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God is on CreateDebate and he's watching you
God is all knowing he sees everything and he is watching you right now. He is always looking over your shoulder. He watches you at night, at school, he sees EVERYTHING including this site. He is reading what you put on here and if you are atheist he will read what you type and send you to hell.
It is not appropriate or suitable to talk about the exalted self of God in this way that we say God is every where by him self, but we have to be more polite while dealing with such issues.
We would say that God is the heaven but he is omniscient that means God is with us with his knowledge of everything.
Have you ever really considered what you are saying? Regardless, do you think he watches because he cares and has your back, or do you think he just knows what's going on because that's the way his god-brain works?
It is not appropriate or suitable to talk about the exalted self of God in this way that we say God is every where by him self, but we have to be more polite while dealing with such issues.
We would say that God is the heaven but he is omniscient that means God is with us with his knowledge of everything.
Well, when you think about it, God is the ultimate insecure egomaniac. He creates Man, and then sets up this Hell place as a torture-palace for those who don't worship Him. It's kinda perverted, really. Like the ultimate Saw sequel in 3-D...
I never said he wants us to wear clothes because he doesn't, I said that he wouldn't be happy because that user was pretending to be god and that is a sin
God sees all but you (obviously) don't. No one was talking to you but ChuckHades was the one I was talking to and it had nothing to do with you, whoever you are? CH knows what it meant.
So god doesn't want us wearing clothes huh?
Ummm, yeah? What is your problem with comprehension? No clothes for anyone is mandatory! I think I was pretty clear there?
Got it, everyone needs to get rid of their cloths and walk around naked, and you feel strongly about it, with exclamations even.
I sense some form of turrets or perhaps multiple personalities "wear clothes, don't wear clothes, god doesn't like you naked, god wants you to get rid of you clothes."
Why has God made you such an ignorant fool? Well, he has his reasons I guess, I never said God wants you to wear clothes... You're clueless, I never said God doesn't like you naked. You are just another totally fucking idiot that just makes shit up and hopes people on the internet will believe it and like you... guess what? They don't! Now, take your tiny little dick out of your hand and turn the computer off...
if he tries to throw a stone at god it won't work because he will know the stone is headed his way and he will jump out of the way just in time and then make it rain fire on you
Yea, it's a sin for your false God. It's damn lucky he isn't God, and I am then. I don't give a shit about swearing, or shagging, or sodomy, or your diet, or how much you cut off the end of your dick (I've heard it causes tremendous chafing), or goats, or any other trivial thing.
my god is far more powerful than srom's god because srom said his god will not send atheists to hell, this is a wimpy god if you ask me. Mine will send them all to hell and laugh about it as they burn.
my god is so powerful that he doesn't even need to use his teeth... he has hundreds of naked minions that look exactly like Megan Fox and they open his beers for him. Snap!
Umm we have the same God. I don't know why you say that my God is wimpy. It is true that God doesn't send people to hell its the person themselves who go to hell because they choose to not believe in God or serve Him. So they set themselves up for hell. Also you don't know if they are going to go to hell. Some of the atheists that are on the site could be a Christian and change there ways.
If God designed how your body works, if he chose the environment into which you'd be born, and if he knew whether or not you'd have the will power or education to be healthy, it's on him if you get fat. You can't say God is an all-powerful and all-knowing creator without giving responsibility for everything.
Also, how do you even know ChuckHades is fat? Isn't it kind of egotistical to pretend you know what God's thinking when he looks at someone?
Noo, I don't worship the Satanic goat, I place it in a Sigil of Baphemet made from it's own blood, surrounded by candles in a dark room. And then I chant towards the sigil with words from The Dark Sacrament, until I contact the devil and tell him to grant me success in life for the cost of a piece of my soul, (Only a piece.)
Of course it takes off years from my life, but it is well worth it. ;D
Want me to contact the devil for you? He's very nice these days.
I know it's kinda odd to pronounce but it's the only way the devil can hear you.
I pray that your house is not blessed because it may piss him off- it's kinda like trolling him. So just be weary the next time you leave your house as you might welcome him in when you return.
