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 Gun Laws; Yay or Nay? (44)

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Gun Laws; Yay or Nay?

In my state, it is now legal for guns to be brought to churches, school, and bars. Yes, bars, so long as you have a permit. Do you think this is wise? What's stopping teachers from holding a gun to a student's head, other than the fact that they'll be jailed.. But I think these new laws are opening up so much more controversies than nescessary, and I think more crimes could easily be commited this way. 

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What was stopping someone from bringing a gun into churches, school, and bars before this new law was made? What is stopping unlicensed people now? A teacher could have held a gun to a kids head before this.

What was stopping someone from bringing a gun into churches, school, and bars before this new law was made?

The laws that made it illegal to bring a gun into churches, schools, and bars.

What is stopping unlicensed people now?

The laws that make it illegal to bring a gun into churches, schools, and bars without a license.

A teacher could have held a gun to a kids head before this.

If they only brought a gun to work on the day they planned to hold it to a kid's head, yes. But if they had brought a gun to work every day just for funsies, they would have been caught before it got to that point.

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Exactly.

"other than the fact that they'll be jailed"

Adding a law to prevent guns in schools is only adding another possible jail term. Being jailed is the only option the law is using.

If they only brought a gun to work on the day they planned to hold it to a kid's head, yes. But if they had brought a gun to work every day just for funsies, they would have been caught before it got to that point.

Except that schools don't actually screen people for guns. If the school were screening people for guns when they showed up they would actually be preventing someone from bringing their gun for funsies.

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People do crazy things after doing some crazy activities such as getting intoxicated. If a person carrying a gun snaps at some point, it will be very risky to the people around him or her. Carrying a gun should be prohibited.

blacklab2287(34) Disputed
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So someone should not be allowed to do something just because of a possibility or the fact that it frightens you?

WilliamYJ(6) Disputed
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So someone should not be allowed to do something just because of a possibility or the fact that it frightens you?

If the possibility is high and the result would be fatal, I believe it should not be allowed.

The only gun laws I support are laws requiring someone to be mentally stable and gun safety training to obtain a licence. After that, do whatever.

blacklab2287(34) Disputed
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Gun safety? Taught by who? The police? The same ones who have more weapon "accidents" than anyone. They are not fit to instruct anyone, considering what type of cops they are putting on the street. Weapon safety needs to be taught either federally or by certain branches of the military. Our law enforcement are not compitent enough.

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An anti-gun website has tallied 636 killings by concealed carry permit holders since May 2007... But there are about 16,000 murder per uear in the US. So you are talking about 0.56% o murders when you are worrying about convealed carry permit holders. Even the police chief of DETROIT is for concealed carry rights.

For myself, the fact I can't bring a gun to where i spend most of my time is the main reason I don't get one. I think, instead of banning concealed carry in bars, they should make laws against carrying while intoxicated... Which should be good ANYWHERE, not just bars

AngryGenX(463) Clarified
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And before you go thinking I am paranoid, let me tell you I live literally a stone's throw from some veryy very ugly urban neighborhood.

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What about to start with restricting what is not needed for self defence? Assault Rifles, Automatic weapons, silencer, special ammo, large calibres, large magazines?

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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It isn't up to you to determine how I defend myself.

Nox0(1393) Disputed
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It isn't up to you to determine how I defend myself.

That is also valid argument for letting Iran to develop Nuclear weapons ,

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For the most part, nay. This is like saying "teach men not to rape".

To you "Yay-ers", these gun laws will only leave the population without defense. If criminals want guns, they will get them. Nothing you can do can stop them. That is why the criminal enterprise in this country is so good at it's job. Very resourceful.

I don't approve of guns being taken away from someone's home and then carrying that gun in public.

Civilized people do not carry guns there is no need.

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Pretend I have a gun. Someone is about to rape me. The only way to stop the rapist is to kill him or her. Am I a murderer for killing to prevent rape?

Yes, you are a murderer. Just like us veterans. But it was you or him/her, and you made the call. Now it is up to your peers to decide if your choice to kill someone had merit. Right or wrong, you are still a murderer. It's time we stop being afraid of words.

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What about for defense against uncivilized people?

Oops, didn't mean to dispute. Just a question.

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Pretend I have a gun. Someone is about to rape me. The only way to stop the rapist is to kill him or her. Am I a murderer for killing to prevent rape?

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Right, because there is noone out there who will stab you and rob you and leave you to die

The world is full of good people and nice things and pretty flowers you are so right

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Its highly unlikely that's ever going to happen to you anyway. Nobody I know carries a gun and they have all managed not to get stabbed, robbed, raped or beaten up.