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 I don't know if I should leave or stay. (51)

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I don't know if I should leave or stay.

I don't know if I should leave or stay. I have been thinking about it for 3 days and I don't know what to do.

I feel like I am not getting any smarter (at least I think).  Only a few people like me and I feel like the whole debate is angry and mad at me and hate me with a raging passion. I am really confused right now because you have confused me with evoultion crap, science, and other false things.

 

If you would like to say any negative things go ahead and say them because I don't give a crap and if you would like to say anything nice go ahead. But right now I don't know what I should do.

 

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4 points

Again???????????????????????????? Seriously! Stop spamming this site with your comment "I don't know if I should leave or stay." How many times have you said that? In the time I have been here, at least twice.

If you want to leave then leave. It is that simple.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
1 point

He's seeking attention and that's the bottom line.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
3 points

Tough choice buddy? Hmmmmmm?

Should I Stay or Go?

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.

Damn I got here too late! .

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.

I generally have a hard time disliking anyone, but I truly detest you.

Why do you I have such a strong passion for despising you?

You continue to fight logic, even when it's thrown at your face. In fact, you do this so much that I genuinely believe that you might be a troll... a troll so large that we haven't even been able to comprehend it. Maybe you've been trolling us all along.

Anyway, all you do is cause conflict on this site. Isn't that what debating is about? NO! It's not. It's about literally listening to the other person and keeping an open mind.

You have never and will never do that.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
Emperor(1339) Disputed
2 points

He's not a troll, he has a belief system that we don't agree with.

He has a right to an opinion, despite our opposition to it.

I do not think he is correct, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to debate here.

If you don't like debates, if all you want to talk about is logic and atheism, then join an atheist group.

A debate website should be open to ANYONE with a view, ESPECIALLY people with views different from ourselves.

So, I'm not really disputing you, I agree that disagreeing with logic is harmful, especially using religious logic which can lead to hate crimes, oppression and violence, but I don't think we should encourage anyone on this website to leave, or tell them their views are less than ours, simply because we feel that way.

Logic, facts and persuasion are powerful tools. Don't make enemies with someone just because you disagree.

Love your enemy.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
1 point

A debate website should be open to ANYONE with a view

Exactly! Srom's view is cemented. It will never, in one million years, move. This makes him somewhat of an invalid debater.

We're all just wasting energy disputing him because he'll never change his views. Especially on religion.

I totally agree that different viewpoints should be cherished. Unfortunately, he'll never cherish your viewpoint because he believes that you're going to rot in hell.

While it's rash, it's true. He will never change his viewpoints; what's the point in him debating?

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
1 point

I know exactly what you mean. The constant comments of his are so stupid, makes one wonder if he is actually a troll or if he really is that stupid. And I have never in my life met someone that stupid, face to face.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
0 points

Gee thanks......

Ok you hate me. That is fine but I will still continue to be nice to you even tho you hate me.

You continue to fight logic, even when it's thrown at your face. In fact, you do this so much that I genuinely believe that you might be a troll... a troll so large that we haven't even been able to comprehend it. Maybe you've been trolling us all along.

I ain't trolling. This is my main account so I wouldn't be trolling and most of the time I am serious.

Anyway, all you do is cause conflict on this site. Isn't that what debating is about? NO! It's not. It's about literally listening to the other person and keeping an open mind.

I do listen to the other people when they are debating. I read their arguements before I click the dispute button or support or whatever to make an arguement.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
Hellno(15782) Disputed
7 points

I ain't trolling. This is my main account

my main account

... more proof of your multiple accounts.. you just can't help yourself can you? Are you going to delete this debate like all your other debates when you don't like the way things are going?

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
1 point

I will still continue to be nice to you even tho you hate me.

That's very nice of you. I, unfortunately, acted rashly.

I do listen to the other people when they are debating.

This, unfortunately, is not true. It just simply isn't.

my parents set a good example for me when I was really young and they cared about me and showed their love of Christ in them to me.

You said that in another debate. I've come at you with this before.... Your religion is almost entirely based on your upbringing, and nothing else. This could not be truer for you.

Because your parents are Christians, you're a Christian. It's a simple process that's been documented, time and time again.

And yet you continue to genuinely believe that you're a Christian because god found you.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
2 points

Well here is some proof for those who do not believe. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread390640/pg1

Plus the bible has been proven over and over again my non-christian historians and scientist to be a 100% trustworthy source of history written by completely trustworthy people. They can not prove otherwise. For you that do not believe in God. I will go with you on this I will assume there is no God. We were made by random chance. Meaning our brains were made by random molocules. So our thoughts have no organization. By your beliefs you guys literally have no idea what you are talking about because your theories show that ultimatly you do not know what you are talking about. But if we were created by God then we can put thoughts together with complete organization. Think about that.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
Hellno(15782) Disputed
2 points

Hi Srom... we all know this is you! Duh!

