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Debate Score:196
Arguments:149
Total Votes:223
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God exists

I am on the affirmative side.

I don't know a good starting argument, so place your argument, and I will counter/support it. 

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Side Score: 86
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No

Side Score: 110
2 points

If God is da universe and da energies dat keep da flo of tings going and not at all a powerfool entity.

Side: Yes
3 points

God is both!

Side: Yes
3 points

So he is a powerfool. 0.0

Side: Yes
ds229(29) Disputed
1 point

God is u :O -

Side: No
ds229(29) Disputed
1 point

So you mean the laws of physics? Dununununu dununununu...Character Limit!

Side: No
2 points

Yes, He exists.

Side: Yes
GuitarGuy(6096) Clarified
2 points

Do you type that same argument for every religious debate? Sometimes it doesn't even apply to the topic.

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes, I do because I don't want to type a huge argument really. It takes too much effort.

Side: Yes
SexyBanana(306) Disputed
1 point

great argument.................................................................

Side: No
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

Thank you! :D

Side: Yes
2 points

ive too many unexplainable miracles to doubt him.

Side: Yes
1 point

A creator is a necessity for something's existence. If so, someone must've created the Universe?

Side: Yes
Physician(15) Disputed
3 points

If so, who created God? If your statement was true, then eternity is impossible, as everything was created, and therefore has a creator.

Side: No
Anna01(16) Disputed
1 point

What is your theory then? If you're disagreeing with our theories then I would like to know how you think we got on this earth.

Side: Yes
kaveri(319) Disputed
1 point

that would implies infinite life of creators .

Side: No
1 point

How on earth did we get on this beautiful world? Did we just magically appear out of the blue? No, I believe that someone had to be here before us that created the human race; and that person is God.

Side: Yes
MuckaMcCaw(1970) Disputed
2 points

Did we just magically appear out of the blue?

That is exactly what the Bible teaches though. There was nothing, and God wanted stuff to appear within that nothing. So he put life here, magically right out of the blue.

Scientific observation, however, tells a different story. A story that does not require magic and can be tested and refined through experimentation. The exact method of abiogeneses that gave rise to life early on is not completely determined, but the building blocks (organic matter, heat and specific environmental conditions) are. There was room and time for chemistry to do its thing, although it happened gradually and certainly not out of the blue.

Side: No
Anna01(16) Disputed
1 point

How do you know that all those scientific research is true though? When you say stuff about chemistry I don't think you realize that we are both saying stuff that cant be entirely improved. That sounds just as or if not then more unrealistic of there being a God.

Side: Yes
1 point

Who created god then?

Side: No
hulkster(3) Disputed
1 point

you moron, try doing a little research on it and you would not have to ask such a stupid question. grow up little boy

Side: Yes
ds229(29) Disputed
1 point

Magically appearing out of the blue is exactly what the Bible teaches. God magically created Adam out of the blue and magically created Eve from Adam's rib. Sounds more like a bed-time story than something to take literally.

Side: No
1 point

There is a definite order to the universe, one that allows our minds to comprehend and predict it. I find it unlikely that there isn't a higher mind at work behind it all.

Side: Yes
1 point

How in the world could anyone believe nature made such a perfect world on its own..... there has to be a god out

Side: Yes
MuckaMcCaw(1970) Disputed
2 points

Define perfect. This world is wondrous and amazing and often beautiful, but hardly perfect. People die, get sick, get injured. Life needs to consume other life to exist. Weather can be vicious. Some of the best things are not in abundance while some of the worst are.

Besides, even if we agreed that the world IS perfect, why could it not happen through nature. If nature is perfection, in your view, could it not perpetuate perfection?

Side: No
1 point

How do you know the world or universe isn't perfect? Are we not alive right now discussing this "imperfect" universe we live in? Why, if it is so imperfect, then....

How are we here?

Side: Yes

I personally believe so due to the fine-tuning of the cosmological constant.

Side: Yes
MuckaMcCaw(1970) Disputed
1 point

I assume by fine-tuning you are referring to "fine-tuning for life"? If so...

