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I'm sick of the weasel wording of atheists.
I'm sick of the weasel wording of atheists. So let's make this interesting. When an atheist says there is no evidence of God, that means evidence according to who ?
Its not that theres no evidence, its that the evidence that has been provided is either sparse, flawed, or unconvincing for a number of reasons. There is insufficient evidence corresponding to the magnitude of the claim that god exists. A claim as large as "A god exists" requires tons of evidence that all cross confirms that to be true. But the evidence that has been amassed by theologians over the years is sparse, flawed, and even contradictory at times.
Um, you described your brand of religion. This is exactly how you behave in your debates. You ask for explanations, then you reject everything presented to you for no reason, then you ban people do they can't actually give an
You made the debate bud, take it down if your that hurt! And don't just ban people of there opinions, I have a debate called 100 Reasons Atheists are Right, and a person named SaintNow say otherwise, I haven't banned him because he is doing nothing wrong, I may disagree with his statements but he has not broke a rule, you just ban people because you don't like what they say which makes you sound like a brat.
Okay so what evidence of which God do you have? I am an atheist and I have full confidence that you will fail to produce any evidence that your God exists. None of the Gods that are written about in religious texts are real and that is very evident by the conflicting nature of the descriptions of these Gods. These are very provable points. I love to debate religion and the existence of Gods so Let's start with your evidence for your God.
"""" I love to debate religion and the existence of Gods """////
You might love it. But you're not good at it. Notice what you did.
""" So what evidence of which God do you have "" ///
That proves that you do not know what God means. If you do, how can you claim there's more than one.
"""is very evident by the conflicting nature of the descriptions of these God""///
That's something you have to prove. I'm not going to let that one pass until you demonstrate that you know what you're talking about.
So proceed.
That's how It works buddy. You cannot pretend to be in a position to discuss the nature of evidence if you do not know what the hell you're talking about
As an atheist I recognize that all Gods are imaginary and there have been many different Gods through recorded history and in current times. There are many different belief systems about the supposed same Gods. Since Gods are the product of imagination there are literally thousands of different takes on just the Christian God/demigod. 30,000 is the estimated number. If there is just one then why is there a history so full of different Gods and why do people worship more than one now?
So which God are we discussing? That is important to know since the religious texts about that God are where the answers are.
I am the most familiar with Yahweh/Jehovah. so if I may provide an example this God is suppose to be omniscient, (knowing all even the future). If this is true then Genesis 6:6 can not be true as God would not intentionally create something which was disappointing yet this God did.
So now what evidence do you have to offer that your God exists?
I am a Humanist, I believe in the power and worth of human beings. Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over acceptance of dogma or superstition. I do not agree with many opinions put across in the bible, for example, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. I like to live by a little quote my history teacher told me... An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. There are many other sexist and homophobic beliefs in the bible that disappoint me. People say religion gives them hope, but what about all the hope and belief here on our own planet? We, human beings created technology, electricity, And many more amazing accomplishments all on our own. And I believe we don't need anything else to believe in of we just believe in ourselves. These are the words of a thirteen year old human being, without the help of any God.
On Thursday, October 30, 2014, Senior District Judge Ancer Haggerty issued a ruling on American Humanist Association v. United States, a case that was brought by the American Humanist Association (AHA) and Jason Holden, a federal prisoner. Holden pushed for the lawsuit because he wanted Humanism — which the AHA defines as “an ethical and life-affirming philosophy free of belief in any gods and other supernatural forces” — recognized as a religion so that his prison would allow for the creation of a Humanist study group. Haggerty sided with the plaintiffs in his decision, citing existing legal precedent and arguing that denying Humanists the same rights as groups such as Christianity would be highly suspect under the Establishment Clause in the U.S. Constitution, which declares that Congress “shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”
“The court finds that Secular Humanism is a religion for Establishment Clause purposes,” the ruling read.
The decision highlights the unusual position of the Humanist community, which has tried for years to obtain the same legal rights as more traditional religious groups while simultaneously rebuking the existence of a god or gods. But while some Humanists may chafe at being called a “religion,” others feel that the larger pursuit of equal rights trumps legal classifications.
Humanism is a religion in which the self-worshiper sets himself up as the god. It is a self-deceptive religion, a means of fraudulently convincing oneself that they are justified to live. The flaw is obvious in that the humanist is dying and cannot justify one heartbeat or one breath of air, and the humanist must deny these things are gifts as he sets himself up as the god of himself who cannot give himself life. It's a self-defeating religion, praising self while self is being pulled down in corruption of death, declaring self to be the god which is ok with having one foot in the grave and the other on thin ice melting over the fire of Hell. The humanist believes for no tangible reason that he is too good for Hell. It's the religion of fools.
. The humanist believes for no tangible reason that he is too good for Hell. It's the religion of fools.
No you, stupid fatty moron doggy idiotic bratty nasty faced dope headed foul mouthed punk fool hater, they dont believe in hell. Can you honestly not see the difference?
As an atheist, I'll be the first to admit it is foolish to say there is NO evidence of God. There IS evidence, otherwise people would likely not believe in such large numbers.
Personally, nobody who has ever tried to present evidence regarding God's existence has managed to demonstrate that the evidence shows a necessity of God, or does not have significant opposing evidence, or cannot be accounted for by psychology and sociology.
