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Debate Score:136
Arguments:94
Total Votes:186
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Guns should be legal

Pro-Gun

Side Score: 62
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Anti-Gun

Side Score: 74
2 points

Why would any single individual forfeit their right and neglect self preservation against those who would initiate the use of force against them?

Side: Pro-Gun

Guns should be legal

Yup. If you illegalize guns, those in power won't be disarming. Wonder why that is? 🙄

Side: Pro-Gun
1 point

If you illegalize guns, those in power won't be disarming. Wonder why that is?

People in power haven't needed guns to control populations since at least the early 20th century. It is simply incredibly naive to purport to believe that modern governments have no better methods of persuasion and control than brute force.

The fallacious premise on which your argument is based is that any government is going to enter into power whilst being out-armed by its own citizenry. If the government does not have more power than the citizenry then its purpose is nullified as a societal organiser and/or enforcer. There is no point in its existence if people can just say no. How would that work for the police? You're going to jail. No I'm not. OK fair enough?

Side: Anti-Gun
1 point

The premise on which your argument is based is that any government is going to enter into power whilst being out-armed by its own citizenry

And there it is...

Right out of the donkey's mouth.

Side: Pro-Gun
1 point

There is no point in its existence if people can just say no.

Sure there is.

How would that work for the police? You're going to jail. No I'm not. OK fair enough?

The same way it does now, seeing people have guns now, and still get arrested.

Side: Pro-Gun

In 2015, 10,265 people died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (29%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.

So you tell me with each child dying from a drunk driver, why the Left is not all over the media pretending to be outraged over these innocent children's deaths? Do you have any idea how many more children are killed by drunk drivers than by guns in schools?

Where is the outrage and demand for alcohol regulations and back ground checks in public bars, nightclubs, etc.

If the real reasons for more gun control legislation is to save lives, why won't the Left propose laws mandating back ground checks in public places that sell alcohol to possible repeat DWI offenders?

I don't want this, but if your goal is to save lives with all your anti Gun rhetoric, you should be over joyed to save many thousands more lives by having background checks on people before buying alcohol in public places.

Do you have any idea how many times repeat DWI drivers continue to drink and drive? Approximately 40% of drunk drivers are repeat offenders! They drive even when their licenses are revoked!

The only way to prevent this is to do a background check before they buy that weapon of death.....ALCOHOL!

Wait, what you say? You say you don't want to be inconvenienced by background checks when buying alcohol? You say you are a law abiding citizen who would never drink and drive?

You say you don't want to pay more for alcohol to pay for those background checks for past DWI drivers?

I THOUGHT YOUR GOAL WAS TO SAVE LIVES? You expect law abiding citizens to pay more and put up with all the inconvenience from your anti gun legislation, but when it comes to your alcohol...... HANDS OFF?

A drunk driver behind the wheels of a car happens millions of times more often than some lunatic with a gun! The odds of you or your loved one being killed by a drunk driver is far higher than the odds of being shot at a concert or Church.

You are hypocrites and total jokes. You prove you could not care less about saving lives. You final goal is to take our guns.

You always spew your ludicrous reasoning why only guns should be singled out to save lives. A police state is just fine as long as it only controls one particular weapon of death..... the gun.

You say we already have alcohol restrictions? Yes, and we already have gun restrictions. You can't buy a gun under age, the same as alcohol. We can't shoot people, you can't hunt near public places and you can not drink and drive. BUT PEOPLE STILL DO IT!

IT'S NOT THE WEAPON OF CHOICE, BUT THE PERSON BEHIND THAT WEAPON. Use the brain God gave you and start addressing why people grow up to be criminals, or become irresponsible drinkers who have no problem drinking and driving.

Start addressing the core problem instead of their weapon of choice.

Side: Pro-Gun
panjen(8) Disputed
2 points

In 2015, 10,265 people died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (29%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.