As it stands, there is an EXTREMELY narrow range of environments that can foster life, much less allow it to thrive, and that is even more true when you adjust for a specific species (like humans, which we are told were God's favorite creation). Taken as a whole, less than .5% of Earth's mass is capable of harboring humans.

Less than 1% of the known universe is composed of matter (and a materiel object would be required for life as we know it to develop).

MOST of the matter in the universe is in stars, black holes, comets asteroids and other such things that humans could never live on.

Considering how hostile the VAST majority of the universe is, identifying it as fine-tuned seems more than a little counter-intuitive.

Also, if it was fine-tuned, we would only need one planet and one star, and life should be able to begin quickly.

If not, due to extreme unlikeliness of life developing ANYWHERE, we would need as much time and space as we can get to increase the number of chemical reactions available and increase the possibility of life forming, and it might take a very long time for that to happen.

As such, a universe that is extremely large and old seems more consistent with an "untuned" universe than a tuned one, and it so happens that is the exact kind of universe we live in.

Finally, most of the fine-tuning arguments are speculative. In many cases we can't really say what would happen if some of the constants changed. Only about four have been truly identified as truly necessary, and they are more effective at generating black holes than life. Re-tuning the universe in certain ways could make life much more likely to occur and flourish for all we know.

Side: No
QuestionMan(604) Disputed
1 point

I assume by fine-tuning you are referring to "fine-tuning for life"? If so...

As it stands, there is an EXTREMELY narrow range of environments that can foster life, much less allow it to thrive, and that is even more true when you adjust for a specific species (like humans, which we are told were God's favorite creation). Taken as a whole, less than .5% of Earth's mass is capable of harboring humans.

Less than 1% of the known universe is composed of matter (and a materiel object would be required for life as we know it to develop).

MOST of the matter in the universe is in stars, black holes, comets asteroids and other such things that humans could never live on.

Considering how hostile the VAST majority of the universe is, identifying it as fine-tuned seems more than a little counter-intuitive.

Also, if it was fine-tuned, we would only need one planet and one star, and life should be able to begin quickly.

If not, due to extreme unlikeliness of life developing ANYWHERE, we would need as much time and space as we can get to increase the number of chemical reactions available and increase the possibility of life forming, and it might take a very long time for that to happen.

As such, a universe that is extremely large and old seems more consistent with an "untuned" universe than a tuned one, and it so happens that is the exact kind of universe we live in.

Finally, most of the fine-tuning arguments are speculative. In many cases we can't really say what would happen if some of the constants changed. Only about four have been truly identified as truly necessary, and they are more effective at generating black holes than life. Re-tuning the universe in certain ways could make life much more likely to occur and flourish for all we know.

I am talking about the cosmological constant. Also are you including the earth's crust in the .5?

Simply life existing at all is almost a miracle.

Side: Yes
1 point

where did the universe come from. nothing can create something

Side: Yes
1 point

yup

its true for sure u idiotswsswaaaswasesswwaaaaaaaaedfgertherthergbergberggedfgsdfgertgeergwefgwefg

Side: Yes
1 point

Obviously God exists. Why? Well, because it says that He exists in the Bible, and we know the Bible is true because it says so in the Bible, which is the word of God.

Check mate, atheists.

Side: Yes
ds229(29) Disputed
1 point

You obviously love circular logic. :D Annddddddd Char Limit

Side: No

No matter who you are, were your at or what is going on in your life at any given time. We all have had to put faith in something. Wether it be a test at school, a job interview. Your parents. i.e just about anything we either knowingly or unknowing put faith into something working out for us. This faith could be "god" or if you feel there is no god, then your putting faith into what!"? Your self? Someone else that is envolved? I know there is a god, I pray and I have faith. Does that mean that my life is perfect and I do to make mistakes or sin? No, I make mistakes, I sin. And my life is far from perfect. But I wake up knowing that life as we live it is only as good as we make it. For those that don't believe this is your right. I support your choice. But I will always be proud to admit I believe.

Side: Yes

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. God Is Not Dead! God Is Real! Heaven Is For Real!