So yeah, there IS evidence of God, it is just pretty irrational evidence.
Matter, energy, and what? Whats the 3rd thing? You say its non material but if thats the case then its not necessary at all. Life just needs matter and energy. Youre tacking on an unnecessary 3rd "element".
I love it. What is the answer to every question? God! Daddy why is the sky blue? God! Why does ice float? God! Why is daddy such an muppet? God!!! Thats right. Who needs science we know the answer to everything already.
I understand science just fine. What is this 3rd thing and why is it necessary? From the looks of it youre just asserting theres a 3rd thing. And simplifying the ingredients of life down to just 3 things isnt very scientific to begin with.
So billions of years would be supernatural, causing life to emerge out of non-living matter. So much for the weasel wording of atheists who say the don't believe in anything supernatural.
Here's an example of stupid things atheist say as they try to tell us how happy they are:
Where would "The Devil" have come from in the religious thought process? Would he impregnate a virgin with a demigod like Yahweh/Jesus? Does Yahweh enjoy evil and that is why he gave all of his creation the capacity for evil. If God created everything and evil exists and flourishes wouldn't that mean that God loves evil and helps it flourish. I guess in the religious world if the Devil is Evil and God created evil then God would have created me therefore the devil is my father. You religious people are just so smart I don't know how you come up with this stuff, LOL
Whew, I'm glad that this religious stuff is make believe otherwise it would be scary
Unless your God is not considered intelligent by you it's your story. God happened from nothingness or something else created God. So where did God come from?
The area we know as our universe was created by the natural processes that occur pertaining to matter and energy. We know that you can't destroy either one you can just change them. It is feasible that matter and energy have always existed. Since they are nothing more that inanimate particles that have no knowledge or plan that drift in the endless void we refer to as space. For intelligence to occur it took eons and countless interactions of matter and energy. or we could follow your theory and just say God came from Magic That sounds much more intelligent than the scientific answers, LOL
God would not be God if He came from something and did not create all things. The "God" you argue against is not God, it's a straw man fake God because there is no wisdom, nor counsel, nor understanding against the LORD. The only way you can pretend to refute God is by setting up a straw man which is not God. You're on your way to Hell, Bob.
btw: .... the Creation of the Universe and all the elements that allow it to exist: time / energy / gravity / space and matter came about by a miracle from God (and God said) .... science has no ability to examine the supernatural .. only the natural ... science has no ability to examine a virgin birth or resurrection from the dead .... just as God brought the Universe into existence (from nothing) ... he will also take it out of existence (into nothing) and will create a new Heaven and a new earth (of a different kind) which will be pulled into eternity (where time will no longer exist) and we will live in the presence of God forever .... those who hate and reject God will live apart from the presence of God forever
How stupid can you be, Bob? You are implying a thing that came form something is God and you know God can only be God who created all things and has always been God before any thing was created by Him. God created all things. How did you become so stupid that you cannot understand this? Is it because you are trying to prove your intelligence is equal to rocks which have no life?
Waw take a look at that for logic. Science cant examine something supernatural. Or in other words science cant examine something that science cant examine. Is virgin birth supernatural? Yes. Why? Because it cant be examined by science. Why cant it be examined by science? Because its supernatural. Well done there little buddy.
sometimes I copy and paste other peoples comments and throw them back without reading them, the first line was Cartmans, I really don't come here to debate, it happens
Attention to all participants............................. Notice the simple a question that I asked, and how it continues to be avoided............................""" According to who ? ""
I see, so unless I give you the exact answer you want to hear (which you only want to hear because it affirms your black-and-white preconceived notions), I have nothing to contribute.
I love how Christians can never prove their points in the real world.
What evidence for which God are we discussing and then we discuss who the evidence disproving came from. Normally in my discussions the evidence disproving the God in question comes from the religious text about that God example: God: Yahweh/Jehovah The evidence for non existence comes from the Bible
Before I can disprove something there must be evidence that there is something to disprove. You can't just state that leprechauns exist and it is so. If God is in your imagination which is what I contend then God is individual to you or your interpretation of a God one that you have learned through others normally using religious texts. This is very clear evidence that there is no single God which actually exists. Now if all humans were aware of a single God and knew it's desires (one single religious belief system) that would be evidence for the existence of God. So which of these is true? Do you see how this works the evidence always points to God being imaginary.
Do you see this guys ? I asked him to defend all his assumptions in the previous comments, and look at the crap he came up with.
""Before I can disprove something there must be evidence that there is something to disprove.""///
Once again, he failed to answer evidence for who ?
"" I contend then God is individual to you or your interpretation of a God one that you have learned through others normally using religious texts.""////
Context Imposition Fallacy
""" if all humans were aware of a single God and knew it's desires (one single religious belief system) that would be evidence for the existence of God."""////
You talk about the weasel wording of atheists, it's what you are doing. I have offered to challenge any evidence you have that God exists outside of your imagination. I offer evidence that a single God does not exist. You have failed to identify the individual God or group of Gods that we are to discuss yet you imply that I am wrong. Truth is that in the discussion of Gods one of us is wrong as we can't both be correct. I can offer evidence which demonstrates that Gods were created by men and are found only in the human imagination. You can offer nothing but weasel wording.
