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How do we resolve the abortion debate?

Given that people aren't likely to agree about abortion anytime soon, what can actually be done about this issue? Is there some solution that's fair in some sense and will cause minimal grumbling?

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If I were to make a Modest Proposal, I'd say kill all the people who claim to be pro-life but but actually are just pro-fetus. Or lock away all the people who are anti-choice since that's unfair.

Yet since that's just ridiculous I think the argument will never be resolved.

Anti-choice people see the fetus as a life, and want to force the constitution's words to protect anything with the potential of human life, while pro-choice people see the woman who's already alive as being the only one who should make any choices on the matter.

Ultimately though, we can not stop arguing because so long as women have that option, anti-choice people won't be pleased for some reason, and if women ever lose that option pro-choice people won't be pleased.

I feel it's much like the Equal marriage argument. There's no technically correct answer, it's all morals and opinions and there is going to be disagreement so long we are individuals.

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warrior(1854) Disputed
4 points

Wrong term anti-choice means the opposition to the ability to make choices on all matters it also implys that the focus of the opposition to abortion is on the choice. When actually the focuse is on preserving life. So we are pro-life.

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Cuaroc(8829) Disputed
2 points

Wrong term anti-choice means the opposition to the ability to make choices on all matters

Then following that logic their is no such thing as Pro-abortion which would mean use of abortion in all pregnancies

When actually the focuse is on preserving life.

Problem with Pro-life term is that many of them would then be hypocrites.

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Quocalimar(6470) Disputed
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Wrong term anti-choice means the opposition to the ability to make choices on all matters it also implys that the focus of the opposition to abortion is on the choice.

Google it. It's the same for pro-abortion. I'll call those people what I feel they really are, just as they'll call me what they feel I really am. Yet I know what I am so I don't argue anymore, and they know what they are so there's no point in arguing. (about the titles.)

When actually the focus is on preserving life. So we are pro-life.

Oh? Are you a vegan? No wait, that would require you to eat soy products and plant life. You must eat rocks. Wow, I never met a silicon based life form. Make a perspective debate about that please, I'd love to read about how you do it, and provide a sense of variety in your diet.

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2 points

I disagree. Everything will resolve itself in the end, it has always happened. Even if it takes hundreds of years, issues will eventually get resolved. You make a valid point, but there is nothing to suggest that a conclusion will never be reached, even after thousands of years.

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Quocalimar(6470) Disputed
1 point

Everything will resolve itself in the end, it has always happened.

That's not really us resolving the debate. I also don't agree that it ever will truly end, people will probably always have their own feelings on the matter. Like racist people who still argue (mostly on youtube) about how other races need to go back to their countries of origin.

there is nothing to suggest that a conclusion will never be reached

On this logic, there is also nothing suggesting that one will be reached. It's like the God topic, does he or doesn't he exist, and neither side can prove anything.

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1 point

I'm Chuz Life and I Support this message.

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1 point

Like religion and war it is a debate that will keep running all the time women are getting pregnant, whilst Abortion was illegal women were still getting abortions and the debate raged about whether it should be legal, then it was made legal but the debate continued now though it is about whether it should be made illegal again, regardless of abortions legal status the debate will continue probably with the same arguments.

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It looks like the arguments pro and con for abortion will not go away.

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4 points

Abort all future pro-choice babies.... problem solved.

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Quocalimar(6470) Disputed
1 point

Wouldn't that be against the wishes of the anti-choice people?

Also, how would we even know which ones would grow to be pro-choice?

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2 points

Hey... I'm just here to solve problems. I'll leave the details to someone else. ;)

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lupusFati(790) Clarified
1 point

Actually... it'd be horrifying to do and certainly hypocritical, but in an ironic way, it would work.

But you could just as easily accomplish this by controlling public opinion through the mass media and polit-...

Fuck.

turns off the television, hides in the corner, and repeats to himself "There's no such thing as brainwashing".

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addltd(5144) Clarified
1 point

Wait, so you have never seen the movie Minority Report with the precogs? They predicted future events that someone would "do". You could look into the future and jail the pro-choice (or anti-choice) people.

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Better yet, retroactively abort anyone guilty of supporting abortion, see how they like it. That'll solve the problem, and the details are already set out. ;)

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Centifolia(1319) Disputed
1 point

For the first time, I truly laughed at your joke. Thankyou very much

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It doesn't make sense to me to say it will never end. Eventually, a decision will be made, People aren't going to like the decision but that has always happened throughout history.

( I still do believe that abortion is an important topic, and I do feel strongly about it.)

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I think a time limit of some kind and having a professional to second your decision is the best we can do at the moment. And if you have more than 3, sterilisation. (rape abortions not included)

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Sitara(11080) Disputed
1 point

I do not know what to think about that. I need to think on it. .

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Women can have all of the abortions they want before the fetus turns 20 weeks after conception, but once the fetus turns 20 weeks after conception, no abortions unless it is dying or dead. Increased access to family planning services will help this.

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The Abortion debate is being resolved incrementally by law makers and in court-rooms across the country. Gains are coming at a much slower rate than I would like to see but they are being made just the same.

Tenaciousness pays in the end.

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Sitara(11080) Disputed
1 point

I will fight anyone who tries to take choice away. .

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Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
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I will fight anyone who tries to take choice (legalized abortions) away. .

Most pro-aborts will.

There is only one choice that you defend so vehemently and it's a choice that results in a dismembered and dead child.

I have no wonder why you are the way that you are.