Side: Yes
ds229(29) Disputed
1 point

Prove it. <--- Best way to start an argument right here :P

Side: No
0 points

God will prove Himself to each and every person that takes his or her first step of faith; God tailors the inner, ‘spiritual witness’ that He feels is best suited and unique to each individual, and therefore HE is the ultimate, “proof,” of Himself and His existence.

Please don’t misunderstand me; I believe in research, documentation, and providing solid reasons and logic for the Christian faith. There are plenty of scientific facts available, which clearly point in the direction of Intelligent Design for the earth and its solar system.

Please don’t misunderstand me; I believe in research, documentation, and providing solid reasons and logic for the Christian faith. There are plenty of scientific facts available, which clearly point in the direction of Intelligent Design for the earth and its solar system. I have an extensive library, which contains a great deal of fact-based information, including archaeological discoveries that corroborate the authenticity of the peoples of the Old Testament and New Testament, modern scientific data, and other materials that reasonably lay forth a valid argument for the existence of a God. However, having once been a avowed atheist, and then after that, being an avowed agnostic, I can vouch by personal experience, that no amount of factual data, large or small, will ever, “prove,” there is a God to anyone unless they are truly seeking Him.

This does not mean a Christian should stop reading books, scripture, or gathering information to use in the course of conversations, and thereby validate the credibility of his or her own personal faith. By its very nature and definition, faith, is not something attained by mere intellectual endeavor.

Unless a person expresses the willingness to believe, any attempt by the well-intentioned Christian to bombard them with scientific facts is futile, and can often be destructive. If you go looking for raw data, and all kinds of head knowledge to prove your point, you may be right, and you may even win the argument, but in the end, you’ll lose an opportunity to win a soul.

Nevertheless, if there was a proof that truly did prove God's existence, would the atheist be able to accept it.

At best, an atheist can only state that of all the alleged proofs he has seen thus far, none have worked. He could even say he believes there are no proofs for God's existence. But then, this means there is the possibility that there is a proof or proofs out there, and that he simply has not yet encountered one.

Nevertheless, if there was a proof that truly did prove God's existence, would the atheist be able to accept it, given that his presuppositions are in opposition to the existence of God? In other words, given that the atheist has a presuppositional base that there is no God, in order for him to accept a proof for God's existence, he would have to change his presuppositional base. This is not easy to do and would involve a major paradigm shift in the belief structure of the atheist. Therefore, an atheist is presuppositionally hostile to any proofs for God's existence and is less likely to be objective about such attempted proofs.

Side: Yes
1 point

If god doesn't exist where did the bible come from? If a metor big enough cause the extinction of dinosaurs how come it didn't destroy the whole Earth or even take it out of its perfect orbit around the sun? If we came from monkeys how come we lost our fur coat, wouldn't early humans need it to survive the winter? Atheists out there, give an anweser besides some old monkey bones.

Side: Yes
1 point

There is something that exists. I'm calling it a delusion. I was there. Gawd seemed so real.

Side: Yes

It is up to the believer. If someone believes that God exists, no one can take that belief away from he or she.

Side: Yes
0 points

Obviously, God exists. The proof is all around us. Everything is designed that intelligent life may exist. This points to an intelligent source of the Universe.

Side: Yes
ds229(29) Disputed
1 point

Ugh, circular logic. It's one of those "God exists, and the evidence is all around us because god created everything, and I know that that God exists because the evidence is all around us because god created everything etc. etc. etc." Things.

Side: No
Coldthedog(244) Disputed
1 point

It better than what you just did, you basic said she was dumb. You didn't even say she was wrong.

Side: Yes
geekgroupie(31) Disputed
1 point

Where you see gawd, I see physics. Where you see design, I see fractals.

Side: No
5 points

Well, we can't call it an opinion since there is definitely a true/false answer to the proposition. However, it is the weakest and worst kind of truth statement. A statement that is untested but falsifiable is a small step up, but you don't get any real evidence on your side just yet so it still requires faith to believe in. A statement that has been tested at least once or twice is much better, and a statement that is actively demonstrable more or less at will is simply the best. You can rest assured it is true there, and show to others that it is if you have the resources and skill set available.

