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Mental disorder Not disorder
Debate Score:140
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Total Votes:149
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Gay man says homosexuality a mental disorder? Is he right or wrong?

Milo, a gay man, says homosexuality is a mental disorder, and that "he wants to be cured".

https://youtu.be/YgoyQevEhhQ

Mental disorder

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Side: Mental disorder
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

He didn't say it was a mental disorder. Only a liberal would try to claim Milo said something like that to make him look bad.

Side: Not disorder
2 points

Milo is a gay conservative Trump supporter. And he isn't alone. Research is your friend Cartman.

Side: Mental disorder

Who am I to argue with a gay man who says being gay isn't genetic but mental and a choice? Thus, I must concede to his claim. Being gay is a choice.

Side: Mental disorder
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

He didn't say that. He made it very clear that it wasn't a choice. He also admitted that it was in part genetic.

Side: Not disorder
1 point

You left out that he said "we were born this way is a lie". And you left out "it's a matter of nurture, not nature, and you did it on purpose. You used a deceptive tactic.

Side: Mental disorder
ironskillet(220) Disputed
1 point

If Milo believes that being gay is bad, and also believes that he could choose to not be gay, then why does he chose to be gay?

Where in the video does he argue that being gay is a choice? He says that it's mostly nurture, not nature, which implies that it's not a choice, as it's decided by your environment.

Both of your claims are completely unfounded.

Side: Not disorder
1 point

Not really. The Bible is clear that if you mess up a child sexually, you will face the judgement. It is also clear on what the effects are upon the next generations.

Side: Mental disorder
pirateelfdog(2655) Clarified
1 point

Even if a gay man did say that (which Milo did not), other gay men have said otherwise. Who are you to argue with them?

Side: Mental disorder
1 point

Quote what Milo said ver batum. I will copy and paste his quotes and yours in a thread. Go ahead.

Side: Mental disorder
1 point

I think it is a mental illness, and it used to be classified in the DSM..............................................

Side: Mental disorder
1 point

I am bisexual and I do believe it is a mental disorder. However I do not believe that is a bad thing just as a sociopath also has a mental disorder but they have done nothing inherently wrong their brain simply operates differently.

Side: Mental disorder

Homosexuality is a mental disorder. If you think the square peg goes into the round hole? Well... you are mentally jacked.

Side: Mental disorder
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

If you have a square penis that is something your doctor should check out.

Side: Not disorder
Maitrayee(6) Disputed
1 point

Just because heterosexuals are more in number at present, you cannot categorize homosexuals as mentally ill. I am a heterosexual being, and I do not believe homosexuality is any disorder. And adding to that, homosexuality is a feeling whereas trying to match square peg with round hole isn't, both are controlled by two different parts of the brain, and thus cannot be compared on this ground.

Side: Not disorder
1 point

So which art of the brain causes beastiality and is beastiality okay?

Side: Mental disorder
1 point

Homosexuality is a mental disorder. If you think the square peg goes into the round hole?

If gay sex didn't work, you'd think gay people would have realized by now.

Side: Not disorder
1 point

If raping children was wrong, you'd think pedophiles would have realized the difference by now....

Side: Mental disorder
2 points

Oh, the beautiful irony of saying "homosexuality is a choice, not natural" and then saying "I wish I wasn't gay".

Side: Not disorder
0 points

Oh the irony of a soldier saying post traumatic stress disorder isn't a choice, then saying he wished he didn't have post traumatic stress disorder.

Side: Mental disorder
Mint_tea(4061) Disputed
2 points

Oh the irony of a soldier saying post traumatic stress disorder isn't a choice, then saying he wished he didn't have post traumatic stress disorder.

PTSD isn't a choice, thus he could wish he didn't have it. As opposed to saying being gay IS a choice then lamenting he wishes he wasn't. Well if it IS a choice, then he could choose not to be.

Side: Not disorder
NicolasCage(506) Disputed
1 point

I was going to dispute you, but mint tea explained things perfectly. Thank you mint tea!

