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There is a God There isn't a God
Debate Score:25
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Ended:07/27/15
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How I KNOW there's no God

I assert for a fact that there is no God, because:

 

If there is a God, why are some people born with parents who provide them with millions of dollars and trust funds, thereby making it so these people do not have to work?

 

Why are people born with deformities?

 

Why are people born gay when it isn't feasible for them to have kids based on biology, causing people who feel this way to face discrimination and problems in life?

 

Why can't some people get jobs, no matter how hard they try?

 

Why do some people escape wars unhurt while others get schrappnel in their back, lose limbs and are stuck with Post Traumatic stress disorder?

 

Why do bad things happen to good people?

 

Why do some people work their whole lives and become wealthy only to lose their wealth to somebody like Bernard Madoff?

 

Why doesn't praying always work?

 

Why does mental illness exist?

 

If he or she does exist, why would he choose some people to just get screwed in life while others go onto to have successful happy lives?

 

Why do bullies exist?

 

I look forward to your responded, because there's so many negative things going on in the world, that I don't think anything can convince me.

There is a God

Side Score: 13
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There isn't a God

Side Score: 12

None of that is evidence that there is no god. Any attempt to assert the existence or non-existence of a god and or gods based on moral observations is not going to do any logical work, as even if a god and or gods existed, who is to say we would (or could) know what their motivations are?

For all you know, there is a god that functions more like the Deists "Clockmaker" analogy: Created existence, then left everything alone.

Side: There is a God
1 point

Right. Put another way, showing that God is not what you think God should be does not disprove the existence of God as such. We cannot make a logical argument against God based on how we want the world to be in contrast to how it is. This is not meant to be a position of proof of God.

Side: There is a God
2 points

God is just good with out the O. Which means he isn't actually good. There ya go. :D

Side: There is a God
1 point

noun

1.

the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

2.

the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute:

the God of Islam.

3.

(lowercase) one of several deities, especially a male deity, presiding over some portion of worldly affairs.

4.

(often lowercase) a supreme being according to some particular conception:

the god of mercy.

5.

Christian Science. the Supreme Being, understood as Life, Truth, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle.

6.

(lowercase) an image of a deity; an idol.

7.

(lowercase) any deified person or object.

8.

(often lowercase) Gods, Theater.

the upper balcony in a theater.

the spectators in this part of the balcony.

For definitions of God.

1. Maybe

2. Depends on attribute

4. Depends on conception

5. Probably not.

8. Yes

Looks like the only version of God to definitely exist is "Gods, Theater.

the upper balcony in a theater.

the spectators in this part of the balcony."

Supporting Evidence: God (dictionary.reference.com)
Side: There is a God
1 point

1.Why are people born with deformities?

To show that however you look you can still be happy and live a happy life and the people that don't it's because they don't let themselves have a happy life

2.Why can't people get jobs no matter how hard they try?

Maybe there not trying hard enough and it's how life is. Some people do get jobs , some people don't. If everyone was supposed to get a job there would barely be no poverty and so people would live selfishly and always be hungry for money it's just too easy.

3.Why do some people escape wars unhurt while others get shrapnel in their backs, lose limbs and are stuck with post traumatic stress disorder?

Again. it's life luck and chance. If wars were so safe that everyone wouldn't mind trying out there wouldn't even be any wars and if there weren't wars any wars people would have a boring life and would have no great memories of the time whoever beat whoever, children ( especially boys) wouldn't have any fun pretending to fight each other and have fun. Of course it would be easier without wars but that's just the way God wanted it to be it's not his fault anything happened it's the fault of the person who started it.

4. Why do some people work their whole lives and become wealthy only to lose their wealth to people like Bernard Madoff?

Oh no hard luck you just went from being rich to normal poor you. Also , for a reason and it's their fault for loosing it to someone like that in the first place.

5. Why do bullies exist?

Everyone's born with a personality, if everyone had the same personality might as well make one person on earth. Bullies are,are when they are sad and let out their anger on other people to make them feel better about themselves. They are sad , why? Because of whatever is happening at home. The personality of their parents reflect on their child/children so if a parent just doesn't care about anything including their child/children th their child/children will feel not important therefore will make someone less important than themselves by hurting them or if the parents are rich and selfish then their child/children will take advantage of that to bully lesser kids. Its not just sad children who bully and take this , if two parents are poor but extremely kind and generous then it doesn't matter how hard they are struggling because their child will act like them , there his/hers role model. But then why are parents like that anyway... Because that's just how they are and how they were brought up and made through a lot of generations. God had to make people different so different that even bullies are made but it's done for the benefit of everyone so they can meet and have fun with people who are different and not just different by personality.

