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ISIS and Allah

Does ISIS have the blessings from Allah and, therefore, wants ISIS to exist?

Possibly

Side Score: 19
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I Don't Think So

Side Score: 21
1 point

According to this verse in Quran 8:12 ,Allah the god of Muslims gives instructions to Muslims and to the group ISIS to behead people

Side: Possibly
1 point

According to this hadith, ISIS behead people like Muhammad

Sahi Bukhari 5:59:448:

“So Allah's Apostle went to them (i.e. Banu Quraiza) (i.e. besieged them). They then surrendered to the Prophet's judgment (unconditionally after 25 days of fierce resistance) but he directed them to Sad (ally) to give his verdict concerning them. Sad said, "I give my judgment that their warriors should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed."

The Prophet said, "You have judged according to the King's (Allah's) judgment." (Bukhari 5:447)

The sentence: Death by decapitation for around 600 men and pubescent boys, and enslavement for the women and children. Ibn Ishaq says that the number may have been as high as 800-900 (p. 464).

The false "Gabriel" was responsible for the massacre and enslavement of a Jewish tribe.

Gabriel urges Muhammad to go and attack the Jews of Bani Quraiza. This action ended with about 800 prisoners of war being massacred, and thousands of Jewish women and children being enslaved by Muhammad.

Bukhari 5.448

... When the Prophet returned from the (battle) of Al-Khandaq (i.e. Trench) and laid down his arms and took a bath Gabriel came to him while he (i.e. Gabriel) was shaking the dust off his head, and said, "You have laid down the arms?" By Allah, I have not laid them down. Go out to them (to attack them)." The Prophet said, "Where?" Gabriel pointed towards Bani Quraiza. So Allah's Apostle went to them (i.e. Banu Quraiza) (i.e. besieged them). They then surrendered to the Prophet's judgment but he directed them to Sad to give his verdict concerning them. Sad said, "I give my judgment that their warriors should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed."

Side: Possibly
webrain(3) Disputed
1 point

First, they were not innocent. After his arrival in Medina, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) signed a Joint Defense Pact of Medina with the Jewish tribes. In which, they agreed to fight together against any army that attacks Medina and not to assist the enemy against one another. Soon after the Jewish power start fading away and the power of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and the Muslims kept increasing. This made the jews jealous of them and they secretly started inviting the enemy to attack the Muslims and promised the assistance. They also made attempts to murder the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Subsequently two these tribes, Banu Nadir and Banu Qaynuqa broke their treaties with the Muslims. They eventually had to surrender, when the Muslims besieged them. The Prophet showed mercy upon them and spared their lives. These two tribes were exiled from Medina.

Only the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza was left behind in Medina. When the pagans of Mecca with their confederates besieged Medina and the battle of the trench, Banu Qurayza broke their treaty with the Muslims and started preparations to attack the Muslims. When the Prophet came to know about it he sent Saad bin Muadh (may Allah be pleased with him) to remind Banu Qurayza of their treaty. Since Saad bin Muadh (may Allah be pleased with him) was the chief of Banu Qurayza's confederate, the Aws tribe. Saad bin Muadh (may Allah be pleased with him) tried to persuade the chief of Banu Qurayza not to break his treaty with the Muslims, but he wouldn't listen. One night a strong wind forced the padgan army to flee. Allah sent the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet, who told him to teach Banu Qurayza a lesson for their treachery during the war. The Muslims besieged be tribe of Banu Qurayza. After the siege of almost a month, Banu Qurayza surrendered only on the condition that Saad bin Muadh (may Allah be pleased with him) would be allowed to judge concerning them instead of the Prophet because they didn't trust the Prophet. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) accepted the condition and allowed Saad bin Muadh (may Allah be pleased with him) to judge concerning Banu Qurayza.

Side: I Don't Think So
1 point

According to this hadith MUHAMMAD SOLVED A BIG PROBLEM: Which Jewish boys to slaughter and which to keep alive for selling into slavery

During this massacre, Muhammad faced a big problem. How to separate the young Jewish boys whom he wanted to sell into slavery from those he wanted to slaughter. And the apostle came up with an ingenious solution. He ordered his Jihadis to pull down the youngsters' pants and those having grown pubic hairs around their genitals were separated for beheading. The rest were kept alive for enslaving and selling in the market.

Abu Dawood 38:4390:

Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:

“I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.”

Side: Possibly
1 point

According to this surah, Isis group is doing exactly what Muhammad the prophet of Islam did

Quran 8:17: “It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah)

Side: Possibly
1 point

ISIS is following Muhammad , by using this surah from

Quran 8:67: “It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.” (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) occupied entire Arabia.

Side: Possibly
1 point

Isis group claims they are true followers of their prophet Muhammad

Muhammad personally beheaded 2 Jewish chieftains of Banu Qurayza.

Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, p. 464:

“Then they surrendered, and the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches.

And came Allah to inspire Muhammad to carry beheadings:

Verse 8:12: “Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Side: Possibly
1 point

According to this hadith, Bukhari 4:52:220: Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220 :

Narrated by Abu Huraira

Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made

victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy),

Here is how Allah inspired and encouraged Muhammad to perpetrate his terrorist activities

Verse 8:60: “Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the

hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know.

Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly”

Define a terrorist : a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims. The use of terror , violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Side: Possibly
1 point

ISIS rhymes with "I piss" but it also rhymes with "I kiss" and kissing is very rarely done in Islam while pissing is very commonly done by all Muslims.

The real question is whether they rock the AK or the Pistol and it's the AK so they are not blessed by Allah, checkmate.

