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Get Paid More = Work Harder? True or False?

Some believe that if you are paid more or "well", you'll naturally perform your duties better because you feel obligated, grateful, motivated, happy and confident.  If you are are paid less or "poorly", you will be disgruntled, lack motivation, lack gratitude, and not put in your best effort or just do the bare minimum.  Do you generally agree with this thinking?  

Some might believe that people who get paid well will just become complacent and lazy.  And others that can paid poorly will be extra motivated to work harder to try and climb the economic ladder.

Which do you agree with ?

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Side Score: 11
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I'm a little surprised not many people have voted this side. I don't know why but for me, if I'm paid well or even if I feel overpaid, I actually WANT to work harder and want to give more/go the extra mile. I also feel quite good each day or before working because I look forward to putting in the good work because I know I'm getting paid well.

If I'm not paid well, or feel that I'm getting less than I what I deserve, I get de-motivated and start being cheap and only doing the bare minimum.

Another way of looking at it is this way: when I have more, I give more. When I have less, I give less.

Are most of you the opposite? When you have more you want to give less? And when you have less, you want to give more?

Interesting.

Side: True
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It depends on the job and the nature of the situation. If you make $9 an hour and get $10, you probably won't suddenly start working harder. If you go to $16 an hour or higher and get bonuses, 401k, you might because you don't want to lose the job, and working harder would make you feel secured of that situation. You'd suddenly have something to lose, where at $9 an hour, if you lose the job you can go get any other crappy paying job.

Side: True
Daegonius(329) Disputed
1 point

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Side: False
2 points

People who work harder get paid more, but people that are paid more unconditionally have little reason to work harder. Perhaps they would feel more indebted to their boss and thus work slightly harder but I wouldn't expect any major effect.

Side: False
2 points

Hello k:

In my company, the people who make ME the most money, make THEMSELVES a lot of money too.. It's not a matter of how HARD they work.. It's how well they produce..

excon

Side: False
KrutonHybrid(71) Disputed
1 point

In my company, the people who make ME the most money, make THEMSELVES a lot of money too

But you are completely surplus to the equation. They'd make a lot more money if parasites like you didn't exist who steal the sweat from their backs.

Side: True
marcusmoon(576) Disputed
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But you are completely surplus to the equation. They'd make a lot more money if parasites like you didn't exist who steal the sweat from their backs.

That is not true.

It would be equally inaccurate to say that workers exploit business owners' need for labor in order to steal some of their profits from the business owner.

Restaurants and car factories, and Wal-Mart stores don't just appear because people want jobs. Other people have to start these businesses, risk capital, and maintain them.

According to the SBA, 30% of new businesses fail during the first two years, 50% during the first five years and 66% during the first 10.

Often those business owners never get their capital back, and often they still owe money on business loans after the business fails.

The profit from the business is the incentive to take the risk to open a business, and to try to keep it open.

Were all the business owning "parasites" to just close down their businesses, all those workers would lose their jobs.

We can tell that nobody is stealing because the whole relationship is voluntary for both parties. When people take a job, the agree to how much they will earn/hour (or /week, or /unit, etc.) If, at any point, either side doesn't like the deal, they are free to renegotiate. Market forces determine who gets the upper hand in the negotiation.

Side: False

Is this question for real?

Has anybody ever tried to make the argument to you that life is fair?

Life is not fair because capitalism is not fair. You might work harder than everybody else for twenty years but still lose your promotion to a friend of the bosses' family. Capitalism is a system which respects nothing except power. It is barely a step up from a monarchy.

Side: False
1 point

Wrong.

'Work smart' and earn more.

Hard work is for 'fools and horses'.

Side: False
KrutonHybrid(71) Disputed
0 points

Work smart' and earn more.

This is conservative language for "sit on your big fat overprivileged arse and make money off everybody else's labour". Parasites like you are the reason communism was invented.

Side: True
Antrim(1287) Disputed
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There are those spirited and determined entrepreneurs like Henry Ford and Bill Gates, who along with the more numerous modest businessmen create the industries in which millions throughout the world are employed.

Without such visionary go-getters mindless filth like you would starve to death.

The great unwashed masses of shit bags, of which you're a perfect example, need direction and shown where and how to work.

You need to be told when and where you can have a shit with instructions how to clean your shitty arse, and how long you can have for coffee/tea breaks.

That's because dirtballs such as you need real people of substance to instruct you how to live your lives.

Of course you don't like being a useless festering turd and become resentful at those who have what it takes and whose orders you have to follow.

Be thankful for the crumbs you receive from the rich man's table and don't be fooled that the same principles don't apply in communism, which by the way doesn't work.

Compare the capitalist free market of the old West Germany with the run down economy of pre-unification communist East Germany.

Not only are you a contemptible scumbag but one who is unable to recognize nor accept that he is of low ability and will be on the lower rungs of life forever.

Side: False
1 point

This is interpretable to imply two different things, but I don't think either is dependably true, though each is true in some cases.

They definitely interrelate.

Consider that the market is about comparative value in a trade: money, etc. in exchange for doing a task. Employers buy work with money. Workers buy money with work

Some workers' skills are harder to get or more desired by employers/ customers (have a higher market value) so they get paid more.

By the same token some jobs are more desired by the workers (usually, but not always because they pay more) so they will work harder to get or keep those jobs.

1-Market forces, not effort, are what determine how much you are paid for a job. Results play into that. The people paying you do not usually care how hard you work, but rather how much value they get out of what you do. Hence the saying "Work smarter, not harder."

Working harder (at your job) does not necessarily lead to higher wage paid for doing the job, though working harder more than generally leads to greater overall prosperity. In this case that may mean working on more than one project (e.g., multiple jobs, or education/training/certification, or entrepreneurship, etc.) because these things increase overall market value.

2-Getting paid more does not usually motivate people to work harder. Instead it is the prospect of possibly being paid more in the future that often drives people to try harder to achieve some benchmark that leads to a promotion or raise, etc..

A much more effective motivation than money is personal interest/ engagement. We work harder to do things we enjoy, are interested in, believe in, or are emotionally vested in.

For example: paying teachers more would not make them work harder. Most teachers already work hard because they believe in the importance of what they do, love their students. enjoy the challenge of their jobs, etc..

This brings up the fact that money is not the only reward we get from work, and it is not the only thing that gives jobs market value.

Side: False
1 point

Oh please. In 9 out of 10 hierarchies the people at the top live charmed lives compared to the people at the bottom...

In companies - executives and managers stand on top of the mound of work of their subordinates.

In the government - for every top member of Washington there is literally an army of folks working their tails off.

On Wall Street or the world of Finance - the bit players are minions compared to the big players

Listen, having mountains of meetings, working all ours of the day, having extensive responsibilities, may be true for lots of the elite who get paid more. But that is not "harder work" than the true grunts who are practically servants to the big boys.

The people who propagate the myth that if you're getting paid more you're more valuable and working harder are in fact those very people - because they know if the truth came out that they should be spreading it around more they'd get their butts kicked.

Furthermore, if you take someone who is already doing a fine job and throw more money at them it's not like they will reinvent themselves to keep raking in your cash. They see that as merely a reward they already earned. This is precisely why the rich elite don't feel any guilt getting paid well already. They just assume they got more because they're that much more important than the guy in the mail room or the kid right out of college.

Side: False