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I admit that Stalin was a great man
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He was a psychopathic mass murderer who killed millions of his own people Most of them actually died from famine, but nevermind your inaccurate history. Why are you contradicting yourself buddy? Was he a strong and powerful leader or a mass murderer? Make up your mind ffs. Side: Was
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Not a great argument for Communism is it? The Soviet Union was state capitalist. See:- Side: Was
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The Soviet Union was state capitalist. See:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statecapitalism So still no real world example of Communism working well. Well there's a surprise... Side: Not
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Nixon came in at the end of the war. Exactly you goddamned idiot!! He was the coward who withdrew the troops!! You claimed they were being led by a liberal when they withdrew you damned liar. A liberal would never display such cowardice in the face of battle. See:- n the spring of 1969, as protests against the war escalated in the United States, U.S. troop strength in the war-torn country reached its peak at nearly 550,000 men. Richard Nixon, the new U.S. president, began U.S. troop withdrawal and āVietnamizationā of the war effort that year, but he intensified bombing. Large U.S. troop withdrawals continued in the early 1970s as President Nixon expanded air and ground operations into Cambodia and Laos in attempts to block enemy supply routes along Vietnamās borders. https://www.history.com/ Side: Was
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You don't seem to be getting this buddy. You've been caught RED-HANDED telling lies. Struggling to accept objective truth huh buddy? Liberal Presidents continued the war for decades, pre Nixon. He stopped it, but could have continued the war until he died. Secondly, he was an ass hat and a globalist, so I couldn't care less. Side: Not
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Leftists aren't liberals. WTF? Left-wing politics More recently in the United States, left-wing and right-wing have often been used as synonyms for Democratic and Republican, or as synonyms for liberalism and conservatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wrong again my brother. Your consistency at this is incredible. You are wrong with a perfect 100 percent accuracy rate. Side: Was
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Liberals want Donald Trump indicted, charged, tried and put in jail. You want him to be crowned king of the universe. But you elevate people like Stalin as your king of the Universe and think him a great man ........You really need help with that ālogicā of yours buddy .......then again you think the goat fuckers Hamas are āgreat menā also .......šššššš Side: Not
But you elevate people like Stalin as your king of the Universe and think him a great man But Jody, you are a closet paedophile and fantasise about kidnapping young children in your big black van. What would your Catholic IRA buddies think about you if they knew this? They'd string you up by the balls mate. Roflmao. Side: Was
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Debunked I already debunked your debunkery. He did worse than the claim He colluded with the Israelis???? Oh no wait. That was Trump too. If Trump is a Communist colluder You've made some amusing claims tonight, but Putin being a communist is right up there in probably the top three. So now we have the Nazis, Putin and Nixon on the left. Who else? Count Dracula? Side: Was
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You've made some amusing claims tonight, but Putin being a communist is right up there in probably the top three PUTIN SAYS COMMUNISM COMES FROM THE BIBLE, COMPARES LENIN TO A SAINT Side: Not
PUTIN SAYS COMMUNISM COMES FROM THE BIBLE Honestly, just shut up mate. You're embarrassing yourself. Putin and Russia's Turn to Capitalism https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/12/28/ In 2000, Russia's political analyst Andrei Piontkovsky called Putinism "the highest and culminating stage of bandit capitalism in Russia".[157] Side: Was
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I literally gave you a quote of Putin saying Communism comes from the Bible while praising Marx. Putin is a capitalist:- "Russia's stock market capitalisation showed immense growth last year and increased by more than 50 percent. This is one of the best results in the world, perhaps even the best. Our economy was near the bottom of the list of world economies in terms of size but today it has climbed to ninth place and in some areas has even overtaken some of the other G8 countries' economies." (When asked in June 2007 at the interview with G8 journalists about main achievements of his presidency) https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/VladimirPutin When you say "I literally gave you a quote", what you actually mean is that you deliberately took something Putin said four decades ago out of context and then tried to pretend he said it yesterday. Everything you ever write is a distortion of the truth. You are an absolute and thorough liar, to the point that it is completely comical. Just last week you sourced literal Nazi propaganda written by Joseph Goebbels and tried to convince us to believe it. In fact, you have done that at least five times over the past several weeks. There is absolutely no question whatsoever that you are a thoroughly corrupt, horribly dishonest little fascist. Side: Was