6. Why does mental illness exist?

Mental disorders are usually defined by a combonation of how a person feels , acts , thinks or perceives. It's not gods fault and if he made everyone fine without problems they wouldnt learn anything and let alone the most important things they would never know like sadness, sympathy, or feel sorry for anyone and lots more emotions.

7.Why doesn't praying work?

If everything went according to plan for you and praying did work people would take advantage of that fact and ask God for useless things regardlesess of he did them or not he just didn't want people to take it for granted. Praying does work but only to those who really need it! It's very rare that people extremely need use for it to work so people think that it doesn't work because it happens very rarely.

8. If he/she does exist why would he chose some people just to get screwed in life while others go on to have happy successful lives?

So we can learn and know not and how not to make any mistakes on how to screw up your own life. Also if someone does everything to screw up their own life God can't do anything about it it's their choice not his , if he knew he had to do something about it he would of done it. I agree it's. It fair but it's just how it's , God doesn't chose anything for you except the world you live in and whatever world you think you live in change it if you don't like it but are there for a reason.

Hoped this helped!đŸ˜‹đŸ‘đŸ»

Side: There is a God
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If there is a God, why are some people born with parents who provide them with millions of dollars and trust funds, thereby making it so these people do not have to work?

Well celebrity parents reproduce the same way poor people reproduce. A baby is bound to be born into that rich lifestyle, the same way a baby is bound to be born in a poor lifestyle. People's circumstances don't disprove God, who has nothing to do with it.

Why are people born with deformities?

Scientifically speaking, there are chances where information of a DNA can be absent, resulting into some unwanted traits, but God talks about how people are to use those challenges to humble themselves. Moses couldn't put together a sentence to save his life, but God turned him into perhaps the most prominent prophet in the OT. I was born with pectus excavatum, but I'm not blaming it on God for what He has nothing to do with.

Why are people born gay when it isn't feasible for them to have kids based on biology, causing people who feel this way to face discrimination and problems in life?

That's to assume people are born gay. Karl-Maria Kertbeny coined the word homosexual in a 1868 letter. Throughout all millenia, homosexuality was studied as behavior rather than identity. It wasn't until the sexual revolution began uprising that people were making claims that they were born gay. It's all incredibly inaccurate, and Dr. Andrew Cummings, former president of the APA, had already admitted that gay science was never a thing and the removal of homosexuality from APA studies was due to political pressure. Read "After the Ball".

Why can't some people get jobs, no matter how hard they try?

Why can't some people be rich no matter how hard they try? Read the story of Dani Johnson and then tell me what the word "try" is defined as.

Why do some people escape wars unhurt while others get schrappnel in their back, lose limbs and are stuck with Post Traumatic stress disorder?

Think about this. If you and your spouse went away for the weekend and your 18-year old son kept control at home. You tell him to keep things clean, don’t cause trouble, and keep everything peaceful. 3 days later you come home and you see broken windows, beat up cars, garbage in the yard, money had been stolen, people were put into hospitals because a brawl broke out, and alcohol and drugs laying around because your son threw a party when you were away. You ask him “what did you do? Did you not do what I told you to do?” and your son says “dad, if you never left this wouldn’t have happened.” Do you truly believe you’re going to let that slide as an excuse and take the blame for something that you had 0 responsibilities in? That’s what this particular question seems to be asking, that God if you never gave us control then none of this would have happened.” It’s inexcusable.

Why do bad things happen to good people?

Christ was crucified by the Roman Empire because He was sinless. Talk about bad things happen to good people. Even Jesus had terrible things happen to Him and He was perfect.

Why do some people work their whole lives and become wealthy only to lose their wealth to somebody like Bernard Madoff?

This question should go into the political section.

Why doesn't praying always work?

People pray to get the goodie-goodies from God. The purpose of prayer is to draw closer to God and to get us in the habit of modeling ourselves after Jesus Christ, not to win the power ball or a Ferrari.

Why does mental illness exist?

Christ makes it clear that those who give love their sin will be given up by God to reprobate minds. Paul defines the word “reprobate” to be “resistant to truth” so people who have reprobate minds will give into sin, eventually becoming mental illnesses. Also, psychologists have already admitted they simply listen to a patient and then throw in their 2 cents. Mental illnesses have a very thin scientific foundation but most of it all comes from self-control and checking yourself.

If he or she does exist, why would he choose some people to just get screwed in life while others go onto to have successful happy lives?

In connecting to a previous question of yours, circumstances of people have nothing to do with whether or not God exists. The ones who have the most faith in God are poor people. You’d think they’d be angry at God for their circumstances but I suppose being homeless makes you see things in a different light.

Why do bullies exist?

The same reason killers, liars, and thieves exist. Because the world is drenched with sinful people.

