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Debate Score:123
Arguments:78
Total Votes:142
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God is hypocritical!

I have been thinking hard about my relgion and this statement is probably likely to convert me. I say he is hypocritical because he always tells us to forgive people even when they don't ask for forgiveness... He doesn't he has to have apology. We are not allowed to judge people but he judges people everyday by sending them to hell.

If god was so "Good" and "Fair" Why would he do these sorts of things and it's starting to make me think he's not even there!

 

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Side Score: 65
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Side Score: 58
3 points

Yes as well as many other things.

Side: Yes
3 points

Anyone claiming to be something they're not is hypocritical.

But with god the issue is rather different... can't exactly be hypocritical if you don't exist...

Eh, first sentence says yes, the second says no.

Side: Yes

Read Leviticus, now that you're free from the bias of "I'm going to presume this is true before I read it", you can see the mountain of hate and flawed logic in the Bible, which is the foundation for the religion. Read the parts about killing children and homosexuals and then decide if you want to be a part of that. I also recommend researching a sentence such as "Bible flaws" and that should highlight some major inconsistencies which science has unraveled, because whether you like him or not should not affect whether you believe in his existence.

It's funny, right now I could be said to be trying to convert you, with such phrases as "Read this yourself" and "do your own research" and yet when Christians try to convert atheists, they say things like "You will burn in hell unless you start praying really quick" and "You must do this and that and believe it all".

Basically, use your own head and don't let anyone force you in or out of a religion. The thing is, that open-minded perspective almost always results in atheism.

Side: Yes
2 points

Perhaps God is flawed, like man? But if he was, this would contradict the texts saying he is perfect. But if he is perfect, wouldn't he be totally logical?

There are many contradictions in theology that would lead one to scewed feelings and uncertain conclusions. What keeps people believing is their faith that these contradictions are a coincidence and don't mean anything in the big picture.

Whether they do to you or not is up to you, though.

Side: Yes

That's why I've always liked the Greek gods. Individually they might claim to be perfect, but it's clear from the mythology they're basically just humans with super powers, and prone to all the lust, anger, jealousy, envy, and other distasteful human emotions that entails. And we can chalk human suffering and natural disasters as such up to the incompetence, apathy, and spitefulness of the gods instead of having those ideas be logically inconsistent with the "benevolent" god detailed in the Bible.

Side: Yes
1 point

God has zero flaws at all. God doesn't outcast anyone. Instead he brings you in. He is absolutely logical. We can't imagine it because we are supposed to even try. It's like thinking of a new color. It won't happen. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Side: No
chatturgha(1631) Disputed
3 points

God has zero flaws at all.

Evidence?

God doesn't outcast anyone.

Then why does he send innocent, good people to hell?

He is absolutely logical.

Evidence?

We can't imagine it because we are supposed to even try.

Do you mean 'because we are not supposed'? Because otherwise, that doesn't make sense.

But then again, either way, it doesn't make sense.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

True. But there is no evidence of existence either. Believing that he doesn't exist and believing that he does exist are both asinine beliefs. Science does not say that God does not exist, it says that Creationism isn't necessarily true. It doesn't focus on trying to prove creationism because there is no evidence to follow that lends credit to the scientific method, allowing us insight into the theory.

Conventional Logic:

"I have a baseball."

"Oh? Prove it."

"Okay, here's the baseball."

"Okay, I can see that you have a baseball."

Your Logic:

"I have a baseball."

"Oh? Prove it."

"YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT I DON'T HAVE A BASEBALL."

"What the fuck?"

Side: Yes
2 points

Yep as well as some of his Pro life followers.

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes, get out, get out while you can!

No, I shouldn't be saying this. They'll be mad.

Side: Yes
1 point

God is never there. Religions are created by humans.

If there is such an all-knowing being, who is supposedly never wrong,why would there be contradictions in what the bible claimed was his words? On the other hand, humans are susceptible to create such contradictions.

Why?

It got harder and harder for them to proofread whatever they came up with as the story became longer and longer.

Side: Yes
1 point

I hate myself so much for saying this, but I agree. :'(

Side: Yes
1 point

Why hate yourself for saying it? It's just your opinion. If I may ask.

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Side: Yes
Sitara(11080) Clarified
1 point

I feel like I have failed at what matters the most to me. I love God, but He is making me mad, and that makes me not like myself. Any theist who says that they have never been angry at God is either lying, in denial, or has not had their turn yet. Theism does not protect your from feeling violated by your god. I guess what matters is staying true to what beliefs are right for you. Real talk from an honest theist.