The problem with unfalsifiable premises is that they has about as much weight as opinion, but you put yourself in the position of having to justify it, which you don't have to do with opinions. This, in my opinion makes it the most useless kind of premise. It may or may not be true, but we can never know, and the "clinching evidence" is usually the worst sort. The Bible is no more verifiable than any other ancient religious text. The personal experiences that people claim to have from time to time? Lets face it, if it is one person who has no tangible proof, we can't know if people are lying, hallucinating, misinterpreting things or simply so attached to the notion that they can't accept that a wave of euphoria or strong appreciation for the beauty around us is just something that tends to happen to people no matter what they believe in.

The only way God would be falsifiable is if he allowed himself to be, and he really doesn't seem to want to do that. He'd rather be the groundhog warning of perpetual winter.

Do I know if God exists? No. But things that exist tend to leave evidence of their existence, evidence that by recorded action or necessity makes it impossible to doubt. God has not done such a thing, so to believe in him is to cling to the least useful type of claim a person can make. And I don't like to do that.

Side: No
Anna01(16) Disputed
1 point

There actually believe it or not is proof of God if you do some research. In your argument you said nothing about how we did get here if God doesn't exist...I think that we can both agree that magically appearing out of no where or evolving from monkeys are both crazier beliefs than believing in God.

Side: Yes
MuckaMcCaw(1970) Disputed
4 points

There actually believe it or not is proof of God if you do some research.

I've been researching the feasibility of deities, supernatural claims and religious teachings for about 20 years. I think I'm in a good position to analyze the "evidence".

You can only have "proof" (by which I will use that word as "as extremely compelling and incontrovertible evidence" since proof is something you only get in mathematics) if you can establish that the premise is falsifiable. Nobody in thousands of years of debating this subject has pulled that off so I would be highly surprised if you could. Feel free to try though, I'm listening.

In your argument you said nothing about how we did get here if God doesn't exist

That is an extremely long and complicated series of events, I am not going to go into a detailed explanation every time I state my stance that I do not believe in God.

I think that we can both agree that magically appearing out of no where or evolving from monkeys are both crazier beliefs than believing in God.

Interestingly, you are making two claims that I don't make. I do not claim that the universe came out of nothing. It came from a quantum fluctuation in the singularity that preceded the big bang, and the energy for it has always been there. There is nothing crazy or magical about this. These notions are based on observable data and intrinsic properties of physics, and the more recent explorations into quantum physics add whole new levels of possibility and understanding to the mix.

Also, I don't claim we evolved from monkeys, nor does any true supporter of evolution. We evolved from beings that were virtually identical but slightly different than us. That chain keep going back millions of years until you have an organism who eventually begat all the simians. There is nothing crazy or magical about this either.

Even if none of these things were apparent or observable, automatically assuming a "God or nothing" stance does you no good. You are taking a premise, "the origin of various things" and assuming if an answer is not immediately present, than God did it. What you fail to realize is the God as described in your Bible has numerous characteristics unwarranted based on this "necessity", nor have you clarified where God himself came from. Its not an answer, its a placeholder that is not derived from necessity as you believe it is, and is not in any way testable. Sorry, but it is to cling to horrible rationality.

Side: No
1 point

It may or may not be true, but we can never know, and the "clinching evidence" is usually the worst sort.

But we can know, we have known, and we do know that it exists. It is all around us in everyday life, when you stop to tie your shoe and a huge object falls right where you would have walked had you not stopped to tie your shoe... coincedence? No, not when you have these unexplainable things happen very often in your life, and they do happen, you need to recognize them though... it's like learning to perceive a new color...

While I have 100% faith in God, whatever it may be, I do put myself in the thinking shoes of the other side, but it is impossible to be in that mindset.

Side: Yes
MuckaMcCaw(1970) Disputed
2 points

But we can know, we have known, and we do know that it exists.

Belief and knowledge are not the same thing.

when you stop to tie your shoe and a huge object falls right where you would have walked had you not stopped to tie your shoe.

I can't say I've had that experience. Nor can I readily think of anyone outside of cartoons and movies that has.

