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Have you noticed how the Left wants to keep spending tax dollars on failed schools?
If you follow the Liberal Left's Government's education agendas, it is always built around subsidizing their big government controlled public schools. People who want better schools for their children are not allowed a choice to use their school taxes to send their children to better schools.
As always, Big brother Democrats want to control your children's minds by keeping them tied to government controlled public schools. Democrats never care for the working man's problems. We are but tools to be used to fund their liberal agendas in our schools, in our healthcare, in every walk of life where Democrats pander to their low income voting blocks!
Democrats created Trump! They woke up the sleeping giant of working America whereby we have had enough of this taxations without representation.
When you talk to Liberals on issues such as school choice, their main argument is always the same. They say if we take money from these failed public schools, they will fail!
LOLOLOLOL, YES! THEY SHOULD FAIL IF AFTER DECADES OF THROWING MONEY AT THEM, THEY STILL DO NOT EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN! Democrats always say we need more money spent on our schools to educate our children. WE ARE SPENDING MORE THAN ANY OTHER NATION ON EDUCATION AND STILL MANY OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE FAILING.
It's time to use our brains. IT'S NOT A MONEY PROBLEM! It's a lack of competition problem!
What fool does not know that failed public schools must be allowed to fail and good schools must be allowed to thrive. It's called competition to any thinking person. Competition brings out the best in every part of life.
This is how Big Liberal bloated Government works. It's always about pushing their liberal agendas no matter how many deades of failure. Trump in one month is fighting to address decades of failed Government control of the people, and the Democrat Party is demonizing his every step. You see, Trump is the first President with the guts to fight the Liberal biased media and the establishment powers to be in our Government. THEY HATE HIM! THEY SEE THEIR LIBERAL SOCIALIZED POWER BASE SLIPPING FROM THEIR HANDS.
Trump is like a miracle! A man that is not a career politician worrying about his future political ambitions. A man not using Government to get rich. A man not beholden to lobbyists for his presidency and has no need to pay them off. It took a man like this with the guts and toughness to fight these power hungry extremists controlling our lives.
I hope he succedes and every decent Americans should be fighting back against these extremist Democrats and Liberal media whose soul purpose is to demonize Trump no matter how much harm is done to our nation. The people voted and Trump won. Just once in your arrogant lives, think of our nation over your failed ideology.
Like I said, competition is the answer. The failing schools will lose students and because of this lose federal money. This will be their incentive to either improve the situation, or merge with better schools that understand how to educate.
As with all Government no fault programs, when there is no repurcussions for failure, there will be no attempts to fix the problems. The threat of lost federal money is the only thing to make schools wake up.
Did you happen to notice how Colleges keep raising their tuition because of the easy student loans? When ever there is easy Government money coming in, there will be no incentive to cut costs. There will be no competition because Colleges have no need to compete with other Colleges when there is so much easy student loan money.
So the answer to your question will be as has happened in my community. Schools will merge or go out of business. The students in those schools will have to go to other public schools that know how to educate.
There will always be a majority of parents who send their children to public schools because it is free to those who pay no school taxes.
The goal will be to improve the public schools. Handing never ending tax payer money to failing schools is NOT the answer. Competition is the answer as always.
When it comes right down to the core reasons for failing schools,, I believe the largest problem we have in this nation is the state of our broken families. Without a Father at home, the children lack the discipline needed to do their studies and respect the authority of teachers.
There are few teachers capable of teaching a child that does not want to learn. There is no fear from the child if a teacher tells the parents because many tmes there is no mother or father to discipline. When kids come from broken homes, they are angry, they are rebelious, they are distractions to the children who want to learn.
Teachers can't even send a disruptive kid home because there is no one to watch him. These kids could care less if you expell them because there is no fear of a father to set the kid straight. The bleeding heart Left took all discipline out of the hands of teachers and principles so what we have is children running the show.
Until the Left wakes up to the moral breakdown in our culture, our children will suffer. It's not always the teacher's or school's fault. This is why inner cities have such a hard time with their schools. More money does not fix broken homes.
It will take a generation of addressing the irresponsible values causing our broken homes, before we will ever get a handle on all the problems in schools.
Ok. So the students who are behind, how will they be able to catch up to the schools that are better?