Side: Yes
7 points

God forgives us no matter what, but people still need to ask for that forgiveness. Not asking for forgiveness is like not recognizing that you have done something wrong, therefore you'll do it again, and again. And again. By repenting, you recognize that you've sinned. God will still love you even if you don't repent, but even you need to understand that what you've done is wrong.

Also, he judges because the world needs some judgement. We, as silly, craz-ay humans, have no right to judge. Why? We are not perfect. We are far from it actually. God, on the other hand, is perfect or spiritually "higher" than all of us, so He deserves to judge. Besides, without judgement, how do you separate the murderers, thieves, rapists from everyone else? It's not like I want anyone to go to hell, but it unfortunately happens.

If you're doubting God, then you should take some time to think about things. Do you really want to stay Christian? I see no point in believing in God, if you don't even really trust His existence. Makes no sense.

Side: No
Vermink(1944) Disputed
3 points

So what your saying is that god loves us but not enough for us to go to heaven and that he see's us below his rule? If god was truly good he would see us as equals even if he is perfect.

-> God forgives us no matter what

Blatently obvious he doesn't if he sends loads of people to hell.

-> Also, he judges because the world needs some judgement. We, as silly, craz-ay humans, have no right to judge.

And that is what gets me... Why should he have the right and we don't that is a major flaw to him being "Perfect in everyway" Like I said if he was good then he would see us as equals and let us do as we please whether if be judgeing people or not. Like I said it's hippocrytical.

-> If you're doubting God, then you should take some time to think about things. Do you really want to stay Christian? I see no point in believing in God, if you don't even really trust His existence. Makes no sense.

If you read the last biit of my desription you would see that I am starting to doubt him and will likly no longer be christian.

Side: Yes
BookBird101(574) Disputed
4 points

He loves us, and wants us to go to heaven. However, you can only go to heaven if you accept Jesus as your Christ and Savior. If God didn't care, He would not bother to tell us this, except for a few selected people. However, He has told us this, and pastors and preachers all over the world repeat this time and time again. God does not want anyone to go to hell, but people do because they refuse to believe in Him or don't have the proper knowledge. You must know that God didn't create Hell for us, but for Satan (or Lucifer) in the first place.

Blatently obvious he doesn't if he sends loads of people to hell.

I meant those who are His children, which is not everyone, but only those who are born again. It doesn't make sense for Him to forgive you if you don't believe in Him, because you don't recognize what you're doing as wrong.... you're living life your way, so why should God intervene?

Like I said if he was good then he would see us as equals and let us do as we please whether if be judgeing people or not. Like I said it's hippocrytical.

As equals? God and us? Ha. Hahaha. No. We are so far below His level, and that is for many reasons. We kill each other in cold blood, we start pointless wars, we abuse children, we stereotype, we judge people according to race and religion... I do not see at all why we should be treated as equals when we act anything but.

Also, as far as letting us do as we please. We pretty much do that anyway, and as you can see, that's why the world is in its current state.

God also created us, so I see no reason why He shouldn't judge us.

If you read the last biit of my desription you would see that I am starting to doubt him and will likly no longer be christian.

I did. I was just saying that don't bother yourself with trying to talk to others on a site or wherever about it. It's only something you can decide for yourself. There is nothing I, or anyone else, can say to make you stay Christian, or make sure you stop being Christian. Sure, you can create a debate about the whole thing, but in the end, don't listen to others, listen to yourself.

Side: No
1 point

God does forgive but he is a just god. If you sin there is a punishment. If you don't correct your path of sin then your cast into eternal damnation. Human have no right to judge because most people are unjust and don't judge people for the right reasons. He sends people to hell because they made that conscious decision to disobey him. It's absolute equality. If you want to sin then you pay for sin. If you live by his word then you won't suffer but have everlasting life. I'm no christian but i read the bible for a paper i had to turn in so I know a little bit of stuff.

Side: No
2 points

Also, do you see the logically fallacy in saying we as humans have no right to judge anyone and then forwarding your reason for that as a judgement of people? You have to judge humans to conclude that humans are in no fit state to judge humans, and your basis for saying we should not judging other people is itself a judgement of other people. Concluding that humans are not perfect is your subjective judgement; no more valid than someone else subjective judgement of humanity as perfect. It's all a matter of standards, and of us judging to see if those standards have been met. But in this case your judgement is that we have no right to judge, which means you have no right to make the judgement that we have no right to judge. You've shot yourself in the foot.

