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How far left do you think is too far left?

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I like Jordan Peterson's idea: when the left pushes for equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity and equality under the law. Personally, I'd also say that the left has gone too far when it starts viewing everyone in terms of their identity groups, rather than as individuals.

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Noumenon(32) Disputed
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I like Jordan Peterson's idea:

I read that far and decided you are a retard who should be burned at the stake and raped by wild chimpanzees.

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But the left doesn't push for equality of outcome. They push for equality of opportunity, and the left and right disagree on what all that entails. The left largely believes that requires analysis of opportunity and outcome of demographic groups, and many on the right don't. But it is still equality of opportunity in question.

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WinstonC(1222) Disputed
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But the left doesn't push for equality of outcome.

I see the push for equal numbers of female and minority MPs, CEOs, Board members, equal wages etc. as coming from the far left, would you disagree? Note we're talking far left, a lot of the criticism for this is coming from the moderate, non identitarian left.

The left largely believes that requires analysis of opportunity and outcome of demographic groups

Claiming that a lack of equality of outcome is evidence for a lack of equality of opportunity demonstrates complete ignorance of group differences. Just one example of this is the number of women in high ranking positions relative to men (which links to the "pay gap", as higher ranking positions are paid more). Now, one could look at this disparity in outcome and claim a lack of opportunity, however there are underlying sex differences causing this. A feminist study (1) suggests that only 40% of women want senior leadership positions, opposed to 56% of men. Further, studies suggest that women value power less than men do and have lower level ideal positions (2).

If you're going to use equality of outcome to measure equality of opportunity then you had better control for all the group differences. It's the same as the need to control for extraneous variables in scientific research. Otherwise, you're just creating a narrative about something you don't really understand.

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(1) https://womenintheworkplace.com/

(2) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ 2015-09-25/women-don-t-want-promotions-as-much-as-men-do

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I am a centrist, so people like Bernie Sanders scare me, on religious liberty.

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GenericName(3429) Clarified
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What makes you think he is a threat to religious liberty?

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YeshuaBought(842) Clarified
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All liberals are a threat to religious liberty. The hate Messianic and Christian believers who belong to Yeshua Jesus.

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A smidgen ;)

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A smidgen ;)

I see your smidgen and raise you one iota.

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You ought to what? ;)

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How far right do you think is too far right?

I think that once you are so far left that you circle around back to the right, you have gone too far left.

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How far right do you think is too far right?

The left says any amount right is too far right. In your case you even call liberals who don't agree with you "far right", so tell us, how far left is too far left?

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Noumenon(32) Disputed
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You think that anyone who is left of center is a communist

there is no "too far" left

and yes, any amount of right wing is too much right wing.

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I think that once you are so far left that you circle around back to the right, you have gone too far left

Kind of like going so far left that you ally with a foreign far right religious death cult?

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Hootie(927) Disputed Banned
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Kind of like going so far left that you ally with a foreign far right religious death cult?

Shut your face you hypocrite. You label Islam a "religious death cult" while you simultaneously walk around with a permanent erection for Christianity, a religion which has killed TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. Your double standards are so far beyond understandable you might as well be living on a different planet.

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