No, not when you have these unexplainable things happen very often in your life

Nothing in that example of yours in unexplainable. Shoes sometimes come untied as you walk. Heavy things fall heavily. Sometimes things are under the heavy things, sometimes they aren't. Your chances of NOT being hit by the heavy thing are much greater than your chances of being so since you would have to be in a very specific place to get hit.

People often identify things as unexplainable because THEY cannot explain them. It does not mean that other people cannot, or that they themselves would be unable to explain them if they knew more about the situation.

these unexplainable things happen very often in your life

I've had some "good luck" here and there, but also bad. I've had coincidences work in my favor and against. Neither requires God.

I do put myself in the thinking shoes of the other side, but it is impossible to be in that mindset.

Not for me and millions of other people.

Side: No
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
1 point

You can't disagree that this universe had a creative force behind it. And if that creative force, whether it be atoms, a god, or whatever, it had in it an implication of life. Just as an acorn has an implication of a tree or a sperm an implication of a human. We did not come into the universe, but rather came out of the universe. But take an acorn for example, which can grow to be a tree... Without that acorn, an oak cannot grow. Therefore an acorn, really is an oak, just grown up... Or evolved. So if that acorn which implied an oak, is actually the oak, or rather the tree is the acorn... Can the same not be said about us?

Without our parents, we could not exist. Without the sperm or the egg, we would not exist. We are implied in those, which are implied in our parents. Would it not be safe to assume that we ARE our parents? And that they are their parents, which we would have to be too? It could go on and on until we were created in this Earth. We were implied in this Earth, which acted as a seed of life... A seed which we ultimately are. Our lives could not exist without the Earth, as the Earth could not exist without that starting point... Which brings me back to where I started, which is that whatever that creative force may be, we were implied within it. We ARE that creative force, which was the original seed.

If God is to exist, then the evidence is everything... For everything is God. You can say that this world was not created by an intelligent energy, force, being, whichever you choose... But in that creative force, or initial seed was an implication of intelligence. The intelligence that was implied, is the very intelligence which we have.

Side: Yes
MuckaMcCaw(1970) Disputed
2 points

You can't disagree that this universe had a creative force behind it.

This operates under the assumption that our completely linear perception of time/causality is correct. There is reason to at least ponder that it may not be. First, if time truly emerged after the Big Bang, but if there was also a singularity "before" the Big Bang, this makes true linearity suspect. Further if time is cyclical instead of finitely linear, then everything came before everything else (including everything that came before it) and our scope is simply too small to really identify that. There are many complications coming out of the seemingly impossible and nonsensical data gathered in the field of quantum physics. One implication is that we simply aren't seeing anywhere near the big (or very small) picture here.

The framing here is critical, and I can use your own sperm/human acorn/oak example to emphasize my point. Extend the frame beyond life. All of the elements found with the life form are found in non-lifeforms. The ability to even have a complex collection of molecules that can constitute what we identify as "life" is simply one potential expression of the interaction between matter, energy and forces. It would appear to be a very unlikely and probably uncommon one at that. Also accounted for in these interactions is...well....everything else in the universe. Minerals, atmospheric gasses, weath phenomena, nebulae, galactic structures and on and on. We cannot say for sure how long it took life to enter the universe, but using our understanding of life on Earth, it had to come way after numerous other things were established. Elements, for example. The expansion precipitated by the Big Bang made hydrogen and helium possible, which (in conjunction with gravity and other forces) made the first stars possible. But we are pretty sure that the rest of the elements had to be manufactured inside stars, so the first generation had die and spill its guts before you even had the possibility of planets on which life could emerge. And even then, the Earth still needed a few hundred million years for conditions to facilitate the possibility of life. So what I'm saying is that to jump from acorn back to God via "implication of life" is to skip a whole bunch of steps. If anything, the implication of non-life is more apparent. And since an oak does not appear to have intelligence, and there are countless other life forms that do not, the implication of intelligence behind it all is even more abstracted from the whole of perceptible reality. And how finite might our perception reality really be?