But anyway, even if reading the dark incantation has forfeit your soul for the devil, his gaze may still be turned towards this website- even if he doesn't give a damn about it.
"God" is a name. So is Yahweh, Jehovah, etc., etc. "He", too, can be viewed as a name. My name truly is "Liber", because that is what I choose to call myself, on here at least. If I decide to call (i.e. "name") myself "God", I am "God".
Now I don't care about any of your ignorant opinions, wether God is real or not is a matter of opinion. i happen to be a strong believer in God, I beg my parents to let me go to church and my grandfather is a pastor. If you don't think that God exist then fine, thats your opinion. I don't judge people for their beliefs.
Okay, but what good is my PIN number if you don't have my card? Is this how things work in your universe? It doesn't sound like you've crossed all the T's and dotted all the I's yet? LOL
God is all knowing he sees everything and he is watching you right now. He is always looking over your shoulder. He watches you at night, at school, he sees EVERYTHING including this site.
Was he looking over my sholder last night?!
I hope he didn't get any in his eye.
Good thing i wear a tin foil hat... Wouldn't want him reading my dirty thoughts.
At least prove that he is on this site instead of saying something that people will find immediately bogus?
Like one of my theories. I was born in NewYork, but i believe that because New York is connect to Canada and Canada is connect to Europe, i am European. In fact, i am EVERYTHING. That is one of my theories but i am not going to say it to everybody unless i gave it some intellectual thought. To boil down my theory: If you touch a wall, you are part of a wall. Weird huh. I also believe all matter can think...walls, trees, the ground. But that is just a belief. I have to prove it.
I have to prove nothing to you, believe or go to hell the choice is your own unless god simply doesn't like you then you're screwed no matter what and from what I'm hearing lately, he's been pretty pissed off
Incorrect. I don't need to prove anything because I simply don't give a shit who believes my "outrageous" claim. In fact, the less who believe it, the fewer that go to Heaven and the more room for me. Enjoy Hell sir!
Incorrect. I don't need to prove anything because I simply don't give a shit who believes my "outrageous" claim.
Actually he's quite right, it doesn't matter if you care or not.
When one makes a positive affirmation (a claim in the existence of something for example) it is assumed that there is a legitimate and logical reason why that person believes so. It is then up to that person to support their belief whether it be to an outside audience or even to themselves. The way this is done is through experimentation to find demonstrable and falsifiable evidence.
If no supporting evidence is shown, then the belief in the truth value of the claim is to be suspended until it is shown. The problem we see with the indoctrinated ‘belief in God’ is that belief precedes evidence instead of evidence preceding belief. It’s completely ignorant as far as logical deductive reasoning is the matter.
In fact, the less who believe it, the fewer that go to Heaven and the more room for me. Enjoy Hell sir!
I don't think you would be spewing the contents of your mind all over this site if you didn't give a shit about what people believe.
And if you make outrageous claims and refuse to back them up, expect mockery, expect ridicule, and don't expect anyone to take your views seriously. In fact, if you don't care what others think and you're not prepared to back up anything you say with any sort of evidence, what the hell are you doing on a debate site?
Everything you're doing strikes me as a good way to loose respect and make enemies, both for yourself and for whatever crackpot religion you're backing.
That is where you are wrong. You are on a debate site. You need to prove your evidence.
My logic tells me that you don't have proof to your evidence. That is the main reason why you stated: "i have to prove nothing to you." lol but that is just my logic of you. ^_^
You know what i find funny is what you stated "i have to prove nothing to you." Jesus never said that to his followers. He proved the power of God many times, assuming that the Bible is factual.
And don't be foolish. You know that there are stubborn people on here that won't believe in God. I don't blame them because they need to see proof.
"That is where you are wrong. You are on a debate site. You need to prove your evidence." No, you do not have to "prove your evidence", as a debater one has to "argue their assertions".
If one is asserting there is no evidence of God, it is up to those who disagree with them to come up with evidence. That's logic.
And qualifying any statement with a neutral assumption is a non-statement. Do YOU assume the Bible to be factual?
That is where you are wrong. You are on a debate site. You need to prove your evidence.
