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Biblical Prophesy is what is coming out of the Middle East and yes Islamist want to kill you.
Islamist have attacked our soil and killed innocent Americans. Should we just avoid the threat and worry about what the Bible says. Believing in a higher power is good and all but we are under serious threat and the Bible will not save us from that threat.
The good book does not have to tell me we are under attack from Biblical Prophesy coming out of the Middle East. Word of God tested and proven comes from the Qu'ran and we are the infidels. A bible is not going to save us from those that want to kill us.You better wake up because Democrats want more of the enemy here on our soil and you can choose to fight or stand there and hold a bible an hope you don't get killed.
I understand the Bible is credible and don't mistake that. But i also understand the Qu'ran the bible of the Muslims is a serious threat to Americans and that threat should be taken seriously. Instead of you worrying about whether Biblical Prophesy being Accurate maybe you concern yourself with what is our real threat.
Did God say anything to Ishmael or his mother Haggar?
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Here are two awesome Bible apps
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This one is for kids - but is awesome even for adults too!
The cartoon episodes are fun and informative, and we'll done!
And the bible profiles make it easy to look up people, places, and archeology. And it has several Bible versions - a place to highlight and take notes too.
For the prophesy below to have come true, God would have had to have fulfilled three prophesies to match history! -
TO LINE UP WITH HISTORIC ACCURACY, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE OTHER PROPHESIES ON WHICH THIS PROPHESY BELOW DEPENDS.
SO THREE PROPHESIES HAD TO BE ACCURATE FOR THIS, NOT JUST ONE!!!
2 OTHER Bible Prophesies,
1 -to scatter them to all the Nations, and 2 - then bring the Jews back from all the Nations He had scattered them, which are also other detailed prophesied! And bringing them back was fullfilled after ww2. .. ... Thousands of years after these prophesies!
Coincidence? Or is this inaccurate?
Was Terrorism a Biblical Prophesy?
Was the Middle East Crisis a Biblical Prophesy?
How many points can we accumulate for -
Bible Truth or Bible Lie?
It almost seems if it weren't for Israel life wouldn't be quite as disturbed. How is it that 4000 years of these people who really didn't bring much on themselves historically, are the matter that brings TREMBLING (OR TERROR!!!) To the door of EVERY Nation? Has Israel been a burden to lift? When lifting Israel
have those Nations face Trembling, and being cut into pieces?
How did the Bible know Nations would lift Israel? What Nations back then lifted other Nations?
Accurate prophesy?
BIBLE PROPHESY
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of TREMBLING unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it… For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of
the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle
If you are saved from your sins and heaven is your home, you don't have to be afraid of Muslims or Democrats. If you are not saved, Hell is much more of a danger that Muslims or Democrats.
In this two-part study, we will survey some of the prophecies that focus upon Babylon’s demise. First, though, let us remind ourselves of several principles that govern the validity of genuine prophecy.
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True prophecies are stated emphatically; they are not couched in the jargon of contingency (unless, of course, contextual evidence suggests that one is dealing with a conditional prophecy).
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Generally, a significant time frame must lapse between the prophetic utterance and the fulfillment, so as to exclude the possibility of “educated speculation.”
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The prophecy will involve specific details, not vague generalities.
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The predictive declarations will be fulfilled precisely and completely. No mere substantial percentage will suffice.
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One must recognize, though, that occasionally a prophecy may contain figurative terminology; this does not, however, militate against its evidential validity.
It is not likely and is not usual - as a matter of fact it is HIGHLY unlikely and EXTREMELY unusual!!
Here is part of the historical event of Steven's Martyrdom
Notice his stoners coats were laid at Saul's feet.
Saul after murdering Christiand, has an unusual transformation and personally experienced an encounter with the Risen Jesus.
Saul goes from killing them to the greatest winner of souls. And by those actions fullfills PROPHESY!!
And his dramatic conversion pushes the gospel out from his own countrymen to Gentiles, (other Nation other than Israel) and is well know even from those he was in league with while severely persecuting Christians.
Matt 24
14“This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Isaiah 11
10 "And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, who shall stand as a banner to the people; for the Gentiles shall seek Him, and His resting place shall be glorious."
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So like it, or not this IS reasonable evidence, and along with 2000 prophesies that have already been fulfilled in detail!
With only 500 to go, and some of those are in process!
Evidence FOR GOD is mounting!!!
Stephen was martyred as murders placed their coats at Saul's feet.
SAUL Later became PAUL, and went on to become a valiant Appostle of the faith he was a murderer in war against Christians!
What changed?
Acts 7
51 “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
52 Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming
of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become;
53 you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.”
54 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they began gnashing their teeth at him.
55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God;
56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears and rushed at him with one impulse.
58 When they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”
60 Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” Having said this, he fell asleep.
It is not likely and is not usual - as a matter of fact it is HIGHLY unlikely and EXTREMELY unusual!!
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Here is part of the historical event of Steven's Martyrdom
Notice his stoners coats were laid at Saul's feet.
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Saul after murdering Christiand, has an unusual transformation and personally experienced an encounter with the Risen Jesus.
Saul goes from killing them to the greatest winner of souls. And by those actions fullfills PROPHESY!!