Side: No

There isn't an absolute way to prove or disprove God. However, as we make progress through science things we attributed to the supernatural can be explained. For example, it was logical back then to assume a lightning bolt was the doing of Zeus. It was safe to assume tornadoes came from a wind god or sicknesses came from a curse from a god of death of something. Now we know more about these occurrences. Things in he bible are being explained by normal means, for example the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, some people say that the event just describes a bad meteor shower. As time goes on people are seeing that things we used to attribute to the supernatural are just normal things that we gotta live with. So, I guess in a mathematical sense the probability of God existing is decreasing as we find the source of "his works".

Side: No
Nebeling(1117) Disputed
2 points

What you are describing is the fact that we have different criteria for identifying a good explanation in modern times. But the fact that we have different explanations for phenomenons today does not contradict the existence of some Gods per se.

The good news is that your argument totally annihilates all Gods that contradict science. As you said, we have proved that lightning is not the doing of Zeus (it least in a non-metaphorical conception of Zeus). But your argument doesn't argue against a God that is consistent with science. To retort by saying that every belief in a God is wrong, because this argument disproves some Gods is simply invalid. So I don't think this argument is sufficient ground for saying that 'God does not exist'.

Side: Yes
Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

She didn't say every belief in God is wrong, she said "So, I guess in a mathematical sense the probability of God existing is decreasing as we find the source of "his works"."

Side: No
2 points

But your argument doesn't argue against a God that is consistent with science. To retort by saying that every belief in a God is wrong, because this argument disproves some Gods is simply invalid. So I don't think this argument is sufficient ground for saying that 'God does not exist'.

Did my initial sentence not make it clear that there is no absolute way to prove or disprove the existence of God? My argument just highlights the probability of God's existence.

A God that is consistent with science you say? Does that affect the numbers at all? The probability still declines since it's existence would be attributed to the natural. I'm like not sure if you read my argument effectively. If you had, you wouldn't be saying the things you are saying. I agree with you that this argument doesn't disprove science consistent gods, but that wasn't the point I wanted to make.

Side: No
skywh(104) Clarified
1 point

You clearly do not understand polytheism. It is not the assumption that all natural phenomena are caused by deities but the fact that they may be governed by not only physical but non-physical realities thus, there may be a need to personify them into various personalities in order to somehow address them with respect or seek alms, blessing and so on. Pagans, Taoists, Wiccans and so forth do not disregard science, quite the contrary: They see it(WE in fact. I consider myself one) as another form of knowledge that can be used to manipulate reality. (Physics, Biology, Chemistry). So is respect, prayer, meditation and love. Just so you know lightning gods are told about in every part of the world. These beings shape their form according to OUR personality (based on era, demographic, geographic, culture) to assist us, be they meek, mild or moody.

Side: Yes
iLoveVersace(1098) Clarified
1 point

Exactly, lightning gods explained the unknown causation of lightning. However, now that we know how to create or cause lightning where is this lightning deity?

You clearly do not understand polytheism.

I most certainly think I do. There isn't much to learn about it. It's just the existence of more than one god or goddess.

Side: Yes
1 point

Well, in the bible the people of sodom and gomorrah are constantly warned about what they are doing and that they are going to incur the wrath of god, so is the meteor shower really just bad luck?

I don't think so, think about it, it applies to everyone: How many times in your life have you been thinking of something and then it happens? Or things happening that are just too strange to be a coincidence?

While some people will say something about the law of attraction I am sure, there has to be something that spurs these "coincidences"

Side: Yes

Well, in the bible the people of sodom and gomorrah are constantly warned about what they are doing and that they are going to incur the wrath of god, so is the meteor shower really just bad luck?

A meteor shower can occur at anytime and it's possibility of it occuring after these "warnings" may be controversial, but what if there were really 100's of warning? 1000's? And then an event finally happens? It may be coincedental, but I think it was just a natural occurence.

How many times in your life have you been thinking of something and then it happens? 

Not often. Mostly because it was due to natural causes. I believe that everything you do has a probable outcome of nearly any sort.

While some people will say something about the law of attraction I am sure, there has to be something that spurs these "coincidences"

So what caused the spurrer?

Side: Yes

#1: There's No evidence!

#2: The Holocaust happened.

#3: Evolution

#4: He so called hates gays.

#5: You can't see it.

Side: No
Srom(12206) Clarified
2 points

God doesn't hate gays.

