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Having Cancer is Wrong!
Having cancer is a sin. People with cancer shouldn't be allowed to marry. They are sinners who will burn in hell for all eternity.
They are filthy and immoral, dare I call them...humans. Disgusting...
First they want the right to marry. What's next?! Next these filth buckets will want to marry dogs and rape children (duh...).
WE NEED TO STOP PEOPLE WITH CANCER FROM MARRYING! They need god.
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By now you get my point. Cancer, like homosexuality, is not a choice. In fact, cancer is more of a choice than homosexuality as it can be influenced by environemntal factors and behavior changes.
Yes, I'm glad you see the true evil of cancer victims. The only reason they have the disease is because they have sinned against God, who wants them to live a life of misery because he loves them so much. It amazes me when immoral people (COUGH, ATHEISTS, COUGH) suggest that these abominations be given any basic rights. I mean, what do they think, that they live in a country where the largest religion is about forgiveness and acceptance for all, no matter what their lifestyles? Crazy, just crazy...
O.o >.> considering before I was born I developed cancer I would like to ask you good sir, how am I a sinner before birth? And if you throw that "original sinner" thing on me than you too sir, should have cancer! :)
I can't help but disagree with this comparison, simply because I personally disagree with the premise that homosexuality isn't, to some extent, a choice.
Wow, really? Why? I'll link a video which shows how a gay gene could be preserved in the first place. I think that's the main obstacle for people, to try and realise how such a supposedly anti survival gene could be preserved.
Because I feel that if I were born with certain genetic predispositions that stirred up desires society found unacceptable, my genetic makeup wouldn't be justification to make my behavior acceptable.
Ah, in that case, I think you're wandering a bit off-course. ^^
Yes, I believe homosexuality to be entirely unacceptable. Now, to return to my question, would my genetic makeup serve as justification to make certain unacceptable behaviors acceptable?
No, I believe homosexuality to be perfectly acceptable. Now, to return to my question, would my genetic makeup serve as justification to make certain unacceptable behaviors acceptable?
Regardless of my personal beliefs, the question here remains the same.
Yes, the subject has no choice in their genetic makeup. So does that make their unacceptable behavior acceptable?
Yes, I believe so. As I said, if they have no choice, we can't be too harsh. That's not to say that they should be allowed to do everything without consequence. For example, if there was a child rape gene, it wouldn't be wise to let them roam the streets unsupervised.
the subject has no choice in their genetic makeup. So does that make their unacceptable behavior acceptable?
"Yes, I believe so."
Well, then, I guess this is where I disagree. In my opinion, genetic predisposition does not make raping children socially acceptable.
Edit: As you said, it makes sense that maybe we can't be too harsh. After all, genetic predisposition is something over which they have no control. At the same time, we can understand their problem without deeming the behavior acceptable.
I understand that this is supposed to be satire, but satire is supposed to have some truth to it (maybe you watch too much Colbert Report and not enough South Park, idk).
If the belief is that homosexuality is a disease that can be cured, then maybe your debate topic would have been... a better mockery of some religious views.
However, you're just saying "it's a choice, like homosexuality".
I don't think that there has ever been a claim that cancer is a choice...
If we're going to attack the Christian faith and how it views homosexuality, we must make sure that we aren't just having an Atheist high-five fest (in that, ONLY people who hate Christianity are going to like it just because it is anti-Christian).
I like satire that is well thought out and truthful. Not just something that is hateful for the sake of hating.
What the hell whong with haveing canser and for your info mah nan died form it
TRANSLATION:
"What is wrong with having cancer? And for your information, many men have died from it. Also, I can't read and don't understand satire. fjhsdkjfdjfdajkfhjak"
Thank you saur. The other one I though of was "Heterosexuality is evil!!" "First these people want to marry someone of the OPPOSITE GENDER?! What's next?! Marrying frogs, 9-year-old girls, and grand larceny?!"
If you do these things, you will realize I don't give a shit who I piss off. If they are idiots, that's not my fault, nor is it my problem. I have no problem with calling people out for their lunacy.
The fact that most people disagree with me is evidence of the sad state of humanity.
If you do these things, you will realize I don't give a shit who I piss off. If they are idiots, that's not my fault, nor is it my problem. I have no problem with calling people out for their lunacy.
Adding people as and enemy doesnt piss them off, it usually means they pissed you off. Your hostiles are who you pissed off, and you dont have as much as you have enemies. And i wasn't saying that you would care if you pissed him off or not, and even if he is incorrect, he definitely isnt an idiot. You would be the idiot for thinking he is an idiot.
I never said he was. I said anyone who believed homosexuality was a choice and could be fixed was an idiot. If he believes that (which I highly doubt) then...
I never said he was. I said anyone who believed homosexuality was a choice and could be fixed was an idiot. If he believes that (which I highly doubt) then...
You said that those who believe homosexuality cannot be helped are idiots. If you look at his response to pancake, you will see that he said that (referring to cancer and homosexuality) one can be helped, while the other cant. And i highly doubt that he was saying that cancer can be helped.
And i highly doubt that he was saying that cancer can be helped.
I believe that is what he meant. As I stated in the debate description, cancer can often be influenced by environmental factors and behavior. It is never a choice, but choices made can often increase ones likelihood go getting cancer.
I believe that is what he meant. As I stated in the debate description, cancer can often be influenced by environmental factors and behavior. It is never a choice, but choices made can often increase ones likelihood go getting cancer.
Yes this is true, but im not sure if thats is what Prayerfails was thinking.
Just kinda skimmed this whole tangent and yeah, it looks like there was a slight misunderstanding up above which caused you two to derail lol. You two aren't talking about the same thing :P
Apollo's original statement was harsh and arrogant. But, he also didn't mention prayerfails by name. as far that goes...you are correct....I wouldn't call him an idiot. Just a one-trick pony.