I agree that there needs to be some form of competition or incentive for the schools to do better. Perhaps a school that adopts to the community to better teach the children or perhaps a school that has workshops for parents to encourage their assistance in their children's work and education. But for the schools that fail, when those students are removed and redistributed, it will invariably cause a short stall in the schools that already have a....for lack of a better term....good thing going. So here's a few issues that would occur.
1. Cost of transportation is going to increase for the schools that take the students in.
2 Space will be a concern, most likely the quick solution will be to get classroom trailers but it's costly and not all city schools have the land real estate to add enough trailers to deal with a sudden influx of new kids.
3. Not just real estate space but space inside the building like a cafeteria, gymnasium and any other public area that kids typically meet will be tight and need to still conform to building inspection code.
4. The cost of food will increase. The school will have to find a way to buttress the amount of money they will be spending on school lunches and I will guess that the money will come out of parents pockets. Not all parents, especially those from failed school may have the means to afford it.
5. Teachers will need to be hired and taught the proper teaching methods, children will need to have special classes (maybe) to catch up to the current schools standings, if they even can.
We can't fix broken families but we can provide the means and the teachings for the students to have some form of education and option later on in their life. Teachers don't have the authority to punish disruptive students, half the time the only time a teacher see's a parent is when the parent is bitching that their lil snowflake can't possibly be doing bad in class and blah blah blah.
More money may not fix better homes, but schools aren't there to fix the homes, they are there to help the kids. So fix the schools, help the kids and show them they have a choice for their future.
Read your last sentence because that is what school choice will do.
The money saved from shutting down a school can be used to grow the better schools. They will not shut a school down to the summer shutdown. This is when changes would happen in other schools to handle the kids.
The idea is not to shut down schools. The idea is to make them better instead of inabling failure. School choice will make them better or else.
The "or else" is what I'm talking about. What about schools who are so far gone they can't claw their way back up with out help? If you deny them that the only one that suffers is the children.
What you are saying might have some merit if we had not been doing exactly what you suggest for the past 50 years.
With every decade we are spending record amounts of money on education and those schools you describe never get better.
At what point do Liberals grasp the obvious? I say never becuse Liberals don't care about our children. They care about keeping our children tied to Government schools where they can be properly indoctrinated with political correct thinking.
What other possible reason could explain why any intelligent politician would keep spending more of our money on failed schools.
You know the saying.... fool me once, shame on you.....fool me a trillion times, shame on all extremist Liberals.
So again, what about the children who have to move schools? How are the schools going to be able to compensate fully for the additional expenses? How are the parents who are already putting money into schools they like for their kids going to handle additional cost when the school has to increase prices to compensate?
It's funny. You keep trying to make excuses why trying something else might not work.
You are an example of the very Liberal I described. You keep wanting to go down the same old failed policies and not try something new. Like Trump said to African Americans.... WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE? Democrats have no answers for you. Try something new!
These kids have much to gain from trying something new, but keeping the status quo means nothing will change.
Can you look in the mirror and ask yourself an honest question. WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE by trying something new. It might just work!!!!!!!! If it does not work and your fears are realized, you will have actual evidence to back up your policies and we will go back to something better. DOING NOTHING IS MINDLESSLY STUPID!
Why do Liberals fight against school choice decade after decade? It's all politicis!!! It's never about what is best for our kids.
Quit asking what if it does not work out and start admitting WHAT HAVE WE GOT TO LOSE! Doing the same thing and expecting different results is a mentality of fools.
Not excuses. I'm giving legitimate questions to concerns any parent would have if a school had to close. SOMETHING needs to change, I've not denied that. But before we go off counting our chickens before they hatch, we need a solid plan and back up plan for something as important as our children. Expecting the worst and having a plan for it is better than just bitching about the issue and running off to get it done before you really think about it. Especially when it involves the growth and advancement of our kids.
I've tried seeing if you had plausible answers to the concerns because I genuinely want to see if you have some ideas but if you don't have any and want to fall back on your usual "oh you crazy liberals" BS (I'm not a liberal btw) then it shows me you don't have anything.
What have we got to lose? In this? The education, safety, and health of our children.
GOING YOUR ROUTE (whch is having no answers) HAS BEEN PROVEN NOT TO WORK!
LOL, you say we are running off half cocked to make changes that we have not thought through?
Republicans have been talking about school choice for DECADES and they have thought it through every way possible.
Democrats refuse for one reason. POLITICS, PANDERING TO THE TEACHER'S UNIONS FOR THE MONEY AND VOTES, KEEPING OUR CHILDREN INDOCTRINATED WITH THE LEFT'S IDEOLOGY.