Bullshit! Where does it say I have to do anything?
My logic tells me that you don't have proof to your evidence.
Prove it!
That is the main reason why you stated: "i have to prove nothing to you." lol but that is just my logic of you. ^_^
What are you? 12?
You know what i find funny is what you stated "i have to prove nothing to you." Jesus never said that to his followers. He proved the power of God many times, assuming that the Bible is factual.
Your god proved nothing! He is weak!
And don't be foolish.
Don't tell me how to be!
You know that there are stubborn people on here that won't believe in God.
did you see a seed become a tree the rain falling from the sky the light of the moon the heart and lungs put all the best minds through out the entire mankind and you cant make a flea this is the power of the all mighty
You are quite right! GOD always sees everyone and everything everywhere. Every thing in the world is his creation. We are also creations of GOD. If we will love and pray him, he will also love us. He accounts all our actions and it does not matter good actions or bad. It is very important that we are responsible for each our action.
Nobody is perfect. We all make mistakes. We should know that GOD has enormous kindness.
I wish all of you forgiveness of GOD and his big kindness.
Ah, whilst millions of children die of starvation each year, innocents are murdered in masses, torture and rape occur daily and even hourly, god is busy reading this, making notes and preparing a place in hell for me...
he can be a dick if he has to be to deal with people like you and yes he reads all of this but i doubt he takes notes, i'm sure he has someone to do that for him like a secretary or something
he can be a dick if he has to be to deal with people like you
Ad hominem.
And an omnibenevolent God would not be aloud to bear grudges- only evil humans can.
And don't forget the children he's left suffering, and starving.
Imagine feeling hungry, but then times it by 1000 and make it so painful it actually kills you- that's what children in Africa are going through- and that is what God is ignoring even though he is omnipotent. (Which means that he can actually do anything with infinite power.)
God had made this world perfect, and sent down revelations to guide man to the straight path to steer this life perfectly then man started to change gods word to meet man's cheap purposes and that made man to go astray.God sent more revelations and prophets to correct people and guide them again to he straight path (not to have the excuse of not being informed ) but man kept not following them, the world consequently began to suffer, not beacause of God, but because of man.
then stop accusing God with such accusations which in fact you have to be accused of
God had made this world perfect, and sent down revelations to guide man to the straight path to steer this life perfectly then man started to change gods word to meet man's cheap purposes and that made man to go astray.God sent more revelations and prophets to correct people and guide them again to he straight path (not to have the excuse of not being informed ) but man kept not following them, the world consequently began to suffer, not beacause of God, but because of man.
then stop accusing God with such accusations which in fact you have to be accused of.
God had made this world perfect, and sent down revelations to guide man to the straight path to steer this life perfectly then man started to change gods word to meet man's cheap purposes and that made man to go astray.God sent more revelations and prophets to correct people and guide them again to he straight path (not to have the excuse of not being informed ) but man kept not following them, the world consequently began to suffer, not beacause of God, but because of man.
then stop accusing God with such accusations which in fact you have to be accused of.
If you believe in all these "miracles" and "interventions" such as placing images of Jesus/Mary on toast and "curing" diseases, (while ignoring amputees,) why wouldn't he turn his gaze onto the starving children in the world?
From what I am seeing, God has been deficient, despite being infinite everything.
And one more thing, why does God love murdering children to protect "honor" in Leviticus 20:9?
sure lots of people die every day but that is god helping us to prevent over population so we wont kill our own race to survive and part of it is punishing us for the death of his son jesus
300 points? Pshht!!! Stop pretending we all know how many points you really want, you want 666 points to please your evil goat god, fine we'll see just where that gets you in life. Good luck.
Well, I didn't click your link so assumed you were talking about a male and a female. Male on male action is of course a sin and the male gays will go to hell and be forced to have sex with females for all eternity.
No! That won't work because god will know you are trying to punk him! There are no loop holes when it comes to dealing with god! (That last part is meant to be read as if it's being said in a very low, booming voice)
Okay, I can see why sites like these would seed the community with activity-trolls.
At what point do we acknowledge them and ask for a more clever version? At some point, we get bored, and then are potentially somebody else's user base.
