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Guns aren't the problem. It's a culture and poverty problem

Guns aren't the problem. Liberal Immigration policy and cultural issues are.

-Instead of offering these people good jobs, education, etc, we just let them in to live in poverty and create ghettos. Poverty breeds violence. Poverty breeds gangs.
  
If you discount suicides, gangs account for over 80% of gun deaths.

You aren't going to get capped in the white neighborhood. You'll get capped in the minority ghettos. And everyone, including the minorities knows it.



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True guns aren't the problem. Democrats view it differently though.

Clinton's adoring rhetoric about Australia's gun confiscation and about obliterating the "gun culture." The explicit gun proposals which she endorses expressly and possibly by illegal executive action rubber-stamped by puppet judges are more than enough to ban most guns.

Testifying in a Senate committee in 1993 amid her health care reform push, Clinton told Sen. Bill Bradley, D-New Jersey, she was "all for" his proposed 25% tax on handguns and $2,500 licensing fees for gun dealers.

"I'm not looking to repeal the Second Amendment. I'm not looking to take people's guns away," she said. "But I am looking for more support for the reasonable efforts that need to be undertaken to keep guns out of the wrong hands." said Hillary.

Under Democrat views who makes the decision to keep guns out of the wrong hands and how do Democrats know which are the right hands and wrong hands for owning guns.

Side: True
2 points

Perhaps you would explain from where all the 'good jobs' would come and exactly where the 'desirable residences' in civilised neighbourhoods to which you refer are located.

If you can do that then I will task you to detail how, and by whom these luxuries will be paid for and which sector(s) of the population will have to forfeit their jobs to accommodate the influx of unwanted immigrants.

Side: False
3 points

I'll tell you what I heard from that.

"We liberals want the Mexicans here because someone has to do the jobs that no one wants."

1)That's called plantation politics and stems from blatant racism established in the Democratic party's political leadership.

2)If they weren't doing those jobs,unemployment would have a chance to go down to reasonable positions, and the systemwould adjust to the worker to work ratio.

Side: True
3 points

----desirable residences' in civilised neighbourhoods to which you refer are located----

Obama didn't move to a minority neighborhood. Did you notice that?

Side: True
excon(18261) Banned
1 point

Hello A:

It IS a poverty problem. But, I REJECT, with ALL my being, your suggestion that it's also a black problem. That's RACIST, UNAMERICAN, STUPID, IGNORANT, and just plain WRONG..

excon

Side: False
Amarel(5669) Clarified
3 points

If he doesn't un-ban you, perhaps you should start a debate on this topic yourself. Rejecting with all your being is not an argument. Especially when rates of poverty are high in the black community. Making the poverty/crime correlation more relevant to black people, at least to those living in poverty. Inner city drug use is also highly correlated with poverty and crime. And the people who kill each other to acquire and maintain territory to sell illicit, poverty promoting, substances are often the same people who live there. Which means they are often black.

Nothing about this is racist. I am not saying that there is anything inherent to black people that keeps them in higher rates of poverty and crime. It's part of the inner city drug culture, which is currently affecting black people disproportionately.

Side: True
AtheistChimp(18) Disputed
2 points

It isn't racist to give out facts and stats. If you were walking through a black ghetto late at night, your blood pressure would have to tell the truth for you.

Side: True
Amarel(5669) Clarified
1 point

I wish you would un-ban him and let him respond to your correction of his misinterpretation of your position.

Side: True
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

Hello, excon.

I am somewhat confused. (Oh, boy, will some jump on that!), I can't see where I insinuated or stated it was a "black problem".??? I have three black grandchildren and I am about as color blind as anyone gets. I may be somewhat opposed to GREEN people, but anyone else I don't give a DAMN what color they are! It's what's inside that counts. We're all pink inside. (Hmmmm, I may be confused again because I'd swear SOME on CD MUST be black INSIDE!)

Side: True
Amarel(5669) Clarified
1 point

Excon was banned and will not be responding to your requests for clarification.

Side: True
1 point

Error 504 has your answer.

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Side: False
1 point

This is why the rest of the world simultaneously laugh and balk at Americans.

Guns are efficient lethal weapons. Lethal weapons are lethal. Poverty tends to create crime. Eliminate guns AND poverty, is the logical solution.

Side: False
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Fear not! Trump recently made it much easier for mentally challenged and angry individuals to get guns! This means the problem will take care of itself and these bad guys with guns will end up killing themselves off! They've been TRUMPED! Those that are left will be taken care of by good guys with guns, the NRA "culture", the white supremacists, the guys with AK's in their pickup truck windows and Glocks under their seats. All this will reduce poverty 'cause drug dealers got no money and poor people can't afford the "good stuff" the white guys and rednecks can that support the drug dealers. Three cheers for Dodge City Law! Yep, it's a culture problem!

Side: False
5 points

Gangs get guns from the Mexican cartels no matter what the law says. And gangs commit almost all gun deaths. Tell us which part doesn't compute.

Side: True
4 points

-----Fear not! Trump recently made it much easier for mentally challenged and angry individuals to get guns-----

Gangs get guns from the Mexican cartels no matter what the law says. And gangs are doing almost all of the killing. Disarming the normal innocent people is pointless and would change nothing statistically in a positive direction.

Side: True
FemaleHeart(24) Disputed
4 points

Huh???? I don't remember any Angry/mentally ill bill being passed. The mentally ill aren't killing people to any noticable extent either. The links provided show that gangs are killing the people.

Side: True
3 points

-----Yep, it's a culture problem!-----

So you admit it.

Side: True
AtheistChimp(18) Disputed
3 points

Yes. I know a ton of rednecks with glocks.... They are swarming Adair County.

Side: True
Amarel(5669) Clarified
1 point

Are you from Kentucky, Missouri, or Iowa ?

Side: True
AtheistChimp(18) Disputed
2 points

-----the NRA "culture", the white supremacists-----

This isn't a demographic group that statistically causes much gun deaths.

Side: True
AtheistChimp(18) Disputed
2 points

-----All this will reduce poverty 'cause drug dealers got no money and poor people can't afford the "good stuff"-----

I'll have to downvote on this one because it isn't a very good argument.

Side: True
1 point

Excellent trolling. Top notch.

Side: False
DBCooper(2194) Clarified
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Bad guys with guns are the mentally challenged thought it was you Democrats that give support to the mentally challenged. Has the Democrat position changed.

Side: True
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Perhaps you would explain from where all the 'good jobs' would come and exactly where the 'desirable residences' in civilized neighbourhoods to which you refer are located.

If you can do that then I will task you to detail how, and by whom these luxuries will be paid for and which sector(s) of the population will have to forfeit their jobs to accommodate the influx of unwanted immigrants.

Side: False
3 points

-----If you can do that then I will task you to detail how, and by whom these luxuries will be paid for and which sector(s) of the population will have to forfeit their jobs to accommodate the influx of unwanted immigrants-----

I'm not sure of your point. I never mentioned "luxuries", and am not sure what "luxuries" ghettos and empoverished communities get us.

Side: True
2 points

-----and by whom these luxuries will be paid for and which sector(s) of the population will have to forfeit their jobs to accommodate the influx of unwanted immigrants.-----

Why would anyone "forfeit jobs" to accomodate "unwanted immigrants" purposefully....

Side: True
1 point

And.... none of what you mentioned has anything to do with immigrants being the primary cause of gun violence.

Side: True