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Having faith is actually smart...

If God is the most powerful and omnipotent being, then to oppose Him is? Not very intelligent. 

If you are hungry, and there is a chance at getting food, then to not take the chance at the food is? Illogical.



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Hello bront:

I LOVE your debating style.. We either AGREE with you, or we're DINGLE BERRY'S.. But, I don't expect civil decorum from right wingers.. They just spew.

Truly, I won't mind burning in hell.

excon

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Amarel(5000) Clarified
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You have constructed debates in the very same fashion .

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It's not right wingers dressed as vaginas, wearing hijabs, and giving the Islamic call to prayer. The left used to be similar to the current right wing. We moved left. You moved into the abyss where logic and common sense are shouted down, punched in the face, and kicked in the balls all in the name of a belief that believes.... well nothing actually.

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I'm hard to not love ExCon. Who wouldn't love all this? I've got the goodies.

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outlaw60(15265) Disputed
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Hello Ex-Con:

Don't expect civil decorum from you Progressives you just spew when Your Girl Hillary didn't win LMMFAO !

The Russians are coming The Russians are coming !

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If God is the most powerful and omnipotent being, then to oppose Him is? Not very intelligent.

If you are hungry, and there is a chance at getting an all you can eat buffet, then to not take the chance at the buffet is? Not very intelligent.

If God is all powerful and you oppose Him, that is? Not very intelligent

However:

If Satan is the most powerful being, then siding with God is not very intelligent. Given Satan is meaner than God.

If you are hungry, and there is no chance of an all you can eat buffet, holding out for one is not very intelligent.

If there is no afterlife, then structuring the sum of your existence around nothing, isn't a very intelligent existence.

All that being said, your logic tells me that I should side with Satan (just in case), eat actual food rather than potential food (thus starving), and structure the sum of my existence around life rather than an afterlife.

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If Satan is the most powerful being

Wow, you broke his brain with 7 words.

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If Satan is meaner than God and atheists side with him, Christians have the moral highground.

If atheists claim Satan is "the most powerful being" they aren't atheists and ARE Satanists(which many "atheists" are according to themselves).

Seeing that God created Satan and is his master, to side with Satan is illogical, and whether there is a god or not, for you to reject the higher prize and willing go for the stool sample by default is... illogical.

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Amarel(5000) Disputed
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God is omnipotent and omniscient benevolence. But he didn't create Satan. Satan is simply omnipotent and omniscient malevolence. They have always co-existed, by definition. You will not find God creating Satan in the bible. What you will find is God talking to Satan when he says "let us create man in our image". This agreement between the two gave us free will, the simultaneous capacity for good and evil. But with God being benevolent, it is more hazardous to oppose Satan. The best bet is to side with Satan until you are on your death bed. Then you should repent. God is forgiving, Satan is not.

It's the only intelligent way to do it.

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Hey, I've got no problem at all with you having faith. Good for you! People can believe whatever they want to believe in. Your faith is YOURS.

My problem is when that person then turns to another with a different view and says since they in turn have a different set of beliefs then they're evil dirty sinners who will burn in hell forever. And my problem is when the faithful kick science out of school and shove religion into it. And my problem is when the faithful want to be heard on a debate website but they routinely ban anyone from talking who doesn't share their faith.

Having faith CAN be smart. But being a d!ck about having faith is dumb.

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Ad hominem. If I am the biggest crap weasel that has ever lived in human history, AND you don't like it... facts won't change. Any questions?

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Grenache(6103) Disputed
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Again, professed trolls have no basis for rejecting others' quality of arguments. Are you a troll, or not?

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Faith in Who, Yeshua?................................................................................................

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If God is the most powerful and omnipotent being, then to oppose Him is? Not very intelligent.

Prove he "the most powerful and omnipotent being"...hell, just prove he exists.

If you are hungry, and there is a chance at getting an all you can eat buffet, then to not take the chance at the buffet is? Not very intelligent.

If I'm hungry I would rather go for the proper amount of food needed to satisfy that hunger, not an all you can eat buffet.