From an epistemological standpoint God is imaginary. God is only found in the imaginations of those who have been given information about Gods from others. This dates back to prehistoric times when the world that humans lived in was mysterious and many natural occurrences were unexplainable to ancient men so they created imaginary superheros called Gods that would help to offer explanation for things not understood. As the popularity of this idea grew the intellectually stronger people realized that this meant they could use this idea of Gods to have authority over the weaker minded people. It still goes on today. Men created Gods in their image but with awesome powers.
So how do you wish to show me that Gods are not just imaginary and found only in the imaginations of the believers?
"""From an epistemological standpoint God is imaginary. God is only found in the imaginations of those who have been given information about Gods from others. """///
Proof is not applicable when discussing imaginary items, What can be done is to provide evidence to support your claim and you can dispute evidence offered that is false. The evidence can support your claim or can fail to support the claim. This is why identification of the entity we are discussing is important. If it is just a general single creator, Yahweh, Brahma, Vishnu, Leprechauns, Santa Clause, ect. These are all imaginary things that people have believed to be real. Then evidence was presented that caused an overwhelming position of disbelief in this imaginary entity or the denial of the evidence presented.
"""This dates back to prehistoric times when the world that humans lived in was mysterious and many natural occurrences were unexplainable to ancient""///
Since you fear that you can not defend your position with the evidence for gods I will guess that you are of a monotheistic religious belief. I will offer evidence of the unaware nature of the people of this ancient time when Gods were created.
Genesis 30:37-39 Jacob displays his and (Gods) knowledge of biology by having goats copulate while looking at streaked rods. The result is streaked baby goats.
If you would like I could go into all of the problems factually impossible with the Noah's Ark story, The people who wrote these ancient religious texts didn't know what caused wind, lightning, or thunder. They just said that their God was unhappy with them. It is not a genetic fallacy it's a fact that is noted over and over in the ancient texts.
Which argument have I failed to address?? I am more than happy to discuss any argument that you have for the existence of God. So far you haven't offered anything to refute. If you are talking about the original debate comment the answer would be evidence according to us the people who are asked to believe in imaginary beings. You are a shining example of people who claim God exists yet can offer NO evidence that would lead a normal thinking individual to believe that these Gods exist. It's only through years of brainwashing that begins at childhood which causes people to believe in Gods
In case you are confused about why atheism is on the rise and religion is fading away, religion offers nothing to those with intellect and reason. There is just meaningless circular rhetoric as you have so eloquently pointed out in your responses.
And yet, as is obvious to everyone paying attention, they only person you've convinced is...Saintnow. Fucking Saintnow. Who has the logical and reasoning abilities of a lifelong meth addict.
and therein lies your problem. You are obviously used to debating high schoolers or girl scouts. But when you happen on a well-prepared theist, you get crushed like a BUG
See how you have nothing of evidence or intellect to add to the conversation? This is exactly what I am discussing and now you have resorted to the next step in religious debate the insults "You're just an idiot". Usually right after the insults come the Ban this helps to insure that the person making you look intellectually inferior can no longer respond as you try to claim victory. It is a very common strategy for people with no answers.
SaintNoClue is infamous for not letting the facts interfere with his opinions. I have challenged him for example several times to provide me with specific items of doctrine of my church (Unity) which are "satanic" as he calls us. Yet he cannot or will not do so. And he writes me off as Evil and a Satanist only because my Theology is more progressive and less Fundamentalist than his.
He will insult a post of mine on his debate and then ban me before I can reply. I ask: Is this the christian way? My Church places Tolerance and Acceptance at the forefront of our Doctrine. He obviously does not.
He does that to everyone who disagrees with him or pretty much everyone here. He is the only person that agrees with him. It's kind of pathetic. I have been banned from every debate where he is the moderator that I have commented in.
God gave you intelligence, but you talk stupid and can only blame yourself. God did not make you to be stupid, you just enjoy being stupid. The fact that you talk stupid is evidence that you fail to honor God with your intelligence.
By definition, God is the Absolutes of Absolutes. If God was not the Absolute of Absolutes, then something would be greater than God. Which means that that other something would be God. So God is the Absolutes of Absolutes.
This means that :
A) Everything is evidence of God.
or
B) Nothing is evidence of God.
B) Implies that everything is evidence of Nothing.
So it must be rejected because it leads to a contradiction
This leaves only A) So everything must be evidence of God.
You just proved the universe exists. By definition of absolute, the universe is the absolute of absolutes in the natural world. And, everything is evidence of the universe. Therefore, you proved nothing for God.
Ooh. I am going to have to write you up for your 5th loss. Sorry buddy. Tough break. If you come back with an answer I will reconsider the loss. When are you going to update your profile?
So you honestly think telling someone to "shut up" then insulting them is defending your stance?
This is the exact quote:
"Shut up kid. Arguments like this are for the logically and philosophical gifted. Not for wal-mart morons.".
Other examples of you "defending your stance":
"...............................................
...............................................
Shut up"
"""" didn't say there was no evidence for God."""///
I know, you said nothing"
"Do you see this guys ? I asked him to defend all his assumptions in the previous comments, and look at the crap he came up with.