NHTSA ( https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving): :) 10,874 people died in alcohol-impaired crashes in 2017

Gun Violence Archive ( https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/)::) , https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls): :) 15,656 people deaths from gun violence in 2017, and we already have 2,125 deaths this year.

So honey, if you're going to talk numbers, you better look up all the numbers before you open your mouth

Side: Anti-Gun
FromWithin(7680) Disputed
1 point

My numbers are as accurate as anything you can cherry pick.

As always, gun control fanatics ignore the OBVIOUS truth when it comes to the double standards from the Left, and their conditional outrage concerning loss of life.

The only lives the Left supposedly cares for are those killed with guns.

Innocent life means NOTHING to those on the Left. They support NO RESTRICTION ABORTIONS!

Spew your crocodile tears to people who can't see through your inhumanity.

Side: Pro-Gun

Legalize ALL guns.

Side: Pro-Gun
2 points

Well they are in the U S they love their guns that’s not going to change. How does carrying a gun make a society better?

I guess those in the U S are so terrified of all the daily threats they have in their country a gun is the only way they feel truly safe , what a way to live

Side: Anti-Gun

Well they are in the U S they love their guns that’s not going to change. How does carrying a gun make a society better?

Yeah, one thing you and I do certainly agree on is guns. Probably the only thing, but there you go.

Side: Anti-Gun
1 point

I prefer a life where people disagree a lot it’s far more interesting and amusing

Side: Anti-Gun
smilinbobs(600) Disputed
0 points

It is clear that you have no idea why Guns are important to the peaceful members of society who want them to remain legal and available.

The main reason for the 2nd Amendment is politicians are historically corrupt, our forefathers understood this. Millions of people with guns are the only thing that keeps a government from totally oppressing it's citizens.

Another reason for unrestricted gun ownership for peaceful people is to keep the crime rate low. Criminals will always choose a soft target over a hard target, give them less soft targets.

Last is the freedom as a peaceful citizen to own what you desire since you have not harmed anyone

Side: Pro-Gun
Jody(1356) Disputed
2 points

It is clear that you have no idea why Guns are important to the peaceful members of society

It’s clear that you have no idea why guns are unimportant to the peaceful members of society one in fact I live in , thank you for admitting by implication your society is so dysfunctional you need a gun to feel safe

who want them to remain legal and available.

Yes , to feel safe

The main reason for the 2nd Amendment is politicians are historically corrupt, our forefathers understood this. Millions of people with guns are the only thing that keeps a government from totally oppressing it's citizens.

Not this nonsense again , yous are possibly the most patriotic country in the world with every second house sporting an American flag yet you’re terrified of an oppressive government?

What the hell chance do the untrained farmers , bankers and labourers of the U S have against the might of the American military who we keep getting told have no equal?

Another reason for unrestricted gun ownership for peaceful people is to keep the crime rate low.

How’s that working for yous?

Criminals will always choose a soft target over a hard target, give them less soft targets.

Right , so criminals are now holding up people on the streets and making house calls to rob granny’s and pensioners , that’s great that they’ve giving up all the hard stuff in favour of the soft stuff

Last is the freedom as a peaceful citizen to own what you desire since you have not harmed anyone

So why can you not own an atomic bomb .......wait you can’t can you?

Side: Anti-Gun
2 points

From my point of view, guns should be banned as soon as possible. The permission to carry and own a gun only makes the situation worse. It's already been dozens of mass shootings across the US in just two months https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting In Europe, there is no such right, and they don't have so many casualties. I have stumbled across https://edubirdie.com/correct-my-essay an article on why the guns should be banned. However, under current administration it's impossible, from my view, to make guns illegal.

Side: Anti-Gun

They should not be legal because there is no overall benefit to society. The data shows unequivocally that significantly more guns are used for the purpose of committing crime than for the purpose of self-defence. Hence, the overall impact of guns on society is negative.

Side: Anti-Gun
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
1 point

https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article213531964.html

You should read up and become educated !!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Pro-Gun
1 point

You should read up and become educated !

