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How Many Dimensions do Atheists Perceive? Then Can a Sixth Sense Exist?
Do Atheist have perception? No Soul, No Spirit, Five Senses.
Hmm. You can't have these other gifts that are Spiritual Dimension. So are you vacant programmed robots?
Fun! Sign us up, sounds really appealing, not!
What's it like to be ruled by textbooks?
One dimensional, two dimensional max!
Soulless, no spirit sounds like a dry and thirsty place to be.
Is there NO other dimension? That's the way you want it, so it is!
Who wants to be without soul, and absent of spirit? The place of living, feeling, touching more than with your hands. That's a pretty crappie deal if you ask me!
How did everyone get so one or two dimensional? Does everyone live in a flat world? There is no intuition or sensitivity to all the other dimensions around everyone, you all look digitally programmed.
FYI, that is the mark of the beast. It’s a mark on the frontal lobes as “on their foreheads.” It’s a mind unable to draw from their other dimmmension, perception, other senses. Then taste smell, etc…
That's the mark of the beast. A sealed shut mind that can’t understand or percieve anything outside of what's in front of them in a text book by an all powerful educator to mimic!
Everyone is being pulled down, falling out of higher dimensions.
That was the fall, and you guys are falling to only one dimension.
No I have a better track record of being bigger than a bag of assembled dead bones, waiting for worms to eat my blanket of flesh at the end of my short lived days!
I reach higher with perception, bags of bones cannot!
Arguing with some people is more of a matter of going every direction for others to see just how ridiculous their arguments are. Because they may never be able to see it themselves.
No because I like the open sky and the interaction of God's Spirit with mine. I have no interest in becoming a biological bag of bones, without a spirit and soul.
Can you explain how someone who is willing to learn something less than 2000 years old has a fossilized brain and someone who will not allow anything other than a 2000 year old book guide them doesn't have a fossilized brain?
(I of course know the answer to that question is no. I won't get a real answer from someone with a fossilized brain though, will I?)
It wouldn't be for my benefit. My frontal lobes are not being fossilized. I have the mind of Christ. That's the 90% of brain atheists can't use. Actually atheist are decreasing the portion of 10% they did use, because they are decreasing their dimensions.
I guess that singularity, one dimension fits all that's is left after you remove their spirits and souls.
The startling discovery of modern science is that our physical universe is actually finite. Scientists now acknowledge that the universe had a beginning. They call the singularity from which it all began the "Big Bang."
While the details among the many variants of these theories remain quite controversial, the fact that there was a definite beginning has gained widespread agreement.1 This is, of course, what the Bible has maintained throughout its 66 books.
From thermodynamic considerations, it also appears that all processes in the universe inevitably contribute the losses from their inefficiencies to the ambient temperature, and thus the universe ultimately will attain a uniform temperature in which no work - all of which ultimately derives from temperature differences - will be able to be accomplished. Scientists call this ultimate physical destiny the "heat death."
Mankind, therefore, finds itself caught in the finite interval between the singularity that began it all and a finite termination. The mathematical concept of infinity - in any spatial direction or in terms of time - seems astonishingly absent in the physical macrocosm, the domain of the astronomers and cosmologists.
In the microcosmic domain, there also appears to be an even more astonishing boundary to smallness. If we take a segment of length, we can divide it in half. We can take one of the remaining halves, and we can divide it in half again. We naturally assume that this can go on forever. We assume that no matter how small a length we end up dealing with, we can always - at least conceptually - divide any remainder in half. It turns out that this is not true. There is a length known as the Planck length, 10-33 centimeters, that is indivisible.
The same thing is true of mass, energy, and even time. There is a unit of time which cannot be subdivided: 10-43 seconds. It is in this strange world of subatomic behavior that scientists have now encountered the very boundaries of physical reality, as we experience it. The study of these subatomic components is called quantum mechanics, or quantum physics.
The startling discovery made by the quantum physicists is that if you break matter into smaller and smaller pieces you eventually reach a point where those pieces - electrons, protons, et al. - no longer possess the traits of objects. Although they can sometimes behave as if they were a compact little particle, physicists have found that they literally possess no dimension.
Another disturbing discovery of the physicists is that a subatomic particle, such as an electron, can manifest itself as either a particle or a wave.
If you shoot an electron at a television screen that has been turned off, a tiny point of light will appear when it strikes the phosphorescent chemicals that coat the glass. The single point of impact which the electron leaves on the screen clearly reveals the particle-like side of its nature.
But that is not the only form the electron can assume. It can also dissolve into a blurry cloud of energy and behave as if it were a wave spread out over space. When an electron manifests itself as a wave, it can do things no particle can. If it is fired at a barrier in which two slits have been cut, it can go through both slits simultaneously. When wavelike electrons collide with each other they even create interference patterns.
It is interesting that in 1906, J. J. Thomson received the Nobel Prize for proving that electrons are particles. In 1937 he saw his son awarded the Nobel Prize for proving that electrons were waves. Both father and son were correct. From then on, the evidence for the wave/particle duality has become overwhelming.
This chameleon-like ability is common to all subatomic particles. Called quanta, they can manifest themselves either as a particle or a wave. What makes them even more astonishing is that there is compelling evidence that the only time quanta ever manifest themselves as particles is when we are looking at them.
The Danish physicist Niels Bohr pointed out that if subatomic particles only come into existence in the presence of an observer, then it is also meaningless to speak of a particle's properties and characteristics as existing before they are observed.
But if the act of observation actually helped create such properties, what does that imply about the future of science?
Anyone who isn't shocked by quantum physics has not understood it. Niels Bohr
It gets worse. Some subatomic processes result in the creation of a pair of particles with identical or closely related properties. Quantum physics predicts that attempts to measure complementary characteristics on the pair - even when traveling in opposite directions - would always be frustrated. Such strange behavior would imply that the particles would have to be interconnected in some way so as to be instantaneously in communication with each other.
One physicist who was deeply troubled by Bohr's assertions was Dr. Albert Einstein. Despite the role Einstein had played in the founding of quantum theory, he was not pleased with the course the fledgling science had taken.
In 1935 Einstein and his colleagues Boris Podolsky and Nathan Rosen published their now-famous paper, "Can Quantum-Mechanical Description of Physical Reality Be Considered Complete?"2
The problem, according to Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity, is that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. The instantaneous communication implied by the view of quantum physics would be tantamount to breaking the time barrier and would open the door to all kinds of unacceptable paradoxes.
Einstein and his colleagues were convinced that no "reasonable definition" of reality would permit such faster-than-light interconnections to exist, and therefore Bohr had to be wrong. Their argument is now known as the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox, or EPR paradox for short.
Bohr remained unperturbed by Einstein's argument. Rather than believing that some kind of faster-than-light communication was taking place, he offered another explanation:
If subatomic particles do not exist until they are observed, then one could no longer think of them as independent "things." Thus Einstein was basing his argument on an error when he viewed twin particles as separate. They were part of an indivisible system, and it was meaningless to think of them otherwise.
In time, most physicists sided with Bohr and became content that his interpretation was correct. One factor that contributed to Bohr's following was that quantum physics had proved so spectacularly successful in predicting phenomena, few physicists were willing to even consider the possibility that it might be faulty in some way. The entire industries of lasers, microelectronics, and computers have emerged on the reliability of the predictions of quantum physics.
The popular Cal Tech physicist Richard Feynman has summed up this paradoxical situation well:
I think it is safe to say that no one understands quantum mechanics... In fact, it is often stated that of all the theories proposed in this century, the silliest is quantum theory. Some say that the only thing that quantum theory has going for it, in fact, is that it is unquestionably correct.
When Einstein and his colleagues first made their proposal, technical reasons prevented any empirical experiments actually being performed. The broader philosophical implications were, ironically, ignored and swept under the carpet.
Hyperspaces
The ancient Hebrew scholar Nachmonides, writing in the 12th century, concluded from his studies of the text of Genesis that the universe has ten dimensions: that four are knowable and six are beyond our knowing.
Particle physicists today have also concluded that we live in ten dimensions. Three spatial dimensions and time are directly discernible and measurable. The remaining six are "curled" in less than the Planck length (10-33 centimeters) and thus are only inferable by indirect means.3
(Some physicists believe that there may be as many as 26 dimensions.4 Ten and twenty-six emerge from the mathematics associated with superstring theory, a current candidate in the pursuit of a theory to totally integrate all known forces in the universe.)
Fracture in Genesis 3?
There is a provocative conjecture that these ten (or more) dimensions were originally integrated, but suffered a fracture as a result of the events summarized in Genesis Chapter 3. The resulting upheaval separated them into the "physical" and "spiritual" worlds.
There appears to be some Scriptural basis for an original close coupling between the spiritual and physical world. The highly venerated Onkelos translation of Genesis 1:31 emphasizes that "...it was a unified order."
The suggestion is that the current physics, including the entropy laws, ("the bondage of decay") were a result of the fall.5
The entropy laws reveal a universe that is "winding down." It had to have been initially "wound up." This windup - the reduction of entropy, or the infusion of order (information) - is described in Genesis 1 in a series of six stages. The terms used in this progressive reduction of entropy (disorder) are, erev and boker, which ultimately led to their being translated "evening" and "morning."
Erev and Boker
Erev is dark, obscure randomness; it is maximum entropy. As darkness envelopes our horizon, we lose the ability to discern order or patterns. The darkness is "without form and void."
From this term we derive the current sememe for "evening," when the encroaching darkness begins to deny us the ability to discern forms,shapes, and identities.
Boker is the advent of light, where things begin to become discernible and visible; order begins to appear.
This relief of obscurity, and the attendant ability to begin to discern forms, shapes, and identities has become associated with dawn or "morning," as the early twilight begins to reveal order and design. Evening and mornings constituted the principal stages of creation. Six "evenings" and "mornings" became the "days" constituting the creation "week." However, what we know about the physical universe is only from observing the universe after the upheavals of Genesis 3.
Planck would commit suicide seeing such interpretations.
Also, I understand the nature of quantum mechanics and the wave particle duality. Such noob articles don't interest me. I know that according to the superstring theory, our universe can have either 10 or 26 dimensions (thus that probably I said earlier).
If only you wanted to understand more than mystical explanations, you would have.
It is you who said all that, and I was speaking to someone who criticised that. That no one noticed the mindless things you originally said.
Also, fun fact - the superstring theory and the big bang theory aren't compatible with each other, because according to the former, all matter could never exist in a singularity. Thus, the big bang theory is essentially rejected.
String theory sounds interesting. God is Eternal so He has no beginning. I think our univese has dimensions like three heavens. Where our black space is visible, it is outside of a universe of light. In Genesis 1 it says God said let light be. Then separated light from darkness.
I'm not exactly sure how God did it big bang, or otherwise.
God is a person and a location. In Him we live and move and have our being, as children of light. We will live in a city with no need for the sun because He will be the Light we dwell in.
String theory is interesting also for Bible implications. Ezekial 1 sounds like it may be describing this. These pictures drawn by the Word is probably a mathmatical equation for string theory.
Ezekiel 1
10 As for the form of their faces, each had the face of a man; all four had the face of a lion on the right and the face of a bull on the left, and all four had the face of an eagle.
11 Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out above; each had two touching another being, and two covering their bodies. 12 And each went straight forward; wherever the spirit was about to go, they would go, without turning as they went.
13 In the midst of the living beings there was something that looked like burning coals of fire, like torches darting back and forth among the living beings. The fire was bright, and lightning was flashing from the fire. 14 And the living beings ran to and fro like bolts of lightning.
15 Now as I looked at the living beings, behold, there was one wheel on the earth beside the living beings, for each of the four of them. 16 The appearance of the wheels and their workmanship was like sparkling beryl, and all four of them had the same form, their appearance and workmanship being as if one wheel were within another.
17 Whenever they moved, they moved in any of their four directions without turning as they moved. 18 As for their rims they were lofty and awesome, and the rims of all four of them were full of eyes round about. 19 Whenever the living beings moved, the wheels moved with them. And whenever the living beings rose from the earth, the wheels rose also. 20 Wherever the spirit was about to go, they would go in that direction.
And in Revelations with songs and trumpets and 24 elders and the angels around the throne with 4 wings each. Some of these descriptions are dimensions and eyewitness understandings.
I think where there is a question, the Bible has an answer.
String theory itself is an abstraction that does not rest on concrete proofs. But can it? I doubt that. As Godel might have said, "No system can be proved without using another system of a higher order."
But if your God is so omnipotent that he can exist outside of all dimensions (which itself is absurd), then surely he can create a proof for himself that follows entirely from the most basic of assumptions. Because you christians brought this new thing - both ancient Hindus and Greeks (on both sides of the world) and probably others didn't have such absurd assumptions for a deity.
Also, that disqualifies him as a being.
Just because christianity is so widely accepted, I'll be disproving the Bible sometime. In case such a document does not already exist, because it is still an ant compared to Hinduism - for which the task won't be hard. Disproving superstitions is easier than disproving well designed administrative tools. Also, it has absolutely no central books - except the vedas, which aren't very accessible. And not generally wrong in matters unrelated to superstitions.
Are there any worthy replies to Russell's essay 'Why I Am Not A Christian'?
1st of all God has proven Himself His way, and that is gracious. He doesnt have to prove HImself.
These are mercy calls for your benefit not His. Your self importance is the same posture that caused Satan to fall out of Heaven. So why would He change His mind for you or anyone? God doen't change. And His thoughts and His ways are not your thoughts or your ways.
If you are a child of Satan you will dwell with him. If you love light you will come to the light. Jesus told a story of a poor begger who was carried to Abrahams bosom, there he had plenty and no longer was hungry or thirsty. And the rich man that was cruel to the begger was brought to a place where fire kindled and he was thirsty wishing for a drop. In this place Jesus says they could see and speak across the casm.
And the tormented rich guy asked if Lazarus could go warn his brothers. Abraham said, if they dont listen to Moses and the prophets, they wouldnt listen even if apptoached by someone who rose from the dead.
You ask for proof, no manner of proof can change a heart that is hardened, and that has set his mind against God.
Jesus said this evil generation asks for a sign, but none will be given it except to repent.
Also
The story of the begger and rich man are also a story discussing dimensions.
I assure you, I'm not really aware of what you're talking about. And I don't indirectly believe such things, and proving wrong your perception doesn't equate to proving wrong the source you're using. You can believe it all just by seeing some random patterns that might have not been even intended (as I said, the position of any letters in their alphabet doesn't even matter. The only way it can is when explicitly stated).
All christian replies I've seen online to criticisms are terrible. An unknowing reader might consider them parodies. But I am still giving the benefit of doubt that they are desperate clinging attempts. Is there any analytic treatment of the Bible in Christian favour?
Similar to what you would do if it were disproven entirely - nothing in particular. Because if it is as I hear it to be, I'd hate it just as it is.
But there is negligible chance that it will be true.
Though that would reject agnostics and atheists entirely, either of the groups doesn't really inspire me.
