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 Global warming? Just one more scam from Democrats like the lies of Obamacare. (15)

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Global warming? Just one more scam from Democrats like the lies of Obamacare.

Remember all the doomsayers like Al Gore and Democrats telling us of all the calamities that will befall us from Global warming? They cried wolf about many many more hurricanes hitting our east coast? Rising ocean waters from melting glaciers destroyng coastal homes etc. LOOK AROUND! We had no hurricanes hitting our east coast this year and hardly any last year. Our global temperatures have not risen in 18 years! They lie about how most of the scientists agree with Global warming activists. COMEPLETE LIE! Democrats have become consumate liars when it comes to getting their rdical agendas passed.

Have you listened to the developers of Obamacare admitting all the lies put over on what he called the stupid people?

Until Democrats take their party back from the Liberal radical activists, you are to blame for the fall of this nation.

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Our global temperatures have not risen in 18 years!

Dude. Again with the 18 years lie? I have debunked this a couple times now and you never refute it - yet you keep claiming it. Do you actually even care about the truth?

From my post:

'the 18 year trend involved is actually the Global Mean "Surface" Temperature - noting that "surface" specifically excludes the known increase in sub-surface ocean temperatures, etc. - and that the GMST data was using estimates for artic temperatures rather than actual measurements and that satellite data shows those estimates were far below the actual artic warming over the relevant period.'

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There are a few other problems with the claim that global warming has stopped.

First off the starting point of 18 years is at a known high point, an el nino event. When looking at longer periods the warming trend on the surface temperature is apparent. In fact the 18 year trend is also positive but a slower increase.

The slowdown is exaggerated by bad data as well. Claims of this slowdown or pause will often cite a study that excluded parts of africa and the arctic in their global average. When you include the missing data the increase is more pronounced.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/qj.2297/abstract

http://web.archive.org/web/20080607061138/tamino.wordpress.com/2007/08/31/garbage-is-forever/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/

The bad starting point for the claim has been explained to death by stastiticians and other scientists as garbage in garbage out.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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Dude, are you that naive to believe these liars with an agenda? Where are the hurricanes? Where are any of their claims. WAKE UP!

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You aren't without an agenda. You are trying to avoid paying taxes to fix global warming.

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We set on our tiniest of specks of cosmic dust, spinning around a completely unremarkable ball of burning gas, in a cluster of same, itself falling along a path through our unimaginably violent universe and debate the reasons that our "normal" temperatures are not remaining in an unlikely narrow range of the full spectrum of possible temperatures. Give me a break. There is a reason that they stopped calling their fantasy "global warming" and shifted instead to "climate change". That was years ago. Nature has proven the global warming flap to be wrong. The predicted events never happened. The opposite of the global warming predictions, is what actually happened. "Settled Science" is an oxymoron. The essence of science is to question. Enough with this foolishness.

J-Roc77(70) Disputed
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We set on our tiniest of specks of cosmic dust, spinning around a completely unremarkable ball of burning gas, in a cluster of same, itself falling along a path through our unimaginably violent universe and debate the (anything you disagree with can go here) Give me a break.

Give me a break. I mean with all that going on how can we know anything amiright? You seem pretty thoughtful on other subjects but here less so. Lazy thinking or intentional attempt at some sophism?

Every day can't be leg day I guess ;]

Your framing seems to mischaracterize the science in a few places. You are attempting to cast doubt on the credibility of the science by claiming a shift in terminology and your claim concerning "settled science".

 There is a reason that they stopped calling their fantasy "global warming" and shifted instead to "climate change".

The term never changed as you say. The sciences use the terms for specific issues but the public, including you, often seem to confuse the two in some way.

Global warming: the increase in Earth’s average surface temperature due to rising levels of greenhouse gases.

Climate change: a long-term change in the Earth’s climate, or of a region on Earth.

Within scientific journals, this is still how the two terms are used. Global warming refers to surface temperature increases, while climate change includes global warming and everything else that increasing greenhouse gas amounts will affect.

http://pmm.nasa.gov/education/articles/whats-name-global-warming-vs-climate-change

The link notes in science journals the semantic shift from "inadvertent climate modification" to "climate change" happened in the 70's. The claim has always been global warming can lead to changes in climate.

"Settled Science" is an oxymoron. The essence of science is to question.

There seems to be no credible science organizations that disagrees with the claims of climate science on the topic of how CO2 influences climate. A concensus among professionals does not mean they no longer question, they are always open to new evidence and exploring/fine tuning hypotheses.

Enough with this foolishness.

I agree. Opposition to climate change can be seen in public opinion rather than in scientific circles.

I must clarify that the increase of temp will not apply globally, while some areas might become warmer, others might become cooler. This is a negative feedback loop effect caused by a positive feedback loop. The problem is that anthropogenic factors are causing abnormality in the speed of earth's changing climate, causing impacts to our health, the economy and ecosystem, and will continue at an irretrievable level.

Today's choices are going to significantly affect the risk that climate change will pose for the rest of society.

This should no longer be a topic of debate but a topic for action.

I must clarify that the increase of temp will not apply globally, while some areas might become warmer, others might become cooler. This is a negative feedback loop effect caused by a positive feedback loop. The problem is that anthropogenic factors are causing abnormality in the speed of earth's changing climate, causing impacts to our health, the economy and ecosystem, and will continue at an irretrievable level.

Today's choices are going to significantly affect the risk that climate change will pose for the rest of society.

This should no longer be a topic of debate but a topic for action.

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Google "scientific consensus on global warming" and check out those numbers.

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FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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Check out the facts and quit spewing the lies and exaggerations. How are those hurricanes in the US doing? How's this bitterly cold America two years in a row.

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"We find that decreased sea-ice cover during early winter months (November–December), especially over the Barents–Kara seas, enhances the upward propagation of planetary-scale waves with wavenumbers of 1 and 2, subsequently weakening the stratospheric polar vortex in mid-winter (January–February). The weakened polar vortex preferentially induces a negative phase of Arctic Oscillation at the surface, resulting in low temperatures in mid-latitudes."

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140902/ncomms5646/full/ncomms5646.html#author-information

The whole reason Global Warming had to be renamed Climate Change is because imbecilic people like you who think it makes every day a tropical one.

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bitterly cold America

The weather on your front porch on a Tuesday is not the same as the Global climate.

(P.S. - it was 112°F in Australia today)

Atrag(5666) Clarified
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"how can there be global warming if it is cold and there are hurricanes!!!"

You are having a fucking giraffe.....

14giraffes(87) Disputed
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The earths orbital elements don't work like that. Nobody is saying that every year it is going to get warmer. It's more like throwing dice where if specific sides land up it's going to be warmer, if not, not. There are facts that you can look into though, like the fact that the ocean is expanding and getting warmer. I suggest paying attention to the senate hearings on climate change where they have dialogue with both skeptics (3%) and alarmists (97%).