Get rid of RandomDude and bring us a more nuanced player-character...he's transparent and sophomoric. Hell, there's enough of that already.
Why must god sent atheists to hell? Is he that intolerable to them? God accepts all religions and beliefs by the way they are, God is not some extremist who condemns all other opinions; thats a tyrant.
God doesn't send athiests to hell. It is the person that send themselves to hell because choose to be athiest. God accepts all religions and stuff because he gave us free will. If he didn't give free will then we would be God's puppets.
God gave us Free Will, but, will torture us in a lake of fire for all eternity for exercising it in a way that displeases Him. That sounds to me like "discount" or "bargain" Will, don't you think? Something that had to be put on sale or nobody would buy it in the first place? Or, maybe, it's a 2-for-1 Special where God throws in Will for free when you buy Vicarious Redemption?
Seriously, the idea that evidence of God's love is manifest in His gift of Free Will is a farce. You are proposing that we accept as fact God loves us so much that he presents us the opportunity to choose eternal torture in a lake of fire as the price for living a moral life exclusive of our acknowledgement of His existence? How is that love? If your child denied you and went off to Africa to feed the hungry, would you be evidencing love by waiting for him to come home and then locking him in an acid sauna?
That is free will. We aren't God puppets where we have to be forced to believe in Him. Its the person's choice whether they believe in God or not. But a lot of people choose to be seperate from God and they choose there own way and thats the problem. Its not God who sends them to hell. Its the person because they choose there own path.
Yes, you have described free will. You have not, however, related it to any defensible manifestation of God's love. So far, you've posited a perfect being, created man imperfect, and subjects them to eternal torture for failing to overcome their inherited nature; a nature imposed on them by the perfect being. How is that, in any way, an example of love?
Well He loved us first before we loved Him. John 3:16 says that God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son that how ever believe in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Actually no one is perfect. Everyone has sinned. Romans 3:23 says All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Quoting scripture just asserts your position, it does nothing to argue it.
So, God arranged a blood sacrifice, to himself, as a condition of forgiveness of His creation for not believing in Him. And still, the issue at hand is Man being eternally tortured for not believing. The execution of Jesus of Nazareth hasn't materially changed the deal God is presenting us. We still have to believe in order to escape eternal torture.
So, where's the love?
And I suspect you mis-read, the only "person" I referred to as perfect is the God-person.
While you have yet to answer my question (if you're going to be an effective apologist, you'd better get that one down at least) perhaps you can answer this one: If one lives a moral life in all ways, without believing in God, will they avoid eternal torture?
If one lives a moral life in all ways, without believing in God, will they avoid eternal torture?
Well they only way to avoid eternal torture is to believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. You only can get to heaven by believing in Jesus Christ. But it is a narrow road to get to heaven. Its very hard and only few find that path and actually go there.
"Well they only way to avoid eternal torture is to believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior"
So, that's the deal you believe evidences love? Well, actually, let's forget the love part; it's so far down the list of why what you describe is morally wrong it's almost inconsequential.
Let's get this right: God creates Man. Man makes one mistake (yielding to the desire for knowledge, BTW). God curses Man and as a result the entire race is henceforth created in sin. We are thereafter born, by God's design, in sin. As a result of this designed defect, God arranges a blood sacrifice to Himself, to save us from the nature He created us with...but wait, there's nothing in all of this that concerns sin! It is rather, as a condition of avoiding eternal torture, that we acknowledge the sacrifice to Himself God arranged and believe it occurred the way He said it did. Sin's got nothin' to do with it? Where in this whole arrangement does sin come into it?
Well the reason why God said to take a lamb and sacrifice it was because to symbolize that, the lamb was representing Jesus that He died for us because we have sinned. But now we don't use sacrifices now because Jesus already came down and died on the cross for our sins and rose again. And God abolished those past laws.
So now you must believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, do His will and live a life according to what the Bible says and teaches us.
"Well the reason why God said to take a lamb and sacrifice it was because to symbolize that, the lamb was representing Jesus that He died for us because we have sinned."