Being a one trick pony is an unwarranted and unreasonable description considering an modern economy is heavily dependent on the DIVISION OF LABOR aka specialization.
Also, being a expert in economics is not a one trick pony, business, finance, accounting and basic law are closely joined. It is true that biology is not something I would consider something of much knowledge.
I do have an hobby interest in physics and astronomy.
I would believe that I am not an idiot as well. Thanks for the back up.
Some things in life contain non-decision making such as cancer while sex preference is a decision making. Some of my friends, who are homosexual, have admitted to my face that being homosexual was by choice.
The same goes for female ethnicity, I choose to date the ethnicity by my preference. It is human action.
How is having cancer wrong my family members died from cancer the only evil thing about cancer is cancer it's self... And no it is not a life style choice ><
Well in all honesty you shouldn't of said those things. You know you proberly hurt so many peoples feelings for saying this because they or people they know may have been affected by cancer think before you write.
I didn't miss the point at all. I just thought that, looking from the perspective of my childhood when it was viewed as a sickness to be cured to today where it has become accepted by most of society, you unnecessarily called back to an æra of intolerance with far less respect and far more mockery than you ought to have had.
I realize that that was the point, but I still feel that he unnecessarily compared two states which are now viewed as being opposites but which, in times passed, were viewed as falling under the same category.
An individual is the sum of his life: the experiences he has had, the prejudices he has encountered (either against him or that which he has seen from afar), the people he has known. How could I do otherwise?
Parts of society don't accept it, and, until all do, I will continue to show the hypocrisy and lunacy of homophobes.
An individual is the sum of his life....yada yada yada....
I'm not talking about the past, I am talking about now. Homophobia still exists in society today.
How morally presumptuous!
Morally? I have no interest in morals. My argument is based on science and empirical fact. Homosexuality is not a choice. Anyone disputes empirical evidence based on morals is an idiot.
Hilarious troll is hilarious! Either you have got to be the most honest-to-God misled individual IN EXISTENCE (You beat out Hitler by about two votes. Congratulations), or you're a troll. In an effort to expect more out of people (and in an attempt to be less pessimistic about humanities future) I'm just going to assume you are a troll.
Did you not read to the end of Apollo's opening statement?
By now you get my point. Cancer, like homosexuality, is not a choice. In fact, cancer is more of a choice than homosexuality as it can be influenced by environemntal factors and behavior changes.
Having cancer is not a sin. It is a sickness and having a sickness is not a sin. Cancer basically once you have it, it slowly takes away your life and you die slowly and having that is not a sin.
Why not? Christianity has a knack for persecuting people for things outside of their control. I suppose if man knew what cancer was when Jesus was alive, they would have thrown that in there, as well.
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Neither cancer, nor homosexualilty are choices. Why does having/being either constitute punishment or un-acceptance?
Cancer is just a sickness that once you get your body slowly dies and then the cancer spreads through out your body. Having a sickness is not a sin its what we get sometimes inside our body when our body can't take the sickness then we become sick. That's just like saying having a cold is a sin.
Srom, he KNOWS it's not actually a sin. He was making a point. That homosexuality is NOT a choice, and yet it is seen as a sin. But Cancer isn't a choice either.
Oh, and people DIE for being gay too. There are people who kill others just because they're gay, and there are gay people who kill themselves because of the people who tell them they are sinning, disgusting, and wrong. Or whatever other word I'm sure you've heard used against them.
Actually I know someone who's homosexual but he's still not sure, it's messing with his brain he's controlling whether he's gay or not and he chose gay so homosexuality can be a choice... cancer you have no choice what so ever it just settles in random bodies not a sin.
well said Vermink, cancer is a thing we have no control over
and its not your fault if you have cancer, i possibly have cancer because my granddad died from it (RIP Granddad) well more or less the whole of my moms side have cancer, yet its not our fault its just in our genes.
My Granddad died due to cancer and he was a very religious man so ho you see it as a sin i dont fucking know. if you son of a bitch believe that you get cancer for sinning against god then hell is coming your way m8 just for putting this debate you have sinned. i have a bible in front of me now and i dont see where it says cancer is a sin......>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>REPLY<<<<<<<<<<<
He was making the point that people with cancer don't have a choice. Nor do people who are homosexual. And neither should be put down for something they can't control.
Someone explain to me how an active cancer cell is wrong. Did you not know that EVERYONE has cancer in their body, but something has to trigger it before it can grow?
What are you on that is making you think a disease that you (sometimes) can't help getting consisded being evil... It's like saying who ever gets chicken pox doesn't deserve friends, or if you get an infection you shouldn't get treatment because they did it to themselves...
I had cancer that developed in me before I was even born. There is no "original sinner" crap you can throw on me because if that were true, all of you should have cancer just like me.
I did. The logic in the description is... not apparent. What makes you think I didn't read it? I obviously did otherwise I wouldn't have put what I did.
Having Cancer is not wrong. It is not a sin but happens because of sin. Everyone sins. Sometimes things just happen that cause cancer. Cancer happens by many possibilities. God allows things to happen due to our sinful nature. There is no specific sin that causes Cancer. Its not sin that causes Cancer but God allowing cancer because of sin. Lets get it straight first: #1 God doesn't want any to perish at all. God wouldn't directly put cancer on someone unless he has a really good reason. 99% of the time there is no reason. God puts some things (diseases,cancer, sickness,etc...) on people so that they can live a better life closer with God. God will allow things to happen to people to draw us closer to him. God might use cancer. Remember that most of the time God will not directly cause Cancer to happen. #2 Sin will not cause cancer.
Its just completely wrong to say that sin causes cancer. God allows it to happen but 99% of the time doesnt directly cause it to happen.