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Socialists Wrong. Nazism is a form of fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism Bolshevik Wrong. In 2000, Russia's political analyst Andrei Piontkovsky called Putinism "the highest and culminating stage of bandit capitalism in Russia".[157] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RussiaunderVladimirPutin Republican globalist. Republican. Stop watching Alex Jones. Side: Was
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Right. Which censors your opponents The fascist regimes were elected democratically after they bombarded the public with propaganda, half-truths and lies. They didn't begin to censor their opposition until their power had been consolidated. uses violence to silence opponents Just like yourself, the Nazis were also very fond of giving people 10 percent of the facts, and just like yourself, their goal was always to slander and damage the left wing. Just like the goo little fascist leftists Fascism is on the far right. It is the exact opposite of left wing ideology. This has been proven to you hundreds of times and your repeated lies about this matter demonstrate exactly what you are. Side: Was
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My country's army used red coats to wipe their ass. Yeah, that was back when you were the good guys. Funny how times change, huh? Care to continue buddy? Definitely. Care to explain why your state army was defeated by a gang of marauding midgets armed with sharp sticks and bad language? Side: Was
You mean the same Vietnamese who teamed up with the US to free Communist Cambodia from the psychopathic Tyranny of Pol Pot? That's quite a bold comment given that the US CARPET BOMBED Cambodia and attributed the tens of thousands of deaths it caused to Pol Pot. Moreover, there doesn't seem to be anything here which says the Vietnamese "teamed up" with the same people who bombed their own country to pieces and poisoned their food supply:- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Might I suggest you shut up and get back to your voodoo? Side: Was
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Weāve covered this. āState Capitalismā is what socialists call communism when it turns out as predicted by capitalists. Replace business owners with the state and what do you get? State capitalism, not communism. Communism literally has no state or monetary system by definition, you simply are under the delusion that any nation which is run by a communist party is communism. You give no consideration to the possibility that someone can call themselves something and not be that thing, or the fact that communism is the goal of a genuine communist party, but no nation has ever actually achieved communism. The USSR started as a socialist republic and degenerated into state capitalism, just because it was run by a communist party does not make the system itself communism. Side: Was
State capitalism, not communism State Capitalism was literally invented by communists. It keeps the gullible coming. Communism literally has no state or monetary system by definition And no possibility of actually existing as purported. Which is why I go off itās existe as actualized. You give no consideration to the possibility that someone can call themselves something and not be that thing Donāt be absurd. I constantly argue that the āanti-fascistā act like fascists. or the fact that communism is the goal of a genuine communist party Given its history, I can no longer extend an assumption of good faith to proponents of communism without simultaneously assuming stupidity or ignorance. Side: Not
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State Capitalism was literally invented by communists. It keeps the gullible coming. State capitalism was created by fascists. And no possibility of actually existing as purported. Which is why I go off itās existe as actualized. It's existence has never been actualized, that is like someone in the 16th century calling feudalism capitalism because capitalism doesn't exist yet. If a system with no state or monetary system is impossible then humanity is doomed so you'd better hope you are wrong. Donāt be absurd. I constantly argue that the āanti-fascistā act like fascists. Yes, this is your retarded double standard. Every country which calls itself socialist is socialist no matter what but anti-fascists can be fascists pretending to be anti-fascists because that is convenient for you. This is based entirely on leveraging every excuse you can possibly muster to conflate the far left with totalitarianism. But of course, every time capitalism goes wrong the right says "it wasn't a free market though". The free market has never existed and is a utopian ideology just like how you see communism, and the right always uses the same no-true-scotsman argument you accuse socialists of using when it becomes convenient for you. You have not a single fiber of truth or integrity in your entire being if you can't see the hypocrisy in that. Given its history, I can no longer extend an assumption of good faith to proponents of communism without simultaneously assuming stupidity or ignorance. Given the fact that capitalists have always been in bed with fascists and the only ones capitalism benefits are rich people and fascists I can no longer resist assuming that you are a fascist jew. Side: Was
