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The person who screamed how it did not bother him to be banned, is COMPLANING ONCE AGAIN!
Try being honest and wha la, you will no longer be banned.
Do you remember what got you banned? I said you support late term abortions for any reasons when electing those who vow they will keep it legal, and you DENIED supporting it.
THIS IS WHY YOU ARE BANNED! Live with your pathetic deception!
I (Mingiwuwu, Andy banned my account for editing my posts blank) was honest with you about how you banning me upsetted me, I asked you several times to let me back and promised earnestly to be polite (I was never rude in the first place). In response, you told me either to admit things that weren't true and that I wanted to debate against, regarding abortion being murder etc, or to accept my ban from your debates.
The reasoning behind your ban, therefore, was that I was honest about my beliefs and you didn't like them.
I never said you had to agree with me that abortion was murder. I SAID... when you elect politicians who vow to keep No Restriction late term abortions legal, then you are supporting the killing of viable babies for any reason.
So do you support the killing of viable babies for any reason when you elect those who keep it legal?
When you admit this fact, and when you reframe from being insulting towards Christians, being hateful and vulgar towards people on this site, then I will take you off my ban list.
This is not rocket science. Excon knows exactly why he is banned, yet he refuses to admit what he supports. There can be no debate without honesty.
do you support the killing of viable babies for any reason when you elect those who keep it legal?
You're full of shit when you say this because not every democrat supports abortion for "any reason" and not every leftist supports any particular political party.
reframe from being insulting towards Christians, being hateful
Stop being insulting and hateful towards leftists, atheists and gays.
Did I say every Democrat? I said those that vow to keep No Restriction abortions legal, which is every Democrat running for President.
Every President running for President also supports getting rid of the Hyde amendment which would force ALL tax payers to pay to kill babies.
Almost the entire Democrat Senate voted down the Republican's 20 week limit on abortions( which still allowed extreme case exceptions)!!!!!!!!
Go spew your deception somewhere else.
I am not insulting and hateful towards people with different opinions. I insult the leftist on this site who insult me first. I insult those who are dishonest with what they support.
You literally claimed that money has always existed and claimed that it's existence is necessary to exchange things. You're a literal retard, I banned you for the opposite reason that FW bans people.
You literally claimed that money has always existed
Hello again, J:
You claim that trade existed WITHOUT a medium of exchange.. That's STUPID, STUPID, STUPID... Even IF the medium of exchange was GOATS, or BEADS, it existed, you dumb shit..
Look.. I can't explain money to somebody who thinks people will work for "resources" instead of money.. OK, you dumb fuck, then "resources" ARE the MONEY... How is it that you don't grasp this SIMPLE concept????
You claim that trade existed WITHOUT a medium of exchange.
I claimed no such thing. I merely insinuated the FACT that money hasn't always existed by claiming it was "invented" (a better term might be "contrived"). Trade can exist without a medium of exchange you absolute stupid fuck, and money is not the only type of medium of exchange. If you just trade two items directly without any form of symbolic value system or currency then you are exchanging without a medium of exchange.
"A medium of exchange is an intermediary instrument or system used to facilitate the sale, purchase or trade of goods between parties. For a system to function as a medium of exchange, it must represent a standard of value." - Investopedia
If you simply trade an item for another (as people did before money was invented/contrived and they still often do) then there is no "medium of exchange". There is just two people agreeing that what they are exchanging is worth the trade for both parties.
Look.. I can't explain money to somebody who thinks people will work for "resources"
That's literally what you're working for when you work for money you subhuman object. Would you work for money if you couldn't use it to obtain goods and services? You're literally not a person.
I am talking about a symbolic value-equivalent commodity.
Hello again, J:
That's a PERFECT description of a paper dollar..
But, I think you're talking about a "resource" - NOT a dollar... Truth is, I have NO fucking idea what a "resource" is. You don't either... Where I live, I can't spend "resources" at my local grocery.. Neither can you..
Speaking of that, I've asked you time and time again to explain how your "resource based economy" works on the ground.. You have NEVER answered.. And, we both know WHY, don't we?? It's because it DOESN'T work on the ground.. It's NEVER worked on the ground.. It's pure fantasy..