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And his dramatic conversion pushes the gospel out from his own countrymen to Gentiles, (other Nation other than Israel) and is well know even from those he was in league with while severely persecuting Christians.
Saul who became Paul had a part in these two prophesies below being fulfilled.
What do you say of the prophesies?
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Matt 24
14“This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
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Isaiah 11
10 "And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, who shall stand as a banner to the people; for the Gentiles shall seek Him, and His resting place shall be glorious."
It almost seems if it weren't for Israel life wouldn't be quite as disturbed. How is it that 4000 years of these people who really didn't bring much on themselves historically, are the matter that brings TREMBLING (OR TERROR!!!) To the door of EVERY Nation? Has Israel been a burden to lift? When lifting Israel
have those Nations face Trembling, and being cut into pieces? And how did the Bible know Nations would lift Israel? What Nations back then lifted other Nations?
Accurate prophesy?
Crazy isn't it??
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of TREMBLING unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it… For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of
the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle
Not if it is using Biblical quotes to support a Biblical claim. Its like using a fictional book that introduces a character and later kills him, and claim that those events happened in real life without any outside evidence showing that this character really lived in died.
Not according to anyone who is not Christian, or to many Historians, even some who are Christian.
We are not focusing our discussion on the supernatural in our debate, we are discussing history and accuracy in pre-written history.
We are discussing the validity of the Bible are we not? If anything stated as fact in the Bible is wrong, then the whole Bible is suspect.
Show me how the Bible isn't authentic to itself.
You can't assert if something is correct by only referring to that something. This is incredibly basic logic.
So we are looking at the possibility of Divine knowledge through its history! And through its accuracy in prophetic writings known as pre-written history or foreknowledge.
Feel free to provide any prophecy you want. However these are the widely accepted criteria:
It must be accurate.
It must be in the Bible, but fulfilled outside of it.
It must be unambiguous.
It must be improbable.
It must have been about events that could not be known by the authors.
There aren't "numerous divisions". There are a bunch of people all working together to find the truth a bout a very complex scenario where there is still much that isn't fully understood. There are people who have different hypothesis for now, but the idea is to work to get rid of the weakest ones and work with what remains. They aren't in different camps, and they won't continue to support their hypothesis if it gets proven wrong. They are also all working to reduce the necessity of interpretation.
Christians, on the other hand, the all have the exact same book to work with. A book supposedly infallible, indirectly authored by God, who is supposed to be a God of Love. Yet, they sometimes have vast disagreements based on interpretation. On occasion, they have warred with each other. If God is perfect, this should never happen, unless he had nothing to do with its authorship.
But its just your opinion that this is the writer's opinion.
Most of those points were factual. Numerous things mentioned in the Bible are impossible.
Also, you should use quotes and give credits when you are using somebody else's words. From this point on, I will not respond to plagiarism.
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You are asking this question to a bunch of people who regularly come onto a low trafficked almost unknown debate site to call each other names, tell jokes or ban people, rather than debating?
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Adding or interpreting scripture to comport with real world observations or rule out the many inconsistencies. Worse is when they attempt to twist observations to comport with scripture.
Here is a list of Biblical claims that are impossible, extremely improbable or absurd. There is also a link to a list of biblical inconsistencies.
But the Bible is an untrustworthy source. You cannot verify the authenticity of the Bible by referring to the Bible.
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How are any of your examples of "fulfilled" prophecies not vague? You used the words/phrases "interpreted", "some scholars believe", and "been suggested to be" as support. But none of those kingdoms are intrinsically linked to those symbols or metals. And there were many kingdoms all over the world when those prophecies were written. Its pretty easy to cherry pick the four biggest ones and say "see, the prophecy was true", but without more clear and indisputible details it sounds just like the prophecies of people and religions all over the world. And according to them, their prophecies came true too. Its confirmation bias. Any psychologist will tell you. That's 95% of all religion and spirituality. Making up stories to make yourself comfortable with the world.
As far as the Resurection there is supportive evidence that makes that probable for the skeptic and our faith.
Such as?
Millions of people endured loss of everything or martyrdom for Jesus and the Resurection.
That is an evidence, that holds weight and I makes the evidence credible.
By that logic, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism are all true too.
Just because people were willing to sacrifice their lives for their beliefs does not mean their beliefs are correct.
Your "evidence" can all be torn apart in seconds by any first year philosophy student.
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Evolution is an obvious example.
Your vague attempts to reconcile the two conflicting origin accounts in Genesis.
Your examples provided of "prophecies" which are extremely vague and could be interpreted in countless ways.
The weak arguments Christians often use when inconsistencies within the Bible are pointed out.
The fact that there are numerous different branches of Christianity that are interpreting the exact same words in various different ways.
The fact that creationists on other Christians claim to respect science but disavow findings obtained by using the scientific method but cannot use the SM on their own claims.
The fact that the Bible was "edited" at the council at Nicea.
The explanation that responding to prayers is up to God, thus making it impossible to verify their effectiveness.
The fact that when we claim there is no solid evidence for Christ, they point to writers who were born 50-200 years after the resurrection, and obviously never met him.
Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10).
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Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.
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(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to 13th power)
The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world.
This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the Jewish exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13).
Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile.
