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Debate Score:22
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I get that right wingers think Trumpcare is GOOD for the country.. I just don't know WHY.

Hello:

Is it because it'll deliver the promised health care, or because it'll save us so much money??

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1 point

LMMFAO just to rich if Obiecare was such a wonderful thing for the country why does it need to be a topic ? If Obiecare was the nirvana the left claimed it was then why was a penalty imposed for not having healthcare ?

Side: Health Care
AveSatanas(4443) Disputed
2 points

Because you need revenue to run a healthcare system. Maybe we wouldnt need to have that fine in place if we could divert money away from military waste and toward healthcare.

Side: Money
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

Again if Obiecare was so good there would be no need for a penalty for no health insurance

Side: Health Care
Ramshutu(227) Disputed
1 point

This is the fallacy of false dichotomy.

No one said that Obamacare is or would be perfect; there are issues, and it hasn't been quite as effective than thought: but has been much more effective than it likely would have been had nothing happened.

Now, is your question about "why was a penalty imposed" a rhetorical question? Or have you googled it, or made an attempt to understand the purpose of the individual mandate?

Side: Money
1 point

I know that bringing in jihadists seems good to left wingers. I just don't know why.

To answer the question. A dead ratman in a bathtub would be better than Obamacare. 30 million people who were actually insured quit going to the doctor because of costs. They all died in the streets if you ask Excon.

Side: Health Care
AveSatanas(4443) Disputed
2 points

Were talking about healthcare not immigration. Try to stay on topic please

Obamacare cut the amount of deaths per year from about 40,000 to 20,000. Millions gained coverage that didnt have it before. Cite your sources where 30 million people died in the streets.

Side: Money
1 point

Looks like it/he/she is citing the stat that 30 million people who were actually covered, didn't go to the doctor simply because it was unaffordable. The 30 million will "die in the streets" looks to be a mocking of Excon using the phrase about the 20 million that Obamacare covered for free by destroying the 30 million and others to get that free care in place.

Side: Health Care
4 points

It goes back to my other post. Their money is their money. Your lack of money is your problem. Anything that they think preserves their money is A O K. Never mind that it hurts them or their community in ways they haven't appreciated yet, because they'll just blame those pains on Obama anyway.

Side: Money
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/19/510491692/ the-america-donald-trump-is-inheriting-by-the-numbers

Over the course of Obama's presidency, one basic trend was clear across a variety of economic indicators: After he took office, things got worse before they got better. That's not his fault, of course; President Obama took office in the middle of a devastating recession, and he introduced a stimulus bill that helped pull the country out of its plunge. Since then, many areas of the economy have (slowly but surely) recovered nicely.

Why is lack of money a problem if Obama was so great on the economy ?

Side: Health Care
3 points

Right wingers don't understand why they think it is good for the country either. But the mind of a Conservative is very simple to manipulate. You simply tell them it's the opposite of what Obama wants, and since they hate Obama they figure it must be good.

Side: Money
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

Again LeatherHead you are low information !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/ 2017-02-16/another-sign-that-obamacare-exchanges-are-collapsing

Yet more bad news for Obamacare this week: Molina Healthcare lost $110 million on the exchanges last year, and the CEO told investors, “There are simply too many unknowns with the marketplace program to commit to our participation beyond 2017.”

Molina’s losses suggest that instead of stabilizing, the exchanges are getting worse. There is no way to fix Obamacare without fixing the pool so that younger, healthier people buy insurance.

Democrats had six years to come up with a way to do that (or perhaps I should say, a way to do that that could actually get through Congress without hordes of angry voters burning their representatives in effigy). They failed. Now Republicans are taking their shot, and so far at least, they don’t seem any more on target than Democrats were.

The life expectancy of the individual market for health insurance is not looking good.

From Left Wing Bloomberg news!!!!!!!!!

Side: Health Care
Quantumhead(749) Disputed
1 point

Again LeatherHead you are low information !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In actual fact, your cut and paste job serves to prove my point. Instead of explaining why you think TrumpCare is good, you've wasted 7 paragraphs attacking ObamaCare.

Side: Health Care