But then, I won't have to attack imaginary ideas, and your side of the debate will be a bit less idiotic. I will even convert if I'm entirely proven wrong.
Basic common sense - you mean believing in dogmas?
If you wish to learn what constitutes an undeniable proof against all of us who argue against your religion, you have to learn logic at the least (and probably theology, and vedic studies if you prefer).
The long journey of the advancement of mankind and the expansion of the frontiers of knowledge as well as our awareness of the Universe, of which we are a minuscule part, would never have even started if no one had challenged the superstitious nonsense which forms the basis of all religions.
I agree, science has not produced a rational explanation for the ''beginning of life'', as the concept of the ''big bang'' is, in my opinion almost as fanciful a notion as the various man made religions.
However, science, and not hocus pocus religion will someday come up with the answer.
Let's hope there will a sufficient number of people able to recognise and understand the scientific proof and have the maturity to discard the of the mumbo jumbo which was spawned from the ignorance of the bronze age
So then my question is, SINCE admittedly no answer exists in science, then by what reasoning and by what facts do you dismiss the possibility of a Creator?
And by what reasoning and by what facts do you declare religion and faith as irrational? And without merit to explore and weigh as evidence of a Creator. Science has no answer! Yet all its minions think, it is actually confirmed as fact! How dare educators lie to children and treat speculation as facts!!!
It seems it is irrational to close of possibilities of answers and proof of their sourses without really being objective.
So therefore evolution admittingly doesnt know so it assumes. So then how is it scientific to dismiss weighing evidence of a Creator and dismiss proving validations of His Word.
So evoluyion creationists expect faith in an unknown process, while refusing evidence of a Creator.
The Bible is an authority yhat has as much if not even more confirmable evidence of validity as biology. Biology days this part is in this animal and also in another, and in a controlled experiment this minifact is confirmed, an eye can develope on a wing of a fly. So therefore evolution explaims creation.
Yet we have proof the Bible is of supernatural origin, with facts unknown to the writers according to their limitations in advancements, yet it is not allowed to show evidence.
If we are debating origin then shouldnt we validate what is possible. And since lifed origin is unknown than why isnt a Creator possible? And since scripture 8s historical and closer to the date of origin to the first signs of mankind like us is about 6000 years ago, then shouldnt we add it to experiment also?
Because now we know how terrible religious arguments are.
It is the theists that desperately want a deity, not the agnostics. The argument that 'Science doesn't answer why' doesn't lead to 'Science is based on blind faith'. It is based on agnosticism, so far.
You honestly don't think that people 2000 years ago were monkeys, right? The way you expect them to be complete morons by default, that seems the most likely case.
Do you claim that the Bible is entirely right? That no matter how hard we try, we simply can not criticise any of it, at all?
As you said, there are 66 books. So it is highly likely that after extremely desperate trial and error, we can find some notable numbers upto a few decimal places. We have only 2 here, which isn't surprising at all.
Let me give you a lesson in probability. In hindsight, everything might seem highly unlikely, but when the events are exhaustive, something must happen.
Here, finding nothing would be highly unlikely under same conditions that I have stated already. Is there any evidence that the constants were meant to be here that way?
Explain how they are intentional. Where is it that the 2 concepts will be found there (and by that method)? Else it is merely a chance event not worth much consideration.
Why should it be believed at all that they were there intentionally?
And where is this behaviour when this formula doesn't yield other advanced mathematical concepts from other books? Finding some pattern in gibberish is possible, of course.
Okay, then, how are pi and e related to creation and light?
My faith isn't so disposable that I'd put it everywhere.
Light coming into the world is a biblical concept. Light is being filled with fruits of the Spirit and light is living a life fogiven and in His light.
The math is not the spiritual concept necessarily. Although it is relative. Pi would be measurement that encompass creation the fall and full circle to redemption and make He will make all things new.
Pi appears in all sorts of calculations for physics, engineering, electrical systems. The double-helix is DNA revolves around pi. Pi is in the rainbow, the pupil of the eye, and when a raindrop falls into water pi emerges in the spreading rings. It appears in colors and in music. It is also used in probability and statistics.
And e has value exponentially, the Gospel going out fulfills growth like the stars and like grains of sand.
I know what is their significance. That's not the question. Why are they specifically in those parts of the books at those locations?
Because, as I guess I should be bored of repeating, unless we have evidence to believe that they are there intentionally - then that significantly lowers the probability, a concept you seem to use rather loosely. (Edit - ouch, that's a fragment of what I meant to say. The next part goes, the probability of finding something somewhere would be pretty high.)
There are numerous calculations and measurements in the Bible from specific measurements in building designs instructed by God and in dates and times found the Bible.
Well I dont know why God put it there. Id imagine the book is so full of knowledge and wisdom and understanding that on one side its a confirmation that there is an outside influence and showing something that specific.
Even complete to the 4th decimal place in equations beyond the writers knowledge and ability. So it was a purposeful design to authenticate it. Or sign it as authored by more than the men that physically penned it.
Also God confounds the wise and mocks fools. So when the book is opened the foolishness of academia that denied God and caused multitudes to stumble and not seek God. When it is unrolled it will both mock and judge them. The blood of those they cause to stumble will be on their hands.
As far as the math itself, Im not a mathematician, so I can only think of known application as a lay person. Pi is measurements of a circle, inside out, and across etc...
pi appears in all sorts of calculations for physics, engineering, electrical systems.
The double-helix is DNA revolves around pi. Pi is in the rainbow, the pupil of the eye, and when a raindrop falls into water pi emerges in the spreading rings. It appears in colors and in music. It is also used in probability and statistics.
So I think the placement is not a calculation as in a word problem. But all incompassing of God's creation, intervention, judgement, and salvation. He brings creation full circle from creation to fall to our redemption.
Fullness of His dwelling. Complete measurement. God uses math and measurements within the scriptures also. Like measurements of the Noahs Ark and the Ark of the Covenant. And all kinds of measurements. So measurements and math are not foriegn to the actual reading of the written text.
So hidden in verse 1 of chapter 1 in Genesis and In John 1: 1 is profound and absolute design written by more than the pen of men!!
Gen 6 - Ark Measurements
14 Make for yourself an ark of gopher wood; you shall make the ark with rooms, and shall cover it inside and out with pitch. 15 This is how you shall make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 You shall make a window for the ark, and finish it to a cubit from the top; and set the door of the ark in the side of it; you shall make it with lower, second, and third decks.
17 Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.
Romans 8
38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
And "e" found in John 1: 1 Would be measurements of exponential growth. Which is what happened bt the Jews initially rejecting the Messiah.
Causing it to go out to the Gentiles. But also prophesied to come full circle, and lift the veil. To make a round trip so to speak, to reveal to the Jews also so in the end they also see the Messiah as who He is, Jesus.
Completing His creation full circle! And His salvation saves exponentially.
Even if, say, they might have been inserted magically by some omnipotent thing that also managed the Hebrew alphabet and intentionally left off his formula somewhere, written with it the verses and their respective 2 books where it might be valid, and its respective meaning as to what it represents (even though I'd assume nothing in that is true), these aren't so special numbers that I'd say "Miracle!" and become a Christian due to them.
And then, seeing that they weren't even probably intended, well, is a bit annoying, since you don't seem to understand. Just the perfect example of the need and efficiency of your religion to have been used as an administrative tool.
Pi is just a constant, and all its uses follow rather obviously. So do those of e (as the natural logarithmic base).
Unless there is sufficient evidence to believe that they are there for a reason and intentionally, I'll have to pass on it as a desperate attempt to derive meaning where there is none.
Authoritative academia has fed you materials designed to control your thinking. And not truth. And absurd.
Randomness did not create, you need information to make DNA.
Evolution takes more faith in nothing and Randomness then faith needed for belief in God. At least you can prove God with common sense and reasoning. Evolution is ridiculous!
If evolution were true we would have life forms sprouting out of nothing all day.
What is it like hair dye, it stopped after it evolved so far because nothing is intelligent?
And aside from changing properties for adaptation there is only things growing with an intelligent designer. Scientists putting together to make. That's still not random nothing!
Why does Israel and God's Word and Jesus divide huge significant effects to everyone in the entire world, a mid point in half, like God is the center of the entire world, even the universe?
The below shows something crazy, that in no way was in the hands of an old Jewish guy to control.
We all know Jesus is so part of the destiny of the world that even TIME is divided by the knowledge of Him - A.D. and B.C.
But this is found in the ancient texts hidden.
The world and languages go from reading left to right or right to left. Most written languages were in process of developing. Like time, written language is directed like a directors chair perched in Jerusalem.
All languages EAST of Jerusalem write Right to Left.
All languages WEST of Jerusalem write Left to Right.
We have this also - torh spelled reading in two directions in Hebrew. Backward and forward with YHWY in the middle.
Are There Hidden Codes
in the Biblical Text?
The secrets of the Torah are revealed... in the
skipping of the letters.
Rabbi Moses Cordevaro, 16th century
Torah Codes
49 (72) letter sequences:
• Genesis TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Exodus TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Leviticus ? YHWH in a 7 pattern, square root of 49
• Numbers HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Deuteronomy HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
I think we are finding God is proven and confirmed.
As we take the Bible both literally and spiritually, interpreting as taught by the Word itself, and also with the Holy Spirit within us, as truth unfolds and is further revealed, science will find themselves dumb at God's revelation of science in His Word.
And we all will look upon them and wonder, " How did they fit both feet in their mouth while their heads were up their asses? That will look beastly for sure!
Any discrepancies are on the readers part, not on the authors part.
1 The field of biology has now discovered it is restricted by the boundary conditions of the information sciences. Its historical love affair with Darwinism is now being shattered by advances in microbiology, highlighted by the disturbing revelations of Michael Denton, Philip Johnson, and Michael Behe, et al., revealing biology's apparent immunity to truth and reason.
2 But now the field of physics, too, is in turmoil. Quantum physics has resulted in the abandonment of causality, the cornerstone of empirical science. And whether we address the units of length, mass, or time, we discover that they are composed of indivisible units that ultimately cannot be divided without losing their "locality."
3 The more one knows about particle physics and quantum mechanics, the more provocative these "science fiction" episodes become. Indeed, it was Dr. Albert Einstein that admitted,
People who believe in physics, know that the distinction between the past, present, and the future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
And as physics goes, so too the entire field of cosmology. I believe it was Paul Davies who observed, It is as if our entire universe is nothing more than a thought in the Mind of God.
The current genre of virtual reality films, while still retaining many of the moral deficiencies that have come to characterize the products of our entertainment industry, can still be provocative and useful in conceptualizing our present situation: we find ourselves in what can be accurately described as a digital simulation.
And transitions in and out of our space-time - from one "hyperspace" to another - is a potential rationalization of the more disturbing UFO reports and other apparent visits from dimensionalities other than our own.
It is also a way of conceptualizing the strangest transition of all: the harpazo, the "Great Snatch," which Paul alludes to in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-53.
(A "twinkling of an eye" is not to be confused with a blink; at the speed of light passing through the retina, it is about 10-43 seconds - the very digital boundary of time itself.)
There are hints here and there. There are two well-known references to the creation in the Scripture: Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. Let’s look “underneath” the text of each of these.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
In Hebrew:
Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew
If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (see chart), and apply them to this formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
The number of words x the product of the words
You get 3.1416 x 1017. The value of π to four decimal places! Hmm.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In Greek:
John 1:1 in Greek
This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (see chart), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
The number of words x the product of the words
You now get 2.7183 x 1040, the value of e. Curious!
Explain things out side your box of Legos monkey boy!
There are hints here and there. There are two well-known references to the creation in the Scripture:
Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1.
Let’s look “underneath” the text of each of these.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
In Hebrew:
Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew
If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (see chart), and apply them to this formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
÷
The number of words x the product of the words
You get 3.1416 x 1017. The value of π to four decimal places! Hmm.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In Greek:
John 1:1 in Greek
This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (see chart), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
I can't tell if you are just stubborn or if you really are as dumb as you pretend to be. Doesn't it bother you that the only way to believe what you believe is to be dumb?
Ezekiel 28 - looks like Eden may have had a previous problem before Adam and Eve.
10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.
11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
20 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
21 Son of man, set thy face against Zidon, and prophesy
against it,
22 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Zidon; and I will be glorified in the midst of thee: and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall have executed judgments in her, and shall be sanctified in her.
23 For I will send into her pestilence, and blood into her streets; and the wounded shall be judged in the midst of her by the sword upon her on every side; and they shall know that I am the Lord.
24 And there shall be no more a pricking brier unto the house of Israel, nor any grieving thorn of all that are round about them, that despised them; and they shall know that I am the Lord God.
25 Thus saith the Lord God; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob.
26 And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the Lord their God.
And Satan was operational in the world, so your answers lie in that dynamic. But our living order in no possible way, came out of nothing. Anything that grew wouldn't have evolved to sensible life. Which is written in Genesis 1:1 - 2
"Without form" "void" "dark" So there was something ugly and God brought Light, and order, and filled the earth.
It comes down to this, I don't doubt that mutations of some low level were occuring. But random doesn't build a living thing.
Without pattern, or predictability. lottery isn't really random either. There is no such thing as random in our world.
Apply it to evolution, there is no such thing as nothing creating something
The part you are missing, is there is no numerical assembly of DNA that would produce the out come in order and form that is balanced within the environment.
There is no ability for harmony to trump dominance and self preservation. Because of these factors is equal to random forming a pattern. It's not possible. Because our world is digitally ordered, in a mathmaticaly organized existence, then order can't come from random, or random without pattern or predictability could not create order with design of mathmatical principles that exist from the macrocosm down to the microcosm.
Because random does not exist in our world. That is exactly why evolution is not possible. If it were possible them we would see evidence working against entropy.
Disorder and chaos, that is what existed before God brought Light into it. Likely from Satan's fall.
God brought order and form. He fixed the mess Satan destroyed in His fall.
If you planted a garden in your yard and let it go, would an organized garden eventually be made?
Or would it tangle itself and have a chaos that prevents the garden from producing it's highest purpose?
Without a hand of design, the garden would be disorderly and mostly weeds would dominate. That's evolution!
The point is dominance. Not harmony and balance. You can believe what you want, but let's not pretend it's factual. It's theoretical based on knowledge of biology. That's all. It's taking biology and applying it to the unknown and making a story.
Christianity always said what it believed. And now science caught up and we can look back and apply confirming our precepts. Evolution is mythology!
Human beings use a different version of the word random. Random means without a conscious decision. Having a pattern, or predictability, or intelligence did not mean it had a conscious decision.
Let's just ignore the word random. Evolution does not claim that there will be no predictability and no pattern, so you are still wrong about evolution.
Evolution must be like hair dye, it stops processing after what? One million years or two million years? So when exactly did evolution stop making something from nothing?