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(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 15th power.)
Inclusion of Facts That Only the Contemporaries of Jesus Would Have Known
We will confine our discussion to Luke and John, since these Gospels are the most generous in noting historical and geographical details.
As we said earlier, the Gospel of Luke was originally combined with Acts in a single work. The author, Luke the physician, was a careful and conscientious historian.
The accuracy of Acts led one eminent archaeologist at the turn of the century—Sir William Ramsay—to become a believer in Christ. Through his extensive excavations in Asia Minor, Ramsay himself made many discoveries showing the historical reliability of Acts.
Ramsay concluded, Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy; he is possessed of the true historic sense; he fixes his mind on the idea and plan that rules in the evolution of history; and proportions the scale of his treatment to the importance of each incident (6).
One of many striking confirmations of Luke's accuracy is his use of titles. The many titles that he brings into his narrative would, if he were careless or uninformed, most certainly give rise to errors.
He notes that when pagan opponents of Christianity rioted in Ephesus, there was more than one proconsul of Asia (Acts 19:38).
Sergius Paullus appears in Luke's history as "proconsul of Cyprus" (Acts 13:7) and Gallio as "proconsul of Achaia" (Acts 18:12), although the province was ordinarily known as Greece.
The local authorities in Ephesus are "Asiarchs" (Acts 19:31).
The magistrates of Philippi are "praetors" and their assistants "lictors" (Acts 16:20, 35), but the magistrates of Thessalonica are "politarchs" (Acts 17:6).
The chief official of Malta is protos—first man of the island (Acts 28:7). Herod Antipas, known to his subjects as a king, is designated a "tetrarch" (Luke 3:1).
And Lysanias is called "tetrarch of Abilene" (Luke 3:1). All these names and titles have been verified as correct, in some instances by archaeological discoveries within the last century (7).
Luke's accuracy is all the more remarkable when we consider the difficulty of his task. Roman political titles were in a constant state of flux. Moreover, a writer in antiquity could not check his facts by going to a local library.
Perhaps the most interesting book ever written on the historicity of Acts is James Smith's The Voyage and Shipwreck of Saint Paul, first published in 1848. Smith, himself a skilled mariner who retraced Paul's voyage from Jerusalem to Rome, showed that Luke's account of this voyage must be altogether authentic, for the writer is accurate in his use of nautical terms, and the events he relates correspond perfectly to ancient sailing methods, the capacities of ancient ships, and the conditions of wind and weather in the Mediterranean (8).
The only reasonable conclusions are (1) that the Book of Acts must have been written by an eyewitness of the events he reports, and (2) that the author was a stickler for accuracy. According to the traditional view that the author was Luke, the accuracy of the narrative is easily explained.
The writer was an eyewitness of most events following chapter 16, and for prior events he took his account from the lips of Paul. If Luke is a trustworthy historian in the Book of Acts, he must also be a trustworthy historian in the Gospel bearing his name.
"I said to them, “If it is good in your sight, give me my wages; but if not, never mind!” So they weighed out thirty shekels of silver as my wages. Then the Lord said to me, “Throw it to the potter, that magnificent price at which I was valued by them.”
So I took the thirty shekels of silver and threw them to the
potter in the house of the Lord."
(Zech. 11: 12-13).
This is extremely specific. All thirty pieces of silver are not to be returned. They are to be cast down in the house of the Lord, and they are to go to the potter.
You will recall that Judas in remorse tried to return the thirty pieces of silver, cut the chief priest would not accept them. So Judas threw them down on the floor of the temple and went and hanged himself. The chief priest then took the money and bought a field of the potter to bury strangers in.
Questions is: One man in how many, after receiving a bribe for the betrayal of a friend, had returned the money back to his friends enemies? Then had it refused so in order to return it, it had to be thrown on the floor "in the house of the Lord," and then had those whom he betrayed his friend to then used the returnef money to purchase a field from the potter for burial ground?
The flying spaghetti monster predicted that Steve would die on September 8th, and then Steve did!"
Do you now believe in the flying spaghetti monster?
One man in how many, after receiving a bribe for the betrayal of a friend, had returned the money back to his friends enemies? Then had it refused so in order to return it, it had to be thrown on the floor "in the house of the Lord," and then had those whom he betrayed his friend to then used the returnef money to purchase a field from the potter for burial ground?
You are simple minded, you can't be an adult. I understand your thoughts, and I'm not sure it's anything that can be fixed through a debate. I think it's experience and life that you need, but there may not be time for that, cause we actually are in the last days.
So I can only hope that you reread what I wrote a few times, and pause and ask yourself questions like, what was their experience, and how would those predictions make sense?
Like, I can predict my mom may have a heart attack over the next ten years, we'll she has high blood pressure and sometimes it's out of control. So I can predict that and be probably 80 % sure that if she lives beyond 95, she will likely have a heart attack in 10 years, is an educated prediction.
If you live in 1975, and understand the political climate, along with the rate of social, economical, and technical advancements and progress, I can make scenarios that are a likely prediction, maybe greater than a 30 % chance I'd be correct.
Spreading years further. Say you were in 1776, you could make a series of predictions for Americas future based on knowledge you have of other civilizations, and studies of governments, historical and current frictions, wars, climate, and political patterns. And you could have a high % of direct hits on some predictions, and also dead wrong in other predictions.
