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Has this website become *more* toxic?
A while ago I stopped coming here often because I got tired of how obnoxiously toxic the atmosphere is, but now that I'm checking in every now and then, that problem only seems to have gotten worse. Am I missing some new regulars that have been decent, or is it really going downhill like it seems?
Of course it is more toxic. The Republicans don't have a real candidate for president in an election year. Nothing good can come from people not being able to talk good things about their candidate.
You obviously erred. You meant to say Democrats don't have a real candidate this election year and nothing good can come from people not being able to talk good things about her.
You meant to say Democrats don't have a real candidate this election year and nothing good can come from people not being able to talk good things about her.
Sorry, but the former senator from New York, and former Secretary of State has to be considered a real candidate. Democrats are able to say many good things about her.
You're welcome, it was my pleasure.
It was your pleasure to look like an idiot?
By the way, which candidate is claiming that there biggest obstacle so far has been from their own party? Hmm.
Re: "Sorry, but the former senator from New York, and former Secretary of State has to be considered a real candidate. Democrats are able to say many good things about her."
Like what? She's a consummate liar? That she's conniving, scheming and duplicitous? That she's venal? That she's incompetent? If you consider that good then you have lots, and I mean lots to talk about.
Re: "It was your pleasure to look like an idiot?"
Idiocy is your forte, not mine. And, I might add, you wear it well.
Trump is an outsider and disrupter; the Establishment is having conniptions. I think that is a good thing.
Re:"It is an epic error to say a former senator and former Secretary of State is a real political candidate? "
It is an epic error to claim there are good things to say about her.
Re:"Also known as being a real politician."
So? She's still all the aforementioned I stated earlier.
Re:"Which is why I feel comfortable considering what you wrote as idiotic."
Classic liberalism. If you don't agree with me, it can't be that there is another valid opinion, or that, God forbid, your wrong (this one); it has to be that you're an idiot. Too funny! Liberals are so bigoted and myopic, and you make my case.
The rest of your comments are inane, banal and ridiculous.
You also said that because she is a liar, etc. that Democrats can't possibly find anything good to say about her. But, in fact her having experience is for sure something good that can be said about her.
The Progressive wrote -" Sorry, but the former senator from New York, and former Secretary of State has to be considered a real candidate. Democrats are able to say many good things about her." Then the Progressive wrote -"I fucking HATE Hillary, but retards like are fucking us normal people over. Thanks dick."
Shows how truly confused you Progressives are and written in your own words ! You can't deny that Progressive !
Shows how truly confused you Progressives are and written in your own words ! You can't deny that Progressive !
The real person who is confused is you and you deny it all the time. Everything you say is fucking dumb. When someone doesn't sound like a progressive the person who calls them a progressive is the one who is confused. That's how it works dipshit.
The Progressive wrote -" Sorry, but the former senator from New York, and former Secretary of State has to be considered a real candidate. Democrats are able to say many good things about her." Then the Progressive wrote -"I fucking HATE Hillary, but retards like are fucking us normal people over. Thanks dick."
Shows how truly confused you Progressives are and written in your own words ! You can't deny that Progressive ! You are too easy to expose Progressive and it is by your own words you show your ignorance !
The Progressive wrote -" Sorry, but the former senator from New York, and former Secretary of State has to be considered a real candidate. Democrats are able to say many good things about her." Then the Progressive wrote -"I fucking HATE Hillary, but retards like are fucking us normal people over. Thanks dick."
Shows how truly confused you Progressives are and written in your own words ! You can't deny that Progressive ! You are too easy to expose Progressive and it is by your own words you show your ignorance !
The Progressive wrote -" Sorry, but the former senator from New York, and former Secretary of State has to be considered a real candidate. Democrats are able to say many good things about her." Then the Progressive wrote -"I fucking HATE Hillary, but retards like are fucking us normal people over. Thanks dick."
Shows how truly confused you Progressives are and written in your own words ! You can't deny that Progressive ! You are too easy to expose Progressive and it is by your own words you show your ignorance ! No denying how confused you Progressives are !
The Progressive wrote -" Sorry, but the former senator from New York, and former Secretary of State has to be considered a real candidate. Democrats are able to say many good things about her." Then the Progressive wrote -"I fucking HATE Hillary, but retards like are fucking us normal people over. Thanks dick."
Shows how truly confused you Progressives are and written in your own words ! You can't deny that Progressive ! You are too easy to expose Progressive and it is by your own words you show your ignorance ! No denying how confused you Progressives are !