Side: Not disorder

Well, you-tube is one unreliable resource. And is this guy every gay person? If not than he does not speak for everyone. And also science is actually breaking through proving that homosexuals brains are wired differently.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/111663.php

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/study-says-brains-of-gay/

Side: Not disorder
Amarel(4987) Clarified
2 points

People with disorders actually have brains that are wired differently, so that's not a very good argument. Also, environmental circumstances can wire and re-wire the brain. Theoretically, a person could start off not being gay, become gay, and as a result, present a homosexual brain upon examination.

The argument that Cartman made, where the gay guy doesn't actually say what is supposed, is pretty solid though.

Side: Mental disorder
1 point

Milo himself says, and I quote,"We are born this way was a myth created by the left". Mic drop.

https://youtu.be/_QwWtavkAvE

Side: Mental disorder
2 points

The same science says alcoholics pedophiles, murderers, and rapists' brains are wired differently. Thus, by your logic, everyone you challenge on any issue can say "hey, my brain is wired different, thus you can't challenge me." I'm a conservative because? My brain is wired differently. This guy molests children because? His brain is wired differently. There are cases of "gay men" choosing to be straight. It's all walls of excuses heaped on more excuses. You are being an enabler rather than facing the problem. Is it any coincidence that this is the "gayest generation" in history? Nope. Liberals are encouraging it and giving it attention, thus it keeps growing as a means to get pity and attention, and acceptance when you can't get it elsewhere.

Side: Mental disorder

Being gay has gotten people onto the top of the liberal oppression olympics where being the most oppressed gets you the most virtue. That's why so many people say "hey, I'm gay." It's getting them the liberal virtue trophy and a feeling of community with acceptance. Doesn't make in any less wrong though.

Side: Mental disorder
ironskillet(220) Disputed
1 point

"The same science says alcoholics pedophiles, murderers, and rapists' brains are wired differently. Thus, by your logic, everyone you challenge on any issue can say "hey, my brain is wired different, thus you can't challenge me." I'm a conservative because? My brain is wired differently."

Saying a brain is wired differently does not mean it's okay to do something. While it is correct that you can't challenge a person on the basis that their brain is wired differently, you CAN challenge them if their actions are doing harm- as in the case of a pedophile and a rapist.

For a gay person, we're simply saying that it's not really a choice to be gay. In this case, there's not much to challenge in terms of the act, as it does no harm- gay consensual private sex doesn't harm anyone.

"Is it any coincidence that this is the 'gayest generation' in history? Nope. Liberals are encouraging it and giving it attention, thus it keeps growing as a means to get pity and attention, and acceptance when you can't get it elsewhere."

It's not a coincidence at all. I don't doubt that some people will claim to be gay to get attention, but that's just a natural side effect of over-glorifying homosexuality, which does unfortunately happen. However, you can't attribute the growing gay population to just this. It's important to keep in mind that as being gay becomes more accepted, less gay people are staying in the closet, as they no longer have to fear being rejected by society, or in extreme cases, being harmed.

Side: Not disorder
1 point

Watch the video. He didn't actually say it was a mental disorder. He just said he would rather be straight.

Side: Not disorder
1 point

You left out that he said "we were born this way is a lie" and "it's a matter of nurture, not nature".

Side: Mental disorder
1 point

Youtube is not "an unreliable source" when you are demonstrating exactly what someone said. This is his actual speech, in real life, on planet Earth.

Side: Mental disorder
Cartman(18192) Disputed
0 points

Right, you are the unreliable source.

Side: Not disorder
1 point

You're getting this off Youtube? How is this not different than saying you got a reliable source of information from The Onion?

Side: Not disorder
1 point

He says it's more nurture than nature. This means it isn't brain chemistry..

Side: Not disorder
1 point

A mental disorder isn't caused by ",brain chemistry". When a soldier gets PTSD is it caused by brain chemistry or the environment?