Say a guy goes to Luna the fortune teller. The guy is a single good looking guy, Luna could predict the guy would find of the love of his life in the summer next year, that's a deductive prediction of fortune telling. Almost like the Captain Obvious in predictions. And we hear every day claims of "I knew it!" "I could feel it!" Or "I predicted that would happen!"
There is a broad base of knowledge to draw from for higher accuracy of predictions in all of these types of predictions.
With that there is an acceptable margin of error that we grade on the curve as perfect predictions, making real prophesy equal to predictions, an then equalize prophesy, desensitized to the difference.
So when we hear "Bible Prophesy" we define it somewhere between all of these types of predictions that's our experience and understanding of predictions or prophesies.
But none of these types of predictions are equal to Biblical Prophesy. Biblical Prophesy isn't a prediction. It is pre-written history with a level of no allowance for margin of error.
The prophets prophesied times and time periods. They prophesied changes in political, regional, geographical, social, economical, religious factors and changes in peace and war. And changes in war. The Bible prophesied the rise and fall of Kingdoms, of Kings, and of Rulers. The Bible Prophesied names enemies and friends, and prophesied every detail beginning to end, all in the pages of the Bible.
The prophets prophesied with complete accuracy, all the time and often from no point of reference. No basis to dream up or imagine events. It would be like Moses predicting the Internet. No point of reference. If you have a phone you can dream up a cell phone, if communication by camel is all you know, your not dreaming up faxing or emailing a letter. There is point of reference for our imagination. Well the prophets point of reference couldn't have dreamed up the accurate details of their prophesies.
But none of these types of predictions are equal to Biblical Prophesy. Biblical Prophesy isn't a prediction. It is pre-written history with a level of no allowance for margin of error.
Or Ezekiel 30:10-11 “This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. He and his army – the most ruthless of nations – will be brought in to destroy the land. They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain.” In 568 BCE Nebuchadnezzar tried to conquer Egypt, failed, and then Nebuchadnezzar died.
Therefore thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will bring a sword upon you, and will cut off from you man and beast, 9 and the land of Egypt shall be a desolation and a waste. Then they will know that I am the Lord.
“Because you said, ‘The Nile is mine, and I made it,’ 10 therefore, behold, I am against you and against your streams, and I will make the land of Egypt an utter waste and desolation, from Migdol to Syene, as far as the border of Cush. 11 No foot of man shall pass through it, and no foot of beast shall pass through it; it shall be uninhabited forty years. 12 And I will make the land of Egypt a desolation in the midst of desolated countries, and her cities shall be a desolation forty years among cities that are laid waste. I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and disperse them through the countries.
13 “For thus says the Lord God: At the end of forty years I will gather the Egyptians from the peoples among whom they were scattered, 14 and I will restore the fortunes of Egypt and bring them back to the land of Pathros, the land of their origin, and there they shall be a lowly kingdom. 15 It shall be the most lowly of the kingdoms, and never again exalt itself above the nations. And I will make them so small that they will never again rule over the nations.
From Migdol to Syene. Syene, now called Essuan (Aswan), was the last city in Egypt, going towards Ethiopia. It was famous for a well into which the rays of the sun fell perpendicularly at midday.
The country from Migdol or Magdolan, which was on the isthmus between the Mediterranean and the Red Sea, was so completely ruined, that it might well be called desert; and it is probable that this desolation continued during the whole of the reign of Amasis, which was just forty years. See Herod. lib. 3 c. 10; and see Calmet.
It is probable that Cyrus gave permission to the Egyptians brought to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar, to return to their own country. And if we reckon from the commencement of the war against Pharaoh-hophra by Nebuchadnezzar, to the third or fourth year of Cyrus, the term will be about forty years.
The land of Pathros - Supposed to mean the Delta, a country included between the branches of the Nile, called Δ delta, from its being in the form of the Greek letter of that name. It may mean the Pathrusim, in Upper Egypt, near to the Thebaid. This is most likely.
Shall be a lowly kingdom - That is, it shall continue to be tributary. It is upwards of two thousand years since this prophecy was delivered, and it has been uninterruptedly fulfilling to the present hour.
Egypt became tributary to the Babylonians under Amasis.
After the ruin of the Babylonish empire, it became subject to the Persians.
After the Persians, it came into the hands of the Macedonians.
After the Macedonians it fell into the hands of the Romans.
After the division of the Roman empire it was subdued by the Saracens.
About a.d. 1250, it came into the hands of the Mameluke slaves.
Selim, the ninth emperor of the Turks, conquered the Mamelukes, a.d. 1517, and annexed Egypt to the Ottoman empire, of which it still continues to be a province, governed by a pacha and twenty-four beys, who are always advanced from servitude to the administration of public affairs. So true is it that Egypt, once so glorious, is the basest of kingdoms. See Newton on the prophecies. (Commentary on the Bible, by Adam Clarke [1831])
God's Word awesomely fulfilled. Egypt sank since the Babylonian conquest... till this very date!
It's context, and part of prophesy is in other sections. We see Egypt being laid desolate, we also see a specific area effected more, and a prophesy to inhabit it again.