You should read down and become educated.

A study from October 2013 analyzed data from 27 developed nations to examine the impact of firearm prevalence on the mortality rate. It found an extremely strong direct relationship between the number of firearms and firearm deaths. The paper concludes: “The current study debunks the widely quoted hypothesis that guns make a nation safer.” This finding is bolstered by several previous studies that have revealed a significant link between gun ownership and firearm-related deaths. This international comparison is especially harrowing for women and children, who die from gun violence in America at far higher rates than in other countries.

https://slate.com/technology/2015/01/good-guy-with-a-gun-myth-guns-increase-the-risk-of-homicide-accidents-suicide.html

Side: Anti-Gun
smilinbobs(600) Disputed
1 point

This is a lie that is why you have no supporting data to substantiate your claim. If a person is the victim of a violent crime why do they call for a person with a gun to come save them? It's because that is what saves most people from violent crimes. It is sad if you have seconds to react to prevent being a victim and the police are minutes away. It is very possible that you could lose your life, the life of a loved one, your property, your dignity.

Side: Pro-Gun
smilinbobs(600) Disputed
1 point

This is a lie as over half of gun deaths are suicide which is a personal choice which the government has no right to condemn. Police use guns every day to benefit society. The reported number is about 50,000 times each year a firearm is used to prevent criminal activity. This is substantial enough that it imposes on our right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Side: Pro-Gun
1 point

This is a lie as over half of gun deaths are suicide

Show me evidence to support your belief that people who shoot themselves instead of other people are less dead.

Side: Anti-Gun
1 point

which is a personal choice

Shooting anybody is a personal choice you retard, including yourself.

You're literally stupid as a block of cement. Shut your idiotic mouth you rampaging halfwit.

Side: Anti-Gun
1 point

Police use guns every day to benefit society.

Not in the UK mate. Like I said we aren't total pussies. We can fight crime without shooting everybody. We don't even find it particularly difficult.

Side: Anti-Gun
1 point

The reported number is about 50,000 times each year a firearm is used to prevent criminal activity.

The reported number is that "defensive gun use is rare compared to guns used in violent crimes", which is what the study I posted said. Instead of throwing every obstacle at that fact which enters your underdeveloped mind, why not simply accept it?

Side: Anti-Gun
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
0 points

Again the Pond Dweller admits it does not know much but it believes in it's Internet Intelligence !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Pro-Gun
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
0 points

You are not to bright Troll !!!!!!!!!!!!

Hunting is much more than a traditional American pastime. It creates more than 700,000 jobs nationwide. New studies now show that annual spending by America's 14 million hunters amounts to $22.1 billion. By comparison, and if hypothetically ranked as a "corporation," that revenue figure would put hunting in thirty-fifth place on the Fortune 500 list of America's largest businesses, right between J.C. Penney and United Parcel Service.

The impact of the American economy of all that spending is extraordinary. When the spending figure was "crunched" recently by economic analysts to account for "ripple" or economic multiplier effects, hunters' spending was shown to have:

Created a nationwide economic impact of about $61 billion.

Supported 704,600 million jobs, or nearly 1 percent of America's entire civilian labor force, in all sectors of the American economy. Created household income (salaries and wages) totaling 416.1 billion, which is roughly equivalent to 25 percent of America's entire military payroll.

Added $1.4 billion to state tax revenues, or nearly 1 percent of all annual state tax revenues combined.

Contributed $1.7 billion in federal income taxes, which equates to almost half of the entire federal budget for commerce.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/econ-hunting.html

Side: Pro-Gun
1 point

Hunting is much more than a traditional American pastime. It creates more than 700,000 jobs nationwide.

That's great. We should let you have a gun so you can kill defenceless animals after torturing them with a two hour chase through a forest. Yeah, I'm not too bright. I have difficulty understanding why psychopathy is a valid argument for the legalisation of guns.

