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How much smarter are we than animals?

Clearly as humans,, we consider ourselves to be vastly superior all animals. We are civlized and they are savage.

However, recently I came accross this video and it made me wonder about our intlectual superiority.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/susan_savage_rumbaugh_on_apes_that_write.html

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Cool video. These animals are obviously among the most intelligent on Earth, but I think this lady has her head in the clouds if she thinks culture is the only thing that separates us from these bonobos.

My guess is evolutionary pressures forced a greater intelligence to develop in our ancestors. Maybe they were more violent and needed better weapons to defend themselves from each other. Maybe they had a less hospitable environment and needed to be smart to survive.

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The reason our intelligence has accelerated as fast as it has is because we tamed fire. There is evidence of fire being used in caves in China where the "homo erectus" dwelt at least a half a million years ago. Fire made it possible to survive cold winters and long nights, to achieve security against fire-avoiding predators, and to roast food, therefore broadening our diet and limiting the danger of bacteria.

As a result of this... human beings multiplied in number... which meant more brains to plan future advances. With fire, life wasnt so hand-to-mouth, so there was more time to put those brains to work on things other than immediate emergencies. In short... the use of fire put into motion a serious of technological and intellectual advances.

So basically... fire kicks ass.

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We are way smarter than animals even though many have said animals are smarter.

We humans live in a world of comfort and peace and we're placed in an environment like those of the gorrillas or apes things are different.

The animals are thought to be smart and intelligent by the ways they look for their food and other smart tricks.

But we humans have evolved which means we are way smarter than them :]

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OK, Humans are highly aggressive. Bonobos substitute sex for aggression. This means that they are horn dogs.

http://songweaver.com/info/bonobos.html

They'll screw anything. Does this make them smarter? I don't know, but I'd like to try it and find out ;)

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The truth is: some animals exhibit behaviors that seem similar to human behaviors. This in no way means that they are close, in intelligence, socially, or otherwise, to humans. Animals do not build, do not invent, do not create, do not debate, do not inspire, do not become inspired, cannot rationalize, and are incapable of understanding even the simplest human emotions or thoughts. Humans and other animals are different. Something happened where humans excelled in thought and intelligence, where other animals excelled in power, speed, and became suited for their niche. Sometimes they do things that remind us of ourselves, and we find this "cute." They are not like us.

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springer(4) Disputed
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You said...

"Animals do not build, do not invent, do not create, do not debate, do not inspire, do not become inspired, cannot rationalize, and are incapable of understanding even the simplest human emotions or thoughts"

With respect this is utter rubbish. Although it is possible you may be correct about not inspiring or becoming inspired ALL the other things in your list have been witnessed and documented in some animals (converselly there are many humans who are incapable of most, or even any, of these things - in fact we all are incapable of them for the first weeks/months of our lives even though we are members of the human species during that whole time, and some are never able to throughout their whole mentally retarded lives..sadly.)

First off, as we are also animals, like it or not, your traditional "them and us" attitude is outdated and inaccurate. Your facts are also incorrect...

Emotion - dogs pining themselves to death following the death of their masters - documented.

Build - ever seen a birds nest ? What is that if not something that was built ?

Invent - When a chimp takes small a branch from a tree and fashions it into a tool for hunting, eating, scratching etc. What else is he doing if not inventing tools for his particular needs, with forethought and planning. Visualising what he requires before creating it in accordance with that mental picture.

Create - both the above are also examples of this.

Debate - Definition: communicating opinions on a given topic with reasoned argument. Non-human example includes African Wild Hunting Dogs collectively reasoning on the best way of chasing a quarry, through vocal and visual communication (often followed by disagreement) and then resolution - all documented by scientists

Rationalisation - rational thought is required for debating and invention (above)

Simplest human emotions - fear, loss, joy etc. Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that no non-human is capable of such things (too many examples to know where to begin here....dog pining, as above, elephants standing around the bodies of their dead famnily members for hours, even days lameting their loss, Otters observed enjoying play for the pure pleasure of it etc, etc) - all scientifically witnessed and documented.

