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 How can one stand beside a religion that does this ...? (17)

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6 points

Simple:

The Pakistani government did this; not their religion.

Many countries in the Middle East are backwards. It's not unlikely that they'd be just as bad if there was no religion. Why? Because the Middle East sucks. Africa sucks, and not for religious reasons. Same with the Soviet Union, Cuba, China, Vietnam, Korea, and all the other countries that had shitty governments NOT based on religion.

Side: Bad government
aveskde(1936) Disputed
1 point

The Pakistani government did this; not their religion.

The Pakistani state is a theocracy. It enforces Islamic law, and therefore the punishments which are enforced by the state, such as capital punishment for blasphemy, are religious in nature and indicative of the (lack of) human rights in the state religion.

Many countries in the Middle East are backwards. It's not unlikely that they'd be just as bad if there was no religion. Why? Because the Middle East sucks. Africa sucks, and not for religious reasons. Same with the Soviet Union, Cuba, China, Vietnam, Korea, and all the other countries that had shitty governments NOT based on religion.

For a non-theocratic sample, look into South America. In those countries, where many are poor and still suffering abuses from poor government, blasphemy is not a crime punished by death.

These countries are also largely Catholic, one of the more conservative branches of Christianity.

Side: They Have Little Choice
ThePyg(6759) Disputed
2 points

As well, I might as well point out that you're trying to say that "they're tyrants because they're a theocracy" while I'm trying to say that "they're a theocracy because they're tyrants".

IRL, it's not EXACTLY like that, but it shows the scale that we think on. You blame the ideology, I blame the people.

Side: Bad government
5 points

Quite simple. No religion is complete without an escape-goat deity that you can use to justify your actions.

Side: Blind Faith
2 points

I didn't know religion did that. Sounds more like people did that....

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Side: Blind Faith
1 point

Kind of like what I was trying to point out. The practices of the government are at fault... not a belief that has no Central Nervous System.

Side: Bad government
2 points

Exactly. The government is at fault here. There's been actions that have been committed by non-religious reasons that are worse than this. I don't hear religion people blaming atheism for that.

Side: Bad government
1 point

There are a lot of ways.

1. They agree with the sentence.

2. They believe it is for some "greater good."

3. They don't believe its actually part of their religion.

4. They stand by it out of fear.

That said, this is exactly why all relgion is dangerous. There are only two ways humans are capable of this degree of injustice and insanity.

They have psychological problems,

Or they justify it through some god.

Without god, she would live.

And no relgion is above similar behavior.

Side: Bad government
ThePyg(6759) Disputed
1 point

Stalin justified his execution of Christians by claiming pretty much what you're saying.

In conclusion, bad governments are bad. Religion is just a tool (like Marxism).

Side: Bad government
aveskde(1936) Disputed
1 point

In conclusion, bad governments are bad. Religion is just a tool (like Marxism).

Not all bad governments are the same. Only theocracies concern themselves with blasphemy and offenses to the state religion. Islamic theocracies are notorious for this.

Side: Bad government
iamdavidh(4869) Disputed
1 point

I find it odd that you are disputing me, let's follow the logic.

Tag = bad government

bad government = stoning a woman for blasphemy

stoning a woman for blasphemy = religion

therefore: religion = bad government

Seems we are in agreement.

As for your Stalin example. I believe there is evidence he suffered from forms of mental illness, as did Hitler, which falls into my caveat that besides religion various psychosis is the only thing that can drive humans to this degree of injustice.

The lesson is both a dictatorial States and a religious States are bad.

Side: Bad government
1 point

What should be remembered is that these travesties are not representative of the beliefs of everyone who adheres to Islam. There are many, many strands of Islam, just as there are of Christianity.

I don't stand beside any religion, as I believe all religions are mistaken. But I can tolerate any religious practices that don't interfere with the freedom of others. This includes certain types of Christianity, certain types of Buddhism, certain types of Islam... etc.

As for practices that do offend people's rights, whether of people within or outside their religion - I don't care what religion these practices are derived from, they are plain wrong.

Side: Bad government