Oh I get it, evolution is soooo smart, since other chains are in existence now to work witj, its easy street for evolution assemblies. Random selectiveness also is random non-selectiveness, but evolution is made its selectively smart again.
Let's worship the god of random nothingness, because it's soooo intelligent! It is both selective and non-selective.
I think it selected to skip brains in some humans.
Whether you believe it or not, Jesus says we are serve one master or another. You are aware or unaware.
If you believe in God, you should investigate it.
The Bible is clear, you don't have long to decide.
So honestly this is an attempt to reach some, and to also find the way each individual hears best.
But it's ultimately up to each to investigate. I'm just giving pieces to hopefully encourage any who have ears to ask questions, and look for yourselves. Rather than gobble up any deception that falls under subjective truth.
So excuse me if I come across harsh, but we are in days where time is a factor, we are running out of it!
Not really, bacteria already exists. Out of nothing like the many assemblies on the day of evolution!
Your hoodwinked. The truth is if evolution happened there would still be the same processes occurring out of the basic raw material, or did all the raw material already take lifeforms?
What you don't realize is evolution is the creation story without God, without intelligence.
Here is the kicker, even greater an insult to the Creator than another god getting credit and the loyalty of mankind in worship to it, is for man to say no God at all was needed to make us.
And people wonder why God won't spare them. Really?? Man who worships nothing and doesn't even credit the Creator. And who teach that to others their ways, so they then are lost also?
You don't realize by denying the Creator they are serving the one who rules the ways of this world.
And that one fell out of Heaven like lightening, so why would God spare those who follow his ways?
Since we know that's not true, then if evolution were true, we would see it from raw materials just as it occurred during their creation days, which they call evolution.
What you don't realize is what is actually evolution.
Evolution is selective assemblies of complex design which occurred by intelligent selection by a random designer. And from raw material. So then if raw material still exists, then where is random assembly of these raw forms.
It's a logical reasonable conclusion to look for new life in a sealed thing of peanut butter, or a sealed can of tomatoes. If assembly occurred then then why do businesses invest millions to assure nothing live gets in to start something growing.
If it could grow without design of at least an initially assembled intelligent design, then how would random chance assemble them then or ever?
Let us stop sugar coating it. I know, it’s hard to come out and be blunt with the friendly Theists who frequent sites like this. However in your efforts to “play nice” and “be civil” you actually do them a great disservice.
We are Atheists. We believe that the Universe is a great uncaused, random accident. All life in the Universe past and future are the results of random chance acting on itself. While we acknowledge concepts like morality, politeness, civility seem to exist, we know they do not.
Our highly evolved brains imagine that these things have a cause or a use, and they have in the past, they’ve allowed life to continue on this planet for a short blip of time.
But make no mistake: all our dreams, loves, opinions, and desires are figments of our primordial imagination.
They are fleeting electrical signals that fire across our synapses for a moment in time. They served some purpose in the past. They got us here. That’s it.
All human achievement and plans for the future are the result of some ancient, evolved brain and accompanying chemical reactions that once served a survival purpose.
Ex: I’ll marry and nurture children because my genes demand reproduction, I’ll create because creativity served a survival advantage to my ancient ape ancestors, I’ll build cities and laws because this allowed my ape grandfather time and peace to reproduce and protect his genes.
My only directive is to obey my genes. Eat, sleep, reproduce, die. That is our bible.
We deride the Theists for having created myths and holy books. We imagine ourselves superior.
But we too imagine there are reasons to obey laws, be polite, protect the weak etc. Rubbish. We are nurturing a new religion, one where we imagine that such conventions have any basis in reality.
Have they allowed life to exist?
Absolutely. But who cares?
Outside of my greedy little gene’s need to reproduce, there is nothing in my world that stops me from killing you and reproducing with your wife.
Only the fear that I might be incarcerated and thus be deprived of the opportunity to do the same with the next guy’s wife stops me.
Some of my Atheist friends have fooled themselves into acting like the general population. They live in suburban homes, drive Toyota Camrys, attend school plays.
But underneath they know the truth. They are a bag of DNA whose only purpose is to make more of themselves. So be nice if you want. Be involved, have polite conversations, be a model citizen.
Just be aware that while technically an Atheist, you are an inferior one. You’re just a little bit less evolved, that’s all. When you are ready to join me, let me know, I’ll be reproducing with your wife.
I know it’s not PC to speak so bluntly about the ramifications of our beliefs, but in our discussions with Theists we sometimes tip toe around what we really know to be factual. Maybe it’s time we Atheists were a little more truthful and let the chips fall where they may.
At least that’s what my genes are telling me to say.”"
Well if atheists do not think there is any reality other than their basic 5 senses, and their biology. Isn't what I said an appropriate conclusion? Did you ever hear a true atheist tell of their obedience to their biology?
No, I'm really, utterly sick of people such as yourself trying to project so much nonsense on atheists, as if they were some unified group with a system of belief.
They don't believe there is a god, that's it. That's literally the only unifying factor among them. Everything else you try to pin on them comes across as incredibly ignorant and downright mean spirited.
We are not unified. These are the last days, and we will tell the truth. And it may seem rude. But there is an end times message, just like all the other times God judged the world or Sodom and Gomorrah. We are the idiots building the Ark, and we are trying to gather the animals into the boat, so they can be saved and be children of God instead of damned beasts!
Jesus said to look around at the times. I guess if He was telling the truth, and since Israel is a big indicator, I'd say we are probably a good bit closer than you may think.
He didn't just give a few disconnected prophesies .
He spread them out so the least of us could find the instructions.
The latest one not on the list is of course the Mayan calendar scare.
What the heck are you supposed to do if the time comes anyways? Pack a suitcase? Of course not, when God calls you leave all worldly possessions behind.
Until then sowing seeds of fear does nothing beneficial.
It's utterly beyond my control so if I don't let fear rule me and I continue to live as I have lived for the last coughcough years and that's called being passive, then sure, I'm passive.
The bible isn't all that clear, it's been misinterpreted before and more than half the time -and after the fact- people find ways to place natural catastrophes in the category of "the Bible predicted it," MUCH like the way people say "The Simpsons predicted it"!
The Bible is exceedingly clear! How much clearer do you want Him to be?
John 14
2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.
4 And you know the way where I am going.”
5 Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?”
6 Jesus said to him,
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
7 If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”
8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.
11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.
12 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.
13 Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.
15 “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
16 I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
18 “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
19 After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also.
20 In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
21 He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?”
23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.
25 “These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you.
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
Below is a brief sampling of mistakes in recent history, borrowed from the introduction to my own commentary on Revelation (Revelation, NIV Application Commentary [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2000]):
• Christopher Columbus voyaged to the New World hoping to help precipitate the biblical new heaven and earth
• During the Reformation, Melchior Hoffman allowed himself to be arrested in Strassburg on the belief that it was about to become the New Jerusalem
• Also during the Reformation, Thomas Müntzer aided the Peasant’s Revolt of 1524, believing that it would precipitate the final judgment; the peasants lost, and Müntzer was executed. In those days, end-time speculations died hard sometimes literally!
• When King James I persecuted early Baptist leaders in England they feared that they were enduring the final tribulation
• Many Americans believed that King George III (probably one of England’s most pious rulers, as John Wesley recognized) was the final Antichrist
• Many northern ministers expected the U.S. Civil War to establish God’s kingdom in their favor; some ministers expected God to weigh in on the opposite side.
Granted it's one man's view based on history but again, everyone will have their own interpretation.
Am I suggesting God is a peanut?? Where do you get that??
I think you are confusing Gods word with mankind's capacity to make mistakes. Man physically wrote the bible, man mentally interprets it and then spreads the words as he believes it to be written. It's because of this you have the nutters like Westboro Baptist Church and various other fools who use the word of God to suit their own needs. Denying this actually happens is to hide from the truth.
I do not think the entire Bible and every word has an interpretation issue, I'm sure quite a bit of it is pretty clear however what you take from it and what someone else takes from the entirety of the book is vastly different. Which is....again...why for the past thousands of years there have always been people preaching about the end of days.
I understand that God is not a peanut, I'm still scratching my head on where you came up with that question. I also understand that you haven't responded to the fact that humans are prone to mistakes, and that accepting that may make some "predictions" a bit less true especially since they've been happening for a long while.
Regardless, say it is the beginning of End of Days. What does one do to prepare for it? Packing a suitcase is useless, hiding in your house in fear is useless, preaching to people who just won't believe you or have heard this song countless times to do anything other than roll their eyes, is useless. People will find God when they find God, preaching to them does nothing when it is done in a doom and gloom manner or a brimstone and fire method.
The only mistakes are those made by those without understanding. There is not one mistake, only confusion that God purposely designed to make fools of the proud and the intellect. To show man just how truely foolish their brain farts really are!
If His Word is Hidden from the wise and intelligent, then how are they an authority to teach anything about God?
How are they an authority on a Word, that God purposely blinded them so as not to see?
Again logic and reasoning!
God requires this, that each seek and get answers, and if you seek Him with all of your heart, mind, and strength, to that one He will reveal Himself and His Word.
To the others they are smitten with confusion, and don't know their butt holes from their mouth holes.
And they defecate out of both!
What's even more telling and more interesting, their god of evil-lution, has such a creature, that is their ancestors!
The creature that defecates out of the same mouth they eat with! God fills them with their own feces and vomit. And its all in the Bible. You all should study see if it's true.
We are not in the beginning of the last days, we are the last of the last days.
You - Regardless, say it is the beginning of End of Days. What does one do to prepare for it?
1 - make sure you are on the correct road. Realize the difference, and then put you feet on the right road. He is the Way Truth and Eternal Life
2 - Have you asked God to forgive you of sin, and have you chosen to follow Him, wherever He leads, and are you ready to go through dieing daily and letting Him reign. Pray for Him to leads you. And ask Him everything you want to know.
4 - Find a Group that is Born Again and look for good fruit, and for a pastor who knows God and loves His people
5 - Then ask Him your talents, and let Him find you faithfully following Him
You - Packing a suitcase is useless, hiding in your house in fear is useless, preaching to people who just won't believe you or have heard this song countless times to do anything other than roll their eyes, is useless. People will find God when they find God, preaching to them does nothing when it is done in a doom and gloom manner or a brimstone and fire method.
Wow you have a funny idea of what Christianity is.
What are you afraid He will ask you to give Him?
Watch - God is Not Dead and God is Not Dead 2
This may help your idea, I'm not actually sure where it comes from. God tells you what to say in answer. It's actually very exhilarating when the Holy Spirit knits together things to form a bigger picture, a d then adds to it as you grow.
I can say, I think Eternity will never be boring.
You argue your points anyway, so what would be the fear in people disagreeing with you? You fight for what you think, so wouldn't fighting for people, to show them the way, in your personality. And with your special talents that God has given you, and is ready to light you on fire to shine for Him.
As far as what others think, your not me or Saintnow, your you. God doesn't use us all the same. He may have you with children, or with teens in a youth group, fire and brimstone. I guess that depends on what God leads you to say and do.
If you deny Him before man, He will deny you before the Father. If you confess Him before men He will confess you before the Father.
And its doubtful you will need a Bob shelter, suitcase, or anything crazy. Jesus said not to worry about anything, just loving Him with all your heart, and He will add take care of the rest.
My idea of what Christianity is wavers between joy at seeing Christians act like actual Christians and shaking my head at "Christians" acting like bigoted, holier than thou fools who pass judgement and use their personal agenda's to impact millions and then spit on those who believe something different.
I haven't had my coffee yet so that probably sounds harsh.
I have never had fear of people disagreeing with me, I like seeing other views and perspectives and sometimes (gasp) I may change my view if a person is able to speak/type in a concise manner with facts to back them up. That's the beauty about being open-minded. There is a difference between fighting for people and beating them upside the head with your own thoughts and beliefs. For hundreds of years people have been doing exactly what you are doing, preaching that the end of days is coming. Eternity will not be boring, I just hope they have good tea up there. ;D
You- My idea of what Christianity is wavers between joy at seeing Christians act like actual Christians and shaking my head at "Christians" acting like bigoted, holier than thou fools who pass judgement and use their personal agenda's to impact millions and then spit on those who believe something different.
I agree but it has to be defined. 1st of all, I don't think everyone who says their a Christian is, many are not.
And then you have an aspect of growing and maturity, just like newborns grow, and parents guide and discipline, Born Again is new born. Some grow faster, it's really know different. And the letters discuss this also.
Then you have the aspect of defining sin. And how it's done, and that is another aspect. Each of these aspects have things to learn and grow in.
Example Westboro Baptist, I see as a cult. They are this small group of people that clearly are ignorant, hostile, and not lead by God according to their actions. Ex. Picketing funerals.
So knowing fruit is important.
But also defining sin is important. My daughters all have gay friends, honestly I love them, but at the same token, if I were to say you can live a sexual lifestyle outside of marriage of a man And woman, then I'd be keeping them out of Heaven. It's their choice. But I need to show them the way too. So they come to my home, but I would not attend a church that married them. Although outside of church they can do as they please. But within God's people that is clearly outside. If it were not, then we would be a stumbling block to them being saved. Because of giving God's approval, against God's approval.
So if the world approves, it's the world. The world doesn't know God or represent God. But we have a responsibility to those who want Heaven to show them the narrow path. I have a friend who was steeped in a gay lifestyle for years. God saved him, he ministers to gays, and he married my friend and has kids and a few little grand kids. That's God's work and grace in our lives. We all came out of something. Everyone of us had to see our sin to know we needed Jesus' work on the cross.
Why would we come if we didn't realize we needed to?
There are a few versions we should avoid, a few we can depend on. With today's technology which is God's tool even if it appears to be Satan's domain.
God won't let us be hoodwinked, we have knowledge and understanding easily available to guide our feet.
The Blue Letter Bible is helpful, I have been using my app to look at some scriptures on Bible Gateway in side by side comparisons, and if I have questions or if I want it in a clearer way I switch to interlinear so I can see the origin. Below link is a helpful guide to scale versions of the Bible.
eNews for February 23, 2015 (https://www.khouse.org/enews_article/2015/2364/print/)
Here is a resource I recommend with easy reference to original text. Link below to Blue Letter Bible.
Bible Search and Study Tools (https://www.blueletterbible.org/)
There are many free apps and tools to compare to original texts. It's easy! Bible Gateway is a good one.
It's a clear command of God, we should study ourselves approved! There are many tools avavailable, many are free and easy to get and use for everyone. We know God is a God of clarity and precision, and also a God grace. He sent His Spirit to lead us into all truth!
So where we don't know He makes known, and when we do know He expects us to take His Word in seriousness of precision.
So the answer is grace, and He is in control of leading and revealing. And no one can alter His Word, or steer His children.
But He also gives tools for us to be diligent to find treasures and revelation, and to seek precision in handling His Word.
They alter it and those who want their ears tickled will seek that.
But we seek what God says bottom line. And sometimes taking those extra steps in our study is being watchmen of truth. So we can uphold truth over the noise of deceptions, which is emense in these last days.