""Before I can disprove something there must be evidence that there is something to disprove.""///
Once again, he failed to answer evidence for who ?
"" I contend then God is individual to you or your interpretation of a God one that you have learned through others normally using religious texts.""////
Context Imposition Fallacy
""" if all humans were aware of a single God and knew it's desires (one single religious belief system) that would be evidence for the existence of God."""////
Denying the antecedent Fallacy"
""""This dates back to prehistoric times when the world that humans lived in was mysterious and many natural occurrences were unexplainable to ancient""///
Genetic Fallacy."
I could go on.
The point is that you don't actually defend any of your stances, you just attack other people's stances. That's it. That's all you've ever done on this website. I even challenged you to a debate just to see if you could take a stance you would defend, and of course you didn't. I asked a few questions to coax you into making an actual stance to defend, and then you shut down the debate.
Seriously, what you are doing isn't debating. Debating requires two participants. You are just going around essentially attacking people.
I gotta admit I get a kick out of your simple logic.......I'll remember this one....
a...everything is evidence of God
or b...nothing is evidence of God
therefore everything is evidence of nothing which is a contradicton, so everything must be evidence of God. Even a Muslim understands that....sure would like to hear you preach the gospel of Jesus Christ some time.
I'm sure you can do a better job at that than I could. In the meantime, it's time someone showed atheists that they are idiots. It's not that they have an alternate worldview. Its that its a contradiction
If you're interested, look how I got Cartman to explain his beliefs and I kept asking him questions leading up to proving he was being self-contradictory....when he realized I was right at the end he went ballistic cussing and insulting.
Talk about weasel wording, The only absolute here is that man's definition of a god is of something that they have imagined as the most powerful, most intelligent force in the universe. There are no aspects of gods that are factual. So in the real world as you know it what is your God capable of?? I would argue that your God is weak and ineffective at anything in the real world. This is because only people believing in these imaginary Gods can accomplish any of God's work. I would be willing to commit 100% to the fact that there is no God that can do anything to me for stating that God's are nothing more than a figment of your imagination. Gods have no power to feed the starving people in Africa, Gods have no power to stop violent crime or war. When religious people get sick they go to the doctor because gods don't have the power to cure sickness. It is clear that you offer nothing as evidence that your god(s) exist. You haven't even been able to identify a god that you believe in, yet you mock those who have weighed the evidence to find that gods are only found in the imagination of the believer.
Again, you set up a straw man with flaws and argue against your straw man, avoiding acknowledging God is the creator of all things including knowledge, language, understanding, reason. God is not a force, He is a person, the Eternal One who created all things. This is God who you cannot argue against, so you set up straw man arguments against "a force" which is not God who created all things...or whatever other straw man you use.
God mocks atheists. They are fools, tragic comedy sums up all the good you can get out of them.
Also...the first time you answered, you said "being itself". NOW you say "being IN itself". Sooo...which is it and WHY DO YOU REFUSE TO GIVE AN ANSWER THAT MEANS ANYTHING?
You want people to believe you are a logician, but you can't even convince me you aren't retarded.
Go find out what being in itself means. And find out it means the same as being IN itself. Then come back when you are prepared. This is free. I don't tutor idiots.
Go find out what being in itself means. And find out it means the same as being IN itself.
Do...you even read what you post? You're retarded, plain and simple.
Then come back when you are prepared.
All you have to do is tell me what being IN oneself means. I'm an atheist, I don't wander around misusing words to explain concepts that can't be explained because they aren't real concepts. And if I did, I sure as shit wouldn't pat myself on the back for sounding like a stoned hippy.
Because you have no fucking idea what you're talking about? You may be right. But you have absolutely no right to gloat if you can't communicate your half-formed double-talk. Learn how to debate or STFU.
I was an angry atheist for years until God saved me. and I didnt even want to be saved, he pretty much bitch-slapped me in the face and forced me into his Embrace. It as that or death.
so--Hi! New guy here. My username is from a Christian Medal Band I used to be in back in Seattle. I live in Boise now. I thought this would be a good first-debate to enter into.
..........when I was an atheist I taunted Christians all the time about how they couldn't prove god. and you know what? they never could.
just like I can never prove he saved me. or that he answers my prayers all the time. I could tell you my stories, and give you my testimony for when I was saved, but that's it. No proof.
but look at this..........how can a loving father or a loving son prove he loves his father or son?
how can i prove a sunset is beautiful? how can i prove listening to classical music can float me away into another world?
I cant! but those things are still all true.
same deal with God. just because you atheists don't believe in him doesnt mean he isnt real. or that he doesn't love you.
i dont understand quantum mechanics! does that mean they don't exist, or work in our lives?
atheists with god are like me with quantum mechanics! he is working in their lives and in ALL things but they cant explain or see it!
i look forward to more debates like this on this forum. hope there's lots of atheist i can identify with and try to show how they are on a dead end path.
Hi Demon-Hunter, I'm an atheist but not at all angry. I just would like you to know that if you feel better inside due to your belief in God there is no down side to that. Not all atheist are against people with religion and I hope that you aren't thinking that is the most common outlook. You are right that there is now way to prove either side and if people are civil to each other it is a fun topic to debate. I look forward to discussions regarding religion with you.