Side: Yes
BookBird101(574) Disputed
0 points

But in this case your judgement is that we have no right to judge, which means you have no right to make the judgement that we have no right to judge. You've shot yourself in the foot.

Indeed I have. However, all I was saying is that God deserves to judge. I also believe that we don't, but as you stated, I can't say that but I guess I already did, and I'll probably keep on thinking that forever more. It's a limitation of being human.

Side: No
Emperor(1348) Disputed
1 point

Don't need to be a chef to tell if food is good.

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Side: Yes
BookBird101(574) Disputed
1 point

I fail to see your point .

Side: No
1 point

No, he isn't hypocritical. As much as a parent would punish their child to teach a lesson, God cares for the world with a firm but loving embrace.

Oh wait, who the f@#% am I kidding? He damns his children to an eternity of suffering. No loving parent would throw their child into a pit of knifes and flames. It's hard to even think that he made hell in the first place- his mind would of been quite messed up.

In the bible, the supposed word of God, he murders 42 children with 2 bears. The reason he killed these 42 children was because they were calling someone a 'bald head'. Is this what God actually wants? If God was let loose into society, he would be brutally murdering anyone who calls anyone a bald head, because for some reason, he hates it so much to the point of brutally murdering them as punishment. If this immoral nonsense is in the bible, how are we meant to trust it? It definitely doesn't sound moral at all.

Side: No
1 point

Thats exactly what I'm think :P But if you put that argument change it to the yes column :P Would make a bit more sense.

Side: Yes
GuitarGuy(6096) Clarified
1 point

You guys put your arguments on the wrong side. . .

Side: Yes
1 point

1) God exists in our mind.

2) God is that which no being greater than can be conceived of.

3) God is greater if he is not a hypocrite.

4) God is not a hypocrite.

It's easy to look and say that that doesn't make any sense but it's harder for a liberal brain to point out what exactly is wrong with it. This whole debate is a liberal hoax.

Side: No
Cuaroc(8829) Clarified
1 point

Who's troll account are you?

Side: Yes

How can you even say that? God is...God! Only he can judge because only he has the right to judge. He knows every one of us through and through and so he knows us well enough to be able to say what we're like.

Also, I expect he just likes knowing that we're worthy of being forgiven and we're sorry. Do we have the guts and/or honesty to know when we went wrong? Think about it like this: he gave himself/his son for us, he gave us the world and, when we die, he promises to give us the perfect home.

Even if I was wrong about my religion, I'd still be glad I was a Christian and followed a loving God, even if it turned out he didn't exist!

Side: No

god CAN'T BE HYPOCRITICAL CAUSE HE IS A NOTHING ABSOLUTLY NOTHING A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME .

Side: No

well, IF there is a god he is not hypocritical. It is some of his dumb-ass followers, not all of you, but the lame ones who try to get you to choke on a bible, that was a metaphor. but its those god cultists that are hypocritacal. Let me qoute someone here, "Teenagers are turned off to religion because they believe rumors that god hates gays, god does not hate gays he hates the sin of being gay." Now correct me if im wrong, but that statemant contradicted itself...

Side: No
1 point

For the sake of your argument I say No. I say this because you are comparing the conduct of human beings to that of the supreme being which knows the ultimate truths and secrets. He is the embodiment of absolute good and righteousness. It says in the bible, idr the book chapter or verse, that Gods thoughts and ways are not that of humans. God does what he will, because he knows the absolute best. You cannot act at will, because you are not god. You are an imperfect human being. If you take one verse of the bible to heart you must also take the others the same way.