Lemme remind our readers what I'm talking about.. I'm talking about the very "resources" you're talking about.. I just wonder HOW you get 'em.. WHO brings them to you? Do you "earn" 'em, or do you get 'em because you're a wonderful human being? If you don't "earn" 'em, do you get the SAME amount as the people who DO earn 'em? Can you SPEND 'em at your local grocery store? HOW do you get to your local grocery store, anyway? Do you drive? Can you exchange your "resources" for gasoline? Where do you live in a "resource based economy"? Do you have a private house, or do you live where everybody else lives? Does everybody have private houses? Who BUILDS those houses? Where do HIS "resources" come from?
Look.. These are SIMPLE questions about your "resource" based society, and you can't answer even the basic question about HOW you feed your family...
So, don't talk to me about money.. You're fucking BONKERS when it comes to money..
Truth is, I have NO fucking idea what a "resource" is.
No shit.
You don't either
Resources are things that can be used, to put it simply.
Where I live, I can't spend "resources" at my local grocery
You go to the grocery to get resources like food in the first place you absolute fucking waste of matter. Even money is a type of resource, it is a resource used to represent the value of resources so that you can exchange it for resources.
I've asked you time and time again to explain how your "resource based economy" works on the ground
How does capitalism work? If you were intellectually honest, you would see that is not a question that can be concisely answered because there are many complicated factors to an economic system "working". You AREN'T intellectually honest though, so your answer would be something like this: "It's SIMPLE, capitalism WORKS because people have been trading for eternity". This is essentially the answer you gave before, and if you had an IQ over 0 you would know that two primitive tribes trading 30 goats for 100 wolf skins is not "capitalism".
it DOESN'T work on the ground
It's never even been attempted before and it isn't even something that can be "attempted" because it is a gradually arising thing, not something that you can just decide to implement. RBE isn't even relevant to the topic at hand though, you are literally just deflecting because you dug yourself into a hole when it comes to what we were actually debating about.
if you had an IQ over 0 you would know that two primitive tribes trading 30 goats for 100 wolf skins is not "capitalism".
Hello again, J:
Capitalism is investing for profit.. Using your example, if either of those trading partners were trading for PROFIT, it's capitalism - end of story.
That they were spending pelts and/or goats instead of "money" changes NOTHING in their quest for PROFIT.
That you think it didn't dawn on them that if they charged a couple more goats, they could garner a tidy profit. If they were sophisticated enough to understand TRADE, they were sophisticated enough to understand PROFIT..
Capitalism is an economic system wherein the means of production are privately owned and run for profit you halfwitted ass wipe. In primitive tribes the means of production are hunted and gathered from the wilderness, there are no factories or farms etc. that are owned and run specifically to make a profit for the owner.
That they were spending pelts/goats instead of "money" changes NOTHING in their quest for PROFIT.
Profit means more than one thing. Profit in the context of capitalism means CAPITAL specifically, not "to avail from something".
Profit in the context of capitalism means CAPITAL specifically, not "to avail from something".
Hello again, J:
I have no idea what you just said...
Lemme put it this way... IF you're a primitive goat herder, your GOATS are your capital..
You appear to think if, by shrewd negotiation, a goat herder INCREASES his goat herd, it's NOT capitalism, but if a Wall Street trader increase his bank account, it IS capitalism..
DUDE! You understand NOTHING about this shit.. That would be NOTHING..
Lemme say this again.. Capitalism is investing for profit.. That's ALL it is.. The profit you earn from your goat herd is NO different than the profit you earn from manufacturing widgets..
Only people with learning disabilities would have trouble understanding that. The rest of what you said is automatically dismissed on the basis that you are just a senile goat fucker with learning disabilities.
if, by shrewd negotiation, a goat herder INCREASES his goat herd, it's NOT capitalism, but if a Wall Street trader increase his bank account, it IS capitalism.
Wall Street traders gamble with other people's money and you don't need to be a capitalist to increase your goat herd. Capitalism has nothing to do with goats. Excon, I swear, you are among the very stupidest people I have ever encountered.
Capitalism is investing for profit.. That's ALL it is.