Side: Yes
3 points

Good for you Srom.

Side: No
ds229(29) Disputed
1 point

You sure about that? The bible - the book that is supposedly strongly influenced by GOD - says that being gay is bad! He even killed a bunch of people and destroyed a city because there were gays in it! And he turned people who looked back into salt pillars? A sign that the people who escaped weren't allowed to pity the gays who died. Yup, God accepts gays fully.

Side: Yes
Vermink(1944) Clarified
1 point

I agree with your first four points but not the last one. Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I can't see my mum right now but I know she exists. I can't see any roads right now but again I still know they exist.

Side: Yes
Gaytruth(38) Disputed
1 point

#1: There's No evidence!

The bible

#2: The Holocaust happened.

So?

#3: Evolution

It is not true as Genesis disproves it

#4: He so called hates gays.

Your point?

#5: You can't see it.

You can't see the wind do you believe in it?

Side: Yes
MuckaMcCaw(1970) Disputed
3 points

The bible

Most of which is unverifiable and no more inherently accurate than any other scripture.

It is not true as Genesis disproves it

It provides a highly simplistic alternative that is not in accordance with perceptible reality.

You can't see the wind do you believe in it?

If you use a good microscope you can see the various particles in the air. We can put tracers in the atmosphere and follow their course. We can see leaves blowing at the same time that we feel the wind on our skin, hear it passing through, and observe any temperature change that it causes. So yeah, it is very perceptible and it cause (pressure gradient differentials) has been well recorded and understood for a while now.

Side: No
1 point

Last time I checked Evolution was proven and tested to be true. But last time I checked, all the bible does is claim. It proves NOTHING. Religion wasn't invented until Civilitation was established, thousands of years ago. The Humanoid race is over 6 million years old. So before people had imaginary friends and before people started talking to nothing, nobody believed in any GOD. Homonids and Protohumans had more in common with Chimps than they do with us. If the First Humans didn't worship any God, it proves that this "God" is a fragment of Man's endless imagination.

Side: No
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[Evolution] is not true as Genesis disproves it

The genesis version of creation is untenable.

see debate here

Side: No
1 point

I have a problem with your second and fourth points. I don't see how the occurence of the Holocaust or how God hates gays, which he doesn't (hate the sin, not the sinner) disproves God.

Side: Yes
joinbobwwiii(3) Disputed
1 point

1) there is evidence dingus

2) Just because God exists, doesn't mean their is no evil, haven't you heard of Satan or sin... again, a dingus

3) Just because there is evolution does not mean at all there is no God... That is irrelevant. Also a dingus statement

4) just because he knows being gay is a sin does not mean he hates them... If you can show me any evidence that shows he hates gays in the bible id be surprised.

5) can we see Infrared Radiation.... no. but does that mean it's not their, NO!!!!

again.... A DINGUS

Side: Yes
2 points

A fiction believed by millions is still a fiction. It's just that those millions are too emotionally attached to the story that they desperately want the story to be true.

Side: No

Science explains how it is completely possible for the universe to have started with out the help of any supernatural or divine force. Furthermore there are many Gods that have been believed in through out so why should any one of them exist if the other thousands didn't.

Side: No
zico20(345) Disputed
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No, science has not explained with any testable evidence that a universe could have started without help from a divine force. Stop using atheist websites for your information. Better yet, stop listening to atheist physicists who make up theories that go against scientific law.

So what if many gods have been believed in? It only takes ONE to create the universe.

Side: Yes
2 points

What do you "mean so what if many Gods have believed in?". The point is, if you believe in your God to be the one and only true God to be real, then all the thousands of other Gods people have worshiped must have been fictional and made up by humans. If you can admit this of these Gods why is it so hard to admit that of your own?

Whether these physicists are Atheist or not is irrelevant. The fact is I am sure they a far greater intelligence and understanding of things than you or I so who are you to say they are wrong? What has no evidence is that the universe could have been magically created by God.