I think you're tying to say that Jesus was representing the Lamb. And I understand the ontological rationale.
But your conclusion "So now you must believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, do His will and live a life according to what the Bible says and teaches us." Still ignores my point. As you make clear, without giving Jesus your oath of acknowledgement, you are to be tortured forever. All the rest is window dressing to the issue at hand. All the good works one could do, all the sacrifice, selflessness and sincere dedication to the principles of Jesus' message means nothing. You will be boiled in a lake of fire for eternity for withholding your fealty.
If God is love, and he's willing to create you only so he can torture you if you fail to thank him for creating you in the first place, how is that love? Before I'm tempted to conclude the whole thing stinks like what it is...a bronze age take on the master-servant relationship between Gods and Men...you'll have to answer that one.
Why? What reason should we symbolize? Why couldn't they suggest a less "occultic" way of symbolism instead of murdering a young, helpless animal back then?
It's just got Occult written all over it...
And God abolished those past laws.
He still made them in the first place...
So now you must believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, do His will and live a life according to what the Bible says and teaches us.
How do we have free will? Theoretically god created us, our personality, deposition, behavior, and beliefs, as well as everything we interact with that could alter those beliefs, and every situation where your morality is called into question. Except, he knows what you're going to choose before you choose it. Of course he does. He created you and everything else.
Could I do something that god doesn't expect me to do? Could i surprise him with my behavior? Could i change the way he planned something to take place? Yes? Then he's not all powerful or all knowing. No? No free will.
Also i think it says something about your religion that the wager of eternal torment has absolutely nothing to do with being a good person - it has to do with religion, which is often far from the same thing. You could be the most upstanding citizen in the world but if you don't believe in some ancient tribal desert dogma, prepare to be tortured, forever.
While I entirely agree, the Abrahamic god-construct is sheer lunacy on so many levels, I think omniscience and predestination are two different things. Your argument seems to me to assert if God knows what you're going to do before you do it, you have no free will. This, I think, confuses two different conditions. The first being God's supposed timeless all-knowing which assumes He knows how our will is going to be freely exercised. The second is how we exercise it. One has no bearing on the other.
Unless you're arguing God created us and essentially programmed us to choose a particular course, then yes that shoots the whole "free" part of free will right out of the water.
That he is also our creator and also created everything that might alter our vanilla personalities and timelessly all-knowing that eliminates free will.
I think taking out any one part of the argument severely weakens it, and i haven't really considered it any other way because if god doesn't meet the standards set in the argument, he isn't god. Not the one most people here stick up for, anyways.
While I deeply sympathize with what I interpret as your visceral compulsion on the matter, I can't ultimately philosophically separate the two states.
I think we have to acknowledge a creator can create a fire-and-forget product. That product being one that is programmed to make unpredictable decisions exclusive of the bias of the creator. Man can create such a product in the form of computer language. If this is true, we have to acknowledge a causal dissonance between the two states. If we acknowledge this, we have to say God can create something, and KNOW what it's going to do WITHOUT influencing the outcome.
"God" doesn't make sense in so many ways...this is just not one of them.
Hm... do you believe god could make a rock so heavy he couldnt lift it?
Your if/than line of reasoning makes sense, and it fits in perfectly with your computer language example, but reason and sense dont apply in the usual ways when were talking about magic. God knows us on a much more intimate and complete level than a programmer knows a computer language, and while a language can appear unpredictable to its programmer, we are not unpredictable to god.
Im also not saying god is controlling or even influencing us unduly. I dont see my lack of free will as, say, a remote control robot lacks free will, but rather a very complex AI robot that appears to have free will but is really responding to stimuli exactly as it was programmed as it plods along its preordained course. To hell, in my case.
Your assertions would suggest, as I understand it, a particular construct of a Theistic deity. This precludes the possibility of a prime mover who, once the ball got rolling, moved on to other things. Such a Deistic model is no less relevant to the discussion at hand...wait, no, but I'm wrong. While it may be relevant to most ontological arguments of this sort, I'm embarrassed to note this particular debate is specific in its Theistic requirements. Hah, the whole premise revolves around whether God is "watching you"! My apologies for not paying attention!