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
Superman005(5) Disputed
1 point

@Hellno, actually this is not him. You can look at the account and see how long it has been active and how few times I have written anything. If srom was to use another account to do this wouldn't you think he would have a lot more comments by now?

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
2 points

I am not sure how this website works yet. But here is another thing I noticed. You all think that Srom has a starting point of the bible which makes him no good a debating. Well you are half right. He does have a starting point of the bible but that doesnt make him a bad debater. Here is the thing, he read the bible and listened to his parents. You guys followed the text books you were taught in school and listened to your parents. You all have a starting point of mans word. So Srom starts with the bible and you start with Man. By your own logic you do not have the ability to debate either. So you can not say that he can not debate because by your own logic and reasoning you can not debate either.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
Emperor(1339) Disputed
4 points

No, textbook's are the typed words of man, but with science, it's based on observation.

I can drop, and I HAVE. I TESTED GRAVITY.

I have dropped an object several times, to be SURE. 100% sure that gravity consistently existed, and behaved as predicted by the theory of gravity I read in a textbook.

Next, I thought "God, are you there?"

I said out loud "God, are you there?"

I shouted, "GOD, DO YOU EXIST?"

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And there was no answer.

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Now, if me calling out to god was my only solution, the Christians here would be upset I did so little.

My atheism is not built on top of only the lack of an answer. It is built on the fact that there are multiple religions, religions that Christians feel are wrong, the fact that prayer doesn't work, there was even a study on it. People who were prayed for actually had more complications. The fact that most Christians seem dumb an uninterested in the world. I mean, scientists like Carl Sagan continuously tell us how amazing the universe is, how beautiful everything is, how every person is part of the universe, yet, if a Christian ever has an interest in philosophy, the most he can say are things from the Bible. There is nothing original, nothing new, nothing interesting or anything that makes you think. There are apples that curse you, two humans ate one in a story, so ALL humans are born evil, with a desire for sin. That is horrifyingly depressing.

With my science though, I don't need philosophy based on religion. I can use logic. I start with nihilism, and work my way up. I discover my own purpose. I choose it. I have chosen to make the world a better, happier place using science.

It has been done before, hasn't it? Computers, farming techniques, energy and electricity, lights, speakers to play music, lasers for my cats, matches, sunglasses, everything that we use today is because of science and technology.

If you feel technology is evil, or as I do, that it can be used for evil, then don't make technology. Don't invent nuclear bombs. Don't use them if they do exist. Choose to be better.

Science works better than religion because unlike religion, science is testable and falsifiable.

Christians, the worst sort of Christian will say something like "Science changes so much, wasn't Einstein's theory almost totally destroyed when they thought neutrinos went faster than light? Just look at how easily a theory is destroyed! It's worthless xD"

But if you think a bit deeper, WHY would Einstein's theory be destroyed?

It would be because we would have needed BETTER theory.

A theory ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS works.

The second it doesn't work, it's thrown out. GONE.

I'm not joking, if a scientific theory is made, it's expected to work in reality. If reality shows that the theory is wrong, then it's gone.

If you don't trust theory, then TEST IT.

You can always test theory, because a scientific theory works.

It's not like "I have a theory about this lol"

A scientific theory works. That's why it's better than a religious book.

You can't test religion. The very fact that it's a SIN to test your god shows that.

If you believe in a Bible that you aren't allowed to test, that's filled with contradictions and insane rules and impossible stories that defy reality, yet theories DON'T defy reality, then which do you trust?

When you have only one life, do you spend it believing in stuff that can't be proven?

Or do you spend it discovering new things and experiencing life, using tools that can help you understand?

Science, art, philosophy, mathematics. All that can help a person grow to be better. Courage and friendship.

Choosing how you live is important. Don't let anyone else tell you what to do though.

Don't believe me, if you think my words are clever. Find the truth.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
Superman005(5) Disputed
2 points

Out of all of that you said there was one thing that Caught my eye. I believe it destroys all of what you said. Observational Science? Most of what you and others say you believe is not at all observsational science. No one but God was there when the earth was created. No human being can observe anything unless we make a time machine to see what Happen. The bible was Written by man inspired by God. Textbooks are written by man inspired by Man. So yes it is the same thing. But if you think that you can not believe in it because you can not see, feel, hear, smell, or taste it then we have a small problem. Here are a few examples why. Is there such a thing as heat?

You would say: Yes.

Is there such a thing as cold?

Again you would say: Yes

But No,There isn’t.