You're a liar Bob. You've been spitting mad spouting off hatred against God. You put on a charade, and the mask cracks under pressure....just like Dickie Dawkins, changing into some kind of demon face full of vitriol cursing God and His Word. That hatred you try to deny has your whole heart darkened, and it comes out in spite of your denial of it's existence. You hate God, Bob. Why not just admit it?
Thanks. Not only do I feel better after being saved my life is more productive and happy. People like having me around now! I have atheist friends who say my change is so radical that it almost makes them believers in God.
How could an angry atheist convince anybody that their music is Christian? That would have to be some dumb people to believe an atheist's music is Christian.
You're an idiot. Have I told you that before? You're no more saved than the devil, your teaching and your music are from Hell, your experience of a burning curtain stopping you from killing yourself was nothing but a devil pretending to open a gate so you think you are on a living path when in reality those gates are the gates of Hell and you are parading yourself in to Hell with your head banging death metal like a moth flying into the fire.
I proved your church teaches communicating with the dead, from your own website after you strongly denied such teaching and practice in your church. Why did you deny it so strongly? You know it's evil and the Bible strictly forbids it, so you denied that your church teaches and practices this evil? Now that I have shown you from your own church website that this evil is taught and practiced, are you going to renounce your church as evil? Are you going to hold their hands and scream your stupid head banging music until your head explodes and you wake up in the fire of Hell?
You are a borderline psychopath, you are no more Christian than the devil, and your music is inspired by demons and not any more Christian than you, your church, or the devil. Go on with your evil and see how long you can remain outside of Hell you smarty pants little devil.
the fact is there is know evidence yes but god made it that way on purpose the goal of this life is to gain experience and learn faith and trust in god how we going to do that if we have absolute proof of his existence
Atheists ripped you a new asshole over and over again in every single debate. I guess it does make sense for someone with as many assholes as you have now to vote for Trump.
Here's where I destroyed Cartman by picking apart his beliefs until his head exploded.....http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/WhyAtheisticbrainsshortcircuitandexplode
And exactly what evidence do you have proving God. I have never clearly stated that I am against God, it's just that you Christians can even come up with ONE proof that God exists.
Look how Cartman's head exploded trying to defend his atheist beliefs.
I can pick your beliefs apart and show they are self-contradictory, that should be enough for you to know you are wrong but you wlll probably be the typical atheist and just insult Christians because in your heart you are angry at God for your existence and you think by killing Him you can get out of your misery.
FYI, Bahullallolly replaced Bhudda as the spokesman for the divine fake god, and you can learn about the new and improved existential atheisms in Bhai. Get with the program and modernize. Your missing out on the lastest incarnation of your divine atheist
Who the hell is Bahullallolly. And who is Bhudda. What is Bhai. If you're going to insult me because of my religion, you might as well make your argument valid by spelling things night.
If you think Buddhism is the same thing as Atheism then you are obviously mistaken, my friend. You shouldn't be arguing about religion when you think that Buddhism is an excuse and means the same thing as atheism.
I think you are behind the times.....Bhudda was replaced by Bahullalooly Bhai is the updated incarnation of the divine atheim of Hinduism......Bhudda spun out of the Hindu galaxy on his spark of dvine fat hiney, not Bahullalolly has replaced Bhudd with the latest incarnation of the divine atheist and the real Hinduism is now Bhai....get with the program, Bhudda is old news.......google Bhai and get your religion in line with modern reality of divine diving from nirvana in Bhai faith.
Do you even know any Buddhists? Even one? I doubt it. Some of the finest people I have ever known Ares Buddhists. Theirs is religion of peace and tolerance. And it's history is far far less bloody than Christianity.
And Buddhism is not the same as atheism. Since Buddhism is a Theist philosophy. And it's 8 fold path teaches kindness and morality. And doing good service and helping others. Where atheists are often none of these things, but sometimes are. So we see once more you speak out and criticize what you do not understand. Doesn't that get wearisome? I will pray for you tomorrow to have God open your heart and mind.
Bhudda was replaced by Bahullalooly Bhai is the updated incarnation of the divine atheim of Hinduism......Bhudda spun out of the Hindu galaxy on his spark of dvine fat hiney, not Bahullalolly has replaced Bhudd with the latest incarnation of the divine atheist and the real Hinduism is now Bhai....get with the program, Bhudda is old news
Buddhism is a twist on Hinduism started when a smooth talking fat boy claimed to be the current incarnation of divine leadership to update Hinduism. Bahoollalolloy has replaced Buddha with Bhai Faith.
You need to get edabucated, you demon driven Hell bound fool.
Wrong yet again. Siddhartha Gautama was not fat he lived on one grain of rice a day. He also did not claim divinity. He also left Hinduism because he felt the caste system unfair. The dalai lama embraces Christianity. What else do you want to know? Hey..reread my pm's to you. Be careful tomorrow when you drive.
I was deep into Hinduism, I liked being tied into the old ways......your religion is a form of Hinduism with much stronger pagan occult leanings, and at deeper (not higher, but lower moving closer to Hell) levels, if they think you are worthy, they will show you the real deal behind their façade of "UNITY", and that real deal is straight up Satanism. Hinduism just makes themselves divine in their imaginations........I was into occult and Hinduism both far more than anybody should be, to most people, and I'm can tell by the way this foil fool acts and talks, I would have been a teacher not far from being a master.....evil stuff, it's from Hell and if you don't wake up it will take you into the fire thinking you are being enlightened......you will light up like a torch that never burns out in Hell if you dont' repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
I think you confuize my church with the Unitarians?