Where have your answers been? All you've fallen back on is accusations. I'm asking you, because I have a few ideas but I can't fall back on them and say YES this is the obvious answer. So. What are your suggestions?
Here's how it goes. I have many relatives who would love to send their children to better schools, but they can not afford both their public school taxes on top of the private school tuitions.
We are not talking rocket science here. If it is hard for you to grasp, let me explain it to you.
Lets say my relatives are spending $2000 per year on public school taxes when they pay their property taxes.
If they could use their tax money to go towards the school of their choice, they could afford to send their kids to the better schools. WOW, what a concept!
The bad schools would lose students and the better schools would gain students.
There would be fewer students in the bad schools, so there would be fewer teachers and costs. The schools could be down sized and the better schools could grow.
Pretty soon the bad schools would have to decide if they want to stay in business. If the school made changes, they might actually start getting a better reputation and whala, people would start sending their kids back these schools.
Are you following yet? It's called competition.
Did you realize that one room school houses 50 years ago had one teacher teaching kindergarten through six grade. The kids still actually learned the basics. Go figure.
It's not more money needed to make schools work, it's called good teachers and good parents.
Say a school loses 50% of its students. The building is already there, the cost to maintain it is still going to be there. If they lose the money they lose the school. Simple. So what about the parents whose children went to the school that closed? How much more money do parents, some of whom couldn't afford the higher end schools, have to shell out? What teachers are going to stay? Will they need more government assistance? Where do the students go when the school is forced to close?
I TOLD YOU! They will go to the other public schools who do a better job. Those public schools will grow and good riddance to the bad schools.
Who knows, maybe they will get rid of the bad teachers, bad superintendents, and make the school better. WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN!
What we know for sure is that these failed schools never get better when not pushed to do so.
WAKE UP! We need to get rid of the teachers union and start running our schools like a business where tenured teachers do not get to keep their jobs if they are no good.
The main thing public unions do is cost the tax payers much more while keeping bad teachers.
Common sense! You need to rid your mind of the decades of conditioning by this far Left Democrat Party and start thinking for yourself once more.
They will go to the other public schools who do a better job.
My question wasn't where will they go, it was how will the parents be able to afford it or how will the school be able to adjust to the cost of additional students? Both in price and space.
maybe they will get rid of the bad teachers, bad superintendents, and make the school better.
You assume that all bad schools are the result of all bad teachers. Some of the teachers may actually care about their students, where will they go if they lose their job? Perhaps the schools that gain the students can hire but again, where is that additional cost and space going to come from? The parents who couldn't afford the better schools to begin with? What about additional transportation?
I agree that certain unions do make it difficult to encourage teachers to continue to be as passionate at their jobs as they were when they initially started (most teachers). We have that issue now with one teacher in Pre-K, but that's just one. For that one teacher, our daughter has about 5 other aids and S.E teachers helping her, and they are doing an amazing job. This is beside the point though.
I think with any job there needs to be a....culling...if you will of teachers coughcongressmencough who have just given up doing their jobs and are coasting. Again, not arguing that.
How will it (the public school) be able to maintain current costs with the additional influx of new students? Classroom size will have to change or separate structures will have to be procured. Transporting those other students will also increase the cost as well as the amount of food needed for student lunches. No, not all public schools are bad, but there will have to be huge adjustments made if say....even 100 new students arrive in a single year. So where is that going to come from?
All those resources will come from the resources that used to pay for the kids in the failing schools. Schools get a certain amount of money fro every student . The more students, the more funding.
And you think the additional cost of transportation, buildings, maintenance, teachers, food and so on, divided up between the schools that accept the children, will be enough to cover it?
Cheers to you. My final statement would be that no one knows for sure how it all would play out. I say again, what have we got to lose?
All I know is that I want the right to spend my school taxes toward the school of my choice.
The bottom line for me and relatives is not so much that the public schools are bad at teaching, but rather that many public schools today are having problems with drugs, sex, alcohol, and they need police to be at the schools for safety reasons.
I sent my kids to a private school because of this and it was very expensive to do so on top of my school taxes.
Forgive me, I missed a couple small nations. There are a few small nations who spend more per student than the United States. Austria, Luxembourg, Norway and Switzerland might spend more per student, depending on the criteria, because they have far less population than the US.
If you are trying to argue that we are over spent by the rest of the world, please don't waste our time. We spend more than most nations!