The Progressive wrote -" Sorry, but the former senator from New York, and former Secretary of State has to be considered a real candidate. Democrats are able to say many good things about her." Then the Progressive wrote -"I fucking HATE Hillary, but retards like are fucking us normal people over. Thanks dick."
Shows how truly confused you Progressives are and written in your own words ! You can't deny that Progressive ! You are too easy to expose Progressive and it is by your own words you show your ignorance ! No denying how confused you Progressives are !
The Progressive wrote -" Sorry, but the former senator from New York, and former Secretary of State has to be considered a real candidate. Democrats are able to say many good things about her." Then the Progressive wrote -"I fucking HATE Hillary, but retards like are fucking us normal people over. Thanks dick."
Shows how truly confused you Progressives are and written in your own words ! You can't deny that Progressive ! You are too easy to expose Progressive and it is by your own words you show your ignorance ! No denying how confused you Progressives are !
But it isn't just that. Outlaw seems to have started putting in overtime here (Incidentally, his "N---er President" debate is what put me over the edge), HighFalutin has doubled down on his "F--k" real conversation, just insult the Left" mentality, and FromWithin is...well, FromWithinning. But on top of that it now looks like the main interactions with them are other people trolling them with similarly toxic behavior.
Before, there were at least some decent conversations. Now, it seems like it has completely devolved to a bunch of people just trying to piss each other off.
So Progressive i am now living rent free in your head ! There is something called the 1st Amendment and i understand it is very disturbing to you Progressives but there is one thing you Progressives can't do is shut down my FREE SPEECH and if you think you can go ahead GROW A SET OF NUTS and Try It !
You have shut down your own free speech since no one has any reason to listen to you. You have reduced yourself to a car horn or a bell. You are just a thing that makes noise. You can't take away freedom of speech from a car horn.
"But it isn't just that. Outlaw seems to have started putting in overtime here (Incidentally, his "N---er President" debate is what put me over the edge)"
Create Debates of things you want to discuss and ban them right off from the start. Anyone else who plays that game, ban them too. Or just ignore them.
Maybe Cartman has a point. Maybe they are frustrated at their economic/political situation. Who knows.
I disagree. If you had a real presidential candidate you wouldn't have to call Obama the N word. If you had a real presidential candidate you wouldn't have to resort to just insulting the left.
They were doing the same things before they had a presidential candidate and they are continuing to do it now that they still don't have a presidential candidate. They are just upping the ante now that it is closer to the election. We could have an actual conversation if there were someone real to talk about.
No. I think they have a cult of personality to rally behind right now. I think they need someone reasonable. I don't think outlaw would have called Obama the N word if Romney was running.
We have a couple decent debtors here, besides myself. But the site has gotten to be a bit predictable.
Especially people like Fromwithin and Outlaw/Hellno. They are basically little more than cartoon characters. Caricatures! The comical and prototypes Reactionary Redneck Nazis who equate the term 'progressive" with "anarchist." they are more of a running joke than anything else.
Remember that great movie "The Big Lebowski?" That guy John Goodman played, Walter? Who was always going on about Vietnam? He was a Nam vet. He would always sneak into the convo something about him and Nam. Like when speaking about that blonde bimbo: "My friends didn't die face down in the mud so she could act like a little floozy...."
LOL.
This is how Outlaw and Fromwithin and Dadman are with their schpiels. Like you could talk about, say, Global Warming and Dadman would give you a quote from Revelation! LOL.
I miss having quality debates here. Instead this site is more of a blogspot and Flaming Exercise. Rants. Should be called CreateRant. There needs to be more enforcement of the debate-type exchanges. More banning by the Administrator for guys going off-topic or high-jacking threads. Any moron here can--and does--ruins potentially good debates by just inserting some troll post, and thus driving the whole thing off the rails into a flame war.
I realize that the site creator must be very Anti-censorship and Free Speech and wants to let us pretty much go at it, unimpeded. In a way I admire this and see where he is coming from. But time comes when some rules need to be enforced. Over at DDO where I used to moderate, a member can swiftly earn a 3-day BAN just for hijacking a post, like doing the bible-tract insertion I mentioned that Dadman does. See over there, he woulda been bounced permanently a long time ago.
You need to come back, Spartacus! You were one of the few worthy competitors here in debate. Don't let the idiots drive you away. I find that if you shoot them down enough, as I have done, they leave you alone and soon cannot even reply to your posts. They just slink off to find weaker prey.
Most of the decent debators left this site years ago. All you have now is fucktard conservatives and religious nuts who use this site to preach their political agenda or prosletize about their religion. They do so with zero interest in having an honest discussion about any of the subject matter.