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The left answer to this debate doesn't make sense:

Arguing forever will not solve a debate because.....we will be arguing forever. I do not care what valid points what each side will say because forever is forever...and thus, a solution will never be reached. A resolution to a debate implies no argument exists. And in order to debate, there need to be an argument. This is my logic.

At some perceptions, the second answer to this debate doesn't make sense as well. The abortion debate on some levels is a matter of opinion. Like chocolate. Some people like chocolate, others do not. And chocolate lovers cannot truly convince chocolate haters because their mind and taste do not prefer the taste of chocolate.

There is another perception to this debate. The educated perception and you can try to educate the other person that how a fetus is exactly alive. But then you have to make them agree on the definition of "alive" or what it means to be living.

So i guess educated perception is a branch off the opinion perception because the abortion debate all rolls down to opinion: Do you consider any form of movement to be alive? Do you consider a cell to be alive?

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Chuz-Life(497) Clarified
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You are more philosophical and I am more utilitarian, it seems.

As we already have laws which define a child in the womb as a child and we already have laws which makes the killing of some children in the womb as crime of murder... I consider those debates to have already been won (at least for the time being) by the those of us who claim that an abortion kills a child.

Those laws certainly do not support the denials of the pro-aborts.... right?

So, for me.... the philosophical aspects of the debate are over - unless and until the pro-aborts can challenge those existing laws and definitions.

And,... for our part.... we (pro-lifers and anti-aborts) have to find ways to get the courts to see the same inconsistencies in our laws that we see.

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I didn't down vote you by the way. I am just saying this. Besides, i will state if i am going to down vote.

I always thought my mind is philosophical...kinda annoying some times. ^^'

In some perceptions, your second paragraph makes sense. If those laws are true (i do not know but i am going to believe you), those who are pro-life wins. They win in the sense of the law. But, and i think you know, because a law states that a child in the womb is living....that doesn't necessarily mean they are living. If the law says i am a pig that oinks, am i truly a pig that oinks? Possibly. But then it wouldn't make sense if the law now says that i was NEVER a pig that oinks. That doesn't make sense because the law did say that i was a pig that oinks. lol. What i am saying is, the law isn't hard cold evidence but pro-life (anti-abort) do win in the sense of the law.

What are the denials for pro-abort? Is it that the child in the womb is NOT living? If so, then yes, the laws do not support that. I agree with you on that.

I can understand why you feel the debate is over because the law supports your view. You believe what is right. And if the law supports that then it is a waste of time to debate.

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I agree that the answers don't make sense, nor does the question. The questions implying that the debates haven't been trying to end it, and like this debate would suddenly end it. Yet I read the question as "Will the abortion debate ever end?" and with that same reasoning I take this side as the negative. Because it will never truly end so long as one side feels they are being wronged.

Women who can't keep a child will always try to do something to get rid of it, that may include going to shady illegal places to terminate the pregnancy, or a more drastic and less likely method of doing dangerous substances, in the hope for a miscarriage. Which isn't really solving the issue it's just making women find alternatives while they still push the issue hoping to end the alternative practices.

Whereas if abortion stays legal, the anti-choice will still have their reasons to picket, and protest, like they have been.

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How do we resolve the abortion debate?

Induce a country-wide societal apocalypse which ultimately shuts down all abortion clinics, local government, and abortion drug manufacturing plants, and wait several years for the remnant general population to use up all the abortion pills left in stock.

Once the pills are gone, or stockpiled, then we'll see if abortion really is a "right" or not.

Society has already devolved almost to the point where nothing but a shock like this is really enough to stir people up. Excepting such a major blow to "everyday life" and the "mindless mass perspective" the debate will continue to rage endlessly.

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Very interesting what you said. It is like realizing your true nature to things when they they are gone from your options. Like someone hating their sister....how would he or she react when their sister is truly out of their lives?

So yeah i do want to see what people would say when the option to abort is gone.

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Sitara(11080) Disputed
-1 points

How very fascist of you. .

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unownmew(160) Disputed
1 point

How is it fascist to want to abolish government? How is it Fascist to want us to return to a local lifestyle?

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1 point

Lets put a gun to the head of the country and make him sign the bill. Surely, if millions of people storm the white house or house of commons armed to the teeth they are going to go... "Uhh, lets just do what the people say." (satirical)

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People who make debates about abortion are Republican and don't believe in killing unborn baby's. in my opinion the woman can choose if she wants to have a abortion or not.

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Hi here by decree the decision I act. By up voting this, you are approving of the compromise.

ACT I Abortion act

The abortion act here by makes it legal to get an abotion, if fetis is under 4 months of age. The abortion act makes it illegal to get an abortion IF

I : There nearly 0% risk of death or sevear phisical/mental problems that may be damaged in birth.

If unknown risk apears after 4 months, or any risk above a 1.5% chance will allow an abortion up to 7.5 months pregnent. If past, medical help will be provided NO CHARGE!!!!

Sounds good?

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link6065(740) Disputed
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Your post was pointless to read. It contributes nothing tangible. You are not an elected official thus this "Abortion act" is nothing more then a sweet nothing. If you can even call it that. Perhaps, making a petition inciting all the crap you spewed forth from your frothing mouth and seeing if people will sign it and send it to the government would be a worth while decision. And that goes for just about anyone else who reads your sweet nothing.

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unownmew(160) Disputed
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Not even a well-thought out compromise... The best compromise we have is the one we have already in place set in law. The thing is, neither side is willing to compromise their principles, and are intent on changing the compromise according to their desires. And so the debate rages on, and will continue to do so without any concrete solution until something majorly drastic causes a severe paradigm shift in the entire populous, something as severe as a societal apocalypse, or the complete degradation of morality over the course of a few generations.

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