You are generalising about humans and non-humans in much the same way as saying that for example "man are physically stronger than women". Yes, ON AVERAGE perhaps but their are probalby millions of cases globally of some whomen who are stronger than some men. The same argument applies with human and non-human animals. THere is no "them and us" you are far too simplistic.

A human-only trait which you SHOULD add to your list is steroetyping, which is what your post has done (and many others here). It is a dangerous, ignorant trait, and ironically often one of the few uniquely human ones left.

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Eminence Disputed
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The presence of spindle cells in the brains of humans, other apes, elephants and some cetaceans are proof that they feel emotions to a much higher degree than the animals that lack them..they are true generators for emotional intelligence and humans have the highest number of them

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I'd like to see an animal shoot me dead while i'm trying to get a drink of water out of a lake.

not that all humans are smarter than all animals. but if an animal outsmarts someone, we should just kill that person.

before we end up like Idiocracy...

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down voted by an obvious moron who can't rebuttal worth of shit.

how sad.

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springer(4) Disputed
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I'm curious on two separate points....

1 - you give the impression that intelligence or lack of it should be a deciding factor in whether or not someone lives or dies. Why is that ?

I can see no logical connection between the two things.

2 - You also appear to be generalising about "we humans". Many humans can't shoot a gun, and even if they could how does that make them intelligent. Shooting a gun is not that difficult. INVENTING, DESIGNING and then BUILDING a gun takes intelligence, but then most humans wouldn't know how to do those things any more than a non-human. Could you ?? Could anyone on this forum ??

I agree with you on one of your comments though....

People often say that "we" are more this or that, but which "we" are they talking about? Most of the achievements people quote to prove any kind of superior intelligence (space exploration, ships, cars, guns, technology etc, etc.) were actually only invented by a very small percentage of the human population. THEY may be more intelligent than other animals (including the rest of us), but that doesn't mean every other "human" is more intelligent than every "animal", as if merely being a human is certain proff of being more intelligent than a non-human. thet is rubbish. Yet most people do it all the time. Why ??

What about a particular individual human with very severe brain damage, he or she may have no more intelligence than an earthworm, for example. A harsh reality, but true nevertheless. The same can be said of a two-day old baby; human but probably less intelligent than the average rat.

There are many overlaps, and when it comes to intelligence species groups are irrellevent. There are only "individuals" across all species.

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ThePyg(6738) Disputed
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going hunting is part of critical thinking.

but anyway, in general humans are smarter than animals. sure, there are the severely retarded and newborns, but in all fairness, you'd have to compare them to animals that are newborns or severely retarded.

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Well the human race is very smart, but do you know just how smart a gorilla is? They're are extremely smart creatures. Also, a lot of people don't grasp just how smart how whales and dolphins are, you know? I mean they are so incredibly intelligent compared to most other creatures on the planet, it's really hard to get it. You see what I'm saying? A lot of people simply think that humans are so much smarter than all other sentient creatures on the planet, and those are the people that really annoy me. So totally ignorant, they don't even know what to do with themselves. You see?

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We are how smart we are because of the artificial evolutionary pressures of civilization. It has created a certain form of intelligence that is way beyond that of the animals in degree. So I think there are two more interesting questions:

1. How much of our intelligence is due to civilization? If raised in a society devoid of tools or language, THEN how much smarter would we be than this monkey? We often mistake knowledge for intelligence.

2. Is our intelligence adaptable? The fact that we destroy the environment we depend on strongly implies no. We may be responsible for our own extinction, one way or another. Meanwhile, the "stupid animals" may repopulate the earth.

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Eminence Disputed
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admit it - to build a machine indeed requires intelligence, we do math - intelligence

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Not sure about your comment there...

"we are civilised and they are savage"

I've seen too many humans CHOOSE to kill and torture each other for relatively trivial reasons (money, land, political power etc).

Animals don't do any of those things except for survivial when they have no choice.

How does that make us "more civilised" ?

and which "us" are you referring to ?

Side: Smarter but not by a lot

The only real difference between humans and animals is that they lack the Theory of Mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoryofmind

Here is a video that explains it better (at 5:28 in the video)

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Side: Smarter but not by a lot

Humans are smarter because humans can think and they can rationalize.

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