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More gun laws aren't helpful More gun laws are helpful
Debate Score:36
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Gun Laws

People think that adding more gun laws will make it so gun-related crimes will go down but it's not. Adding more gun laws just make it harder on the innocent people to protect themselves. people who are using guns for bad are not going to stop because of more laws; after all, they're breaking the law already why would they follow it now. What do you think?

More gun laws aren't helpful

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More gun laws are helpful

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3 points

Gun crime goes up because libs have snuffed out the idea of teaching kids objective morals, and they refuse to enforce laws in the cities they run.

Guns used to be very normalized, yet gun deaths were rather minimal, but the people had an objective set of morals and standards, and held people to account.

Side: More gun laws aren't helpful
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

You're obviously quite young. I'm a "lib" AND an ex-many-year-NRA member. I WAS proud to be. They used to spend most of their time teaching the young to handle guns safely. I know because I taught NRA sanctioned gun safety at a local "Y". Yes, gun deaths were mostly accidental. That is until it became "fashionable" to "carry"! Before Charleton Heston, one of my favorite actors, made it cool to resist having guns "torn from his cold, dead hands!" Too bad. That became a sort of "battle cry" from the NRA because a very few actually wanted to take guns away from people. It NEVER would have happened! There IS a Second Amendment! But now that battle cry has thrown the whole thing out of proportion, and some idiots have decided they have to arm themselves against people who only want COMMON SENSE gun control. I'm no longer a proud NRA member because the idiot that took over after Heston used the idiots to make $millions! Too bad. I'd fight for MY guns too, but I do NOT want terrorists (foreign or domestic), to be able to get a gun as easy as a normal person. Today, hundreds get "blown away" because of those that have "blown things out of proportion"! :-(

Side: More gun laws aren't helpful
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
2 points

GRANDPAW can you tell me how the gun laws in Chicago are working ???????

Side: More gun laws are helpful
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

You're obviously quite young. I'm a "lib" AND an ex-many-year-NRA member. I WAS proud to be. They used to spend most of their time teaching the young to handle guns safely. I know because I taught NRA sanctioned gun safety at a local "Y". Yes, gun deaths were mostly accidental. That is until it became "fashionable" to "carry"! Before Charleton Heston, one of my favorite actors, made it cool to resist having guns "torn from his cold, dead hands!" Too bad. That became a sort of "battle cry" from the NRA because a very few actually wanted to take guns away from people. It NEVER would have happened! There IS a Second Amendment! But now that battle cry has thrown the whole thing out of proportion, and some idiots have decided they have to arm themselves against people who only want COMMON SENSE gun control. I'm no longer a proud NRA member because the idiot that took over after Heston used the idiots to make $millions! Too bad. I'd fight for MY guns too, but I do NOT want terrorists (foreign or domestic), to be able to get a gun as easy as a normal person. Today, hundreds get "blown away" because of those that have "blown things out of proportion"!

CRAZY GRANDPAW another day and more insane rants !!!!!

DUMMY who are your DOMESTIC ENEMIES ????????

Side: More gun laws are helpful
1 point

Sadly this issue has made it to mainstream politics and the Government fears an armed nation as they are stealing the wealth of the citizens and fear that at some point the citizens will realize this and revolt. It is their best interest to ban Guns. So they try to us every shooting incident they can to convince the public that they are in danger because of guns while doing nothing to actually improve anyone's safety. I live in a rural area where 9 out of 10 people are gun owners. The murder by gun rate is about 1 every 3 years. In a three county area. Compare that to places with very strict gun laws like DC, Chicago, NYC, Los Angeles, ect. It's very provable that gun restrictions don't work.

Side: More gun laws aren't helpful
Hootie(364) Disputed
2 points

the Government fears an armed nation

Oh shut up you moron. You're living in the seventeenth century. The government has absolutely no fear because nine out of every ten of you cries when you see the American flag and you get your information from places like Fox News. You are so naive and easy to manipulate that the government could subdue you with soft words, without ever touching its staggering arsenal of weapons and trained personnel. Civilians were armed when Nixon openly ordered the military to shoot Vietnam protesters, and what did they do? Nothing. The American government sanctioned the murder of 3,000 of its own citizens on 9/11 to give itself a pretext for war and what did they do? NOTHING. You are just not living in reality and it's as simple as that.

