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I disagree that the only constant thing is change

Authors/Creators/Designers/Masterminds will always be a constant factor for anything caused into existence be it a machine, book or whatever. Design/Nature/Uniqueness/Differentiation will always be constant as long as no two objects or angles(matter) can be accurately the same. Light and Darkness will always be constant and etc.
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You know my business communication lecturer used to say it a lot in class so much that it began to offend me and I decided you to think outside the myth ...and I trust what I was able to make up

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Sounds kind of like a perpetual motion device to me and i don't fucken buy fallacies...

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Esa frase está fuera de contexto. La dijo Heráclito en referencia a su teoría sobre la materia y lo que quería decir era que siempre se está desgastando y transformando.

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If everything needs a creator than every creator needs a creator, which means everything doesn't need a creator because that would mean there are infinite layers of creators each more complex and advanced then the last. If you think the "creation" you see around you is so advanced that it needs a creator, just think about how advanced and complex that creator must be. His existence would not solve the existence of the world, it is an answer that simply differs to something even more complex who's existence is an even bigger paradox then the world it supposedly created. Plus that creator also would need a creator unless you think it just popped out of nothingness, so you're better off just accepting that complex systems can arise out of the interaction of simpler components because you can't just say "well golly, gee whiz, this universe exists and there's complex stuff in it, so something even more complex that I still have no explanation for must have either popped out of nothing or have been created in an infinite quantum loop of creators and created it".

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NerdRaper(65) Disputed
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See I don't even need to read past your first line to pick apart the bullshit that will follow.

You are presenting the argument with the presupposition that there must always be a 'creator'.

False dilemma fallacy.

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jeffreyone(1383) Disputed
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I am simply saying Creators or Designers or authors or Masterminds will always be a constant factor. Even a crime committed has a mastermind who triggered it. Be it emotional , physical, psychological it will always be triggered by someone, or something. Who cares if the creator has a creator? What the relationship is , is about a specific event and it's author(s) or Masterminds. If you wish to investigate who caused the causer of that event into existence, that is an entirely different case as well.

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NerdRaper(65) Disputed
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"I am simply saying Creators or Designers or authors or Masterminds will always be a constant factor. Even a crime committed has a mastermind who triggered it"

You're all over the place.

Are you saying human beings will always be a constant factor of change? Which is stupid.

Or

Some sought of god is always a constant factor of change? Which is even more stupid.

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