You can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, just the absence of it.

What about darkness, Is there such a thing as darkness?

You would Say: Yes

But again no there isn't. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

My point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

You are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now I would assume that if you teach you would teach that we evolved from monkeys, or the "natural evolutionary process".

You would say: Yes

Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

Is there anyone in here who has ever seen Mackindale's brain?

Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Mackindale's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one Has. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain. With all due respect, Mackindale how do we then trust your lectures/ beliefs?

We would have to take it all on faith. Everyone in here has faith, but some like yourself seem to seperate faith in God from your own. Now I personaly have heard God. But many have not and they just have full faith in God without using their 5 senses. Sorry about answering for you I had to do it to give my example.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
Emperor(1339) Clarified
1 point

ack, massive error in the beginning...

*I can drop an object, and expect it to consistently follow the laws of gravity.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
LeRoyJames(371) Disputed
1 point

You're putting too much faith in science. Just because you decide not to invent nuclear bombs doesn't mean that no one else will. Once knowledge is out there, it's out there for anyone to use it, for good or for bad. Also, science can be used as an argument for doing evil just as religion can. Hitler used the logic of science to "prove" that the German race was superior to other races and to justify exterminating the other races. Governments can control what research is done, what gets reported etc.. Corporations can preferentially publish reports that show their product to be more beneficial, and other products to be harmful. In the end, it isn't religion or science that has the capacity to do wrong, it's people that have that capacity, and religion and science are just tools to do that.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
2 points

Srom, I don't know what set you off, but I would like to share the following remarks.

1. Don't be a quitter (I don't need to say more on this one).

2. If you feel you arguments are strong, but need some support, try getting your priest/pastor to join and support the christian arguments you are making.

3. Debating is arguing. Some people argue more than others. Some people take it personally. Don't get sucked in. Argue your points and stay strong. Agree to disagree if need be.

4. If you leave, you will leave a void and none of us want that!

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
2 points

You should leave... you're annoying.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
1 point

Don't leave!!

Even though I debate you with all my might, I don't dislike you.

I don't dislike anyone on here, EVER.

This is a debate site, so I'm gonna attack your points at full power, but I won't attack you.

You're still young and have a loooot to learn.

I'm not saying that I know what you will learn. You will experience life and learn from that.

If you feel that you are losing debates, then studystudystudy.

Don't use bad information, use true information. Don't agree with something because you want it to be right, agree because it IS right.

Then use that information in your debates to WIN.

That's what I do, and I learn a lot.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
Emperor(1339) Clarified
2 points

Also, this community needs you.

If it's all atheistic, then it's going to stagnate and rot into some elitist culture of atheism.

We need diversity, and that means you!

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
1 point

Also, when you say "False things" as if false meant something beyond false, you sound biased.

Evolution isn't "false". I'm not going to tell you what to believe, but it is an established scientific theory that I think is correct.

Learn why people think evolution is correct and why it works and become something better.

I believe in humanity, and I think humans are beautiful, but only if we can work together to solve problems and be happy.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
1 point

Don't use bad information, use true information. Don't agree with something because you want it to be right, agree because it IS right.

I do use true information. Some of you guys just don't agree on it. That's what I hate. Especially when I talk about Christianity.

Then use that information in your debates to WIN.

What do you think I have have been doing ever since I joined? I have never won a debate on here ever. I probably have the lowest losing record of all time right now and its still going on. I can never win someone in a debate its always them.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
Emperor(1339) Disputed
1 point

True information?

You need to understand knowledge and how we know something is true.

How do you know something is true? Do you guess?

Do you test it? Or do you believe it really hard?

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
1 point

So I came to say my opinion... but it seems Mackindale and I have the same opinion on this matter, down to the last detail.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
1 point

Well you're being quite suborn with the " evolution crap, science and other crap things." Of course people are going to complain, you obviously feel strongly about your views, as do other people about theirs. This is the whole point of a debating site. If you don't like it, then sure go.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
1 point

Don't. leave me!

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.

Yeah, logic, reason and knowledge are all invented by Satan to shake your faith. Grow up.

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.

It is really up to you, nobody can make that decision for you, if you want opinions, then leave. -----------------------------------------

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
1 point

I agree with Mackindale (forgive me if I spell your name wrong).

You shouldn't leave, Srom. You're bound to get opposistion of your beliefs on a debate site, so don't leave just because your arguments aren't being considered correct. One of the many reasons for debate is for both sides of an issue to clash. Oh, and if you leave, I won't be able to debate you. :/

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.
1 point

Wait? Did I answer this? Yes! You should leave and do it soon!

2 years ago | Side: I don't know if I should leave or stay.


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