Lamp in the Dark and Wheat Among Tares are good documentaries about the assault on faith and God's people and His Word.
There has been attempts throughout history and its difficult to swallow, not every translation is credible.
Here is a helpful video to help with studying God's Word.
This is awesome!! 2 parts in one, maybe watch 30 minutes at a tome, unless you get hooked! I got hooked.
And you think man's mistakes dictate and control God and His Word?
Man's mistakes dictate his own end, they can't don't and won't ever dictate or limit God! Only themselves. His Word stands, He stands! Man's mistakes do not harm God, they harm just the men who live by their mistakes!
You clearly have no idea who God is, and you have no idea of His Power!
If He wanted He could make stones speak and praise Him!
Look it up Jesus said it, as plain as the nose on your face!
So your telling me, ...
He can make stones stand up and speak His praise.
He can harden the hearts of Kings like Pharoah, and make them obey the their place!
He can smite Israel, scatter her and gather her, and then surround her with trouble, and make other nations uphold her!
He can detail history in advance one prophesy ontop of another, and fulfill each in order by the stacks throughout generations and millennials!
To the jot and the tittle, by dates and times, and names and locations and participants, and cause them each and every one to sit in their place!
But somehow ...
He can't manage to turn the hearts of single people throughout time, who He raised up to purposely write His Word. And somehow after that effort, let it be taken by the mistakes of man and the assault of his enemies and demons??? Really how is that logical?
So, even though His people, both sets Jews and Christians faced murderous genticide, trived anyway against all odds, and all assaults, but somehow it's within logic or reason that He He cant manage to defend His Word?? Really??
What God can't do the basic elementary defense of battle? He can't move the hands of a men, even His enemies? He can't control print on paper??
Fyi - this is the unreasoning! Here it is! The flood of deceptions, bought by all fools! Turn from folly and seek wisdom!
This is the mind of fools! So study it for yourself, you are accountable. Jesus said to SEEK!!
And stop trying to find loopholes for disobedience!
They do not really exist, only in the imaginations of fools!!
I'm telling you, GOD is telling you, look!
Use eyes and ears, dont cover them!
If you want to know He will show you.
If not, He will let you cover your eyes with snake scales. And you will be numbered with the fools in the depth of Sheol!
You clearly have no idea who God is, and you have no idea of His Power!
If He wanted He could make stones speak and praise Him!
Look it up Jesus said it, as plain as the nose on your face!
So your telling me, ...
He can make stones stand up and speak His praise.
He can harden the hearts of Kings like Pharoah, and make them obey the their place!
He can smite Israel, scatter her and gather her, and then surround her with trouble, and make other nations uphold her!
He can detail history in advance one prophesy ontop of another, and fulfill each in order by the stacks throughout generations and millennials!
To the jot and the tittle, by dates and times, and names and locations and participants, and cause them each and every one to sit in their place!
But somehow ...
He can't manage to turn the hearts of single people throughout time, who He raised up to purposely write His Word. And somehow after that effort, let it be taken by the mistakes of man and the assault of his enemies and demons??? Really how is that logical?
So, even though His people, both sets Jews and Christians faced murderous genticide, trived anyway against all odds, and all assaults, but somehow it's within logic or reason that He He cant manage to defend His Word?? Really??
What God can't do the basic elementary defense of battle? He can't move the hands of a men, even His enemies? He can't control print on paper??
Fyi - this is the unreasoning! Here it is! The flood of deceptions, bought by all fools! Turn from folly and seek wisdom!
This is the mind of fools! So study it for yourself, you are accountable. Jesus said to SEEK!!
And stop trying to find loopholes for disobedience!
They do not really exist, only in the imaginations of fools!!
I'm telling you, GOD is telling you, look!
Use eyes and ears, dont cover them!
If you want to know He will show you.
If not, He will let you cover your eyes with snake scales. And you will be numbered with the fools in the depth of Sheol!
Yeah, all of them have a story like this big deal!
FYI I won't watch your link, or read your link , unless I know what you want me to look at. YOUR POINT AND PRESPECTIVE IS THE WHOLE POINT OF DEBATE! If it's worth looking at Tell me why it is worth looking at!
Unless you sell it as worth looking at, it's not worth looking at! It's not debate etiquette or even conversation ettiquette to try to make others be psycic of your point.
And a blip of its title isn't articulation, either!
What wacko thing, Do people actually accommodate that bs in debate. NOONE should! Throw it back and if they have a point, make them articulate it, or sit down!
Make your point if I think it's valid, I'll look.
But please don't waste my time posting some crap without pointing out what you want me to glean from your post point!
I often will quote my points from a link, or copy the portion to make clear what I am saying, but this is a frustrating way many on this site use to their argument, and it is not acceptable form of debate.
It is lazy, and unknowlegable!
It's like you have some general statement, and we all are supposed to somehow make your point for you.
I guess that's a way of hoping, there is a point to be made, and maybe we will stumble on a possible point, to prove something or point that you didn't actually come up with yourself!
Not acceptable! If you don't have a point don't bother me!
Then you should have told me the joke, and I may have listened because you said it was funny!
Am I supposed to figure out your being funny by angels telling me. I hear from God, but my receptors aren't that good! If they were I'd have been taken up already like Enoch, angels aren't having tea with me and telling me everything under the sun. Lol
My point is, you and a few others do this often with a link.
And its foolish. You could be focused on a point, I look and think your making a different point.
If I wanted to argue with an article Id go there.
I appreciate funny though. Thankyou.
But I had no idea you were being funny, and I won't go to something if someone doesn't tell me what they want me to get out of it.
The only mistakes are those made by those without understanding. There is not one mistake, only confusion that God purposely designed to make fools of the proud and the intellect. To show man just how truely foolish their brain farts really are!
If His Word is Hidden from the wise and intelligent, then how are they an authority to teach anything about God?
How are they an authority on a Word, that God purposely blinded them so as not to see?
Again logic and reasoning!
God requires this, that each seek and get answers, and if you seek Him with all of your heart, mind, and strength, to that one He will reveal Himself and His Word.
To the others they are smitten with confusion, and don't know their butt holes from their mouth holes.
And they defecate out of both!
What's even more telling and more interesting, their god of evil-lution, has such a creature, that is their ancestors!
The creature that defecates out of the same mouth they eat with! God fills them with their own feces and vomit. And its all in the Bible. You all should study see if it's true.
God is about to deliver an inheritance of Eternal Life to a gazillion of His children. The rest perish. So no I don't see your point. If you do not come to Him, God isn't changing the life of His children, regardless how lofty you consider your opinion to be.
He didn't consult you, and He didn't ask any of you your view of fair, He didn't ask any of you to evaluate His ways or His Salvation. He doesn't descend to your measure, He would not fit into your small idea. And your measure is meaningless because it's a measure in darkness and is not applicable in the Kingdom of Light and Holiness.
His Holiness is your stumbling in the dark, you have no idea of your measure.
You are like one who looks in a mirror but then forgets what is there. You have a vain imagination of good. And you don't even know how wretched an undone you are before the Holiness of God. The difference between the saved and the damned is this.
Jesus is a stone, those who are proud stand proudly and are crushed to the dust they were born from, Wheras the saved fall on the stone and are broken because they know their measure and they know if not broken, they can't be made whole!
Isaiah was found perfectly intact, to the point they can reconstruct it. And I guarantee if you throw out the rest of the Bible, and keep this one book, you have 100% of all you need to know the way, as the Spirit guides you to understand it.
Jesus said, the old scriptures all speak of Him.
So go to the Jewish library, God made them so meticulous, there may be a few letters misinterpreted over 1000s of years, and they all have the Gospel in them, on every page!
So let's apply logic and reasoning, beyond our big toe.
God delivers a message in Genesis promising a Seed - of Salvation. He follows it through in seed of promise to Abraham. We see this same message repeated consistently 100s even 1000s of times throughout the Bible.
Consistently!
Now the Church is birthed, out to the Gentiles rejected by Jews, which forced it out to ALL Nations, to be brought out to them make a full circle back to the Jews again, which is set to occur and all God needs to do is lift the veil so they can see it.
So even Jesus said this, "to all nations, then the end will come"
So even though emense persecution did not stomp out faith, under Catholic led destruction, God kept bringing His people through, with each generation, they kept thriving anyway. So why would His Word that leads then get messed up so we can't figure out the Way?
Now here is a contrast:
Islam was a force of persecution and forced violent rule in regions. So their religion grew by brute force!
Catholocism also the same!!
But Christians didn't raise a finger against them and obediently followed, and overcame persecution and genticide by being just like their master, who forgave His accusing murderers even from being nailed to a Cross!
And Jesus we know if we are honest, it doesn't even make natural sense that Nation like Israel is still standing, and also that Christianity as the Master established still standing! Without God's Divine intervention turning Nations to war for His people Israel, while the world tried to exterminate them! Umm Just like the true Christians! Yet still there they are, a thorn pricking the hissing pissed off world, raising their fist at a God they insist they don't believe in, or is hidden by falibility of His Word. Yet there they are just as told!
Wow, Logic, 1 + 1 = 2!
So then if the world could not exterminate this thread, with the most visions of persecution throughout history.
Even in documentable indisputable modern history from the dark ages to WW2. Then think!
Don't be stupid like the spoon fed idiots all around you!
I say it that way not to call you an idiot, but to draw attention to the unreasonable thought and the absurd arguments against God and His perfect Word!
Your supposed to be the door keeper evaluating and on guard for information.
It's not shocking that false things would go out. Jesus gave instructions. Do you trust Him to lead, or did He loose you in the dark?
There is a difference between deception and simple mis- interpreted time periods. It would depend on where that lead to. We are obviously diligently studying to logically interpret.
So we would expect some pieces applied that are re-evaluated as out of order. It would depend on their fruit, and are they off
on everything. Or is it apparent they are following light. Light is revelation, that is insight unfolds.
Anyone following the Lord you should understand what good fruit looks like, and then look for good fruit. And if make sure that Jesus and the Word are taken seriously and also joyfully. They should look and feel like a loving happy group. Good fruit tastes good. And that the Gospel, the One Way through Jesus is taught. Born Again with the work of the Spirit, and the Cross, and Resurrection, and showing lives lived in the Spirit of Love.
We realize we are walking in light unfolding.
But it is getting easier as more is fulfilled. So as more is fulfilled the pieces are more clear. There are more indicators in place to support last days prophesies fulfillments. So as time nears it is more apparent, as other prophesies are being fulfilled making those connections is easier to see. It's meant to be known as it is close, because there are specific words for the times. Those words are relevant to the prophetic unfolding of the times.
I guess everyone thinks reading prophesy is like a chrystal ball, that's actually not the Spirit of prophesy. Prophesy isn't fortune telling, it's pre-written history.
The Bible isn't just reporting predictions, or telling the future. That's not the purpose of prophesy.
Prophesy is to look back at, since hindsight is 20 20, it's a testimony of authentication for God to use to reason with the lost, and strengthen our faith by seeing the fulfillments to the letter in God's Word.
Then prophesy is instructional, like when The Temple was destroyed in 70 AD, none of the Christians died in the raid on Jerusalem. Why? Because Jesus prophesied the destruction of the temple, and warned when you see .... run for the hills. - paraphrased, but the prophesy revealed in the back of their mind, they knew what to do when they saw a sign.
So I don't think they were misapplying warning signs when they left for safety. But if they didn't know or pay attention to the signs, they would have stayed and died. So there is a historical example of where the church listened, and we're spared!
Prophesy is to be unfolded when it is appointed to unfold. I don't know if Abraham would have connected the dots of his prophetic words about Isaac and Ishmael. There were two different prophecy direction.
So I don't think 2016 was revealed. He understood promise of future. He understood the Messiah, and that his seed would result in Messiah.
Abraham and Sarah were the father and mother of many nations. And Abraham had promises of Ismael too. He also would father nations. But through Isaac, Abraham is the father of many. Through Ishmael, Ishmael would father many nations.
So God doesn't always give us revelation till the time to plan or follow instructions for the time period. This is a definite movement of God preparing us, and not hype.
There is too much falling into place, and it's a call to be spiritually prepared.
It has nothing to do with stockpiling food, and building a bomb shelter. It has to do with a call to make ready a Bride for the Bridegroom. It's a call to come to the wedding feast.
There will be two tables set. One to celebrate the marriage supper of the Lamb. And the other, is where God serves His enemies up and calls the birds for a feast.
Her posts indeed become more unhinged and zealous as the evening progresses and she gets more drunk. Check out the time of her posts and the increasing craziness to confirm this theory of mine. I've already done the math a few times over the past couple months.
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. - Exodus 20:11
It is undeniable that God intended us to understand that it was, indeed, six literal days.
So how do we deal with the common understanding that "billions of years" was involved?
How do we deal with the astronomical distances of millions of "light years" between the galaxies of the universe?
Can anyone familiar with the discoveries of modern science take the Genesis account seriously?
It may come as a pleasant surprise to discover that the more you know about modern science - the real physics, not the mythology and conjectures that masquerade as "science" - the more you can take the Biblical text seriously.
The Lord always rewards the diligent. (A recent book includes articles by fifty top scientists - from many different fields of specialization - who declare why they believe in a literal six-day creation.
7 The Nature of Time
One of the many advantages that 20th century science has given us is that, thanks to Dr. Albert Einstein's brilliant discoveries, we now know that time is a physical property and is subject to mass, acceleration, and gravity. We have come to realize that we live in a four-dimensional continuum properly known as "space-time."
(This is what Paul seems to imply in his letter to the Ephesians!
8 It is interesting that when one takes the apparent 1012 expansion factor involved in the theories of the "expanding universe," that an assumed 16 billion years reduce to six days!
Furthermore, the astronomical timetables now seem to be entirely overturned with the reluctant acknowledgments that the speed of light is not longer regarded as the constant that the high priests of physics had been previously convinced of.
The Nature of Light
Not only have recent scientific articles highlighted the discoveries that the speed of light has changed over the centuries (something that Barry Setterfield has been declaring for decades) the very nature of light has ripped open the entire world of quantum physics that has shattered our concepts of reality itself.
The changes in the velocity of light not only impacts our understanding of the astronomical distances and properties, it affects the atomic behavior involved in the red shift of spectra, the reliability of radiological dating, etc.
It is the peculiar properties of photons themselves that continue to astonish the quantum physicists wrestling with the very nature of our physical existence. It is now recognized that subatomic particles lack a property known as "locality." All subatomic particles are now understood to be immediately connected. There is a simultaneity - a "non-locality" - among all photons that has been confirmed in the laboratory. It now appears that our entire universe may actually be a gigantic hologram of some kind.
9 The Fabric of Space
Most of us assume that space is simply an empty vacuum with nothing "in it." However, it is increasingly evident that even empty space has astonishing properties that have yet to be fully understood.