Read this and tell me how you can possibly say my church is Satanic.
We have more love and tolerance than most denominations. We even have a national prayer center to help those in need. What is your church? I will compare ouir Creed with yours for love and Jesus like philosophy anytime!
Nope, no confusion, I am fully aware of the Unity Church, I could name names of ministers but I won't. I want nothing to do with them, it's evil from top to bottom.
There's a fairly large Unity church near my hometown, that is where I was well acquainted with a minister in that church, read his books and materials as he studied until he was ordained or whatever they call it when they make somebody a minister. I know their teachings better than you, it's occult, veiled Satanism.
They'll teach you a "spirituality" with practices which make you feel powerful by contacting spirits who in reality are demons, and those demons will make things happen to deceive you into thinking it's good stuff you are getting into. Most people will remain in the outer circles, more of a social club, because they are too concerned about morality. They will be the ones whose donations support the site building. People who show stronger manifestations of "powers" which are demonic, and are more eager to toy with powers than they are concerned about morality will be introduced to deeper and more secretive levels of witchcraft and Satanism. You are playing with fire and you will get burned. The only hope for you is that the burning is not the fire of Hell yet it gets hot enough to wake you up so you realize you are wrong about who Jesus Christ is.
See how Cartman's head exploded when being questioned to explain his atheistic beliefs.......proving his belief is self-contradictory, causing him to go ballistic when he knew he was wrong, resorting to nothing but insults at the end.....typical atheist, their whole argument amounts to nothing but an insult and all they are doing is trying to negate themselves when it's impossible......that's why they get mad and insult Christians, they want to negate their existence because they have no hope, and we know it is not possible to go out of existence so they get mad at Christians and do everything they can to insult Christians when the law does not allow them to torture Christians to death.
Atheists are self-contradictory, they think they are making themselves go out of existence, being negated. They are positive they are becoming negated, un-existing. It's nonsensical, requiring all kinds of impossible beliefs to explain their existence.....and then they insult Christians because they hate being told that they cannot escape existence. At their core, they are angry at God for bringing them into existence and they become masters of deception convincing themselves to hope in negation of their existence in death.
The Bible puts it simply as God saying "All them that hate me love death".
Atheists love death. They "have come to terms with ceasing to exist" they hope to end all of their misery and get out of existence in death. While they enjoy whatever feels good, they appreciate their hope in ending all things that bother or hurt them or their feelings. And again, they hate Christians or anybody who believes God is a person who cares about them because they are angry at the evil in the world and they think death is the way out of it. Silly atheists, what will they do when they find they can't stop existing?
Your church disparages itself, I know more about it than you do.
I knew a minister, read his study book and materials,. He was in with a group of ministers in UNITY. They'll never invite him into the deeper levels because he whined too much about corruption in the higher ministers, lots of money bouncing around in there....
People near me were deep in Satanism and know how groups like your church are used to draw people in where they can be observed to see if they are candidates for deeper levels of Satanism. I know people personally who came out of witchcraft groups just a step or two lower than the most outright Satanists, and they are born-again Bible believing Gospel of God in the Resurrected Savior Jesus Christ , Hell fire and brimstone punishment from God against sin believers like me, real Christians who you would hate the same as you hate me.
I don't need to look at your UNITY link.......it will take you at least a year of studying to catch up with me in that garbage, I studied it just trying to understand what my friend was getting into, never forgetting that Jesus is God, He is alive and risen bodily from the dead, paid for my sins with His own blood which covers me.
UNITY is very occultish, thinly veiled Satanism, initiation into withcraft, "spiritism", "spiritualist", whatever you wanna call it it's evil and that's why you hate the Bible, hate Jesus Christ, and fight tooth and nail against me when I preach Hell fire and brimstone punishment of God against sin.
instead of just casting blanket and vague accusations if Satanic and cultish practices of My Church, how about this: you give me ONE specific doctrine of ours that you claim to be Satanic. One! Be specific, you never are! and allow me to retort and explain it to you.
for once be a man and provide specifities, Not groundless vague criticism. I will be patiently awaiting your sincere offering. God Bless.
Unity has abandoned the popular image that God is an elderly, superhuman male with a white flowing beard who lives in a remote place "up there". We do not believe that God is fickle, answering some prayers and ignoring others. We do not look upon God as a deity to be feared. One fundamental attribute of God is that God is good. We are created to be "healthy, happy, prosperous, loved and loving, courageous and strong". If we fall short of these goals, it is because we have separated our mind from God, and allowed negative thoughts to intrude. God is within each one of us; and is directly accessible. We need only to quietly turn within ourselves to contact God.
