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Gravity is not a force.

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3 points

Einstein observed that if we were in a gravity-free environment, and in an elevator that was accelerating upward at the correct rate, the combination of inertia and acceleration would make our experience indistinguishable from the earth's gravity. Everything would seem to "weigh" the same, thrown objects would behave the same. etc. as if we were experiencing the earth's gravity.

Now, gravity does not just pull us down toward earth, but draws all things toward each other, so Einstein's two-dimensional model/thought experiment does not apply exactly.

However, were we to apply the same concept of inertia and outward acceleration to multiple dimensions beyond the first four, we could see a possible explanation for the appearance that objects are drawn toward each other by the "force" of gravity.

For all you quantum physicists out their, I know their must be serious problems with this model, but it is a stab at an explanation.

Side: Agree
NicolaTesla(1) Clarified
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@marcusmoon

Even mainstream physicists have admitted that gravity is not technically a force. The four forces, as they are commonly represented, are characterized as fields in and of themselves. In reality each force is merely a property or subset of properties within one field which is called the aether. The aether can be thought of as an unstable, plastic membrane and every physical phenomena fundamentally consists of perturbations of the aether. Basically, gravity is not a force (force in the literal sense is the only force) but rather a compression in the aether caused by field density. The aether can compress, rarefy, twist and oscillate, thus we have gravity, magnetism, entropy, particles and waves. A particle is a vortex, it is a wound up ball of aether which is twisting and oscillating. Since everything is connected because everything is the aether these denser balls of winding aether create compressions in the aether which pull things in in a similar manner to gravity in Einstein's dream about the quilt. It's not space itself that is compressed but the universal field which is the basis for all things. Space/time does not exist, they only exist in the way that a shadow exists or cold exists.

Side: Agree
Dermot(5181) Disputed Banned
2 points

Even mainstream physicists have admitted that gravity is not technically a force.

Your appeal to authority demonstrates you’re pretty intent on forcing your point and not really interested in an exchange of opinions on the matter , your usage of the term “ mainstream “ further demonstrates your desperation in forcing your point as you’re insinuating anyone who disagrees with your assertions is not part of what “ mainstream “ science thinks and thus has sided with the “ loonies “ and others

The facts are we do not know what gravity "is" in any fundamental way - we only know how it behaves.

Here is what we do know...

Gravity is a force of attraction that exists between any two masses, any two bodies, any two particles. Gravity is not just the attraction between objects and the Earth. It is an attraction that exists between all objects, everywhere in the universe

Side: Disagree
2 points

gravity is a constant force. if gravity is not a force why do we feel it

Side: Disagree
NicolaTesla(1) Disputed
1 point

@aston17lais

You don't feel gravity, you feel yourself being pulled towards the earth because of the density of the earth. Now ask yourself this question: Do you think it's more likely that the mass of the earth which is created by magic teleporting higgs particles which are bound to the magic teleporting particles in the atoms of earth and everything on it are distorting space itself to create this effect? OR do you think it's a FIELD which is contracting due to higher density in certain areas which causes things within the field to move closer. Since particles in actuality are made of the FIELD and are merely denser, winding vortexes within the field it's only too obvious that they would cause a compression of the field.

Side: Agree
marcusmoon(487) Clarified
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...Do you think it's more likely that the mass of the earth which is created by magic teleporting higgs particles which are bound to the magic teleporting particles in the atoms of earth and everything on it are distorting space itself to create this effect?

That is a pertinent question, and your use of the term magic is particularly apt.

Honest science in this field (pardon the pun) depends upon scientists having both of two capabilities.

1) Saying, "Hunh...That was weird. I have no idea why it changed direction or accelerated, or moved closer, etc.."

2) Using single variable experimentation to suss out what factors are pertinent to the observed phenomenon.

The minute anyone invokes space being distorted, we move away from what is functionally testable. Without the ability to test under conditions that include consistent standards of measurement, there can be no valid experiment, and therefore no actual science.

Distortion of space means straight lines are not straight, and constant distances are not constant. The ramifications of this are that any observation of movement, and the results of any experiment on energy or matter can be equally explained away by simply saying, "Space was distorted," or, "It happened by magic," or even, "It was an instance of Divine intervention."

Now, it might have been distorted space, or magic, or Divine intervention, but we have absolutely NO way to determine which of the three it was because sometimes 12 inches equaled 11, inches, sometimes the straight line was curved, and sometimes 10 nanoseconds lasted for 10.1 nanoseconds.

This is when it is particularly critical that the scientist is personally capable of saying nothing more than, "Hunh...That was weird. I have no idea why."

Side: Agree
1 point

NASA and the round earth lie have clouded your judgement.

Side: Disagree
1 point

Then it must be that the Earth really "sucks", otherwise we'd all be thrown off. ;-)

Side: Disagree