Your disbelief in God is coming from a lack of hope, it seems. I can evaluate further on why Christ is hope but that’s up to you if you want to hear it.

Side: There is a God
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

don't disprove God, who has nothing to do with it.

So, if God exists or God doesn't exist the world is the same.

but I'm not blaming it on God for what He has nothing to do with.

So, if God exists or God doesn't exist the world is the same.

that God if you never gave us control then none of this would have happened.” It’s inexcusable.

So, if God exists or God doesn't exist the world is the same.

Your disbelief in God is coming from a lack of hope, it seems. I can evaluate further on why Christ is hope but that’s up to you if you want to hear it.

No, your faith in God comes from a lack of hope. You believe there is no hope of ever living in a world without killers, liars, and thieves. How is that hope?

Side: There isn't a God
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As Kierkegaard pointed out, ultimately whither or not you believe in God is not based on any kind of argument but faith alone. Before you look at the "argument" you have faith for or against standing in the way dictating what you will think. Science shows now that most all of what we believe is purely emotional. (source)

Your standard Christian can get out of the problem of evil by dismissing it as an "intellectual puzzle", suggesting that the Bibles main theme is Gods handling of evil, and the doctrine of free-will also challenges the problem of evil. Hindus view the universe as a play, the dream of god unfolding. Evil is of course a part of it and in this view wouldn't challenge His existence. Gnostics mythically believed that our world was created by a demigod (YHWH) and therefore is corruptible, but not the product of the real God. Universalist Christians believe that ultimately everyone will be saved, so what you are experiencing now in terms of suffering is only part of a process that ultimately leads to good. So doctrine and definition are important.

Side: There is a God
1 point

Why doesn't praying always work?

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god answers all prayers....

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sometimes the answer is NO!

Side: There is a God
3 points

There are more compelling arguments for no God. The one that killed my faith is where in the unknown vastness of our perceived universe its sooooo unlikely that a creator would bother to visit out tiny speck of dust in so small a solar system in such an average galaxy among the billions of same and insist on our worship ------ really!

Side: There isn't a God
flewk(1193) Clarified
1 point

Many religious practitioners adopt an geocentric view which makes this spec of dust extremely important.

Side: There is a God
Nomoturtle(857) Clarified
1 point

hey, i am important!!! .

Side: There is a God
1 point

I would have to argue that it is the height of conceit that human animals believe we are special and our creation is the result of a deity

It is not that long ago in ancient history that we had a god for every aspect and the fact that we reduced this to monotheism is simply the work of our false sense of superiority that human animals can redesign creation.

That is the crunch. We are "animals" not beings and unlike any other mammal we just happened to evolve more than the others to become the most arrogant and dominant species.

Side: There isn't a God
1 point

wow, you provided a lot of evidence there, unfortunately that only proves that were a god to exist they are not benevolent in the way we want him to be, not that he doesn't exist. if you want to get further than this, you'll have to disprove that god works in mysterious ways...

Side: There isn't a God
1 point

"Mysterious ways" are simply coincidental episodes of random acts of benevolence or maleficence or literally being in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the wrong time.

Miracles and mysterious ways are simply terms we use to avoid accepting that benevolence or maleficence are often just down to good or bad luck....!

Side: There isn't a God
1 point

well, by mysterious ways i was referring to negative occurrences being part of a greater benevolent scheme from god. i've heard this one pulled far too many times.

Side: There isn't a God
1 point

I asked God to give me a sign that he existed by depositing ÂŁ50 million in a Swiss bank account in my name. As no such account was ever opened I now know that there is no God.

Side: There isn't a God
1 point

God is just a product of our imagination,in fact there is no physical God. Now we don't need God to understand how our body works, how our nature works , how our universe works, 4 forces are governing our universe - gravitation , strong nuclear force, weak nuclear force and Magnetic force . And even if there is a God , he cant disobey the Laws of physics . GOD On vacation and laws of Physics in charge.

Side: There isn't a God

While i dont believe in god nor do i think one exists these are pretty terrible arguments against god. Theyre more against his character than existence which cannot be tested or measured. i find it much easier to say that there is no reason to believe in a god due to the lack of sufficient evidence.

Side: There isn't a God
JTorres(2) Disputed
1 point

The bible admits itself that no man has ever seen God. You will need to look at the evidence for Christ to determine if there's a God since He claimed to be God in human form.

Side: There is a God
Amarel(5669) Disputed
1 point

Lots of folks claimed to be God in human form. That is no basis from which to judge the existence of God. Where in the bible does Jesus claim to be God anyway?

Side: There isn't a God

Okay then, i do not. There is no convincing historical evidence indicating that the mythical claims of jesus christ, the miracles, resurrection, and life events ever occured.

Side: There is a God