It's further complicated by typology, mystery Babylon.
But the historic view is still seen in physical fulfillment.
The expedition of Nebuchadnezzar did not fail. We do not know a lot about his campaign in Egypt. Below is a quote about information found in Babylonian records:
Following the pacification of Tyre, Nebuchadnezzar turned again to Egypt. A clay tablet,[7] now in the British Museum, states: “In the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar, king of the country of Babylon, he went to Mitzraim (Egypt) to wage war. Amasis, king of Egypt, collected [his army], and marched and spread abroad.” Having completed the subjugation of Phoenicia, and a campaign against Egypt, Nebuchadnezzar set himself to rebuild and adorn the city of Babylon, and constructed canals, aqueducts, temples and reservoirs.
What we know from Babylonian records is that Nebuchadnezzar went on a campaign into Egypt in 568 BC. Presumably, the purpose of the campaign was not to conquer all of Egypt, but to harass the country and to take booty.
The prophecy of Ezekiel did not say that he would conquer Egypt, but that he would “despoil” it and take home plunder from the campaign. If that was the purpose (as described in Ezekiel 29:17-20), then it was successful.
We know that Nebuchadnezzar fought the campaign and apparently he was not defeated in battle. The fact that we do not know exactly where he campaigned and that we do not have a detailed account of what wealth he brought back with him to Babylon certainly does not mean that the campaign failed.
From the very scant evidence we have, we can conclude that most likely the campaign had success in that he harassed the Egyptians and took much booty with him which he used to do further building in his beloved Babylon. I am not sure why you believe that this campaign failed, unless you incorrectly interpret the prophecy to be a prediction of Babylon actually conquering Egypt, which it is not.
The Persians/Medes did conquer Egypt under
Cambysses, the son of Cyrus in 525 BC. However, the Persians were not the first to conquer Egypt. The Hyskos “The Peoples of the Sea” conquered Egypt about 1750 BC. After that, Egypt was conquered by the Assyrians.
The Assyrian armies destroyed Thebes, the capital of Egypt in 663 BC.
Eventually, an Egyptian dynasty was reestablished. Later, Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon became the dominant power in the Near East. He attacked an Egyptian army at the famous battle of Carcemish in 607 BC, nearly destroying Egyptian power. According to his own annals, Nebuchadnezzar invaded Egypt, conquering parts of the Nile valley in 567 BC and “dealt a severe blow to its supremacy and power.”
To summarize, it is true that the Persians conquered Egypt under Cambysses. But Jeremiah’s prophecy that Egypt would be conquered by Babylon was also fulfilled.
To be honest, this is not one of the more amazing prophecies in the Bible because at the time Jeremiah made this statement, Nebuchadnezzar was a rising power in the Near East. It was not a great shock that he was able to defeat Egypt. Nevertheless, God’s prophecy through Jeremiah was fulfilled, exactly as predicted by the prophet.
Since you are resistant to if God exists, have you researched historical evidence that make the Bible not credible?
And have you looked at the prophetic evidence to determine if there is no credibility for evidence in layers of prophesy that show a distinct plan purpose and direction leading to layers of fulfilment in order for accuracy, which I equate to greater than mutations and cell selection, because prophesy in the Bible is like cells mutating together line upon line to reach fulfilment of every layer through to the top layers.
Such as Israel being scattered
Then gathered
Then to flourish while around them is enemies who's lands are ravaged
There is, I think, a lot to obviously skeptical of. Supernatural occurrences that cannot be replicated or explained don't tend to be very convincing to me. And the fact that, for example, dinosaur bones that have been found are clearly much older than any human bones, suggesting they never could have lived together, as the Bible suggests. Do I have to go on?
Yes it is a history book! It's obviously a history book! It's Ancient history written in a book!
It's the most long term following of one group of people through ancient history all in one book.
You can even see the growth of culture as it progresses through time. It is an eye into people of that day. You can just imagine them living in tents early on like Noah, Abraham, and Jacob.
To houses and the Palace of King Solomon.
Here is physical evidence, please take the time to watch it, it's on Netflix. If you don't then you can't say it doesn't exist.
Literally the very beginning of the book. Also everything before the flood, cuz I don't think Noah had detailed records of everything that came before God killed everyone.
You really need to isolate proving some at a time.
Unless you actually really don't care to know, but then why debate if you are not interested in challenging your thoughts.
Opinions are not even a dime a dozen, if facts have no interest then there isn't much to discuss.
My point is let's give accuracy credibility.
Now I gave you a really cool documentary, it's pleasant and fascinating, it's not overly religious, one of the presenters is agnostic, merely excited about the finds.
Then we can discuss what other facts to credit or discredit.
If there is evidence here, then possibly we can put a weight on the side of credibility, and maybe even a few pebbles of possibly supernatural evidence.
But to generalize the text because something isn't explained, and to disregard merit of reliability in the basic sense, then we can't build to higher ground arguments like the flood.
Again I encourage you to watch this. My 19 year old just watched it and found it enjoyable and interesting as well as informative.
See documentary Patterns of Evidence for contradict evidence showing accuracy of Exodus Biblical account. I think it's currently on Netflix
I don't think Noah had detailed records of everything that came before God killed everyone.