Side: Mental disorder
Simzy(58) Disputed
1 point

Natural psychopaths do not get PTSD from war, so ironically in the case of PTSD brain chemistry is the only thing that can stop the disorder forming from the environmental effects on the brain.

PTSD is indeed an exception to the rule.

Side: Not disorder

Milo wishes he wasn't gay because he believes its morally wrong and detrimental to society but doesn't think it's mental disorder, which is sorta what I believe as well. It's more nurture than nature.

Side: Not disorder
1 point

Whatever a living being does or says or feels, it is merely the manifestation of hormonal variations in one's mind at first, and then the same being directed to the whole body. If someone is heterosexual, this is also due to hormones. So even if a gay or lesbian tries to portray his/her condition as a mental disorder, it actually isn't. Our actions and our feelings are directed by our frontal lobe of the brain and if anyone calls homosexuality a mental disorder, then he/she should do the same for heterosexuality as well.

Side: Not disorder
1 point

Your source is one man, who is a very odd man hellbent on his own fame.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Yiannopoulos

It's comparable to finding a Hollywood hack who once was a Republican but has been quoted as saying Republicanism is a mental disorder. In other words, it proves nothing.

And finally, this man was banned forever from Twitter. So hey, either this guy is right but Trump is a chump, or Trump is right and this guy just needs to shut up. Get your Twitter allegiances straight before you play this game.

Side: Not disorder
0 points

Sorry, regardless of what's said (I know who Milo is, so no need to watch this), he is no authority on anything.

Side: Not disorder
1 point

If you know Milo you would know that he didn't actually say it. I watched the video. He was discussing the nature versus nurture aspect of it.

Side: Not disorder
sylynn(626) Clarified
1 point

I had a feeling he didn't actually say it, but thank you for clearing it up.

Side: Mental disorder
1 point

If "I know Milo"? He's a conservative Trump supporter who's speech was shut down at UC Davis by liberals because they knew he would say things liberals would hate.

Side: Mental disorder
1 point

Well he is gay, which makes him more of an authority than a straight liberal.

Side: Mental disorder
sylynn(626) Disputed
1 point

No, being gay does not make someone an authority on whether something is or isn't a mental disorder.

Side: Not disorder
0 points

Yet another chatbot???? He doesnt at any time in that video say it is a mental disorder. Please get the fuck off this site.

Side: Not disorder
2 points

So u purposefully ignored that he said "we are born this way is a lie. And it's a matter of nurture, not nature." Got it.

Side: Mental disorder
ironskillet(220) Disputed
1 point

Please explain how that statement implies that homosexuality is a mental disorder.

Side: Not disorder
0 points

I have not seen yet a be-all end-all definition for mental disorder, so it's hard to define it. However, there are some things we can establish.

1. Homosexuality does not cause subjective discomfort, as discomfort caused by it is a result of social impositions (ie, feeling broken)

2. It does not prevent day-to-day functioning

3. It does not cause a person to be dangerous to themselves or to others.

Based on these criteria, I find it hard to see why it should be defined as a mental disorder.

I can't find the part where Milo says that homosexuality is a mental disorder.

Milo does bring up a good point about the "gay gene" in response to claims of it being a sinful lifestyle, but I don't wholly agree with his refutation.

He argues against the "born this way" belief, which I do party agree with, but then says that he also believes that it's a combination of nature and nurture.

This means that nature, genetics in this case, does actually play a part in homosexuality, so a gay gene could very much exist.

Furthermore, even if it is mostly nurture, this only enforces the idea that it's not something that's chosen, so the point still stands- those who believe it is a sinful lifestyle have nothing to go upon: assuming sin is chosen willingly, then the homosexual lifestyle cannot be sinful, as it was imposed, through nature or nurture, and not chosen willfully.

Overall, Milo makes a good point for a while but doesn't really properly follow through with the final point.

Side: Not disorder
1 point

I could show you link after link after link that destroy your claim. Nice try though.

Side: Mental disorder
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

You can't actually. Even if they existed you couldn't do it.

Side: Not disorder