed under slavery. Because they did not wash themselves, be born again, and made free in Him. They choose old death not new life.
In the end all will be joined with their dust.
And some will be like clean new clothes ready for a wedding feast. And others will be putting on filthy rags from stains of the world without cleansing.
That is the reality. The violence and blood shed is the heart of man. As beings who have eternal existence of soul, you see as man sees. God knows all those who lose their heads, He will reassemble them. And make them whole. Body and soul together, with a body raised and changed to be like Jesus. We will be like Him.
The brokenness of "death" was separation from God, and also "dust you shall return" hopeless man separated from clothing of a body. Jesus came to heal us and make us whole.
The question, when He returns to you your body of clothing, will those clothes be appropriate for His wedding feast, or will they be filthy rags in His sight?
Will they be white as snow cleansed by Jesus, or will they be dingy stained tattered rags not worthy of Him?
Knowing and understanding the choices we make describes the difference between being ruled by the heart and ruled by reason. So, you are Pro-confession? What does your heart tell you about this confession we are making?
When a woman is able to defy and actual displays independence with a declaration that doesn’t incriminate others by using a confession I would consider the claim of autonomy.
Knowing a man’s place to assume a command only long enough to offer an ability to relieve a person from a patriarchy. I’m all for pro-choice, Gender Specific Amputation or Abortion what’s your choice?