We now know that this "firmament," (raqia ) which the Scripture presents, possesses electromagnetic properties including dielectric permittivity, magnetic permeability, an intrinsic impedance,
10 and has an astonishing "zero-point" energy sufficient to keep all the electrons in the entire universe in their orbits.
11 The term "stretching the heavens" appears at least 17 times in the Scriptures.
12 According to the Scriptures, the heavens can be "torn,"
13 "worn out" like a garment,
14 "shaken,"
15 "burnt up,"
16 "split apart" like a scroll,
17 rolled up" like a mantle
18 or a scroll.
19 The concept of being "rolled up" carries some additional insights. There must be some dimension in which space is "thin." If space can be "bent," there must be a direction it can be bent toward.
Thus, this tells us that there must be additional dimensions beyond those of space itself. It is now understood that we live in even more than four dimensions: ten dimensions is the current estimate (which is precisely what Nachmonides concluded in his commentary on Genesis back in the 13th century!)
The more we understand from the current perspectives of modern physics, the more comfortable we are with the chronicle in Genesis One.
The Architecture of the Solar System
The more we study our solar system, the more questions get raised. Here, too, the prevailing assumptions that are broadly taught are totally specious.
The "Nebular Hypothesis," that the planets were somehow thrown off by the sun, is mathematically untenable. There is no plausible explanation that would support a solar origin of the planets.
The sun contains 99.86% of all the mass of the solar system, and yet contains only 1.9% of the angular momentum.
The nine planets contain 98.1%.
Furthermore, the outer planets are far larger than the inner ones. (Jupiter is 5,750 times as massive as mercury, 2,958 times as massive as Mars, etc.)
There are many other provocative enigmas concerning our planetary history:
o There are three pairs of rapid-spin rates among our planets: Mars and Earth, Jupiter and Saturn, and Neptune and Uranus, are each within 3% of each other. Why?
o Earth and Mars have virtually identical spin axis tilts (about 23.5). Why?
(From angular momentum and orbital calculations, it would seem that the three pairs of these planets may have been brought here from elsewhere.)
o Why does Mars have 93% of its craters in one hemisphere and only 7% in the other?
It would appear that over 80% occurred within a single half-hour!
It's almost as if God designed it to challenge any naturalistic hypotheses!
"Evening" and "Morning"?
The Hebrew terms, Erev,and Boker, now refer to "evening" and "morning" but their origins remain obscure.
The time when encroaching darkness begins to deny the ability to discern forms, shapes, and identities; thus, it becomes a term for twilight or evening.
20 This also marks the duration of impurity, when a ceremonially unclean person became clean again,
21 and thus, the beginning of the Hebrew day.
Boker is a designation for becoming discernible, distinguishable, visible; perception of order; relief of obscurity (decreasing entropy). It thus is associated with being able to begin to discern forms, shapes, and distinct identities; breaking forth of light; revealing; hence, denotatively, dawn, morning. (As traditional designations for the Hebrew day, technically it would seem to only designate the nighttime hours, but it is used connotatively for the entire calendar day.)
It is noteworthy that neither of these are recorded on the seventh day, and thus their original significance may have been to designate the increments of creation.
I didn't actually say that. I think the blob of star dust from his fall was used to make earth. Or God placed the raw form of earth to catch his fall and star dust was in the dust when God made man. Keep up. It's not that complicated.
I think the blob of star dust from his fall was used to make earth. Or God placed the raw form of earth to catch his fall and star dust was in the dust when God made man.
A) wha?
B) how does that relate to anything I pointed out?
I didn't say anything about Satan's fall being 6000 light years or 6000 any years. It happened likely before God's book said "In the Beginning" if not then it happened before He said, "Let Light Be!"
Well since day 5 was the 1st 24 hour day. I don't know how old the sun is. I don't know how long the earth sat either till God said Let Light Be
6000 years started with day 1 of Adam.
And the day before that was fish and birds.
And either of those days could have been 24 hours or 1000 years. Because Psalms and 1st Peter says - to God 1 day is as 1000 years, and 1000 years as 1 day.
So I'll break it down again.
Days 1- 4 could be millions or billions of light years. God IS Light! Duh!
Day 5 and Day 6 are either 24 hours OR 1000 years!
Day 7 is INFINITE! Because we know in Hebrews He was still talking about Entering His Rest!
And in John, Jesus says I and the Father are Working, even now.
So what I read says this.
And I don't care how many years it was. It doesn't change my thought on explaining the days, because I'm reading it just as it says.
Satan and his demons inhabited swine and humans, as told throughout the Gospels.
That was Jesus showing us instructionally about Satan's ability, that for understanding, and also to understand He is Greater than a "Legion". One person was tormented by many demons called Legion.
Satan has ability! Satan also has power. Great power.
God is Greater in every way, His power is Greater than all the fallen angels combined. But I don't underestimate the serpent!
He is a mutation to begin with. So what is evolution? He turns into things. He turned into many things in scripture, so he is a powerful shape-shifting mutation. So you probably did find neanderthal and dinosaurs. Maybe He was playing God the Creator for a while, the God said, "enough, idiot, I'll show you how it is done.!" And Satan has currupted seed since after the fall. So what if God did allow Satan to play mini creator?
So whose image will you take? The Creator of all that is Living? Or, the mini creator, who is God of rust and decay and of death?
Maybe that is the darkness that God entered on Day 1, after all the Bible says, "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."
So 6000 years starts when God Created. So the mini creator is evolution!
So then God brought forth man in His image.
And also an order to our ecological system, and let the dangerous mutations He left out in the world.
Why else would God make a Garden Playpen so to speak? And Satan wandered in. It sounds like there was one serpent "the serpent" singular.
We are Christians and believe this book, because it is a consistent unxhanging message headin in one direction with one hoal and purpose, and all roads and stories and events lead to that one goal.
Literaly all stories prophesies, every generation of His faithful have been pointed to one place. And that place is the 33.5 years of Jesus life and His Death and Resurrection.
And then the continuation till the final Resurrection. It's the entire purpose. To bring all of world's history and inhabitants of every generation headed in one direction to His final purpose. "The Will Be Done, On Earth as it is in Heaven!"
It all makes sense, catch this!
He made two genealogies on purpose to use to show us things. He showed us what was happening by these two example of geneology. He showed the 1st set as Cain killing, lieing, and and like an animal, he was marked and exiled. Wile innocent bloos cried from the ground.
And then you go to chapter two, God distinguishes between things going on outside of the Garden, and inside the Garden. And a key word is God breathed life into Him. The 1st man to have the Holy Spirit in Him. Anything before him was possibly the mini-creator trying to outdo God.
These chapters has mysteries to know galore!
So, He shows the 1st set - Cain who chose, worldliness, violence, lieing, and murder - like an unreasoning animal.
Jesus called the devil "a father" to the foul Pharisees.
And God declared enmity between the serpent's seed and the Seed of Promise which was Jesus the Christ prophesied at the fall. And Revelations clearly discusses these two images. From Genesis to Revelations. Every prophet, every event, even separating of Nations, like through Isaac and Ishmael. Good trees and bad trees, wheat and tares, etc etc etc
And he clearly defines Cain's as a toss away that "and it was so" while Adam new through Seth, "and do it was good, men began to call on the Lord"
Every detail is noted for Adams line through Seth. But not of Cain's lineage. The only thing he bothers with is naming 6 generations, then showing Cain's sixth generation progressed into father murder and violence, and depravity.
in God.
So although Cain life begins through Adam, they become two seeds and two separate images, with two separate outcomes.
God doesn't bother to count or be concerned with the days of Cain's family heritage. He doesn't say when they died, or when their sons where born. He brush strokes that they are His children, and not in His image.
So that's the difference in DNA, we are all born of DNA of this Dust. But our hearts are earth, and seed has grown, and you are either a good tree like the good trees in the Garden, which we are like the Tree of Life in the Garden, Jesus. Or we are a bad tree from seed from the fruit of the bad tree. Which those of evolution that deny God, we'll your being rotten apples, plain and simply bad fruit. And all tree that bear bad fruit will be cut down and thrown in the fire.
"Born Again" that is The Way back, the gate back in to the Garden. And it is our seal and our ticket in.
We change, and at the final Resurrection at the end of the age, we will be physically transformed to bodies made of Stardust, but with our spirits and souls in our glorified bodies
That's the prize. That's Eternal Life. You wouldn't like it though, a wholw world full of reasoning peace loving God praising Christians walking around like lit up stardust, and no darkness, disease, or devils. That a church on steroids day in Hell! Who wants that?!?
Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
We have a very good understanding of how our Solar System formed, with mountains of evidence and mathematical proofs to prove it. It would be beneficial to you if you expanded your knowledge and learned some Cosmology.
What's it like to be ruled by a non-existent imaginary best friend whom you call god?
What's it like to be ruled by a Bronze Age collection of Hebrew Mythology?
And what's it like for you when that same absentee god you worship has never shown his face to you? Or for that matter, done ANYthing for you? Other then, of course, serve as an emotional placebo?
Funny that you mentioned robots. I alwsy thought those glazed-eyed religious zealots like those laughable TV preachers and those snake handler babblers looked like robots.
Being free from worshiping by fake gods and being constrained by religious and superstitious nonsense, us atheist actually enjoy far more freedom than you will ever know.
Knowledge is power. As is understanding the world and the Cosmos. And nature. And our place in it.
I continue to find it absolutely hilarious how as the evening progresses and you get drunker and drunker sitting at your computer drinking cheap Chianti, that your posts get more and more psychotic sounding.
Is hubby doing ALL the real estate business these days? I'm sure your marriage is going splendidly, too.
I think we are finding God is proven and confirmed.
As we take the Bible both literally and spiritually, interpreting as taught by the Word itself, and also with the Holy Spirit within us, as truth unfolds and is further revealed, science will find themselves dumb at God's revelation of science in His Word.
And we all will look upon them and wonder, " How did they fit both feet in their mouth while their heads were up their asses? That will look beastly for sure!
Any discrepancies are on the readers part, not on the authors part.
1 The field of biology has now discovered it is restricted by the boundary conditions of the information sciences. Its historical love affair with Darwinism is now being shattered by advances in microbiology, highlighted by the disturbing revelations of Michael Denton, Philip Johnson, and Michael Behe, et al., revealing biology's apparent immunity to truth and reason.
2 But now the field of physics, too, is in turmoil. Quantum physics has resulted in the abandonment of causality, the cornerstone of empirical science. And whether we address the units of length, mass, or time, we discover that they are composed of indivisible units that ultimately cannot be divided without losing their "locality."
3 The more one knows about particle physics and quantum mechanics, the more provocative these "science fiction" episodes become. Indeed, it was Dr. Albert Einstein that admitted,
People who believe in physics, know that the distinction between the past, present, and the future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
And as physics goes, so too the entire field of cosmology. I believe it was Paul Davies who observed, It is as if our entire universe is nothing more than a thought in the Mind of God.
The current genre of virtual reality films, while still retaining many of the moral deficiencies that have come to characterize the products of our entertainment industry, can still be provocative and useful in conceptualizing our present situation: we find ourselves in what can be accurately described as a digital simulation.
And transitions in and out of our space-time - from one "hyperspace" to another - is a potential rationalization of the more disturbing UFO reports and other apparent visits from dimensionalities other than our own.
It is also a way of conceptualizing the strangest transition of all: the harpazo, the "Great Snatch," which Paul alludes to in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-53.
(A "twinkling of an eye" is not to be confused with a blink; at the speed of light passing through the retina, it is about 10-43 seconds - the very digital boundary of time itself.)
Theists and nontheiesta obviously have very similar sense experience, the difference is the conclusions we draw from them. Somehow you have concluded from your experiences that you have this thing you call a soul and that there is some spiritual dimension to existence. Unfortunately, I have not been blessed with any experiences that would lead me to a remotely similar conclusions. Why would God choose to allow you to explore these added dimensions, but deny them to me? My suspicion is that you are drawing more conclusions from your experience than is truly justified. I suspect these added dimensions do not exists and you are simply defending dark age myths because of social conditioning. I can't be sure since you subjective experience is inaccessible to me. But if I am wrong, my questions still stands: why did God give you access to the supernatural realm but deny it to me?
Wow, no ora, no sixth sense, no premonitions, no perception, no dreams, no visions, no understanding, only academia, only driven by your biolgyical requirement, survival, and dominance. No feelings, no emotions, only those convenient to ones biology. Love doesn't exist, it can't. There is no spirit or soul. So they can't be real, only tricks of your mind to feed you basic instinct.
You are mere animals programmed by the demands of your biology. That is all you are, because that is all you can be.
So pardon me for not being interested, it doesn't sound at all appealing to me!
What atheists can see is straight through your superstition and threats. Which is further than you yourself can see.....................................................
Going back to SyFy, an analogy to your argument is either you watch Sharknado and believe it enough that there's possibly more to enrich your life, or you turn the channel or turn the TV off completely and then bummer there can't possibly be a Sharknado.
That's interesting. I told my middle daughter a few weeks ago of some things God was showing me. And she loves Dr Who, I've caught one or two episodes with her, and know her love for Dr Who. I have hated sci-fi all my life. Literally as a kid I hated it, as an adult I hated it. I just didn't enjoy that type of entertainment.
I am what they call the modern prime time sci-fi watcher, at max. I like flash because of the prime time presentation, not for the crazy science of it.
So, When I told her I think maybe God is showing me that a blackhole was connected to Sheol, and we maybe suspended in it and sinking down. She cracked up so bad, I thought I'd have to bring her to the ER. Lol.
She said, you won't believe it, Dr Who has an episode just like that. And we watched it together.
Now absent of the theatrics and most of the concepts on this episode parts 1 and 2 of Dr Who, the main concept of the hole and the gravity was curiously what I think God has been showing me throughout my studies of the Word.
The point here is, Satan is the god of this world, there are Spiritual truths all around us, woven in as entertainment.
So some of the Greek mythology we enjoy, isn't fiction, some is, and of course Satan is puffed up, so he will make a theatrical embellishment of spiritual realities.
And he is the deciever so he will entertain, and even mock spiritual truths through entertainment.
Evolution you see exists, but why? How? Could he also create similar to God? If Satan challenged God, wouldn't it be logical to assume he feels he is able to challenge God.
Would a child who can run, challenge a parent who can run? How about a child in a wheel chair, would they challenge a run against a run? A challenge only occurs when a challenger feels they have an ability that can be exalted to reach for a challenge.
So God speaks things into existence. Enoch says He bring down from Heaven what is invisible and makes them visible.
This world and all in it is a super advanced hologram.
Isn't it interesting, the focus of man's search for knowledge and entertainment was written since the beginning?
How many alter reality shows have we watched. Could it be our creativity has its roots in the most advanced depths of a Spirit realm that is in a battle for our hearts, minds, and souls, and eventually our bodies also?
Really, so that's how you dismiss the dimensions we oddly see working in the lives of humans everyday. Pretty simplistic narrow approach for one whose strength is in academia.