Oh, that's "all it is"? That's great buddy. Except that makes capitalism theft. When you inflate the price of your goats so you can sell them for more than you paid for them then that is theft. You are getting enthusiastic about stealing from other people in order to line your own pockets.
There's a good reason Jesus hated capitalists like you, and it's because you're scumbags.
I'm literally agreeing with you. Your problem is that you are a child who cannot control his own emotions. You are emotionally retarded and that is obvious from every aspect of your behaviour.
When it was convenient for you you said that I was the one who agreed with you and you didn't agree with me. Everything you say is just for convenience in the present moment. The only reason you are a socialist is because most people don't understand and/or hate socialism, making it the best ideology to be condescending with.
When it was convenient for you you said that I was the one who agreed with you
Lmao. Oh, you want to lecture me about convenience while you simultaneously try to merge together two different conversations, about two different topics, which occurred on two different dates? Clearly, you are not a well individual. You have nothing in your life except hate. It's pathetic.
You claim that trade existed WITHOUT a medium of exchange.. That's STUPID, STUPID, STUPID
LMFAO. It's historical fact you laughably ignorant moron. Money has only existed for about 7,000 years. The concept of trade is tens of thousands of years old. Literally all you need to do to verify it is to open Wikipedia, but you'd obviously prefer to just sit here shouting and calling history stupid:-
An early form of trade, barter, saw the direct exchange of goods and services for other goods and services. Barter involves trading things without the use of money.
Trade originated with human communication in prehistoric times. Trading was the main facility of prehistoric people, who bartered goods and services from each other before the innovation of modern-day currency. Peter Watson dates the history of long-distance commerce from circa 150,000 years ago.
Money exists in all functional versions of society, even anarchic ones. Cash and bank accounts don't necessarily do so.
What happens is that in non-Capitalist societies, the 'money' becomes a state-enforced (or people-enforced) arbitrary value system that still is forced to be convertible into other currencies if that society/community wants to interact with the rest of the world. The only way money could not exist, would be if we were to hold everything, no matter how lazy or inferior he/she/it/they is/are at efficiency of getting desired results, equally valuable to everything else, no matter how much harder he/she/it/they works or superior it uses resources to get desired results.
Such a version of reality would certainly become defunct, by bankruptcy and extinction, in a very short amount of time. Any being remaining, would be that which had a better concept of value and therefore money, which then would translate rapidly into having a central means of value that people trade with.
The only way money could not exist, would be if we were to hold everything, no matter how lazy or inferior he/she/it/they is/are at efficiency of getting desired results, equally valuable to everything else
Money has not existed for a very long time without those conditions. Humans have always had subjective value and inter-subjective value (agreed upon value) but for most of our species' existence there has not been any form of currency.
That subjective value you talk about, was what cash evolved from and with. It is money, we just made there be an actual 'number' and paper/coin element attached to it so that things became 'concrete' and no one had to fight over what was being traded (only the value of it, relative to the currency of cash).
and claimed that it's existence is necessary to exchange things.
Hello again, J:
No, I'm not done with you yet..
So, you're saying that PRIOR to 5,000 years ago, when there was NO money, if someone wanted to TRADE 20,000 bales of hay, for 20,000 pounds of meat, they had to HAVE 20,000 pounds of meat, and 20,000 bales of hay WITH them at the negotiating table..
If that's NOT the STUPIDEST thing I've EVER heard from a fucking communist, you'll come up with something STUPIDER in your next post.. I can't wait..
So, you're saying that PRIOR to 5,000 years ago, when there was NO money, if someone wanted to TRADE 20,000 bales of hay, for 20,000 pounds of meat, they had to HAVE 20,000 pounds of meat, and 20,000 bales of hay WITH them at the negotiating table
That's how reality works you dumb goddamned bastard. You can't give somebody something if you don't have it in the first place. You can't do that whether money exists or not.
You're an absolutely stupid moron. I've personally explained to you several times how money historically changed trade and its incentive, but just like you did when your ancestry test was debunked by SCIENTIFIC EXPERTS, you IGNORE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE WRONG and continue on anyway. You want to talk about the stupidest thing you've ever heard? Well buddy, YOU are the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Stupid, self-centred, dishonest and rude.