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Debate Score:48
Arguments:25
Total Votes:55
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Gay guys are better babysitters than Catholic Priests

Totally true

Side Score: 25
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So not true

Side Score: 23
3 points

Gay guys aren't repressed like Catholic Priests.

They want a grown ass man, or a pixie. They don't need to molest children.

Chances are that either would make a fine babysitter. But I'm going to support this side, because I feel this debate is directed at the myth that child molesters are gay.

Side: Totally true
2 points

This is a great documentary about the Catholic molestation scandal

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0814075/

you guys are wrong about girls not being molested and also many molesters who prey on boys are not gay

Side: Totally true
Pineapple(1448) Disputed
1 point

You can't use a documentary as a heavy argument, nor should you automatically accept it as truth. It's a movie. It has a bias to make money, and they capitalize on conspiracy.

I doubt that the Catholic church would allow that again. To protect the reputation of the church they have learned that they must denounce the wrongful doing.

Side: Totally true
PungSviti(552) Disputed
1 point

Im just pointing the movie out to ya if you might be interested. I know some documentary´s are very biased, but this one came out after all the court cases and major media attention. In it the priest who was the molester along with others is interviewed and the facts of the case are not disputed at all (not so that I have seen) The movie even won an Oscar :)

Its not like Im using an Alex Jones documentary about the Illuminati as an argument here

Like I said the facts of the case have been reported by numerous sources. The movie is just a good place to get in all in one package

Side: So not true

A gay baby sitter will decorate your house, give your kids a fabulous hair cut, impart upon them a sense of style, clean up and cook a wonderful dinner ;)

Side: Totally true
1 point

I obviously would say yeah for many reasons:

a: lesser change of my children learning stupid stuff and creative history

b: Kids get used to the Idea that people are varied

c: Most gay people dont have kids, so they have more money to buy cool stuff that the kids can play with.

d: lesser chance of my kid getting molested

Side: Totally true

As a non-religious person, I'd rather have a gay guy babysitting my kid than one who may true to influence him/her religiously.

Side: Totally true
6 points

A very small percentage of priests are pedophiles, This is obvious anti-Catholic and makes unfounded claims and is very offensive. Just because a few priests f-ed up does not mean that all Catholic priests are pedophiles. There are many non catholic ministers that are pedophiles that no one hears about because being Catholic is a grave offense to those who have a low moral standard.

Side: So not true
PungSviti(552) Disputed
2 points

well very small percentage of Al-kaida members are suicide bombers too.

Look at the documentary I recomended. The shamefull thing that the Catholic church as a whole did was to try to silence the issue and would always move the molester to a new church and silence the victims and victims family´s which only gave the molester free reign and resulted in him molesting over 130 victims.

I can understand that people find this very offensive but that is because we have grown accustomed to the church being holier then thou and it has been a taboo to point out its sick customs and unnatural position against sexual behavior (abstinence) which most likely caused this.

Side: Totally true
3 points

Child molestation has nothing to do with abstinence or being gay. A pedophile or child molester are mentally challenged individuals not necessarily a priest or a gay guy. People from all walks of life can be stricken with this mental anomaly.

Side: So not true
Tugman(749) Disputed
1 point

The Bishop that did that is at fault but no the whole Catholic Church. Any priests that molest children should be given to the proper authorities and punished. Attacking all Catholicpriests because of a few bad apples is bad because it results in false stereo types which causes histeria and hate for no reason.

Side: So not true
Pineapple(1448) Disputed
1 point

Tugman is correct, it is a very small percentage of priests. You can't use a documentary as a heavy argument, nor should you automatically accept it as truth. It's a movie. It has a bias to make money, and they capitalize on conspiracy.

I doubt that the Catholic church would allow that again. To protect the reputation of the church they have learned that they must denounce the wrongful doing.

Side: Totally true

Absolutely not - Roman Catholics who are not Gay would never molest a little boy.

Side: So not true

Children have no real understanding of sexual identity, even if they were exposed to visual sexual content and or even physically molested, they still would never understand until they were matured and at the age of puberty.

Children have questions about why they have different body parts from the opposite sex but that is as far as it goes..

I believe that many people who are Liberal Democrats and the Catholislamic religions that are made up of mostly Liberal Democrat voters have been harmful to little children regarding their sexuality.

With Liberal Democrat they spend millions of dollars building great campaign propagandizing the idea that little children can know if they are Transgender or Gay / Homosexual / Female gender or male at a very, very early age. They set up programs and laws and mandates in order to cause a breakdown in their Conservative Republican political opponents and in the family structure and family unit, to attack the system by enacting and exaggerating the idea that children are being neglected and disrespected sexually because children have knowledge of their sexual preference and pre-knowledge about their gender and sexuality but the political opponents { Conservatives / Republicans } somehow have not accommodated the children's sexual needs.

The Liberal Democrats acts if a little child knows something about their sexual identity and the Liberal Democrats also acts as if THEY know something about the child's sexual identity.

But when a religious man molests a little boy, suddenly all of the Liberal Democrat fantasy and role-playing and - projection that they project onto the little children suddenly goes out the door and the Liberal Democrat finger ONLY points at the religion itself, instead of the homosexual lust that the adult male is forcing onto the male child.