It goes far beyond imminent danger, it goes to feeling things that aren't imminent.
So I'm not merely asking this simplistic approach.
I'm asking about the larger dimensions, then the predator and prey, and the fight or flight. These are very elemetary and basic, and we all should know, it goes far beyond that. So let's not play cat and mouse!
I'm asking people to think for a few minures, and really ask questions. By what means do we feel things that aren't clear as in danger right in our animal dimension of space and perception. And how are some more sensive to these understandings than others?
Perception and discernment that goes beyond your basic animal instincts. We already know man is being reduced to a basic animal.
I'm trying to remind you of the bigger picture. The dimensions you all seem to forget exist. Living as animals, not even noticing this is being stripped out of you conscious awareness.
And hey guess what, it is part of God's judgement. When its gone, your fate is sealed in darkness, that is the decent, when all your lights go out, like the morning star! Fall in pride, all down to Sheol.
A decission process does not always equal discernment.
You can discern by process of thought, but sometimes it's interpretive from gut. When its not reasonable to have known, that is the portion I am speaking of
We live in many dimensions, unless your an atheist, they apparently don't have a Spirit or soul. So emotion follows only their biological demands. There is only biology to the atheist. So what ever they are programed by, is their code.
We have an ora, a sixth sense, we recieve premonitions, perception, discernment, dreams, visons, understanding.
It comes from God in the spiritual dimension. But Satan perverts it in sorcery and astrology. God calls this spiritualism an abomination.
Atheism consists on the absence in the belief of gods. It has nothing to do lack of spirit or soul. Homme est un etre pensant. Cogito ergo Sum.
I can agree that some people understand the fields of psychology a lot better than others. However, believing in God doesn't make you more or less capable.
Psychology is a subject that goes outside our world of phenomena. It explores a world of Id, Ego and Superego (according to Fraud). These are intangible entities that cannot be tested in traditional ways. It is world were most things cannot be explained and if they can it can only be your own truth.
I believe that man is more than an animal: it is an animal who can think, who can believe in God, who can dream, who can predict,who is conscious of its existence. That capacity is given to every human. All Humans have a psyche. Don't think you are special because you believe in God.
Some maybe don't believe in God but believe that we have something more than what we can see or touch.
If you believe in something more you are not an atheist.
So then you believe in some kind of spirit thing.
Atheist can't have a soul if they do not believing in anything. A psychic perception is not found in biological presentation. Therefore they can only percieve what is definable by biology.
How common are religious delusions found among persons with psychotic disorders? Prevalence rates depend on the particular psychotic disorder and the location in the world where the person lives. In less religious areas of the world, for example, one study showed that only 7% of 324 Japanese inpatients had delusions of persecution and religious guilt (Tateyama et al., 1998). This rate is similar to those from a nation-wide study of hospitalized patients with schizophrenia in Japan involving 429 patients, where the prevalence of religious delusions was 11% (Kitamur et al., 1998).
In the United States, a number of studies have examined religious delusions in patients with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. The first of these reported results of a small study of 41 psychotic patients in New York City, finding that 39% of those with schizophrenia and 22% of those with mania had religious delusions (Cothran & Harvey, 1986). In a much larger study of 1,136 psychiatric inpatients in the mid-western and eastern United States, 25% of patients with schizophrenia and 15% of those with bipolar disorder had religious delusions (Appelbaum et al., 1999). Compared to other delusions, religious delusions appeared to be held with greater conviction than other delusions. Finally, Getz and colleagues (2001) compared the frequency of religious delusions across religious denomination in 133 inpatients (74% schizophrenia) at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center. Religious delusions were documented in 24% of 33 non-religious patients, 43% of 71 Protestant patients, and 21% of 29 Catholic patients.
In Europe and Great Britain, one study of 251 inpatients with schizophrenia in Austria and Germany reported a prevalence rate of 21% for religious delusions (Tateyama et al., 1998). One of the most detailed studies to date from Great Britain found that 24% of 193 patients with schizophrenia had religious delusions (Siddle et al., 2002a). Patients with religious delusions had more severe hallucinations and bizarre delusions, had poorer functioning, a longer duration of illness, and were taking more anti-psychotic medication than other patients. Thus, in studies of patients with schizophrenia, religious delusions are present in 7-11% of Japanese patients, 21-24% of Western European patients, and 21-43% of patients in the United States.
A few studies have also examined religious delusions among psychiatric patients in Brazil. Nucci and Dalgalarrondo report a series of eye enucleation in six cases of psychiatric patients, five unilateral and one bilateral enucleation (Mucci & Dalgalarrondo, 2000). Religious delusions were a significant factor in many of these cases, with patients following Matthew 5:29 "If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell." These patients often had an acute exacerbation of schizophrenia, and the self-inflicted enucleation occurred many years after the beginning of illness. Six cases were seen within a 10-year period at a Brazilian university hospital.
In the only systematic study of psychiatric patients conducted thus far in Brazil, researchers examined 200 consecutive admissions to a general psychiatric hospital (Dantas et al., 1999). To identify religious content, an item was added to the BPRS-extended form. Patients with all psychiatric diagnoses were included, not just those with psychotic disorders. Investigators report that 15.7% of all patients had moderate to intense symptoms of religious content. A strong correlation was found between manic symptoms and religious experiences.
What is the origin of religious delusions? Religious delusions exist on a continuum between the normal beliefs of healthy individuals and the fantastic beliefs of the psychotic patients. In psychotic patients, religious delusions are usually accompanied by other symptoms and/or behaviors of mental illness, and do not appear to serve any positive function (Siddle et al., 2002a). Persons with psychotic symptoms are known to have increased activation of the right brain hemisphere, which is also found in healthy persons having mystical experiences or paranormal beliefs (Lohr & Caligiuri, 1997; Pizzagalli et al., 2000; Makarec & Persinger, 1985). However, attempts to locate the origin of religious delusions in the brain have not revealed findings that are consistent with neuroimaging research described above. The only study to date, to my knowledge, suggested that religious delusions result from a combination of over-activity of the left temporal lobe and under-activity of the left occipital lobe (Puri et al., 2001). Thus, until more research is done, the neuroanatomical origin of religious delusions remains uncertain.
(re-printed from an article on religious delusions from the American Journal of Psychiatry)......
Actually, neurology and psychology and Biology all prove that YOU as a human being do not have a soul, either. It is not just us atheists.
IT matters not a shit what you believe, or how deluded you are. Or how mired in your superstitious...er, religious beliefs. All of our minds and neurological systems are the same. And we have shown how ALL the things you people claim are part of a "soul" can be explained with purely materialistic and scientific facts.
Just like we explain how all those NDE's occur, and what causes them. Just like we routinely debunk those who claim to have visited "the other side" in a NDE. Just like we busted that little twit kid who made-up that story about "Heaven is Real."
Just so you know, we always get a good chuckle from your stories. We know where they come from and you don't. That is the irony of this whole deal.
The Bible knows and has shows itself as the authority!
Fundamental Constants?
The Mysteries of Pi and e
by Chuck Missler
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The Value of Pi
The recent discovery that the speed of light is not a constant has created quite a stir—and rethinking—in both physics and cosmology. (Although the spate of recent articles always fails to credit Barry Setterfield for calling this to our attention over a decade ago!) However, there does appear to be at least two intrinsic constants in the universe: π and e.
We all met π (“pi”) in school when we had to deal with the circumference of a circle and similar matters. “Pi are squared” sounds like bad grammar, but it is correct geometry for the area of a circle, πr2. We approximated it with 22/7, until we got into engineering circles where we learned that, more precisely, it was 3.141592654… (It has recently been calculated to a trillion decimal places!1) As we have previously mentioned in several of our materials, π is also a “hidden treasure” in the Hebrew text of 1st Kings 7:23.2 When one corrects the letter values for a variation of the spelling, the 46-foot circumference of Solomon’s “molten sea” is specified to an accuracy of better than 15 thousandths of an inch!
Natural Logarithms
Perhaps less well known to most of our less technical subscribers is the base of Naperian (“natural”) logarithms, e . It shows up in myriads of places in advanced engineering and mathematics such as:
In wave mechanics, X = Aekt
Or electrical theory, Q(t) = Qe-t/RC
In advanced math, Eix = Cos x +iSin x, where i = (-1)1/2
And the distribution of prime numbers: A(x) = x/logex
It is defined by e = lim (1 + 1/n)n
n->
and it is usually approximated by 2.718281828.
A Rabbinical Tradition
The ancient Hebrew sages believed, of course, that God created the heavens and the earth. However, some of them believed that the Word of God was the very template with which He did it. This strikes some of us as simply a colorful exaggeration that goes beyond any direct evidence. There are hints here and there. There are two well-known references to the creation in the Scripture: Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. Let’s look “underneath” the text of each of these.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
In Hebrew:
Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew
If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (see chart), and apply them to this formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
The number of words x the product of the words
You get 3.1416 x 1017. The value of π to four decimal places! Hmm.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In Greek:
John 1:1 in Greek
This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (see chart), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
The number of words x the product of the words
You now get 2.7183 x 1040, the value of e. Curious!
Significance?
Each of these is another of those puzzling ostensible “coincidences” that are too astonishing to dismiss, and yet present challenges in suggesting any real significance. 3 And taken together, they do evoke some conjectures. There are, however, at least two problems: why just four decimal places (they both deviate from the fifth place onwards) and what do you do with all the “extra zeroes”?
The ancient Hebrew sages believed, of course, that God created the heavens and the earth. However, some of them believed that the Word of God was the very template with which He did it.
This strikes some of us as simply a colorful exaggeration that goes beyond any direct evidence.
There are hints here and there. There are two well-known references to the creation in the Scripture:
Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. Let’s look “underneath” the text of each of these.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
In Hebrew:
Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew
If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (see chart), and apply them to this formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
÷
The number of words x the product of the words
You get 3.1416 x 1017. The value of π to four decimal places!
.....Hmm.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In Greek:
John 1: 1 in Greek
This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (see chart), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
÷
The number of words x the product of the words
You now get 2.7183 x 1040, the value of e. Curious!
.
Significance?
Each of these is another of those puzzling ostensible “coincidences” that are too astonishing to dismiss, and yet present challenges in suggesting any real significance.
3 And taken together, they do evoke some conjectures.
There are, however, at least two problems: why just four decimal places (they both deviate from the fifth place onwards) and what do you do with all the “extra zeroes”?
Matt 11
25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.
26 Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight.
27 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Jesus calls chasing after the world a yoke. He compares His yoke, and says it is easy and restful. A yoke is a bar guided.
We all wear a yoke, we are all slaves, one yoke leads to adoption as children, the others never are
released from their yoke.
No certificate of freedom.
Your yoke determines if you will remain a slave to a cruel taskmaster or if you will be born again and be renewed daily till you see Him as He fully is, and are changed in a twinkling of an eye.
FYI, twinkling of an eye is a scientific term. It's the aperture of light through the pupil of the eye. It's a fraction of light and time in the lowest divisible form.
The Bible has more science in it then you can imagine!
It's interesting they used a knowledge they couldn't have scientifically defined or knew of.
The field of biology has now discovered it is restricted by the boundary conditions of the information sciences. Its historical love affair with Darwinism is now being shattered by advances in microbiology, highlighted by the disturbing revelations of Michael Denton, Philip Johnson, and Michael Behe, et al., revealing biology's apparent immunity to truth and reason.
But now the field of physics, too, is in turmoil. Quantum physics has resulted in the abandonment of causality, the cornerstone of empirical science. And whether we address the units of length, mass, or time, we discover that they are composed of indivisible units that ultimately cannot be divided without losing their "locality."
The more one knows about particle physics and quantum mechanics, the more provocative these "science fiction" episodes become. Indeed, it was Dr. Albert Einstein that admitted,
People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between the past, present, and the future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
And as physics goes, so too the entire field of cosmology. I believe it was Paul Davies who observed,
It is as if our entire universe is nothing more than a thought in the Mind of God.
The current genre of virtual reality films, while still retaining many of the moral deficiencies that have come to characterize the products of our entertainment industry, can still be provocative and useful in conceptualizing our present situation: we find ourselves in what can be accurately described as a digital simulation.
And transitions in and out of our space-time - from one "hyperspace" to another - is a potential rationalization of the more disturbing UFO reports and other apparent visits from dimensionalities other than our own.
It is also a way of conceptualizing the strangest transition of all: the harpazo, the "Great Snatch," which Paul alludes to in
1 Thessalonians 4:16 -18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-53.
(A "twinkling of an eye" is not to be confused with a blink; at the speed of light passing through the retina, it is about 10-43 seconds - the very digital boundary of time itself.)
I believe that there are things we cannot explain, things we cannot even see.
Why do I feel? Do we think in words or images? Is moral natural? Who am I? Can I know myself?
However, I do not believe that there is a God and it doesn't me stop from answering questions like why do we live to eventually die. Those are questions that can be answered without going through the existence of a God. There is philosophy. Philosophers do not necessarily believe in the existence of a God.
But the biggest error in your arguments is your definition of atheism. Atheism is not an absence of all beliefs. It is the non-belief in the existence of a God.
Someone can be atheist and be an existentialist. Existentialism is a belief that existence proceeds essence. No God.
I don't think I said I believed in spiritual things. The reason I do not believe in God is because I believe that human beings exist but it is only after they exist that some essence that can be called "human" may develop. I build my essence, not God. I accept there are things we cannot see or explain. Our world is absurd.
I actually did investigate the existence of God(s)... For very long I did believe in a God. But I decided to see what came out of a not believing in God.
Suppose that there is no God. There is then no human nature, no already created meanings, since no one was there to create it.
Here I am, new to this Godless World, conscious of the fact that nature, as well as every inanimate object, is indifferent towards me and my existence. The anxious feelings lead to me to realize that meaning exists only when I create it for myself.
What that mans is first I exist and only after can I define myself and my surrounding. If man is indefinable it is because at first he is nothing. Only afterward will he be something, and he himself will have made what he will be. In this logic, not only is man what he conceives himself to be, but he is also only what he wills himself to be after this thrust toward existence.
It was that conclusion that led me to not believing in God: for mental freedom. My atheism isn't because of the absence of evidence a God but mostly because I don't want to believe in God.
So, I am atheist who believes in essence. I just don't believe God gave me my human nature. I did.
I think God is proven, as science is grappling with these things, with a scientific awareness of properties related to time, and light and invisible dimensions, the microcosm, and macrocosm, and even the theorie of science is saying, our universe exists without a point of singularity, meaning the universe is finite. Which still what's on the other side?
And even in Steven Hawkins creative dome of "curved space" which he claims has properties able to cause it all to "create itself," from within itself, well what is in the microcosm?
How about common sense? These are all discussed by people without a particle accelerator!
All these concepts have been described in a book 1000s of years ago. For being a top notch physicist, how can you not ask if Biblical knowledge and concepts are curiously applicable, then why and how do these concepts make it into the Bible, but it doesn't just simply make it into the Bible. It's consistent through every writer, it is the entirety of its mrssage!