Side: Possibly

ISIS says that they follow the Quoran 100%, which I do not believe is possible for any human being so, they are just muslims who will fight for their cause

Side: I Don't Think So
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

If they strap bombs around themselves and blow themselves to Hell for Allah, they are following the Crayon 100 percent.

Too bad the force a lot of their women and children to do it for them.

Side: Possibly
instig8or(3308) Disputed
1 point

Counter case 1:

They explode themselves to heaven

Counter case 2:

Blowing yourself is physically hard for any guy to do, especially a circumcised one who can't nibble or lick the foreskin.

Counter case 3:

Heaven exists but Hell is a lie made to make us be good even though we all end up there.

Counter case 4:

Hell exists but Heaven is a lie made to bribe us into good behavior for a reward we will never get.

Side: I Don't Think So
1 point

Jesus is the "Son of God" to Christian religions. He is the second most important "Prophet" to Islam. This HAS to mean that God and Allah are one and the same, I mean, how can Jesus be "created" by TWO gods??

ISIS believes their god wants it according to THEIR rules, Christians believe THEIR god made different rules....same "god", different authors and publishers! So confusing...think I'll stay out of it..too much violence in religions!

Side: I Don't Think So
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

I'll address your ignorance a little even though the rude childishness of your manners makes it difficult to show you enough respect to address your assertions which prove your ignorance.

The crime, under Jewish law, Jesus was accused of committing which was worthy of death was blasphemy...He claimed equality with God. He proved it by the miracles He performed before His resurrection, but his fame was a threat to the Jewish religious leaders who did not want to accept Him as the Messiah and be supportive of and obedient to Him....so they accused Him of blasphemy when He said directly that He and God the Father are One. In Jewish culture, the son is equal to the Father so even calling Himself the Son of God was considered blasphemy.

Jesus is God the Son sent by God the Father to take on human form. He was not created, He is the Creator.

This is reality. Your anti-Christian garbage is religion in which you think you are self-justified so you deserve to live and not deserve to die, you think you deserve to live outside of Hell the way you are not simply because you are not burning in it...and even if you do end up in Hell, which I hope is not your end because I know you can be forgiven and saved if you repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ....even if you do end up in Hell, part if not every part of you will STILL be saying you don't deserve it and God won't listen to you crying about what you do or do not deserve.

Side: Possibly
2 points

I'll address your ignorance a little even though the rude childishness of your manners makes it difficult to show you enough respect to address your assertions which prove your ignorance.

Remember, you are the one who said, and I quote, "It seems to me that you are just a snotty nosed big mouth coward.". Calling out "rude childishness" in anyone else is a little...funny.

The crime, under Jewish law, Jesus was accused of committing which was worthy of death was blasphemy...He claimed equality with God. He proved it by the miracles He performed before His resurrection, but his fame was a threat to the Jewish religious leaders who did not want to accept Him as the Messiah and be supportive of and obedient to Him....so they accused Him of blasphemy when He said directly that He and God the Father are One. In Jewish culture, the son is equal to the Father so even calling Himself the Son of God was considered blasphemy.

None of that addresses what he said at all. He was simply pointing out that both Christians and Muslims worship the god of Abraham, and that both claim to be doing so the right way.

This is reality. Your anti-Christian garbage is religion in which you think you are self-justified so you deserve to live and not deserve to die, you think you deserve to live outside of Hell the way you are not simply because you are not burning in it..

You really are willing to say that to anyone, no matter what the previous person said. It makes no sense as a response, but that never stops you.

even if you do end up in Hell, part if not every part of you will STILL be saying you don't deserve it and God won't listen to you crying about what you do or do not deserve.

And how would you know that? Do you claim to know God's will and motivations?

Side: I Don't Think So
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

You deserve to be dominated by Muslims for talking this way.

Side: Possibly
Aspire(62) Disputed
2 points

condoning violence? that's not very Christian ... ye frikin hypocrite.

Side: I Don't Think So
instig8or(3308) Disputed
2 points

You deserve to be blown up for talking this way.

Side: I Don't Think So
Kalamazoo(333) Disputed
1 point

Check out the blessing Pope Pius XII gave to the Italian Air Force as it set out to bomb a virtually defenseless Ethiopia in 1935. The Pope gave further blessing to the invading Italian armies as they committed genocide by murdering over one million Ethiopians, 30,000 in Addis Ababa alone; over 300 monks, nuns and clergy at the famous Debre Libanos monastry. The destruction of 2000 churches 500,000 homes and 14,000,000 animals. All this carnage received the blessing of the Christian Pope. Hey, take the plank out of you own eye before you start criticizing the speck of dust in someone else's.

Side: I Don't Think So
1 point

Does ISIS have the blessing of a non-existent entity? I seriously doubt it.

Side: I Don't Think So
1 point

first of all they claim to apply sharia law while the conditions that is required to be able to make sharia as a law is that you have a ruler or a judge that studied sharia and islamic knowledge some sort of the top judge which is elected by the muslims and has a degree from an islamic university that is known but since none of isis members has a degree that is above alimentary school and they apply laws randomly without any knowledge then i don't think they have the blessing ofAllah because they are harming islam a thousand percent than helping.

Side: I Don't Think So
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Allah is the moon god of ancient paganism in middle eastern tribes. It was the most popular idol of it's day, and it is the god adopted by Muhammed as his excuse for robbing, killing, and raping anybody who opposed him. There were many temples for Allah the moon god. Allah is nothing but a mask of Satan. ISIS is a demon possessed army.

Side: Possibly