Side: No
1 point

If his goodness and perfection were shown evidently in his actions, maybe - but his moral perfection, like many other things in the Bible, is very questionable. If we examine the way god acts and behaves, if we analyze his moral character, we see very clearly that he is not an all-good being. The only people who express gods perfection and benevolence are his peddlers and (if the Bible is true) himself. In other words it's him tooting his own horn, and we have no reason to believe what he says is true. Any one of the ancient Greek deities might have professed themselves to be the epitome of perfection (and their worshipers might have professed this claim, as well) but it's clear from the actions of the gods in Greek mythology they are subject to all the flaws and moral imperfections we are. Indeed, in spite of the extreme pride, vanity, and arrogance displayed by the Greek gods when asserting their supremacy and superiority (much like Yahweh does), it's widely recognized they are heavily flawed characters. Why could this not be the case for the god of the Bible? He might tell you he's perfect - but it's his credibility and perfection we are questioning so we cant take his word alone for it. His followers might tell you he's perfect - of course they will, they're stated goal is to profess god and convert new followers. The Bible might tell you he's perfect, but it's just as questionable as the followers who wrote it. So we have to examine gods actions (as per the Bible) and we have to examine the world that this god supposedly created and the people he created to populate it. From analyzing the world and the Word by any fair measure of human decency we can conclude that it is certainly possible (if not probable) that god (if he exists) is not the perfect, benevolent, omnipotent character detailed in the Bible.

It's just a very, very common theme throughout history for people to claim to be things they are not, and for people to claim things are something they are not. So we can't take things on face value, we have to examine them. If you're going to buy a car online, don't take the guys word for it that the auto is in good shape - go check it out for yourself. Similarly, don't assume god is perfect just because he says he is - look at how he acts.

Side: Yes
dkforizzle(175) Disputed
1 point

I'm not sure of the verse, but in the Bible it is said that God's ways are above yours and mine. We cannot attempt to understand or explain God's actions, because we would be applying to it our logic, which is not divine. If you don't believe that that verse exists you can look it up. Also, you say that if we analyze God's actions in the Bible we will come to see that he is not an all-good being. Are people's morals different from place to place and people to people? Yes they are, because the idea of good is not an objective thing. It is relative/ subjective. People's moral codes are based on what will yeild the most positive results for them. This is why there are tribes that believe in eating people, because there is a different culture there that is based on their location. For you and I to dissect the moral behavior of the Christian God and make any judgements about him based on that, then we would have to first claim that our moral codes are flawless and universal, which of course is probably not the case.

Side: No
1 point

God gave us all a choice to follow His ways or follow our own. God is simply carrying out our due punishment if we choose our own paths. Follow God's path and it leads to eternal life, Heaven; follow your own path and it leads to eternal death, hell. You can choose today which path you're going to take. Don't blame God when you get what you deserve at the end of the path you chose.

Side: No
1 point

So does that mean you're going to hell for arguing against gods will?

Side: Yes

No, but you are. you say you are going to ignore a person but then you go on a debate that i am banned from to insult me. you are a coward

Side: No
Vermink(1944) Disputed
0 points

This has no relevance to the question that I'm asking in this debate, you are seriously telling me a person who hates hypocrite that I myself am a hypocrite. You're the one who told me to leave you alone in the first place but you are not giving me the chance because you won't leave me alone I don't like to ignore people much so if you keep talking to me I can't ignore you.

Side: Yes
RandomDude(1286) Disputed
1 point

you said you were going to ignore me but you have done everything except that because you are obsessed with me. sorry youre not my type

Side: No
0 points

Isaiah 55:8 ~ For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD.

Genesis 50:20 ~ As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today.

Matthew 16:21-23 ~ From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised. And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from you, Lord! This shall never happen to you.” But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.”

Psalm 7:11 ~ God is a righteous judge, / and a God who feels indignation every day.

Romans 5:8 ~ but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

I'm not quite sure what the issue is so I threw out a bunch of Bible verses that could possibly deal with it; if you have questions of what they mean, simply ask. Also, I'm not quite sure you have a firm grasp of the gospel either but I won't go there unless you ask. God Bless!

Side: No
Vermink(1944) Disputed
1 point

Fair enough but can you see where I'm coming from? I've already said this in the debate it's self he says we aren't allowed to judge people yet he can I don't mind not judgeing people I don't judge anyone anyway but saying do not judge people and them judging thousands of people each day by sending most to hell? Thats just not right. A good god would not be so hippocritical. Also if you're trying to argument christianity try to avoid using bible verses because most people don't accept them.

Side: Yes
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
2 points

I don't see how God is hypocritical at all. If we are so sick that we cannot judge ourselves, then why should we judge anyone else? God is above us in every way and hates wickedness and wishes to dispose of it in His time. A good God is just and that is what God is.

Side: No

Jesus is the ultimate hypocrite. He was singled out, tortured, and killed for having a different religion than his oppressors, and then he theologically rose from the dead to single out and torture members of the human race for having the wrong religion.

I actually made a debate on this exact subject:

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Jesus_and_Judgment_Day

Side: Yes
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Side: No