Hot Debate:Capitalism or Communism-what do you support?
Both these systems create monopolies,create markets for super-rich,gives little value to "unpaid community work" and "environment";create an atmosphere of dominance.
America supports Capitalism
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Russia puts votes on Communism
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Capitalism tends to favour the hard working, innovative and talented entrepreneur. After the reunification of Germany the free market prosperity of the democratic state of capitalist Western Germany was in stark contrast to the enterprise inertia and industrial stagnation of Eastern Germany. No matter how much it may seem unfair, capitalism will almost always be light years ahead of the repressive totalitarian states of the communist dictatorships, past and present. All men may be born equal, but to pinch and adapt a line from George Orwell, some are more equal than others. In a capitalist democratic society the cream will rise to the top. If all the money on earth was pooled, and then divided equally among the world's population within a relatively short period of time the previous wealthy would have their dosh back and the poor would be back to bellyaching about the big bad industrialists and rogue bankers. Capitalism is part of the natural order of things,'' natural selection'' survival of the fittest, or whatever you may wish to call it. To try to artificially create a society in which everyone is regarded and treated as equal is not only naive, but is dangerously naive. Side: America supports Capitalism
Capitalism tends to favour the hard working, innovative and talented entrepreneur. You seriously believe this? If capitalism favored hard work then those working three jobs, seven days a week, 60+ hours a week would be the wealthiest rather than comprising the lower to lower-middle classes. If capitalism favored entrepreneurship we would have fewer monopolies/oligopolies and more local businesses. Germany, etc. You have taken out every bit of relevant context to favor your argument: preceding and post-war economic situations, relative international support, internal and external politics, resources, pre-existing infrastructure, demographics, geographies, etc. Some are more equal than others. The irony of quoting George Orwell on this subject seems to evade you... The natural order of things. This I do not actually disagree with. I consider (pure) communism rather infeasible, at least at present or in the near future and certainly in nations where the capitalist paradigm is already dominant (i.e. most everywhere, to some extent). What I find incomprehensible is that so many people feel obliged to place capitalism on a pedestal in order to keep communism from being placed on one. Capitalism is far from perfect, and generally fails to live up to the glorified claims people make of it (e.g. "Capitalism tends to favor the hard working, innovative and talented entrepreneur"). Side: Russia puts votes on Communism
You seriously believe this? If capitalism favored hard work then those working three jobs, seven days a week, 60+ hours a week would be the wealthiest rather than comprising the lower to lower-middle classes. He mentioned not only hard work but innovation and talent. You have taken out every bit of relevant context to favor your argument. Hmmm REALLY preceding and post-war economic situations, relative international support, internal and external politics, resources, pre-existing infrastructure, demographics, geographies, etc Yes in both eastern and western Germany! What I find incomprehensible is that so many people feel obliged to place capitalism on a pedestal in order to keep communism from being placed on one. Don't you think thats because one is more successful than the other, or produces a higher standard of living overall, or is more fair because it rewards "Good Business"? Side: America supports Capitalism
Germany is one example. China also happens to another example. The benchmark of communism. Another totalitarian/repressive state you ask? How about Singapore. Benchmark for limited democratic totalitarian government. Failed capitalistic economy? Throw a dart at Europe. Examples mean bupkiss. Totalitarianism takes a visionary that can actually accomplish stuff instead of just looting the country. This is why most totalitarians fail. Communists have mostly been totalitarian in practice, even though communism is a socialist offshoot. Totalitarian technocrats seemed to have done well in recent history. Capitalism takes a wealth of resources and nationalism to get going. Any resource poor developing country cannot foster under democratic leadership in a capitalistic economy. Democracy requires compromise and nationalism. Capitalism promotes self interest. Opposing forces that can only be tied together by an invisible hand. When you are living in a poor developing country, self interest and survival tend to have greater priority, hence the term "first world problems". Side: Russia puts votes on Communism
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Absolutely capitalism. Communism drains the excitement from life. If everyone has the same standard of life and their are neither rich nor poor then there is no incentive to work hard. Also if the state owns all property it takes away the possibilities that starting or running an independent business gives people. It goes against human nature as it is natural for humans to be greedy. Communism never has worked and never will. Side: America supports Capitalism
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Hard work is an end to wealth because even if you are not from a privileged background you can work hard in your education, get into a really good University, get a good degree in a subject that isn't mickey mouse and then get a good job and then work hard there and work your way up and then you will end up with a good amount of disposable income. Whereas say if you put no work in your education and fail academically then do some easy, crappy job and not even apply much effort there then you wont. You should care about hard work because it is what makes you not a worthless, lazy oaf. You should care about wealth to some degree as it helps you to live a comfortable and enjoyable life but in my opinion not too much otherwise you would be shallow. Side: Russia puts votes on Communism
Capitalism assumes everyone is willing to work hard enough to "make it" in the capitalist system, which is hardly true as should be abundantly evident by the higher rates of poverty and income inequality common in more purely capitalist economies. Capitalism situates wealth as its own ends, rather than as a means to other ends. Ostensibly, communism could overcome that fault by negating wealth. Capitalism creates stiff barriers to entrepreneurship by creating a structure that inherently favors monopolization and oligopolies. The majority of new businesses are not ultimately successful within communism. Ostensibly, within communism business would function on merit of its end product rather than the wealth it generates. All of that said... you will note my use of the word "ostensibly" prefacing everything regarding communism. My primary objection with your argument is not that I think communism is better (I actually agree that it is likely impossible to implement), but rather with your apparent celebration of the assumed merits of capitalism which is itself terribly flawed. The best economy is a balanced one which takes from both economic schools without being beholden to either (which is itself an ideal, though arguably more attainable than either pure capitalism or pure communism). Side: Russia puts votes on Communism
Roars of laughter from the back stalls. Poor old jaceless shouldn't be underestimated. He can log on to Google, print off and reproduce the opinions of others and then illegally counterfeit the original author's script. His attempts to make such copies seem all his own creation by interjecting other people's work with his own amateurish drivel doesn't fool anyone. Such low life phonies shouldn't be permitted access to a quality site as CreateDebate. Side: America supports Capitalism
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Whilst the ideology of Marx and Lennin advocated a socioeconomic structure that was supposed to create a system of common ownership and endeavour with the elimination of social classes and control by the state, no country has actually succeeded in achieving a true communist society. The success of capitalism is quite clearly defined in its capacity for growth, however, it is not always sustainable, so even that structure is not without its faults. Side: Russia puts votes on Communism
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Capitalism and Communism both create an air of dominance,assisting the big businessmen and top-class entrepreneur to develop major markets in their country.Neither of them does anything that uplifts the common standards but if I go by the actual ideology of Marx and Engels then I would certainly put my vote on Communism. Side: Russia puts votes on Communism
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