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Debate Score:17
Arguments:11
Total Votes:20
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Helping others is never done selflessly.

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Side Score: 9
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Side Score: 8
2 points

Though you may not want anything in return, you do it because you want to do it. And if you want to do it, then it gives you some sort of self satisfaction which then negates it from being a true selfless act.

Side: agree
1 point

Helping will never become a bad thing but when your helping someone you hope at least to be satisfied by your contribution and are disappointed when it isn't appreciated or the particular help doesn't workout. For instance, if you gift your friend an expensive pen and they lose it, you are frustrated. Or you pay a friend to get a job done and the job doesn't happen you feel the loss.

So there is a huge amount of goodness but it isn't completely selfless.

Side: agree

You never act selfless because you hate acting selfless. If you didn't feel good when beingn selfless, then no one would be selfless. But just because it makes you happy, doesn't mean that it's not still selfless, even if in the back of your head, you're doing it because making others happy makes you happy.

Side: Disagree
Bohemian(3860) Disputed
2 points

But just because it makes you happy, doesn't mean that it's not still selfless

If you did it to make yourself happy, then it isn't selfless.

Side: agree
chatturgha(1631) Disputed
2 points

You're just playing with the English language when you say that.

Just because you feel good from helping others doesn't make it selfish. You're still servering them before yourself. Feeling good about it is just a side-effect.

Side: Disagree
mimi(129) Disputed
1 point

it's our duty to give? sure yes , if you are living comfortably while others are hungry or dying from easily preventable diseases, and you are doing nothing about it, there is something wrong with your behavior.

that's why we ought to save the lives of strangers when we can do so at relatively little cost to ourselves.

Side: Disagree
1 point

Nothing you do can ever be completely detached from your wants. When you do something, first you feel a desire to do it, then you decide to do it, then you actually do it. Acting upon that desire automatically fulfills the desire; hence you've done something that benefits yourself in some way.

But that doesn't degrade the value of your act. It's not like an act is unpraiseworthy just because the actor happened to benefit from it. I also don't think selflessness should be thought of as an absolute term, seeing as how true selflessness is impossible. It'd be better to set a scale from selfish to selfless - acts that are intended to benefit others more are more selfless, acts intended to benefit the self more are more selfish.

Side: Disagree

The only thing that I ever do is for my own self interest, so if helping others doesn't benefit me, then there is no reason to help others.

So, if someone were to help me, I must understand that s/he did out of their own self interest rather than mine.

Rand
Side: Disagree