Now, having eaten crow (tasty...not!), I'm still of the position one can defend the Theistic model of a creator-god and still not admit He compels exercise of 'will' such it cannot be regarded as 'free'. You are making assertions which refine the definition of divine intent outside of defensible boundaries. A God as described by many Theists can create a being capable of exercising free will. To deny that premise proffers an easily defensible claim to Theists that your comprehension of their position is biased, and thus undermines the greater point.
don't try to use your satanic logic on me, it won't work because I don't worship goats of any kind! Goats are the creation of the devil and they were sent here to steal our souls
You seriously think a guy who spends his free time thinking up new species of pigeons and parrots gives a fleeting-fuck about some bigot ridden debate site? Tsk tsk.
If a god who created the whole of the known universe and beyond was also known to lay down the law about pork to some primitive savages on planet Earth, it seems plausible.
However, if God is the god of the ancient Middle Eastern desert, i think it goes without saying that he wouldn't have to read this website to determine whether he plans on torturing you for all eternity. If an all powerful, all knowing creator of everything in existence exists, then free will doesn't. God knew an infinite amount of time before I even existed that he was planning on sending me to hell for behaving the way he would create me to behave.
But god only exists in the mind.
I suppose that your version of god might lurk random debate sites, looking for atheists to root out and torture, but he only does so to the same extent that a little girl has a conversation with her stuffed teddy bear over feigned sips of tea. To put it plainly, imaginary friends tend to act more or less like you want them to. The fact that your imaginary friend is a member on CreateDebate.org doesn't make it so.
If he was really on CreateDebate wouldnt he have to be super bored,plus wouldnt he have already solved all the crimes,situtations,and starvation,etc before he would even do something like this!
"God is good and forgiving. Only if you accept him."
How does this attempt at rationale fail to alert even the most pious of believers? This asks us to accept the premise that a perfect being defines love as entirely conditional. Worse still, the primary condition of this love is an unquestioned acceptance of something for which not an iota of evidence is provided. How can such a condition, submitted by a perfect being, be a representation of anything but a perversion of love?
If I told you that I had a magic flying sandwich and gave you little evidence of it's existence except for a book that says that a group of people saw it, would you believe the magical sandwich existed?
Maybe your wimpy god is too much of a wimp to send atheists to hell himself but mine will! He will string them up by their toe nails and let them slide down a 5 mile razor blade straight to hell to burn for their atheism!
he is watching you right now and not pleased with your "stupid" comment... strike one buddy! Keep it up and you'll be joining the majority of the users on this site in hell.
So this is really more about you deciding FOR god what should offend and displease him, not letting him decide for himself, and, indeed, dealing with it himself.
I decide nothing FOR God, we have an understanding and I know what he wants. Your assumption of who my God is and how he works is arrogance on your part.
I assume your god lives in your imagination. Past that I'm not assuming anything, only stating that it seems like you're a self-appointed intermediary. I don't really have to assume how your god works if you're sitting there telling everyone exactly how god works, i can just look at you puffing up your chest and see it for what it is.
god is all around us yes, but on createdebate get real, why on earth would he want to be on here for, he has got more important things to be going on with.
But, I thought God was supposed to be omniscient? If He knows all the hairs on my head, and sees everything under the heavens, how is He absent from CreateDebate?
entertaining reading? why should we talk about God so that when you do not really know anything about it? Kidding about how he has more important things it's not seriously. I am sure that you believe everyone and u know that he sees and hears us. I am also confident that when you are at a dead end you ask him "what? Why? What's next?" think about the way your thoughts, he also reads them
Ah yes, the Divine Dictator vision of God. He sees and hears us (Orwellian Dystopia!) He reads my thoughts (thought police!). I just go to Him for instructions (Central Government!)...No thanks!
Yeesh, I'm religious but I can sniff out trolls. I am voting against you just to annoy the troll :)
Plus, "God Is On CreateDebate" makes it sound like "User God is online right now," which is not true because there is always some grasshole that takes the name God and doesn't do anything with it... so ya, phrase that clearly please. Clearly is such a weird word.