Side: Anti-Gun
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
0 points

Can you believe this Troll ?????????

Shine up your rifle and break out the camo: The state of California is encouraging its eco-minded residents to get outside and start shooting.

The California Department of Fish and Wildlife announced Thursday a new effort to recruit hunters and anglers throughout the state. Fish and Wildlife said in a statement it is partnering with other state and federal agencies as well as recreational communities to "address barriers and opportunities to hunting and fishing in the state."

"The fishing and hunting opportunities in this state are unparalleled, they belong to all Californians and should be utilized by all of us. This effort is to make sure Californians know that," Fish and Wildlife Director Charlton H. Bonham said in the statement.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/science/article/hunting-fishing-permit-california-fees-policy-13599231.php

Side: Pro-Gun
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
0 points

ILION – Residents in this village of 8,000 or so along the Mohawk River usually don’t have much interest in news coming out of Nashville.

But an item published Aug. 20 on the business page of The Tennessean sure caught their attention: Remington Arms, far and away the biggest employer in this town, has been touring possible new facility sites in the Nashville area.

“The story was very much noticed,” said Ellen Jones, who owns the Farmhouse Restaurant located just across the street from the gated entrance to the sprawling Remington manufacturing facility in Ilion where the company has been making guns since Eliphalet Remington II forged his first rifle here in 1816.

“Everybody here relies on Remington in some shape or form,” she said.

Eight months after New York enacted one of the nation’s strongest gun control laws, Ilion is a community on edge. Residents and employers say they hear assurances from politicians that Remington, the oldest gun maker in America, will not move. But all they have to do is look to other upstate communities home to once-successful manufacturing companies – from Lackawanna and Rochester to Binghamton and Poughkeepsie – to see that such promises can be fleeting.

https://buffalonews.com/2013/09/07/new-york-gun-makers-in-a-squeeze-stay-or-go/

Side: Pro-Gun
TheDevil(6) Disputed
-1 points

And, who didn't see that coming.

You know, believe it or not, I have done you the courtesy of reading every word you've sent in my direction, regardless of its level of ignorance. And yet you continue to claim a false position of moral authority over topics you make abundantly clear you know nothing about. When you refuse to make even the cursory effort to educate yourself when contradictory evidence is put in your face, that is truly the lowest form of stupidity.

Side: Pro-Gun
0 points

And, who didn't see that coming.

Shut up. I find your stupidity to be at a level which is frankly personally offensive.

You know, believe it or not, I have done you the courtesy of reading every word you've sent in my direction

I didn't write my post for your personal benefit you pathologically narcissistic imbecile. I don't give a fuck whether you read it or not. In fact I'd much sooner you didn't so I don't have to reply to your deranged revision of the facts.

Side: Anti-Gun
TheDevil(6) Disputed
-3 points
2 points

How about another? Given that it's unlikely anything will stop you from running your idiotic mouth:-

A 1994 study examined NCVS data and concluded that between 1987 and 1990, there were approximately 258,460 incidents in which firearms were used defensively in the United States, for an annual average of 64,615. The same study said that "Firearm self-defense is rare compared with gun crimes."[21] An article published by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, drawing its DGU from the NCVS, said: "In 1992 offenders armed with handguns committed a record 931,000 violent crimes ... On average in 1987-92 about 83,000 crime victims per year used a firearm to defend themselves or their property.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensivegunuse#NationalCrimeVictimization_Survey

Side: Anti-Gun
2 points

Ready to shut your mouth yet?

A study from October 2013 analyzed data from 27 developed nations to examine the impact of firearm prevalence on the mortality rate. It found an extremely strong direct relationship between the number of firearms and firearm deaths. The paper concludes: “The current study debunks the widely quoted hypothesis that guns make a nation safer.” This finding is bolstered by several previous studies that have revealed a significant link between gun ownership and firearm-related deaths. This international comparison is especially harrowing for women and children, who die from gun violence in America at far higher rates than in other countries.

https://slate.com/technology/2015/01/good-guy-with-a-gun-myth-guns-increase-the-risk-of-homicide-accidents-suicide.html

Side: Anti-Gun
1 point

I would condescendingly ask for citation here

Certainly, you deranged idiot.