Side: More gun laws are helpful
Bronto(2002) Disputed
1 point

Oh shut up you moron. You're living in the seventeenth century.

Right. Because the country you mock for "losing wars" could easily take on a giant country where everyone is armed...

Side: More gun laws aren't helpful
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
-1 points

The Government officials make up and extremely small population. They could easily be targeted by large groups of armed citizens. I personally am not a statist I find government to be the greatest evil in the world but that is a different debate. If the government became too oppressive certain sectors of the population would organize and make an attempt at a government overthrow.

FYI Nixon did NOT order the military to shoot protesters, The shooters were Natl. Guardsmen under the authority of the governor of Ohio #1 There was no official permission to fire on protesters. The only sad truth is that the murderers were never brought to justice.

As for 9-11 the general public (the sheeple) don't want to have to deal emotionally with the fact that their president, vice pres, and the nation of Israel were the ones responsible for the 9-11 attacks and the rest of us that do realize that know that without large numbers we don't stand a chance,, That is reality

Side: More gun laws aren't helpful
1 point

Guns are not bad they are not good they are just tools, toys and Art. Why doesn't anyone ever discuss harsh penalties for using Guns against fellow citizens. Most gun owners have never harmed anyone with their guns. The people who do harm others with guns should be the only ones punished. I would contend that if a mandatory death sentence for a 2nd murder conviction using a gun and 25 year min for violent crimes committed using guns with no time off just a straight 25 years. gun crime would decline faster than passing laws against guns.

Side: More gun laws aren't helpful
Hootie(364) Disputed
1 point

Guns are not bad they are not good they are just tools

They are tools built for killing people, dipshit. Killing people is not good.

Most gun owners have never harmed anyone with their guns.

Most robbers don't harm their victims. Hence, robbery is good.

I find your level of stupidity astonishing, and I mean that sincerely. You literally are just parroting logical fallacies drummed into your head by the NRA. The statistics show that guns are used considerably more frequently in crime than they are in self-defence, so everything you are writing is complete unadulterated rubbish.

Side: More gun laws are helpful
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
1 point

I have many guns which I use for many things yet none of them have ever been used to harm another human being so why shouldn't I be permitted to own and use them as I wish? I use my guns for hunting (supplying food for my family) I use them to control furry garden destroyers, The children and I use them competitively for entertainment instead of mind numbing video games. I fail to understand why the government should have the right to interfere with that. If indeed someone were to come to my home with the intention of harming me or my family my guns could be my only chance to save the lives of me and my family.

Your comment is the one that lack intelligence If a robber doesn't harm anyone than why would the victim be upset about being robbed? Of course a robber harm the person they have robbed. Just like a murderer harms the victim and the family of the victim. These are criminal acts which should be dealt with severely. I would contend that if "Gun Crime" were the only thing punished but in a way to prevent recurrences that would truly reduce gun crime.

Side: More gun laws aren't helpful
1 point

More laws relating to firearms can be helpful, as long as individual freedoms are respected and these laws do not make it any more difficult for the average person to get a gun than the average criminal. Take, for instance, the law that requires the ATF to process NICS background checks within three days. As inefficient as the government is at EVERYTHING, they can run a background check in ten minutes, no problem, because this law forces them off of their ass. Imagine if they didn't have a limit; buying a gun would be like going to the DMV. Except the people that work there might not want you to be able to get a gun, so there would be no reason for them not to lose your paperwork. I think we need to extend the same law to cover applications for class 3 items such as suppressors, SBRs, etc. and get rid of the 8 month waiting period that doesn't even go any farther into a background check. Of course, it would be better to get rid of the ATF and NICS checks altogether, but it would still be a positive step.

Another possibility is to make purchases of gun safes and annual safety courses tax- deductible. And what the hell happened to the HPA?

But as far as laws designed to make it more difficult for people to defend themselves and their loved ones by forcing on waiting periods, universal background checks, or bans on specific types of weapons? Bad ideas all around. Laws aren't inherently bad, but for the love of fuck, give some consideration to the consequences of banning something just because you're afraid of it.

Side: More gun laws are helpful