1st of all Jewish Tradition, an anal group when it comes to specifics passing down word and writing word.
The Jews were picked as a people from the Adam and Seth.
To be a caretaker of the "football" through time.
There is an unmistakable directive, a play book, and the football is passed down the field to the end game, more like passing the "football" between presidents with all the details needed for the main operations.
If you take just Genesis from Adam to Noah
There is a ton in those chapters!
There is Prophesy starting from "Let there be Light"
All of those days are more than a kids story, God designed history and wove it into each day.
He gave weird details like ages and numbers, times, years, hidden details, etc. If there isn't a God the 1st writers were the greatest minds ever! When you take a piece of a puzzle and it fits exactly into 10 other scrambled pieces and you take numbers and its like sending every US procedure by Morse Code, idk miracles seem a small feat in comparison.
We don't have all the answers, and all the evidence, but the evidence we do have is pretty hands down all together convincing.
The question is will you ever have the opportunity to know it, or will media and atheists and yes the main persona Satan behind it all, effectively keep you from ever seeing it. Will they succeed in making sure you don't see it? Or, will you make sure you do?
fyi - day 3 is without photosynthesis - The Bible specifies this. And 1st plants without vascular were growing without photosynthesis. Which is interesting because an ancient writer who lived by the rising of the sun understood water and sun for harvest.
So why would he have oddly placed plant growth on
Day 3, and put appearance of the sun and seasons on Day 4 ?
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The Bible does mention large beasts.
And also drawings have been found and etched rock with dinosaurs on them, how could the sketches visibly show physical characteristics of dinosaurs?
Job 40
15“Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you;
He eats grass like an ox.
16 “Behold now, his strength in his loins
And his power in the muscles of his belly.
17 “He bends his tail like a cedar;
The sinews of his thighs are knit together.
18 “His bones are tubes of bronze;
His limbs are like bars of iron.
19 “He is the first of the ways of God;
Let his maker bring near his sword.
20 “Surely the mountains bring him food,
And all the beasts of the field play there.
21 “Under the lotus plants he lies down,
In the covert of the reeds and the marsh.
22 “The lotus plants cover him with shade;
The willows of the brook surround him.
23 “If a river rages, he is not alarmed;
He is confident, though the Jordan rushes to his mouth.
24 “Can anyone capture him when he is on watch,
With barbs can anyone pierce his nose?
Isaiah 27:1
In that day the Lord will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, With His fierce and great and mighty sword, Even Leviathan the twisted serpent; And He will kill the dragon who lives in the sea.
Isaiah 51:9
Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the Lord; Awake as in the days of old, the generations of long ago. Was it not You who cut Rahab in pieces, Who pierced the dragon?
Here is another one for you, answer how this is a coincidence, or inaccurate
Was Terrorism a Biblical Prophesy?
Was the Middle East Crisis a Biblical Prophesy?
Truth or Lie?
It almost seems if it weren't for Israel life wouldn't be quite as disturbed. How is it that 4000 years of these people who really didn't bring much on themselves historically, are the matter that brings TREMBLING (OR TERROR!!!) To the door of EVERY Nation? Has Israel been a burden to lift? When lifting Israel
have those Nations face Trembling, and being cut into pieces? And how did the Bible know Nations would lift Israel? What Nations back then lifted other Nations?
Accurate prophesy?
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of TREMBLING unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it… For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of
the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle
Even if they were, it wouldn't prove anything. I can predict with absolute certainty that in 1000 years there will be terrorism, there will be atheism, and there will be more people of mixed race. If that comes true, is it proof that I am God?
When we go to trial, we include every source of evidence all prespective, not just from sources that support a pre determinef conclusion. Investigation and trial without an independent fair objective investigation is a mistrial.
The determination is beyond a reasonable doubt.
After all the evidence is looked at, we all make a jury decision.
And it is applied to what we conclude.
After all the evidence is given an objective review, do we find God Exists beyond a reasonable doubt, or that He doesn't exist beyond a reasonable doubt.
If evidence is excluded from objective reviw, you don't have a conclusion beyond reasonable doubt, all you have is a mistrial!
After all the evidence is given an objective review, do we find God Exists beyond a reasonable doubt, or that He doesn't exist beyond a reasonable doubt.
We find that we don't have enough evidence to make a determination, but that there is insufficient evidence to the existence of God.
If any of you were to read this written by Darwin or whoever is your latest patriarch, you would have made him god by now.
BIBLE PROPHESY:
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of TREMBLING unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it… For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle
They are not hiding, the way you frame things is too tedious for them.......they don't want to plod through it, and they are being nice to you because you are a woman.
Try naming specific Bible prophecies which are now fulfilled history in the Old Testament, like the destruction of Tyre or the Great Flood which was a prophecy given to Noah and then fulfilled and is history......
Or name specific prophecies for the end times like Gog and Magog coming from the North to attack Israel, increase of knowledge, earthquakes, violence, atheism,..........military alignments foretold such as Russia and Iran, China and it's Allies......they are all lining up as foretold for the battle of Armageddon
These people are intellectually lazy and won't argue something they cannot google a fast copy and paste rebuttal....and they'll use some worn out stuff from the internet which they themselves have not studied and they'll act like they proved you wrong when really they are only ignoring your "message" and not honestly seeking the truth.