Some of the Bible authors expand the concepts even more than the others.
And then Jesus took these concepts out, and showed them expanded for understanding that surpassed their language and their advancements!
Giving understanding to the foolish Bible writers and God's people that confound the intelligent, and are just unraveling now to modern Quantum Physicists.
So I can see why God said over and over He will make fools of the wise and intelligent and make geniuses out of the simple.
Simply put, we understand Quantum Physics by the simple way of faith, and Quantum Physics took 6000 years to gain an outline of its complications.
Whereas by faith, we have lived it. So we understand it, by understanding simplicity, they are too smart to understand it even when the principles we have always known in faith have "come to light."
Maybe in some way, everything that is hidden comes to light, and those who love darkness can't experience light, is this property.
God will mock them by their own intelligence, as their own intelligence should have pointed them to the Creator, the Word of God, created all things.
So is it any wonder that Quantum Physics is strung through like connecting strings throughout the Bible?
The math is there, it is summed up in this, they choose to worship and serve the creature rather than the Creator, even though Creation itself confirms God so everyone of us is without excuse.
Aren't we seeing Creation itself confirming everything God ever said?
I think so!
That's when common sense then is more advanced then science!
If these Physics principles are true Mr Steven Hawkins of Physics Science, then how are they know by the ancient prophets?
There are several scriptures that say space has some density. According to scripture, Heaven (space) can be bent, can be shaken, rolled up, bent like a tent for God to enter and dwell in. Scripture has defined light as a property that transcends present and goes into past presents and future at one time.
Elijah in a battle shows dimensions to his servant by praying Lord show him, and the servant saw angels ready for battle. In an unseen, unknowable dimmmension.
Mathmatics?
The Bible is riddled with patterns of mathmatical proportions beyond their possible advancements!
Pi is found in the Hebrew numerical value of Genesis 1:1 the equation of advanced math "e" found in the Greek numeric value of John 1: 1 - Both of these scriptures announced Creation.
So to find advancements of math are indicative of purposeful design right in the 1st verses of both the old and new Testament are interesting to say the least!
And written language even its direction Hidden in the text showing both ways with YHWY in the middle in math equation of divisibility by the famous number "7" And these are just puzzle pieces, but they fit together like the are one picture scattered in pieces that undeniably are pieces of ONLY one picture.
How does that happen through 1000s of years and 66 writers that make up One Book? God's Word to mankind, in one Singularity, "One Bang" One - the smallest division that is the single point of Oneness, in Quantum Physics, is God in the microcosm?
It seems to me that the micro cosmetology is the point of Creation. We find God in a Kingdom of Light that is One. We are stones making up this One Kingdom, not divided against itself, because it is divided down to its oneness of division, where no division beyond it exists. ONE! The Lord our God is ONE!
Can you imagine when God unravels all his secrets hidden in the text, how foolish smart men like Steven Hawkins will be on that day?
And think about it, two languages used to write the Bible, Hebrew and in the time of Jesus Greek.
Two languages where each letter conveys three interpretive properties. multi- dimensional thought in writing!
letter value to form words, picture value for understanding concept, and numeric value to code writing in diversities as complicated as DNA coding. Which if applied may suggest digital coding, a hologram, living in a matrix with dimensions of unseen particles right next to us. Which some can perceive and others are dull to.
It's unusual when you look st the Bible from a prespective of God in physics and mathmatics.
And appearances of "ufos" are curious they seem to come and go through dimensions. Well the Bible talks about this in
I think this warfare mentioned in the Bible at the very least is hands down curious and to the wise should be investigated.
Even the Resurrection is a dimensional concept. And the Bible weirdly went out of its way to highlight these things. And science proves God everyday. Can we box God in by science, but because within this crazy book, every crazy science advancement is detailed!
So the common sense would be who told the guy without technology that Light is eternal and can be everywhere at once?
Or that right next to us are dimensional factors of presence that can't be seen with the physical eye, like in many places but Elijah is a good example?
Or that genes can be manipulated and cross mutated on purpose with creatures to make unnatural creation by manipulating basic natural creation?
Or that a hair on the head is knowing us, our individuality in a hair?
Or a transformation of our physical bodies by a twinkling of an eye which is speed of light as seen in photography, the speed of light that enters the pupil of the eye?
And the references to these, Like when Jesus says if the eye
has light the body is full of light. so we have Jesus describing
a transcending of dimension by Light in the eye, transforming our mortality to immortality, and in Thessalonians it's described as happening in a "twinkling"
How did they know the speed of light that transcends our physicality? Or time? Or the place where light in arc of direction is an eternal property. Where light speed is so fast that time stands still. Or that the theory of Quantum Physics shows what the Bible says the sword of His Word dividing to the smallest possible division.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
The whole Bible is physics. String Theory?
Hmm oneness?
The last final division possible in physical locality, results in non-locality, and it becomes one with everything.
How much is Oneness discussed in the Bible?
It's weird to have all these concepts rolled up and discussed exhaustingly from Genesis to Revelations!
Oneness, God, the Trinity, The Spirit within us, Oneness within us making communication with God possible by breaking down our physical consciousness and opening up our dimensional consciousness.
Oneness, able to communicate in subparticles in many degrees of division to the marrow! not through expansion out but in. The wheels in Ezekiel shining with eyes all around it, inside each other by way of projecting dimensions within dimensions.
God is found in the lowest possible division, where one singularity exists as a Kingdom that cannot divide against itself! Hello? Is God in Science? Well hasn't He described it all along?
What holds a Kingdom together, and what divides a Kingdom.
Matt 12
25 And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
27 If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
30 He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.
26 Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight.
27 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Jesus calls chasing after the world a yoke. He compares His yoke, and says it is easy and restful. A yoke is a bar guided.
We all wear a yoke, we are all slaves, one yoke leads to adoption as children, the others never are released from their yoke.
No certificate of freedom.
Your yoke determines if you will remain a slave to a cruel taskmaster or if you will be born again and be renewed daily till you see Him as He fully is, and are changed in a twinkling of an eye.
FYI, twinkling of an eye is a scientific term. It's the aperture of light through the pupil of the eye. It's a fraction of light and time in the lowest divisible form.
The Bible has more science in it then you can imagine!
It's interesting they used a knowledge they couldn't have scientifically defined or knew of.
The field of biology has now discovered it is restricted by the boundary conditions of the information sciences. Its historical love affair with Darwinism is now being shattered by advances in microbiology, highlighted by the disturbing revelations of Michael Denton, Philip Johnson, and Michael Behe, et al., revealing biology's apparent immunity to truth and reason.
But now the field of physics, too, is in turmoil. Quantum physics has resulted in the abandonment of causality, the cornerstone of empirical science. And whether we address the units of length, mass, or time, we discover that they are composed of indivisible units that ultimately cannot be divided without losing their "locality."
The more one knows about particle physics and quantum mechanics, the more provocative these "science fiction" episodes become. Indeed, it was Dr. Albert Einstein that admitted,
People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between the past, present, and the future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
And as physics goes, so too the entire field of cosmology. I believe it was Paul Davies who observed,
It is as if our entire universe is nothing more than a thought in the Mind of God.
The current genre of virtual reality films, while still retaining many of the moral deficiencies that have come to characterize the products of our entertainment industry, can still be provocative and useful in conceptualizing our present situation: we find ourselves in what can be accurately described as a digital simulation.
And transitions in and out of our space-time - from one "hyperspace" to another - is a potential rationalization of the more disturbing UFO reports and other apparent visits from dimensionalities other than our own.
It is also a way of conceptualizing the strangest transition of all: the harpazo, the "Great Snatch," which Paul alludes to in
1 Thessalonians 4:16 -18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-53.
(A "twinkling of an eye" is not to be confused with a blink; at the speed of light passing through the retina, it is about 10-43 seconds - the very digital boundary of time itself.)
I find your generalisation to be detrimental to the position offered. AGain, to clarify, Atheism addresses a single issue: Do you, or do you not believe a God or Gods exist.
Atheism rejects the claim. It does not make any assertions of it's own. How then do do justify your claim that Atheists (Capital 'A,' so I assume you meant to generalize) hold Islam as Peaceful?
I am trying to show how absurd it is to believe in spiritual existence without a spiritual dimension. If there is a spiritual dimension, then wouldn't that indicate that God is more likely than not likely?
There is beauty in everything. On the Gaza Strip there is beauty in how families love each other, there is beauty in patriotism (arguably)... many things. Beauty doesn't even have to be so grand.. there is beauty in every day life.
To this generation of academia and intellect as your god and your strength, God will scoff and mock at you!
Let me fill you all in on the end of God's final work in this generation.
Who ever still can reason in their mind, should consider this and study it for yourself, test it, see if it is true.
Deceptions will be revealed soon and are right now. God is explaining and revealing like in no other time period!
He will pull off the snake scales that have covered your eyes, which you all allowed because you are an enemy of the True God. They are your own snake scales because you hardened your hearts again your Creator, and you mocked like foolish people who have no understanding at all!
He is going to make you see how absolutely stupid and foolish you all truely are, that a brain of a mouse will prove to be smarter than the smartest among you!
God is going to mock and scoff at you!
NOT because you couldn't find that which is hidden.
But because He will reveal all things to this generation, as it actually is! With no excuse for any, and no ability to deny that the TRUTH was as plain as day, and as visible ad the nose on your face!
And it will be undeniable like it's written on the back of your hand clever hand, and condemn you on your clever forhead! So clearly, that you will mock yourself and smack yourself with that hand for ALL ETERNITY!
GOD will scoff and mock at you, why?
Because you were so intelligent, so smart, so dumb!
You missed Him in the most easy and basic knowledge, elementary kindergarten intellect of a child. Even children will laugh at your calamity.
He will mock at you! The children will mock at you!
You will all be blithering stammering stupid stumbling tripping over each other idiots! Like the three stooges, no not even that smart!
As you slap yourselves silly, and smack each other with your same dumb hand!
As the simple truth condemns you all, as you look through Eternity reading your folly, your forever name on the back of your hand. Which is attached to your broken arm. An arm that has no strength at all!
That weak arm couldn't have saved you from a flea, let alone the damnation that God will deliver mockingly hurled with His arrows of mockery, reminding you every moment of your foolishness!
Your name engraved on you for head and your hand "a fool" the common name of the grave of Sheol. As Sheol mocks at you as well!
To this generation of academia and intellect as your god and your strength, God will scoff and mock at you!
Let me fill you all in on the end of God's final work in this generation.
Who ever still can reason in their mind, should consider this and study it for yourself, test it, see if it is true.
Deceptions will be revealed soon and are right now. God is explaining and revealing like in no other time period!
He will pull off the snake scales that have covered your eyes, which you all allowed because you are an enemy of the True God. They are your own snake scales because you hardened your hearts again your Creator, and you mocked like foolish people who have no understanding at all!
He is going to make you see how absolutely stupid and foolish you all truely are, that a brain of a mouse will prove to be smarter than the smartest among you!
God is going to mock and scoff at you!
NOT because you couldn't find that which is hidden.
But because He will reveal all things to this generation, as it actually is! With no excuse for any, and no ability to deny that the TRUTH was as plain as day, and as visible ad the nose on your face!
And it will be undeniable like it's written on the back of your hand clever hand, and condemn you on your clever forhead! So clearly, that you will mock yourself and smack yourself with that hand for ALL ETERNITY!
GOD will scoff and mock at you, why?
Because you were so intelligent, so smart, so dumb!
You missed Him in the most easy and basic knowledge, elementary kindergarten intellect of a child. Even children will laugh at your calamity.
He will mock at you! The children will mock at you!
You will all be blithering stammering stupid stumbling tripping over each other idiots! Like the three stooges, no not even that smart!
As you slap yourselves silly, and smack each other with your same dumb hand!
As the simple truth condemns you all, as you look through Eternity reading your folly, your forever name on the back of your hand. Which is attached to your broken arm. An arm that has no strength at all!
That weak arm couldn't have saved you from a flea, let alone the damnation that God will deliver mockingly hurled with His arrows of mockery, reminding you every moment of your foolishness!
Your name engraved on you for head and your hand "a fool" the common name of the grave of Sheol. As Sheol mocks at you as well!
Nebacanezzer will even mock at you! At least he turned to reason!
31 While the word was in the king’s mouth, a voice came from heaven, saying, ‘King Nebuchadnezzar, to you it is declared: sovereignty has been removed from you,
32 and you will be driven away from mankind, and your dwelling place will be with the beasts of the field. You will be given grass to eat like cattle, and seven periods of time will pass over you until you recognize that the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind and bestows it on whomever He wishes.’
33 Immediately the word concerning Nebuchadnezzar was fulfilled; and he was driven away from mankind and began eating grass like cattle, and his body was drenched with the dew of heaven until his hair had grown like eagles’ feathers and his nails like birds’ claws.
34 “But at the end of that period, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever;
For His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
And His kingdom endures from generation to generation.
35 “All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing,
But He does according to His will in the host of heaven
And among the inhabitants of earth;
And no one can ward off His hand
Or say to Him, ‘What have You done?’
36 At that time my reason returned to me. And my majesty and splendor were restored to me for the glory of my kingdom, and my counselors and my nobles began seeking me out; so I was reestablished in my sovereignty, and surpassing greatness was added to me.
37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise, exalt and honor the King of heaven, for all His works are true and His ways just, and He is able to humble those who walk in pride.”
I would like to call attention to the fact that Atheism addresses a single issue: The existence of God. Atheism is simply the rejection of God claims. It does not entail any dogmas, it carries no tenets, it holds no laws or commandments. It is simply this exchange: Theist: There's a God!
Atheist: I don't believe you
You can imagine then, why I'm so mind-boggled by the assumptions and quite frankly, ridiculous beliefs that have been so liberally applied to Atheists.
You can believe whatever you want.. if you want to debate the matter of if there is a God, then that would be a debate of openness to argue the point. If you have no interest then there is no need to debate.
I am not asserting one way or the other whether or not a God exists, nor am I suggesting we argue the point. I am clarifying that Atheism is not the claim that God doesn't exist; that would be Antitheism, Atheism is the rejection of God claims, it is not itself an assertion of the non-existence of a God or Gods.
If you're not familiar, a claim or argument has two prongs; we'll call them the "fact of the matter": Either 'A' is true, or 'A' is not true. This is a true dichotomy, and as such, the Logical Absolutes mandate that only one of them can be true. This is called the Law of Excluded Middle.
To stay on theme, you can replace "God Exists" with 'A,' but irrespective of the "fact of the matter," there remains what you believe about the claim, which obviously can be different than the facts. Theism is saying God does exist; this is a positive claim to knowledge. Antitheism says God does not exist; this is a positive claim to knowledge. Atheism says I don't believe you, prove it.
