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 How much do think the Government is hiding from us? (11)

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How much do think the Government is hiding from us?

The government has good reasons to keep things private  like military intel and what not, but there might be things they are hiding that they don't want the public to know because knowledge isn't always power.
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I think parts of the government that aren't elected are hiding things from those we do elect as well.

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If you are talking about the American government then it is hiding reality from you. I'm not just playing with words. I mean that quite literally. The American government has taken reality, turned it upside down, and sold it back to you as a product.

outlaw60(14486) Disputed
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LMMFAO ! The Dummy NOM says government is a product ! Hay idiot you Leftist are not about Big Government ? ROTFFLMMFAO ! NOM you are just entertainment !!!!!

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We go looking for little secrets like scandals and undeclared wars and criminal activity, but behind that it hides the really big secret: that the government is hiding how much it is hiding from us.

Government hides this secret behind politics and bribes, behind bread and circuses.

All governments always hide everything behind bread and circuses.

One of the things the government tries to hide that nobody is actually in charge. What runs a nation is a bloated and continuous system of redundant and overlapping bureaucracies and uncoordinated agencies. Most of the drama of politics is just for show, a circus for our titillation and entertainment so that we remain distracted.

Another thing they try to hide, and generally fail to hide completely, is how utterly ineffective and incompetent government is. They fail because no one could possibly miss the unreasonable and astronomical expense of government, and how little value we get for our tax dollars.

In hiding this, government hides how little we actually need it to do most of the things it does. By insisting that we need the services, the welfare, the Social Security, the Medicare and Medicaid, etc., by insisting that somehow the citizenry are incapable of caring for our basic needs, the government hides our potential for independence. The government thus hides our freedom behind bread.

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One of the things the government tries to hide that nobody is actually in charge.

Hello marcus:

BINGO!

Term limits would fix that.. The ONLY thing a congressman or president DOES, and I mean the ONLY thing, is run for office.. He doesn't fix things.. He doesn't represent us. He doesn't give a shit about us.

We know this to be true because every single congressman of the right wing persuasion, who is hopping to be re-elected, is AFRAID to do their JOB of OVERSIGHT of the president, because he KNOWS the president will CRUSH any hopes he has for re-election.

That's exactly WHY we need to take re-election OUT of the equation.

excon

Bronto(2008) Disputed
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Term limits would fix that.

Perhaps. Think how more normal America would seem right now if Schumer, Feinstein, Pelosi, and Maxine Waters weren't in office anymore.

marcusmoon(580) Clarified
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Hi, Excon.

Term limits would fix that.. The ONLY thing a congressman or president DOES, and I mean the ONLY thing, is run for office.

I think you missed part of my point, which is that you can change who is president or who is in Congress all you want. Term limits won't matter because it won't replace the bureaucratic systems.

What really runs everything is a bloated bureaucracy that is completely unmanagable, and whose employees cannot be fired for incompetence or laziness, or undependability.

Even more problematic is that the quality of the individuals in government (not elected or appointed offices, but the millions of career employees that make up the functional government) is of only marginal relevance.

The big problem is that the morass of regulations and rules and policies and procedures and departmental ways of doing business combine to prevent efficient or effective accomplishment of goals and make it impossible to improve services for the American taxpayer.

NOBODY runs the bureaucracies. NOBODY can control them. They just roll on, decade after decade on pure inertia. And there is no force in the universe as powerful, as unstoppable as bureaucratic inertia.

That is why the funniest thing I ever saw on TV was when Trump announced his candidacy, and said he would make government work efficiently and effectively. It was hilarious because it is impossible.

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Probably everything that we really need to know.

"Beware of those who would deny you access to information. For in their hearts, they dream themselves your master."

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How much do think the Government is hiding from us?

Hello a:

Bronto(2008) Disputed
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Hello a:

Come now Con. Surely you can present a more thoughtful response than this.

(Bronto scampers off into the weeds)

excon(12355) Clarified
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Hello a:

I pushed the wrong button.. Gonna have to stop smoking that shit..

I was GONNA say that I think we know about HALF of what's going on..

excon

outlaw60(14486) Disputed
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Hello a:

I pushed the wrong button.. Gonna have to stop smoking that shit..

I was GONNA say that I think we know about HALF of what's going on..

excon

You are BRAIN DEAD Dummy and you just admitted it !!!!!!!!!!! ROTFFLMMFAO!

outlaw60(14486) Disputed
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STUPOR STUPID your Hillary would be transparent with you !!!!!!! LMMFAO !!!!!!!!