Future prophesies can't be used easily, because they haven't been confirmed in exact fulfillment and there are people who have their own ideas of fulfillment even if they are stretching.
Past prophesy is clear and is evident as history.
Future prophesy, even if it looks as though it is on its way to fulfilment, is still open since the event didn't occur.
So one looks back and can show actual fulfillment of actual prophesy.
My experience is that lost people will listen more to future prophecies as they are concerned with what is happening in their world today. Modern media is full of references to future prophecies, especially in horror and occult based films and programs......and the daily news is full of events which show the progression of things lining up in the end times leading to the Great Tribulation. I have talked with Russian nationals who are aware of future prophecies regarding Russia, how they will attack Israel and be cut down by God Himself and driven back to Russia...and they say "we'll see", to which I say, "yes you will see. It's better to believe it before God forces you to see it".
If you want to draw these ungodly people in to discussion, you need to be more specific in your OP.
Whatever you want to do, I just felt sorry for you not getting any haters or counter point debaters here, I'm trying to help you draw them in better so you can engage them more when you make a debate like this. I never have trouble getting way more people than I want to come into my debates.......most of them I don't want because they just talk too stupid.
send out an invite to Darkyear and he'll probably be happy in his bitterness to battle you on this ....he hates God and enjoys trying to spread anti-Christ misery
If any of you were to read this written by Darwin or whoever is your latest patriarch, you would have made him god by now.
BIBLE PROPHESY:
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of TREMBLING unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it… For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle
Really? I'm asking you to look at relevance to a scripture, and there is a clear refusal by atheist to not only see and skim the evidence, but objectively read it and answer to its relevance.
Really? I'm asking you to look at relevance to a scripture, and there is a clear refusal by atheist to accept a challenge and to not only see and skim the evidence, but objectively read it and answer to its relevance.
NO! I'm saying the only thing at the end of the day is that you personally weighed evidence, and you personally established a firm foundation of truth derived from weighing all available evidence.
And that has nothing to do with anybody personality around you, and has nothing to do with hypocrisy of churches or people who say they are His and are not, nor on people who say they are His and really are His.
People are fallible, they have bad days and Jesus said to Peter, You are clean because of Me, but sometimes you need your feet washed.
But your foundation? Will be a wise built house on a solid foundation of truth, or a foolish built house knocked down by the trials we are faced with in our day, and one of those is a flood of deceptions - which Jesus promised would be so severe, I'd time were not cut short, even the elect could be taken by that flood!
So now is NOT the time to follow man, or views, or anything without taking responsibility for your own foundation of truth, lies, or a mixture of both. The only one that will stand is on foundation of truth. So weigh it yourself, and tend to your own foundation!
I'm saying the only thing at the end of the day is that you personally weighed evidence, and you personally established a firm foundation of truth derived from weighing all available evidence.
Well, your actions don't work well with that even by your own admission.
And that has nothing to do with anybody personality around you, and has nothing to do with hypocrisy of churches or people who say they are His and are not, nor on people who say they are His and really are His.
If you are a hypocrite it makes it much harder to take anything you say seriously.
I admit our witness is important, but human nature judges according to human nature.
If mom has a hissy fit about something you did or didn't do, does it mean mom was wrong? Or that her method should determine the value of her correction or direction or advise?
Of course not, but kids young and old dismiss what mom says even when she is right, and some grumble at her hissy fit.
Same thing, the bottom line is still your responsibility to yourself to confirm your own foundation.
You won't be excused because I didn't say it nice enough!
The evidence speaks for itself, I never said I am in charge of your decission after it is weighed.
My challenge is to weigh it.
It's your choice to weigh it, and it's your choice to decide on it, like a juror. You are the juror in charge of your own verdict.
But if you don't weigh all the evidence, your verdict has no merit because it excluded evidence from all sources, and was a verdict of bias, bias to evidence that supports your predetermined verdict based on only one side of the evidence is a mistrial without a true verdict. Right?
The evidence speaks for itself, I never said I am in charge of your decission after it is weighed.
Agreed.
My challenge is to weigh it.
A challenge you can't complete yourself.
It's your choice to weigh it, and it's your choice to decide on it, like a juror. You are the juror in charge of your own verdict.
And the answer is overwhelming.
But if you don't weigh all the evidence, your verdict has no merit because it excluded evidence from all sources, and was a verdict of bias, bias to evidence that supports your predetermined verdict based on only one side of the evidence is a mistrial without a true verdict. Right?
No. That would mean that you could be a witness for every trial. You could claim you know something and be a source for evidence for every trial. We need to determine which evidence is actually useful and has a chance of being correct.
Wow then I guess you really are over 100 years old!
Good for you, your foundation is as you decided it is.
That's all, arguments over
Shake dust off and on to someone who doesn't feel they have looked at everything, and truth in foundations will have their tests. You have completed your test and handed it in, it will be graded, and if your foundation is on truth, you are fine with nothing to worry about.
You know what is funny here. I was talking about the word personally and you have changed the subject.
If I weigh the inaccurate evidence of biblical scholars did I do it personally, or would I have to do the inaccurate research they did in order for it to be personal research?