Side: No
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When The first Fish went on land, evolving into amphibians, that Science. When those Amphibians off springed reptiles, that's Science. When those reptiles created the first Mammals, that's Science. When those First Mammals evolved into rodents. That's Science. When those rodents created Plesiadapis, that is Science. When Plesiadapis created Primates, that is fucking Science. When Primates Mutated Creating Apes, that's freaking Science. When those Apes Mutated creating Humaniods, that's Science. Science is in Nature. Religion is MAN made.

Side: No

Let's see...

the common characteristics given to a god (omnipotent, omni-benevolent, omniscient) are impossible.

there is absolutely no empirical evidence supporting the existence of a god

there are no rational arguments supporting a god

So... ya. If you believe in a god, you're delusional.

Side: No
QuestionMan(604) Disputed
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Let's see...

the common characteristics given to a god (omnipotent, omni-benevolent, omniscient) are impossible.

How is the characteristics given to a god impossible?

Side: Yes
1 point

How is the characteristics given to a god impossible?

Can god create a being more powerful than himself?

Side: No

God, is man made. I'm gonna put it like this. Chimpanzees can do anything humans can do. We can do Math, Chimps can do Math. Humans can Solve puzzles, Chimps can solve puzzles. Humans can ride skates, Chimpe can ride skates.

Humans can read characters, Chimps can read Characters.

Chimps can do Many things Humans do. Their basically us with Fur, and less years of evolution. If they can do anything we can, why don't they worship any Gods.

Side: No

If god exist, who created this God. See the only organisms that can create it's self are Microrganism. Trust me this " God" you people worship is not a Microrganism. Everything is created by something. Even the Universe. A micro atom has so much Energy that it exploded. But this God just created it's self. That Biologically impossible unless your a Microorganism.

Side: No
QuestionMan(604) Disputed
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If god exist, who created this God. See the only organisms that can create it's self are Microrganism. Trust me this " God" you people worship is not a Microrganism. Everything is created by something. Even the Universe. A micro atom has so much Energy that it exploded. But this God just created it's self. That Biologically impossible unless your a Microorganism.

God exists outside time as he created it.

Side: Yes
1 point

No, along with santa, the tooth fairy, bigfoot, etc...............................

Side: No

The Universe was made by the Big Bang. The Bible says that God made everything, they just never explained. See the Adam and Eve story is all wrong. The Bible describes Adam and Eve as Homo sapiens ( It just shows the limited amount of knowledge the men who wrote this fucked up book had). Last time I checked the first Humans were Furry, Homonids that had more ape like features then we do now. Also the Bible has many historical errors. The Bible says that Abraham was the first Monotheist, LIE! A pharaoh named Akenhaten beloved in one god, One Sun God. He made a religion named Atenism off of it, but it was a fail. Atenism is what inspired Moses,but your Bible doesn't stay that dose it. There's no biological evidence that proves that God is real. Just all claims and words, no evidence. Proving that all these Gods made up, are nothing but Myth.

Side: No
1 point

The Universe was made by the Big Bang.

Can a god not cause a big bang?

The Bible says that God made everything, they just never explained

Genesis went into detail on what was created.

See the Adam and Eve story is all wrong. The Bible describes Adam and Eve as Homo sapiens ( It just shows the limited amount of knowledge the men who wrote this fucked up book had)

I sort of agree, but analyze the order of creation for a bit. It started from sea creatures and eventually led to humans. I think evolution follows that natural order. You must also note that evolution couldn't really be understood back in these times so the author would have just summed this up as "God created humans" in hopes of just pointing to origin. Also look at how humans were formed in Genesis chapter 2. It says they were created from soil, earth, dust, etc. Same as the origin of organisms.

 Also the Bible has many historical errors. 

Can you name a few of these historical errors?

The Bible says that Abraham was the first Monotheist, LIE! 

I'm not sure about this. What verse says this?

Atenism is what inspired Moses,but your Bible doesn't stay that dose it.

Any evidence of this?

There's no biological evidence that proves that God is real. 

Biological evidence for God won't exist since he wasn't created by Earth. He is a metaphysical being, so this makes no sense.

Just all claims and words, no evidence. 

One must use their logic to determine if a god exists or not. I'll respect any decision a person makes.

Proving that all these Gods made up, are nothing but Myth.

You haven't done so.

Side: Yes