He was the only one that really ever tried to fix social security. His plan was awesome for Social Security. But like typical government most Libs who scorned it don't like to give money back to the people it belonged too like me or you. His plan would have gone into a Mutual Fund or Annuity and you would have been guaranteed that money at 59.5 years of age unlike right now where we probably wont get it and you have to be 62.

Bush signed into office on of the most aggressive bills for Auto emissions in the history of all Presidents.

Bush did things I don't like but when I hear the media and people like you throwing out stuff like that you have to go deeper than just whats being said.

I agree with you on the firing attorney thing. Bush was not a true conservative that I like. He also signed no child left behind which is a disaster and was to try to bring down Government run schools. His reform on illegals was horrible and so is Obamas.

Econ was my sub major and I have a masters in business on college so I do know what I'm talking about. I checked into the 250K it is on gross and on top of the taxes already they pay so that's a hit on small business. Obama is not doing everything to help he is stifling it even more. The whole mess started with Clinton when they opened up the lose lending so that poor people could buy homes in 1993. You use PBS as you mainstay they are government lobbyist. I like going to people who have no affiliation to the government like Peter Schiff. Timothy Geithner is a weasel and a tax Dodger and he is an Obama puppet I don't trust him at all. When you use references use non biased entities that have no Obama connection. I don't watch Glen Beck. Try to act civil on hear calling me names on a debate just makes you look bad. I can talk your ear off if you want to talk about money, bonds, international trade, derivatives and what that all means and why this adiminstration is going to make the dollar lose more value than any other inhistory driving the dollar to nothing. So watch what you say. I have done a lot in my life in regards to business and trading so I understand how things work, obviously your insecurity on your lack of knowledge shines through on your comments. I was being fair with you and by partisan and trying to meet middle ground with you, but instead you through your typical rhetoric around.

The last eight years was not Bush's fault stop watching MSNBC and go educate yourself on the real reason. No matter who was president nobody was going to stop the bond market from what happened. It was just unfortunate that it was at the very end of the Bush term if you believe that than your just an idiot. Do you know a lot about Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae I do they are run solely by the democratic party and I can go into more about that because I have first hand knowledge of them and the types of people who work there. They kept buying non conforming loans for years and the overseer Barnie Frank and Dodd turned there heads. There is more to it than just party lines Republican or Democrat I can give a rats ass. I have multiple business's one real estate commercial, I manage money for a company on bonds. I maybe not an actual economist if i decided thats all I wanted to do I could since I have a minor degree in business school on it and I work in the field where I need to know. And I don't know everything that would be very narcissistic of me but when I see your lame ass debates and can see that you are the dip shit yourself who is insecure about a topic that all you can do is go google it and then find something that suites your political beliefs instead of making your own educated guess, your just a biased person no matter what will always look at the liberal side whether it makes sense or not. Here's some homework for you why don't you go look at states that are ran by your way of thinking like Minnesota, Michigan, California, Ohio all of these states have had nothing but Unions and Democratic rule and they are now bankrupt or heading there. You won't find this statistic in ANY Republican state. So let marinate in your head for a while.

Uh he did it is well known and it has been all over the media as well how could you have not heard this? But because of Acorns latest events congress is trying to now stop the Stimulus money from getting there. Lending requirements are the issue of the banks and bond holders neither Bush or Obama had anything to do with tighter lending. Debating isn't stupid it's just fun to hear other peoples opinions. I respect your opinions and beliefs i don't necessarily agree with them but that's democracy, in some countries we are not even allowed to have such a debate. It's nice just to exercise what most people take for granted. I hope that Obama doesn't decide to go bigger into Afghan war instead get out.

Did you not read the Forbes article I linked to? He's providing 15 billion in loans to small business. Besides if you're making over 250K a year, then your business isn't very small, is it? "Boo-hoo I can only buy two new cars instead of three."

"almost everybody new before hand"

Not true. Some we're saying it was going to be worse than the administration's predictions and others were saying it was going to be better. Sorry, but Obama is a president, not a fortune teller. Even though the predictions were mistaken, the numbers would be even worse without the stimulus.

"Just like the cash for clunkers it was good when it lasted"

Programs like that are meant to break downward spirals. After you break the chain of dominoes and the economy starts moving forward, you can take them away without causing too much damage.

"Until the Ideal changes that the real power of the economy is the individual innovation"

Oh, please. Increasing taxes on the richest by 2% hardly amounts to a change in our fundamental values. Obama could raise their taxes by 20% and they would still make a shit-ton more than than everybody else.