What is most striking is how rarely firearms are used in self-defense. In 1987, in only one-half of one percent of all intended or actual incidences of violent crime was a firearm available to the potential or actual victim--both gun owning and non-gun owning. For that year the National Crime Victimization Survey estimates that there were 5,660,570 violent crimes (attempted and completed) in the United States. Using these figures, there were approximately 28,000 instances in which there was a firearm available to the victim. And of these instances it's not even known whether the gun was used successfully to stop the crime.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/cfcrisis.htm

Anything else, or are you just going to sit here like an imbecile pretending that black is white?

Side: Anti-Gun
-1 points

If you actually do expend the effort to look for where you suggested that mass casualty attackers would all use monodirectional explosives and read an articulate explanation of just how stupid that is, keep in mind that you'll have to expand the comment boxes since you downvoted it into oblivion.

Side: Pro-Gun
1 point
Side: Anti-Gun
Amarel(4987) Clarified
1 point

I'm a fan of the CDC App WISQARS

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/fatal.html

Side: Pro-Gun
panjen(8) Disputed
1 point

Yeah wow, ok. So yes important contribution, it's actually 125 less deaths than the over 38,000 deaths. Thanks for the update.

But yeah, sorry. I meant to include the CDC in my list. Except use this link for reference since it actually has the recent stats. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

Side: Anti-Gun
-1 points

YES! THANK YOU!!!!

I did promise to respond to the sources Nom provided. I will do so. But this is so much more information to devour. On what little honor is afforded to me as someone who frequents this cesspool of a website, I will read and respond to all of this. However, it will take more time. Again, I thank you.

Side: Anti-Gun
2 points

I did promise to respond to the sources Nom provided. I will do so.

Nobody is interested in what you have to say because you have already demonstrated that you are an idiot who is unprepared to acknowledge the strength of the argument against you. I fervently believe you to have mental health problems.

Side: Pro-Gun
2 points

Professor Brohi responds to Trump's 'ridiculous' opinions about guns

C4TS lead Professor Karim Brohi issued an official response to President Trump's speech to the National Rifle Association (NRA) on 3rd May. In that speech, Trump referred to the level of knife related violence in London, implied the Royal London Hospital was awash with blood and suggested that providing easier access to guns would be a solution.

Professor Brohi said:

"Knife violence is a serious issue for London. We are proud of the excellent trauma care we provide and of our violence reduction programmes. The Royal London Hospital has cut the number of our young patients returning after further knife attacks from 45% to 1%.

"There is more we can all do to combat this violence, but to suggest guns are part of the solution is ridiculous. Gunshot wounds are at least twice as lethal as knife injuries and more difficult to repair. We are proud of our world-leading service and to serve the people of London."

Professor Brohi's statement was picked up by many media outlets, including the BBC.

http://www.c4ts.qmul.ac.uk/main/latest-news/post/55-professor-brohi-responds-to-trumps-ridiculous-opinions-about-guns

Side: Pro-Gun
1 point

I did promise to respond to the sources Nom provided.

Remember to debunk Harvard for us my little friend.

Most gun experts believe guns do more harm than good, study finds

A majority of gun researchers believe that strong gun laws help reduce homicide and that a gun in someone’s home can make it a more dangerous place, according to recent surveys conducted by Harvard University.

Over the past year, the Harvard Injury Control Research Center has asked dozens of leading gun researchers to answer a new question each month about the impact of guns and related programs and policies on society, and the center has published the findings online.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/04/03/most-gun-researchers-believe-guns-more-harm-than-good-harvard-study-finds/TYHNnxzHIQ9aiX232OdY1L/story.html

Side: Pro-Gun