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 Gun Violence and Mental Health (25)

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Gun Violence and Mental Health

After almost every mass shooting that occurs, many individuals quickly change the subject towards mental health care.  Yet according to the American Journal of Public Health, less than 5% of gun related violent crimes involve individuals with mental health disorders. 
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdfplus/10.2105/AJPH.2014.302242

While it seems (at least to me) obvious that using mass shootings to discuss general gun violence is illogical, I am confused why so many find it acceptable to do the same with mental health.

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HELLO world i would like to say cut the bullshit everyone knows that guns and mental health have nothing to do with each other you all want to talk about guns gangs and drugs well look at it this way if we take away guns than its just going to cause more trouble in the world because there will be more violence due to the fact that people will be doing illegal things to get guns which means theft and crime rates will sky-rocket so come on people get real!!!

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Instig8tor is my enemy!

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Let me let you in on a secret genericname, sometimes your source can be wrong. xoxo

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And yet you've never demonstrated how any of them have been wrong.

Spouting empty bullshit accomplishes nothing.

Oh, I guess it gives you some of those points you seem to covet ever so much.

instig8or(3307) Disputed
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From your anger comes more anger. :)

It is obvious why people bring up mental health when the Democrat party uses every mass shooting to try and further their gun control agendas.

The majority of mass shootings are done by people with mental issues, people on medication for those mental issues, etc.

Your 5% statistic is very misleading because we are discussing "mass" shootings, not the typical violent gun crimes as related with gangs, robbery, crimes of passion, etc.

The people who bring up mental illness as a common denominator with these mass shootings, do so to show how ludicrous the Left sounds when blaming the gun. Most all of the new gun control measures put forth by the Left would not have stopped any of these mass shootings!

If the Left were not fixated on gun control, the Right would say very little about mental illness being the cause.

Mass shootings are a tiny tiny tiny % of those gun related violent crimes you speak of.

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It is obvious why people bring up mental health when the Democrat party uses every mass shooting to try and further their gun control agendas.

Which is just as bad as Republicans trying to use the opportunities to deflect. Both groups are trying to use the situation for oplitical gain.

The majority of mass shootings are done by people with mental issues, people on medication for those mental issues, etc.

Where is your evidence of this? The article I cited disputes that.

Your 5% statistic is very misleading because we are discussing "mass" shootings, not the typical violent gun crimes as related with gangs, robbery, crimes of passion, etc.

I (the debate creator) was actually talking about gun violence in general.

The people who bring up mental illness as a common denominator with these mass shootings, do so to show how ludicrous the Left sounds when blaming the gun. Most all of the new gun control measures put forth by the Left would not have stopped any of these mass shootings!

Can you provide evidence of mental illness being present in the majority of mass shootings?

If the Left were not fixated on gun control, the Right would say very little about mental illness being the cause.

Two wrongs and what not.

Mass shootings are a tiny tiny tiny % of those gun related violent crimes you speak of.

Indeed they are, to the point where I don't understand why anyone talks about them so much.

FromWithin(6663) Disputed
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Do you EVER follow the news? After most of these mass shootings in schools, movie theaters, etc., it has been shown on the news that the shooters had mental issues. This is why they bring up people with mental issues when discussing these mass shootings!

I am not going to waste my time proving something that was all over the news.

FromWithin(6663) Disputed
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You the debate creator ACTUALLY mentioned "mass shootings" TWICE in your argument! Now to twist what you said to make yourself right, you try to say you were just talking about gun violence in general.

Gee, why do I ban you?

pirateelfdog(2654) Clarified
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to the point where I don't understand why anyone talks about them so much.

Well, mass shootings have a mass emotional impact, one that is much stronger than most other gun crime. I think it is perfectly logical that media focus would go to where there is the most emotional 'drama,' persay. However, I do agree with you that it is highly misleading.

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It's illogical. So why don't you go look up a statistic about the mental health of the mass killers?

Why do people jump to the conclusion? Because, some dude just murked a lot of people. Do you see that as normal or even close to normal behavior?

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Saying "This seems abnormal, so he must have a mental health condition" is just lazy. When trying to look up statistic about the mental health of mass killers, I found the article listed above.

31337(560) Disputed
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It is lazy, but it IS by definition, abnormal behavior. And it's the right answer to your question.

Well that's just extremely lazy researching on your behalf and you know it is.

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That 5% are the people that we would like to weed out as much as possible. The rest are just people with attitudes and little self control, PLUS the criminal element. The criminal element has little to do with making our schools unsafe, at least away from the "gang hoods". Criminals don't kill our children, people with guns and attitudes kill them. We need to weed THEM out and let the police handle the "criminal element"!

There is NO WAY America has that much more mental health problem than the rest of the world, it's just that we like to arm OUR nuts!~

GenericName(3387) Clarified
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But if armed "nuts" (probably a term for mentally ill individuals that you should stay away from) were responsible for our statistically higher gun violence rate, wouldn't you think that more than 5% of the criminals involved have mental illness?

AlofRI(2078) Clarified
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Okay. % to 15% of the criminals (minimum) are mentally "challenged. I can't see what we can do about them except turn them over to the cops. It's the 5% of NON-criminals .... until you put an assault rifle or high capacity handgun in their hands ... that I am referencing here. THEY are the ones that are blowing away our schools and churches! Maybe 90% of the "criminals" are mentally challenged, I don't give a damn! THEY are not attacking our schools, etc.!

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The connection to guns in mass shootings is obvious. The connection to mentally disturbed people instigating these mass shooting is also obvious. The article sited lists several of these shootings, which were all perpetrated by mentally disturbed people with guns. Soooooo there is the connection that people easily make. NO?

People snap because people abuse others and don't give a shit about other people. Bullying and all that jazz. It just baffles me why it don't happen more often!? We need to work on mental health but we really need to work on philosophical issues. Like why a very small population controls almost all the money.