As you can see, Atheism doesn't say anything else about anything else. So the question of "How many Dimensions do Atheists perceive?" and all the ridiculous attributes we Atheists have been saddled with is quite non-sensical from a logical perspective.
I think the term you are describing is agnosticism not atheism.
The suffix a - is used as anti. So the word itself means anti - theism. So the general belief is no God exists.
Agnostics admit they don't know, atheist insist they do know.
And any that aren't sure have misapplied the term.
Or they purposely mis-appropriate the term for other purposes.
I don't believe atheists actually exist. I think they are hardened hearts that become harder. But under the hardness is an ache that knows there is a God.
For starters, I find it highly inappropriate that you, or anyone, should tell anyone what they believe. Factually, it is you who have misappropriated the term to mean something it does not. Atheists certainly do not insist to know, this is what I've been trying to explain to you.
Atheism is the default position: Atheists do not claim to know the fact about the existence or nonexistence, of a God or Gods. Atheism is only a rejection of the claim. It is not a counter-claim.
To use a clear example, lets say we have a Jar full of gumballs. The fact is, there is either an odd number of gumballs, or an even number. We'll say for this example, that 'Theists' claim there is an even number of gumballs (Even=Existence of God). The Atheist rejects that claim, and asks you to provide evidence for your claim that there is an even amount of gumballs in the jar. The Anti-theist claims that there is an odd amount of gumballs in the jar; as someone who requires evidence before believing a claim, I reject the Anti-Theists position as well.
To clarify your confusion on terms, Gnosticism and Agnosticism pertain to knowledge, Theism and Atheism pertain to belief. It is possible to be an Agnostic Theist, who believes that there is a God, but does not claim to know it, just as it is possible to be a Gnostic Theist, who believes there is a God, and claims to know there is a God. You can also be an Agnostic Atheist, who does not believe there is a God, but accepts that there is no way to prove it. Or, a Gnostic Atheist, who does not believe in God and thinks that it can be proved.
A better terminology might be Positive (or "De Facto" meaning "by the facts") Atheism and Negative Atheism. Positive Atheists believe that the statement "There is at least one God" is false, and believe that there are facts or proof that this is a false statement. Negative Atheists do not believe in a God, but they do not claim that the statement can be proven false.
If your intent is to participate in an honest debate, where both parties admit when they've been sufficiently rebutted, then I'm game. I believe that rational discourse is the only way progress can be made, irrespective of subject matter. But so far, you've committed countless formal Fallacies and dishonest debate tactics, including but not limited to, "Moving the Goalpost," Equivocation Fallacy, and Argument from Personal Incredulity Fallacies.
I'm on a debate site so that I can exchange ideas with persons who have different views in a rational manner. You've blown off Logic, apparently Scholars of all stripes (including Theologians, I wonder?), Epistemology (which is literally the study of Knowledge. We're talking the discoveries of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates...the foundations of thought, and discovery). This may be new to you, but there is more than opinion; it is possible to be factually wrong, and it is the mark of the intellectually honest individual to admit when that point comes.
You however, seem unable to accept facts, even when provided alongside supporting evidence. I see this a lot, and I've come to refer to it as the "Nu-uh!" Fallacy: I offer a scientific or logical fact -> You reject my claim -> I affirm my claim with evidence and Logical deduction -> You again reject the claim.
This is the definition of intellectual dishonesty. My only goal as far as this debate is concerned, is to get across that regardless of my opinion of God, I and everyone else, can only see and interact with this "Dimension," whatever that even means. Nobody on the planet can demonstrate otherwise. The way the Debate Title Question is phrased implies that if one were to convert from Atheism to Theism, one would perceive more "Dimensions" than s/he did before. I submit that this is an unfounded, and quite frankly, a ridiculous insinuation without a single shred of evidence to bolster it.
In conclusion, again, you have done nothing to dispute my claim, and have offered no evidence in rebuttal. You have, as before, thrown a Red Herring (which is another formal logical fallacy) to muddy the waters of conversation, hence the necessity for this ridiculously long rebuttal. Either prove me wrong, with evidence, or concede the point. Childish games and baseless retorts do nothing but take up space and time from serious debaters.
God is Light, Oneness, microcosm, the dimension of glorification, not bound by the 6 dimensions of our world, 6 is the fallen dimension, 7 is the dimension that transcends the fall.
2 images, DNA dimensions of image, coding our DNA. Individually in ourselves made One with the spark of it all, the eye of the needle through the cross and Resurection to transcend our finate universe and take a space trip into eternity with God in His Kingdom, beyond the finate start of this world, glorified bodies not under the dimensions of the form and dust this world has taken, and forced to live under, the serpents belly, but through the cross breaking our outer shells we enter the oneness of God, and with bodies like the Risen Lord Jesus, as we are changed in a " twinkling of an eye"
FYI - This is Christianity! The Water Truth and the Life, pick up your cross and follow through death to this world and by living today according to the world beyond the cross and the grave!
Jesus says fall on the rock and be broken and set free, or the rock will fall on you, and crush you like the dust you are, is the dust you will remain!
None of your rebuttal has anything to do with what I outlined as issues. Either you're not reading the challenges put to you, and are just rambling nonsensical elation, or you're not comprehending the challenges. Either way, I feel this is an inappropriate venue to voice your opinions since this site is designed for those who appreciate serious discourse. Provide evidence, or concede.
Would you read it if I did? You want a quick answer. But you won't understand a quick answer. But I'll sum it up.
God is Light, Oneness, microcosm, the dimension of glorification, not bound by the 6 dimensions of our world, 6 is the fallen dimension, 7 is the dimension that transcends the fall.
2 images, DNA dimensions of image, coding our DNA. Individually in ourselves made One with the spark of it all, the eye of the needle through the cross and Resurection to transcend our finate universe and take a space trip into eternity with God in His Kingdom, beyond the finate start of this world, glorified bodies not under the dimensions of the form and dust this world has taken, and forced to live under, the serpents belly, but through the cross breaking our outer shells we enter the oneness of God, and with bodies like the Risen Lord Jesus, as we are changed in a " twinkling of an eye"
FYI - This is Christianity! The Water Truth and the Life, pick up your cross and follow through death to this world and by living today according to the world beyond the cross and the grave!
Jesus says fall on the rock and be broken and set free, or the rock will fall on you, and crush you like the dust you are, is the dust you will remain!
If you're not familiar, a claim or argument has two prongs; we'll call them the "fact of the matter": Either 'A' is true, or 'A' is not true. This is a true dichotomy, and as such, the Logical Absolutes mandate that only one of them can be true. This is called the Law of Excluded Middle.
I don't have to know the term to operate in human nature of reasoning by way of common sense. The only people who need a term are those trying to define what occurs naturally in the reasoning mind. I also find those who use these terms redefine common sense, and single handedly remove common sense, by over complicating simple, and making everyone miss the very basics of mind critical for higher thought. Thereby removing foundation of reason from thought, creating a visible freak of nature called millennials, the ones militant without reasoning skills that seem to be the spirit of the age. Which is the precursor to man's final days on earth!
I'm sorry Miss, but the Logical Absolutes are considered by every scholarly Philosopher and Epistemologist (Study of Knowledge) to be truths that we can be as certain of as we can be certain of anything. If you're suggesting I discard them as technobabble because they don't support your view, that's not going to happen.
I'm not complicating anything, I explained how your argument violates one of the three fundamental laws of logical, Rational thought. I cannot be irrational by literally explaining the fundamentals for Rational thinking, that would be an inescapable fallacy. In summation, you haven't said anything to disprove my argument, you simply tossed out a Red Herring.
The ancient Hebrew sages believed, of course, that God created the heavens and the earth. However, some of them believed that the Word of God was the very template with which He did it.
This strikes some of us as simply a colorful exaggeration that goes beyond any direct evidence.
There are hints here and there. There are two well-known references to the creation in the Scripture:
Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. Let’s look “underneath” the text of each of these.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
In Hebrew:
Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew
If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (see chart), and apply them to this formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
÷
The number of words x the product of the words
You get 3.1416 x 1017. The value of π to four decimal places!
.....Hmm.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In Greek:
John 1: 1 in Greek
This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (see chart), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
÷
The number of words x the product of the words
You now get 2.7183 x 1040, the value of e. Curious!
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Significance?
Each of these is another of those puzzling ostensible “coincidences” that are too astonishing to dismiss, and yet present challenges in suggesting any real significance.
3 And taken together, they do evoke some conjectures.
There are, however, at least two problems: why just four decimal places (they both deviate from the fifth place onwards) and what do you do with all the “extra zeroes”?
To stay on theme, you can replace "God Exists" with 'A,' but irrespective of the "fact of the matter," there remains what you believe about the claim, which obviously can be different than the facts. Theism is saying God does exist; this is a positive claim to knowledge. Antitheism says God does not exist; this is a positive claim to knowledge. Atheism says I don't believe you, prove it.
It is not a positive claim to knowledge, it's a denial of reasoning skills, Logic, and sensibility!
As you can see, Atheism doesn't say anything else about anything else. So the question of "How many Dimensions do Atheists perceive?" and all the ridiculous attributes we Atheists have been saddled with is quite non-sensical from a logical perspective.
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atheism denies the many consciousness of the mind. It is linear and missing the elements that make up the entirety of our beings. And its pure nonsense!
The only dimensions I'm interested in are 36''- 26''- 38''.
The perception of such feminine beauty is light years ahead of the sanctimonious drivel spewed out by unfortunate religious zealots such as you who don't realize that there is no afterlife and therefore failing to recognise the importance of enjoying yourself here on good old mother earth.
If we lived in a digital simulation, are miracles possible by the author of its code?
Explain the principle of random. Does random actualy occur anywhere in nature, or in universe?
What is fictional in the Bible? Have you investigated it? Or is that an assumption?
Regarding miracles, if more is authenticated then not, and if some stories are found true, that are unlikely. Then are the miracles also possible?
My example is Joseph, the coat of many color.
It is not highly likely that a boy from the Hebrew tribe, would be sold by his brothers into slavery, then become the most exalted dignitary in Egypt.
Now, God did prophesy it to Joseph's great grandfather Abraham, along with the following 400 years of slavery.
So how does a boy beaten and sold end up a like a king in Egypt.
So was this coincidence? Without supernatural sequence of events? Two men rose up in foreign nations by interpreting dreams and visions.
Both of these men went through a series of conspiracies, persecution, unjustifiable imprisonment, to being elevated to the highest court. Joseph and then also Daniel.
But looking at Joseph, archeological finds have uncovered a timeline confirming sequential consecutive events as told in the Bible.
So historically, whether the skeptics want to admit it or not, well the finds are just visibly obvious regardless.
It falls under not understanding math again, probability of finding each lined up in order like dominoes isn't statistically possible. But I guess math is subjective and individually deterministic just like truth, 😬
So they found signs of Joseph, and the famine, and Joseph's unusual exaltation in Egypt, and the migration of his family to Egypt then etc etc etc... see Pattern of Evidence - documentary
So if these things are real, are really they just coincidences?
And if they are just coincidences, then what is the probability of it occuring? And what is the probability of several coincidences of this magnitude of unusual occurring?
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God invented math! Maybe that's why no one understands math anymore!
There are hints here and there. There are two well-known references to the creation in the Scripture:
Genesis 1: 1 and John 1: 1.
Let’s look “underneath” the text of each of these.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
In Hebrew:
Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew
If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (see chart), and apply them to this formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
The number of words x the product of the words
You get 3.1416 x 1017. The value of π to four decimal places! Hmm.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In Greek:
John 1:1 in Greek
This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (see chart), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
The number of words x the product of the words
You now get 2.7183 x 1040, the value of e.
Curious!
Why does Israel and God's Word and Jesus divide huge significant effects to everyone in the entire world, a mid point in half, like God is the center of the entire world, even the universe?
The below shows something crazy, that in no way was in the hands of an old Jewish guy to control.
We all know Jesus is so part of the destiny of the world that even TIME is divided by the knowledge of Him - A.D. and B.C.
But this is found in the ancient texts hidden.
The world and languages go from reading left to right or right to left. Most written languages were in process of developing. Like time, written language is directed like a directors chair perched in Jerusalem.
All languages EAST of Jerusalem write Right to Left.
All languages WEST of Jerusalem write Left to Right.
We have this also - torh spelled reading in two directions in Hebrew. Backward and forward with YHWY in the middle.
Are There Hidden Codes in the Biblical Text?
The secrets of the Torah are revealed... in the
skipping of the letters.
Rabbi Moses Cordevaro, 16th century
Torah Codes
49 (72) letter sequences:
• Genesis TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Exodus TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Leviticus ? YHWH in a 7 pattern, square root of 49
• Numbers HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Deuteronomy HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
Do you know where the content in many textbooks come from?
What are you ruled by?
That's the mark of the beast. A sealed shut mind that can’t understand or percieve anything outside of what's in front of them in a text book by an all powerful educator to mimic!
And you are any different?
Everyone is being pulled down, falling out of higher dimensions.
I think we are finding God is proven and confirmed.
As we take the Bible both literally and spiritually, interpreting as taught by the Word itself, and also with the Holy Spirit within us, as truth unfolds and is further revealed, science will find themselves dumb at God's revelation of science in His Word.
And we all will look upon them and wonder, " How did they fit both feet in their mouth while their heads were up their asses? That will look beastly for sure!
Any discrepancies are on the readers part, not on the authors part.
1 The field of biology has now discovered it is restricted by the boundary conditions of the information sciences. Its historical love affair with Darwinism is now being shattered by advances in microbiology, highlighted by the disturbing revelations of Michael Denton, Philip Johnson, and Michael Behe, et al., revealing biology's apparent immunity to truth and reason.
2 But now the field of physics, too, is in turmoil. Quantum physics has resulted in the abandonment of causality, the cornerstone of empirical science. And whether we address the units of length, mass, or time, we discover that they are composed of indivisible units that ultimately cannot be divided without losing their "locality."
3 The more one knows about particle physics and quantum mechanics, the more provocative these "science fiction" episodes become. Indeed, it was Dr. Albert Einstein that admitted,
People who believe in physics, know that the distinction between the past, present, and the future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
And as physics goes, so too the entire field of cosmology. I believe it was Paul Davies who observed, It is as if our entire universe is nothing more than a thought in the Mind of God.
The current genre of virtual reality films, while still retaining many of the moral deficiencies that have come to characterize the products of our entertainment industry, can still be provocative and useful in conceptualizing our present situation: we find ourselves in what can be accurately described as a digital simulation.
And transitions in and out of our space-time - from one "hyperspace" to another - is a potential rationalization of the more disturbing UFO reports and other apparent visits from dimensionalities other than our own.
It is also a way of conceptualizing the strangest transition of all: the harpazo, the "Great Snatch," which Paul alludes to in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-53.
(A "twinkling of an eye" is not to be confused with a blink; at the speed of light passing through the retina, it is about 10-43 seconds - the very digital boundary of time itself.)