Suddenly the child has no sexuality and awareness of His gender because He is suddenly too young and the religious person who molested the child also has no understanding about the sexual identity of the Child. HERE THE FINGERS are always pointed to the religion = They pretend that a priest or religious homosexual man who hides His homosexuality to keep His religious status and job is somehow deserving a special privilege or a right that He deserves giving Him an exclusive right to His privacy about the fact that HE is a homosexual who is attracted to little boys. The Liberal Democrat demands that the religious child molester is exclusively, suddenly somehow been rendered as unable to understand anything about the Child’s male gender..

Which all makes it a Non-Homosexual act because the gay priest denies that He is gay.

And Roman Catholics also play along pretending that the man is simply confused or mentally unstable instead of acknowledging that He is a homosexual.

Liberal Democrats demand that sex act involving a man and a little boy is somehow suddenly not a homosexual act committed by the adult when the man is a part of a religion.

And the child molester’s sexuality is hidden in concealment, confidentiality, isolation, retreat and privacy and confusion and unfamiliarity because He is too religious to be a real homosexual even in eyes of the Roman Catholics around Him. We see that Catholics, Muslims and Liberal Democrats and Atheists have aligned themselves against The Bible and Christians and Conservatives as they ignore the differences between themselves. The core of their very perverted goals that are goals that attempt to destroy the Bible Believing Christians.

This same overpowering force is what unites them against The Truth and God.

The goal is to hide the fact that rape of children destroys their sexuality and is harmful and manipulating and controlling = as Catholics, Muslims and Liberal Democrats and Atheists all use this as a tool to control and maintain power and manipulation as also Muslims follow Mohammad who raped a nine-year-old little child. Mohammad knew full and well the sexual gender of the little female child that he molested.

Liberal Democrat and Roman Catholics have no problem with this at all. ROMAN CATHOLICS kiss the Quran and pray with Muslims facing Mecca and defend Islam and this molestation and rape event is easily forgotten and put behind them, As long as Catholics continue to play along and remain silent and complicit and ROLE PLAY assimilate and cooperate with the Liberal Democrat that the fantasy that all adult male on boy sexual rape or molestation encounters are not of a homosexual nature and pretend that the Priests homosexuality has nothing to do with it. then Roman Catholics will always be the darling of the left and Muslims will always be the contact and lens and example that the Left will use to represent the Biblical marriage of Abraham.

American Liberals simply love and use and abuse the sexual manipulation that molesting children causes and Roman Catholics, Muslims and Liberal Democrats are ok with being deeply and diversely and variously involved in sexually confusing children and the negativity and mental abuse and confusion and spiritual DESTRUCTION it has upon them and the Bible Believing, Conservative Families, Ideas, Principles and Religious natures from the Bible.

As they cover and hide the fact that the molester is in fact a homosexual or Bi Sexual.. The door is always left open as the molester can never be profiled or identified as anything but a RELIGIOUS MAN. As the Democrat Party spends millions of dollars building great campaigns propagandizing the idea that little children and adults can know if children are Transgender or Gay / Homosexual / Female gender or male at a very, very early age. But when a gay man knows that the boy is a male gender and is trying to force a FEMALE GENDER on the boy suddenly it is not really sexual but an act of an attraction to the innocence, pureness and unawareness and confusion and ignorance of little child, to the enjoyment of the man who is actually in FACT, a homosexual or a Bi sexual or both.

Please join me in understanding these facts and help to educate children about family values before they are taught to pervert that which does not yet exist in their under developed and growing identity.

Side: So not true
-1 points

Guys who molest little boys are ALWAYS gay... Catholic Priest or not.

and there has been one case of a Catholic Priest molesting a little girl. But as for baby sitter... well, let's see:

If it's a girl, then i'll let it be a gay guy. If it's a boy, it won't matter either way.

99.9% of boy molesters (who were male) are not Catholic Priests. So it's actually less likely.

Side: So not true
Pineapple(1448) Disputed
4 points

http://www.springerlink.com/content/tr7388256l7437xh/

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/94/1/41

According to these studies, guys who molest little boys are ALWAYS STRAIGHT

I would think that priests molest children due to sexual repression. Like a man (or woman) in prison who forms a homosexual relationship with another inmate.

My opinion is also that priests pick males because it is more socially acceptable for them to be alone with the boys, than the girls. So molesting the alter boy is easier than finding a way to molest a girl.

"They're all the same at that age."

-Child Molester, Law and Order: SVU

Side: Totally true
ThePyg(6743) Disputed
1 point

the problem with these studies is that homosexuality can only be determined by the actions of the person, not by their "claims".

they can claim they're straight, but their actions (molesting males) says otherwise.

Side: So not true
1 point

I kinda agreed with your argument until:

99.9% of boy molesters (who were male) are not Catholic Priests. So it's actually less likely.

If you're going to justify your argument using statistics then at least use the right ones. If your going to argue that it's safer for priests to babysit kids then you'd need the percentage of priests that are child molesters, not the percentage of child molesters that are priests.

That would be like me saying, only a small percentage of murderers belong to al-Qaeda, therefore it would be safer to hire someone from al-Qaeda to babysit my kids.

(Note: I'm not comparing priests to al-Qaeda, I'm just giving an example)

My own opinion is that you'd be pretty safe with either one...unless you count the mental damage done when the kids are guilt tripped by the priest.

Side: Totally true
Pineapple(1448) Disputed
3 points

89% of statistics are made up on the spot.

His entire 'argument' was an opinion, and is completely contradicted by real statistics.

Side: So not true