I haven't belonged long enough to have a comparison of then vs now. I do think, however, that there are people getting challenged who were getting away with more in the past than they're being allowed to get away with now, which caused them to escalate their anger. It's not necessarily a bad thing. Personally, I've always thought ignoring the angry radicals is worse. People need to be confronted, they need reality checks, they need need to hear counterarguments so they have to think how to reply, which at least in some small way stretches their minds a little.
In other words it's more toxic because some of us keep standing up to people who often got away with just being ignored or not really having to dig deeper to justify the things they were saying.
Exactly. Most trolls are like bullies. They are cowards at heart. And the lack the intestinal fortitude of engaging in battle with a worthy opponent.
I have destroyed so many trollers here with my posts and rebuttals and links that prove them wrong that nobody tries to pick on me anymore. I back up everything I say, and I accept all comers. Trolls don't do this.
When I first got here, Saintnow; Dadman, and Fromwithin all ran rampant and unchallenged. Well, I have grown to respect Saintnow, and he is not so bad once you get to know him. He has a good heart. Such is not the case I don't think for the others.
But I notice, like you say, more people are standing up to them and pointing out the absurdity of some of their claims. Not that this is going to stop them or even tone them down. But this is good. We need some spice. We need a little bit of flame warring.
I would like to see more formal debates here. I would like to see a bonus point system for doing formal debates, and winning them. A sort of Standings for debate winners with our won/loss record. This is a far truer measure of our debate skills than is the leader board, where anybody can lead just be sitting here all day on their ass and cranking out rants.
Yes, agreed. A lot of people on this, and probably other debating sites, insult anyone who expresses a view contrary to their own. This in turn deters many to ''create a debate'' as they know the response will contain a high percentage of abusive replies. Also, many assume the old adage, attack is the best form of defense'' and come out of their corner fighting dirty from the first bell. The important feature is that CreateDebate provides an excellent platform on which to discuss a wide range of issues from current affairs to ancient religions and generally speaking the participants are well educated and capable of presenting good arguments. Unfortunately a few foul mouthed belligerent individuals abuse the site and in some way have denied it's platform to those who do not wish to engage in a mudslinging exercise. I'm certain reason will prevail and the gremlins will fade away.
You mean people responded to your rudeness and bolshie replies by giving you better than you gave so you consider their actions to be ''toxic''. Your challenge to the opinions of others was/is seldom, if ever an objective expression of a genuinely held viewpoint, but was instead usually an opportunity seized by you to pour out a torrent of meaningless abuse. People like High-Fuluting offer their reasoned opinion in a rational and persuasive manner without all the gratuitous mudslinging. Wherever your avatar appeared we could be assured of negative juvenile and subjective nit picking. Well, as they say, if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Now that you've gone stay gone, and use your other alter ego to plague the site.
I concur that debates on this website most certainly are toxic and not based upon the topics themselves but from where I'm sitting the juvenile mentality that accompanies the issues presented in debating. I was under the impression that debates were conducted by educated people with the ability to articulate their position in an intellectual forum. I however get the impression that if you don't agree with me in this forum and or my views then my approach is to attack you even if that means I have to berate you, insult you, ridicule you because the issue isn't about intellectual debating it's about being right all the time which implies to me there is something seriously wrong with someone's ego which I personally believe has no place in a debate.
The Progressive wrote -"Am I missing some new regulars that have been decent, or is it really going downhill like it seems?"
Is it all should be decent to "YOU PROGRESSIVES" ? Yes you PROGRESSIVES are the tolerant type are you not !If one is not decent to you and your views you become offended ! You see you PROGRESSIVES don't want to live in a world where you are offended because the Real World does not have a Safe Space for you to run to !
Look at the top two comments with the generic Republican and Democrat arguing against each other. Of course this sight can become mentally detrimental when you ask passionate people (who are the complete opposite) what their opinion is on topics. This sight is like a replica of most politics today. Division is gradually tearing this country apart, nobody is talking about unification anymore. The United States' whole political spectrum has become "toxic" and it is getting more toxic by the day.
Are websites toxic to the Progressive Left ? Toxicity upsets the Progressives and that is just something they cannot deal with as IAMFARTUS has shown !
But it isn't just that. Outlaw seems to have started putting in overtime here (Incidentally, his "N---er President" debate is what put me over the edge),! When you Progressives are attacked why is it you can't handle that !
I'm not a progressive. In fact many people would describe me as an anti social justice, anti feminist, anti progressive, anti cultural Marxist. However, your constant stream of ad hom's is very annoying, waters down any point you're are trying to make and generally makes everyone, including people who may agree with you roll, their eyes.
I'm not trying to be an asshole, just some constructive criticism.