If I weigh the accurate evidence of biblical scholars did I do it personally, or would I have to do the accurate research they did in order for it to be personal research?
Since you are resistant to if God exists, have you researched historical evidence that make the Bible not credible?
And have you looked at the prophetic evidence to determine if there is no credibility for evidence in layers of prophesy that show a distinct plan purpose and direction leading to layers of fulfilment in order for accuracy, which I equate to greater than mutations and cell selection, because prophesy in the Bible is like cells mutating together line upon line to reach fulfilment of every layer through to the top layers.
Such as Israel being scattered
Then gathered
Then to flourish while around them is enemies who's lands are ravaged
have you researched historical evidence that make the Bible not credible?
I don't know. You keep changing what you mean by research.
And have you looked at the prophetic evidence to determine if there is no credibility for evidence in layers of prophesy that show a distinct plan purpose and direction leading to layers of fulfilment in order for accuracy, which I equate to greater than mutations and cell selection, because prophesy in the Bible is like cells mutating together line upon line to reach fulfilment of every layer through to the top layers.
I don't know, you won't tell me what it means to look at it.
You went to a website that claims that prophecies came true. You didn't do any research. You just went to a website that backed up your preconceived notions.
How do you think I know it exists, I've been a Christian for 30 years, I think I studied it 1ce or twice!!!
Guys - debate is a confirmation of facts showing support of your opinion. We can argue day and night "yes it is" and "no it ain't" till we are blue in the face.
It's meaningless if you have no factual basis of truth to show why your opinion is so wonderful!
You are a liar and a hypocrite. How can I trust you?
How do you think I know it exists, I've been a Christian for 30 years, I think I studied it 1ce or twice!!!
You have looked at someone else's work on only 1 side of the story and not actually looked at whether what the person said about the Bible was even true.
It's meaningless if you have no factual basis of truth to show why your opinion is so wonderful!
(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to 13 the power.)
And the crap you spout on evolution, your work? Are you Darwin?
Psalm 22 says he would be surrounded by dogs and be pierced. He wasn't surrounded by dogs so it failed the prophecy. And, being pierced is like 1 of 5 ways it would happen. So, 1 in 5 chance of fulfillment and not fulfilled.
This argument is a classic example of a crystal clear fulfilment of this prophesy below!
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” 11 Jesus answered them, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.
12 For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says,
‘You will keep on hearing, but will not understand;
You will keep on seeing, but will not perceive;
15 For the heart of this people has become dull,
With their ears they scarcely hear,
And they have closed their eyes,
Otherwise they would see with their eyes,
Hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart and return,
And I would heal them.’
16 But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear.
Taking a simple approach through records of Biblical genealogies
Genealogy to Moses - Exodus 1,365 BC when calculating years to Moses
1,365 for the Exodus which is in line with archeology finds shown in the documentary film "Patterns of Evidence"
Taking each age recorded for each patriarch's age fathering sons of Joseph, then adding 400 years noted in Bible that Israel was in Egypt, which is approx date of Exodus.
Joseph at about 37 when sons were born. They were born as Bible states 1 year before famine, Jacob and sons came to Egypt within a short time after the famine, sons were born. Joseph was 30 when preparing for the famine. Preparation was 7 years, of building up storage. So they were born in or by the 6th year of preperation.
Scripture then says Israel was in Egypt for 400 years prior to the Exodus.
Equalling 2,635 years from Adam at 0 years old. Years in Eden may or may not be included in Adam's age. I am beginning calculations where the Bible begins years calculations.
I started at 4000 years.
Adam had Seth at 130 years old
So from Adam at 0, then to 1st son counted in genealogies, which is Seth born to Adam at 130 years old. Each age is noted to Isaac born to Abraham at 100 years. Jacob and Joseph are estimates based on context of births.
Bringing Joseph had sons 2235 from Adam at 0 years. And famine bringing Jacob and brothers to Egypt was at the same time frame.
When each age of patriarchs to father sons in the patriarch genealogy we are at 2235 years from Adam at 0. We then add 400 years, since Bible clearly states that Israel was in Egypt. Final estimate of Exodus is 2635 from Adam at age 0.
With this simple approach, the Exodus occurred approximately 1365 BC.
There was a city referred to as Rameses spoken of in the story of Joseph.
People assumed Rameses was the Pharoah this was a jump to connect a name to a name in the Bible, but the Pharoah of the Exodus is not mentioned by name.
Pharoah named Rameses was possibly named after a beautiful place, like naming a child Paris or Austin.
Because you are going out of your way real hard, or you are blind Spiritually!
Biblical Prophesy all of it is layered in metaphors, and other events. So this is David speaking and is he a worm?? Well must not be God because David isn't a talking and writing worm!
Psalms 22
But I am a worm and not a man,
A reproach of men and despised by the people.
7 All who see me sneer at me;
They separate with the lip, they wag the head, saying,
8 “Commit yourself to the Lord; let Him deliver him;
Let Him rescue him, because He delights in him.”
9 Yet You are He who brought me forth from the womb;
You have to prove that you aren't blind spiritually to dispute anything I said. I claim that you don't actually understand the Bible. You quoting the Bible doesn't prove you know what it says.