The point I am making is that we spend too much on education for the results we get. More money is NOT THE ANSWER.
Okay, I am not going to argue the relevance of your comparison yet. I have a more urgent notion to discuss.
So, for my following argument I am simply going to suppose that today the United States is spending too much on education. I am not denying it. I just didn't take the time yet to see if I agree or not.
Your observation of education (this does not include universities, right?) is not a false one. The methods and environment of public school is terrible. How is cutting funds for school going to improve that? I can agree that blindly throwing money at education isn't the most effective solution. It does make education accessible. Before anything we want people to have access to an education no matter what their social background is. Isn't the American value that every one has an equal chance to be something great. Making education accessible is necessary for that.
BUT I believe that the solution to improve education is more than just making it accessible. Just because a kid from bad side of town has access to an education it doesn't make it a good one. I believe that education is more than having good teachers, equipped libraries or qualifies counselors. The environment of the school is very important. The students have influence on each other. Students' family background is also important and has effects the kids' education.
To conclude,
I disagree but willing to hear your defense as to how just closing the failed schools will increase the amount of educated people?
There are other public schools that the kids will go to if their school should close. The money that was paying for those kids in the failed schools will now go to the next pubic school. This is not rocket science.
It's called competition and tax payers should have the right to put their school tax dollars toward the school of their choice.
With competiton will come an incentive to make their schools better so they can stay in business. As it stands today, there is no incentive from any Government run program because they are not held to account for results. They simply tax Americans more, or run up our 19 trillion debt more to keep the failed schools open.
Why on earth would you keep this insanity going? The free market has been proven to work better than Government many many many times. There should be no Government public unions forcing higher taxes on the people by getting their teachers better retirements and benefit packages than the tax payers who are paying for it.
Competition is the usual response to improvement. It is the genius of our system. People are going to choose spend their tax money on the school with most results. Shockingly those school are the ones in the good neighborhood. So, the glass ceiling gets thicker.
When a school in a neighborhood closes, the access to education for the kids in that neighborhood is drastically reduced. It keep the kids in that neighborhood uneducated. Maybe those kids those neighborhoods choose to take education for granted. Unfortunately, education isn't just their problem. Their education concerns us. These uneducated people can vote. The more they are the more power they can have on the rest of us.
There is a reason why schools are worse in inner cities. Most of the kids have no father at home.
More money for schools will not stop this hideous cycle.
This nation once lifted up the importance of moral values, strong families, until the Progressive left came long with their no fault anything goes amoral culture, censoring any expression of our Christian heritage from pubic grounds.
That was the beginning of the end.
We are seeing the results with our broken homes and broken schools.
Yes, fatherless kids is one of the reasons (unstable home environment). Probably, we haven't insisted on on the importance of moral values. But those values can be taught in school. And mostly why does the kid have to suffer the consequences of the parents' selfish and irresponsible actions? These kids did nothing wrong.
The thing is closing down those school won't even give the opportunity to those kids to have another example. All they have in their life is the example of their irresponsible parents. And like a I said, it doesn't help us to have an educated voting crowd.
I'm not talking about insisting on moral behavior, I'm talking about at least shaming behavior that leads to so many problems in our culture, and if they continue to do irresponsible thngs, they will lose benefits. Simple to people who can look at the results of this no fault Liberal ideology.
I do believe that there should be responsibility in the actions of those we support with our tax dollars.
If you choose to take illegl dangerous drugs and then get addicted, we will not enable your irresponsibility with welfare checks. In this way there will be an incentive to get off drugs.
Liberals will always claim how tough love won't work. They always hate any notion of personal accountability for one's choices in life. They are the no fault enablers because they want their vote.
I know you asked me not to waste your time but I have a question.
Wouldn't it be more relevant to see the amount spent in percentage? It is irrelevant (no?) to compare amounts of money when the currencies are not the same most importantly when the spending power is not the same.
For example, suppose France has 10 euros and spent 3 euros on education. The US has 20 dollars and spends 4 dollars on education. Who spends more on education France or US? (lets suppose that EUROS=DOLLARS)
I ask because I did check and yes the amount of dollars spent on education is bigger than most Europeans countries. But what does that tell us? Nothing. No analysis or comparison can be made. The amount a country spends per student depends yes on the amount of student but most importantly on the amount of total money they CAN spend and the currency. Quite a few conversions have to be made so that a relevant comparison can be made.