If God is all powerful and you oppose Him, that is? Not very intelligent.

How is this different than your first statement?

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Considering that your only options are buffet or starvation (and torture), you can't go for anything like that.

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Considering that your only options are buffet or starvation (and torture), you can't go for anything like that.

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sylynn(626) Disputed
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Yet buffet or starvation really aren't the only choices if you're hungry, so the metaphor fails. If I go along with it, prove those are the only options.

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outlaw60(15265) Disputed
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Who is trying to prove to you that a higher power exists ? You Progressives support Muslims so are you saying that their higher power doesn't exist ?

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Easy enough. Go on my profile and click on "The Beast is Strong with this one". That satisfies one of your requests.

The second request is met by understanding infinite sets. Within an infinite set, all things that can exist do exist within said set. In our particular set, the most powerful being can exist, thus must exist by default within an infinite set.

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The second request is met by understanding infinite sets. Within an infinite set, all things that can exist do exist within said set. In our particular set, the most powerful being can exist, thus must exist by default within an infinite set

Sets don't work like that, and I've already destroyed the ontological argument (you even responded to the debate).

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sylynn(626) Disputed
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click on "The Beast is Strong with this one"

No

Within an infinite set, all things that can exist do exist within said set. In our particular set, the most powerful being can exist, thus must exist by default within an infinite set.

Prove that it can exist. How do you determine if something can exist? Just because you can keep adding a 1 to any number of any length doesn't mean that applies to everything.

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Any randomly picked amount of food can be inserted into the analogy.

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Maybe, just maybe it's better to 'hedge your bets' and not completely rule out the possibility of an all powerful superior intelligence while you pursue your personal dogma.

The dedicated disciples of religious faith are taught to accept a humble and subservient role in life and this limiting faith leaves the way open for the ambitious and unscrupulous to be the rulers of the world.

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Ahh yes, let's waste hours, days, weeks, months and years of our precious time on the slim chance that you might be right.

Why not start digging your nuclear bomb shelter while you're at it since there's a chance that nuclear war might happen in your lifetime and it's better to take the chance than to be unprepared.

Re-read your argument and you might be able to come to the same realization as myself; That it makes absolutely no logical sense.

Still wondering if you're a troll or just an idiot.

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Nuclear war doesn't last for eternity. The latter will last for eternity. It's a false equivalency.

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How on Earth is belief in God the same thing as food for a starving person?

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As has been said by many other debaters already, this tired argument has been dealt with countless times already, so I will make only two points. Firstly, a truly omnipotent God would know the different between those who genuinely believed in him and those who only had faith to fulfill an intellectual wager, and would tend to look rather negatively on the latter. Secondly, there exist a plethora of different religions, which believe in different gods and whose truth claims are, for the most part, mutually exclusive, meaning that the "wager" in question would necessarily not be, as some people think, simply between believing in God or not believing in him, but would rather be between believing, or not believing, in one or more of thousands of different gods, with the wrong choice potentially carrying the risk of eternal punishment. This all, of course, makes the "wager" in question far more complex as its proponents present it.

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Supporting Evidence: source (internationalawunderstanding.blogspot.com)
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Google arguments against Pascal's wager. You aren't original.

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So prove Pascal wrong, or I'll gloat as victor, and post you as an example on the brontoraptor sites.

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sylynn(626) Disputed
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You can't force yourself to believe something. You're either convinced or you're not.

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Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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Google arguments against Pascal's wager. You aren't original.

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But what if Islam is right? There's an all powerful diety there that you are opposing, and you can apply the exact same argument to yourself. So that's different because...

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outlaw60(15265) Disputed
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"But what if Islam is right?" You Progressives just can't help yourself because you support Muslims and the Religion of Islam !

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I do support Muslims, you know, because they're people. But Islam is just as ridiculous as Christianity.

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It is right about a lot of things, but, I can dismantle your logic simply by you going on my profile and clicking "The Beast is strong in this one".

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