Unity follows a form of pantheism [better yet, panENtheism... WM]. God exists in all things. God is present throughout creation: in humans, plants, animals, the earth itself, etc. [And, all things are present in God, hence panENtheism... WM]
Jesus Christ:
Unity rejects the traditional Christian view that Jesus is a deity to be worshipped; we point out that at no time did Jesus tell his disciples to worship him. Rather, we look upon Jesus as a great healer, miracle worker, and mystic who had a direct access to God. We believe that his actions can be emulated by believers today. One's life is to be dominated by love, and compassion, even toward one's enemies.
Genesis story allegory
Unity rejects the concept of original sin, (the belief that because of Adam and Eve's actions in the Garden of Eden, we are all conceived in iniquity and born in sin). We look upon the Genesis story as an allegory; a very human attempt to explain our beginnings. We emphasize that humans are created in the image and likeness of God, and are thus not intrinsically evil or sinful.
Heaven:
Rather than looking upon heaven as a place "up there" to be experienced as a reward after death, Unity conceives of heaven as expressed by Jesus: "The kingdom of heaven is at hand", and "The kingdom of God is in the midst of (within) you". Charles Fillmore definedit as "a state of consciousness in which the soul and the body are in harmony with Divine Mind". One does not have to wait until death. Heaven can thus be enjoyed at any time through prayer. Through proper technique, attitude and receptivity one can elevate one's personal consciousness to a heavenly state.
Hell:
The Unity Church does not conceive hell to be a place of eternal torment in which people are eternally punished with fire because of their beliefs and/or actions during life. It is not a place to go to after death. Rather it is a state of consciousness to be suffered here on earth. Charles Fillmore wrote: "One does not have to die in order to go to hell, any more than one has to die to get to heaven. Both are states of mind and conditions, which people experience as a direct outworking of their thoughts, beliefs, words, and acts. If one's mental processes are out of harmony with the law of man's [sic] being, they result in trouble and sorrow; mental as well as bodily anguish overtakes one, and this is hell".
Satan:
Many Christians look upon Satan as a quasi-deity; an all evil presence who is the opposite of the goodness of God. Satan and God are often portrayed as fighting over individuals' souls. This dual divinity has obvious links to Zoroastrianism which was incorporated into ancient Jewish legends which, in turn, were later codified as parts of the book of Genesis. Other aspects of Satan were derived from ancient Greek and Babylonian beliefs.
Unity interprets Satan's temptation of Jesus symbolically. Satan did not tempt Jesus to turn stones into bread; it was the "voice of human hunger"; the temptation to throw himself off the highest part of the temple was "the voice of human desire for recognition"; the temptation to becomea ruler was "the voice of worldliness".
Thus Satan is not a physical entity; but is one's lower nature: selfishness, greed, the desire to turn away from God. Satan can be resisted by systematically striving towards one's higher nature.
Sin:
Traditionally, sin has been defined as falling short of perfection. Unity uses an alternate definition: "living under a false sense of separation from God". We view this as a delusion because God is in reality continuously present within us. This false belief can be overcome through prayer.
One of the most prominent beliefs concerning mankind is that we were "conceived in iniquity and born in sin". We have accepted this thinking of ourselves as incurable sinners, so much accepted it that it is a difficult exercise to entertain an alternative to this idea.
We have accepted, even concluded, that we are indelibly tainted with the original sin of Adam and Eve. But if we take the time to explore the Bible in depth, we will realize that the story of Adam and Eve is allegorical. It was composed after much of the rest of the Old Testament was recorded, designed to give a beginning to the story of human beings. We cannot deny that the story of creation is beautifully written, but we would do well to remind ourselves that it is man's endeavor to write of his beginnings.
Many of us have been bombarded since childhood with the teaching that we are miserable sinners, resulting from the "fall of Adam", and the implication has been that an entire lifetime would not be sufficient time to eradicate the taint of our sinfulness.
Life After Death:
Unity defines heaven and hell as conditions in the here and now. They are not places where people go to spend eternity. Rather, many in Unity believe in a form of reincarnation. After death the soul is believed to leave the body, and to live again in another human body. This is/was a common belief among: present day Eastern religions the early Christian Church prior to the Council of Constantinople in 533 CE the Essenes, one of the three Jewish sects while Jesus was alive.
Unity cites references from the Christian Scriptures which show that the concept of reincarnation was common during Jesus' time. In the Gospels of Matthew and Mark , John the Baptist is referred to as the reincarnation of Elijah. In Matthew, some of the populace guessed that Jesus was a reincarnation of John the Baptist; others guessed Elijah; still others guessed Jeremiah or one of the other prophets. Jesus neither criticized the people for their beliefs, nor declared reincarnation to be heresy. Each lifetime is viewed as a time of preparation for the next life, leading towards eventual perfection.
Unity Practices:
Unity has no missionaries. We rely upon our teachings being spread by our readers and followers and by the literature itself.
"New centers and churches are normally started as study groups sponsored by an existing ministry or the expansion department of the Association of Unity Churches. Both the Association and Unity School of Christianity provide support materials and services to emerging ministries."
Prayer:
Real prayer does not involve begging God for a favour, or repeating standard prayers in a ritual setting. It an act of becoming spiritually one with God. If one applies Ralph Waldo Emerson's concept of prayer: the contemplation of the facts of life from the highest point of view, then prayer can be a constant personal activity. One can also use the "arms" of prayer by mentally embracing some other individual as the target of a prayer or the "wings" of prayer by directing one's prayer at all those who are receptive.