State capitalism was created by fascists. Only if one takes the ridiculous approach of assuming all the communist failures where actually fascist. āState Capitalismā was coined by a socialist and is used almost exclusively by socialists. And it is always used to describe their own failures in a way that reflects implicitly on their opposition. It's existence has never been actualized The lie that is promised hasnāt. But the outcome that inevitably follows that promise has been repeatedly actualized. If a system with no state or monetary system is impossible then humanity is doomed so you'd better hope you are wrong. After observing, and often proving how woefully incorrect you are concerning almost every issue you weigh in on, statements such as this cause me no concern whatsoever. but anti-fascists can be fascists pretending to be anti-fascists because that is convenient for you. They arenāt literally fascists, they just act like it. Most commies donāt bust out the oppressive totalitarian tendencies until after they have some power (a measure that is necessitated by the requirements of communism). These little commies are premature. Fascism and communism are two sides of the same coin. They just tell different lies. This is based entirely on leveraging every excuse you can possibly muster to conflate the far left with totalitarianism. I donāt need an excuse, I have facts. There is no conflation. But of course, every time capitalism goes wrong the right says "it wasn't a free market though". Not every time, only when the incentives that lead to said problem is caused by government regulation or mismanagement, which is often. The free market has never existed and is a utopian ideology Capitalists support minimum government interference with voluntary economic transactions. Thatās not utopian. Communism requires people to behave in ways that are not human, thatās utopian. This requirement inevitably gives us some version of a ācultural revolutionā or a āgreat leap forwardā (hopefully youāve looked those up since the last time I said it so that you can stop accidentally supporting those atrocities). And that inevitable outcome leads to the creation of obscuring terms like āstate capitalismā. Given the fact that capitalists have always been in bed with fascists Stick to zings. Your lies are too bland. and the only ones capitalism benefits are rich people and fascists I love this line. It requires people to deny all the evidence of all their senses. I can no longer resist assuming that you are a fascist jew. Now just get yourself some nationalism and youāll demonstrate the similarities between nazis and commies. Side: Not
Only if one takes the ridiculous approach of assuming all the communist failures where actually fascist. They weren't. āState Capitalismā was coined by a socialist and is used almost exclusively by socialists. Therefor it can't possibly be a valid concept, I gotcha. The lie that is promised hasnāt. But the outcome that inevitably follows that promise has been repeatedly actualized. Communism is not a lie just because it hasn't been actualized and the outcome you speak of is not the universal result of it. Before I expound on this I want you to look inside of yourself for some semblance of brutally neglected intellectual honesty and ask yourself if it's possible that capitalists could be lying when they say all socialist countries always amount to pure evil and pure failure in every conceivable way. I have found that much of what is said about the USSR and other socialist nations is utter bullshit designed to demonize an ideological enemy rather than tell the actual truth. After observing, and often proving how woefully incorrect you are concerning almost every issue you weigh in on, statements such as this cause me no concern whatsoever. Yes I would say the same about you. So I think I'll just ignore the rest since it is all bullshit anyway and you won't even consider anything I say in reply. Side: Was
Yes I would say the same about you. Before you do, go back and delete both debates on free will and the one on Marxism. Deleting such damning evidence will make it easier to ignore. Oh, but youāll have to use my argument thread since you constantly shift alt accounts. So I think I'll just ignore the rest I donāt begrudge your self-preservation. Side: Not
Weāve covered this. Translation: I tried to find any reason why the Soviet Union wasn't state capitalist. I failed. Now I'm going to try again. āState Capitalismā is what socialists call communism Communism is what socialists call communism, you idiot. when it turns out as predicted by capitalists. In that case you need to start calling capitalism "massive wealth inequality coupled with the systematic oppression of the working class", since it has always turned out as Marxists have predicted. In 1934 the Group of International Communists in the Netherlands denounced the USSR as "nothing but a capitalist economy taken over by the State and directed from the outside and from above by its bureaucracy". Side: Was
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2 things can be true at once. Not when they contradict each other, jerk-off. Part of being a great leader is not mass murdering people. He has something in common with his temporary buddy Adolf. His buddy who hated him and tried to invade his country? That buddy? Christ you're such a moron. Side: Was
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So, you're kinda saying, a terrorist, holding a bunch of people "hostage, under threat of death if they don't cooperate ā¦ a "strong leader"?? That's what right wingers "respect"?? Hell, all one needs is an assault rifle and some victims and he becomes a strong leader in the eyes of righties , qualified to be THEIR President! They get crazier and crazier! GOT to get rid of them! :-) Side: Not
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