Worship:
It is not limited to Sunday church services. Worship can be pursued at any time and location when one feels adoration and devotion for God. Ideally, it can be experienced continually through the day.
Baptism:
Within Christendom, some faith groups follow the tradition started by John the Baptist; they totally immerse the body in water. Others regard baptism as symbolic; they simply sprinkle drops of water on the person. Most Unity practitioners do neither. We note that Jesus never made baptism a requirement for others during his ministry; and so, we do not have a formal baptism sacrament. Rather we encourage every believer to attain a Spiritual Baptism which is a deeply personal event, a cleansing "prayer experience with Spirit, an ultimate dialogue between an individual and God." The individual emerges purified, having experienced a religious conversion of great intensity.
Communion:
There has been much controversy over the meaning, details, and purpose of the rite of Holy Communion (the Lord's Supper) within Christian Churches. Most Unity ministers do not have a formal ritual. We recall the words of St. Paul "The Kingdom of God is not foodand drink but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit". Communion becomes a close encounter with God in private prayer, in which one becomes aware of the impact that God is making in all areas of one's life.
Unity is Satanic from top to bottom, beginning to end, you are driven and inspired personally be demons, your music is demonic, and you need to be saved from Hell. I have no interest in your "explanations" of the practices of your church, it's all about seeking power through evil means, thinly veiled witchcraft and Satanism....your music will fit right in there.
Unity Church is evil, and you prove it by threatening me. What are you going to do, burn my house down like you burnt the Church of Satan building down?
This looks like a pretty good assessment of atheism........
Atheist try to dominate the discussions by making stupid statements feigning ignorance in a way that from the start they say "you can't give me any answer, no answer is acceptable" and they fortify their minds with evasive and misleading tactics to avoid the reality that God is there.
Not only that. But they also try to bring science into the discussion, without realizing that they contradict themselves again. I created an argument just for that.
1) Science can only observe what is measurable, distinct, and quantifiable.
2) What is measurable, distinct, and quantifiable is finite by definition. If it were not finite, it wouldn’t be measurable, distinct, and quantifiable.
3) God is infinite by definition.
4) So the claim of “”no evidence for God” based on any scientific framework is based on either a complete ignorance of the definition of God, or a consciously created Straw Man.
5) Further, science cannot determine what is True, because science-- by definition-- must always be subject to change.
6) If it were not subject to change, then it wouldn't be science.
7) But if something is subject to change, then it can be true today but not tomorrow.
8) But if something is true today but not tomorrow, then, by definition, it was never true to begin with.
9) So any claims based on the assumed certainty of science, is by definition, based on a constant state of uncertainty.
Conclusion : Claiming there is no evidence of God basing yourself on science only reflects an ignorance of basic definitions, and a contradictory assumption of knowledge.
Excellent! Point 4 simplifies what I have said many times, and I will use your presented simplification in discussions......
Atheists argue against a straw man. I have no appreciation for clichés such as "straw man" "ad hominin" "circular reasoning", and generally avoid using them because they are tossed around like if you say "straw man" you have automatically proved your opponents argument is invalid. It kinda sickens me the way people are taught to use those clichés as a means of shutting down conversation, because once they throw in the cliché, the focus is placed on the cliché and the progress of the discussion is derailed. I do like this usage of "straw man" because it is exactly what I have pointed out when atheists make stupid statements like "Where did God come from", or "How many gods are there", or how do you know your God is the correct God", or "If God is omniscient and good but allows evil, He cannot be good because He created evil".....all of these kind of accusatory questions are directed at a straw man, and not God because in reality there is no wisdom, nor counsel, nor understanding against the LORD. They have to invent a God who is less than God. Saying God is not good because evil is in the world ignores the fact that God is Omnipotent and not limited by time and will deal with evil in His own timing, eventually purging it from all of His creation because He is good. The God atheists argue against is a god of their own imaginations who is a straw man, less than God.
When they declare science supports their beliefs, they have no science which can be seen applying to their beliefs so they have to twist scientific data by inserting beliefs as if their beliefs in themselves constitute scientific data.....so scientific data which contradicts their beliefs is set aside, ignored, labeled "anomaly". When beliefs are claimed to be scientific, the science is unscientific and not true science. True science is observation, and can be shown to every intelligent eye to be seen for exactly what it is, and if it is not understood then it can be observed further for better understanding of what it is and how it functions. No scientific discipline requires belief that there is no God, belief in evolution, or belief in the big bang. The only "sciences" which require those beliefs are not true science but rather a religion of naturalism which excluded scientific data that does not fit the religion.
I think atheists know they are contradicting themselves and in fact that is their goal....they hope to be negated so they get out of existence in death. Their whole argument is summed up as "I have come to terms with the end of my existence". They want to contradict themselves, that is why they are so tricky and misleading in their arguments.........the more you show they are contradicting themselves, the more they try to come up with different self-contradictory argument because they literally are trying to negate their own lives, literally hoping in death, believing their destiny is imposed suicide, so they try to make it self imposed in order to forgive themselves of anything they have ever done wrong or failed to do right.
Indeed. And notice the most amusing contradiction of all................ The time and energy they spend debating the non existence of something they don't believe in !
yeah......one said "God has no influence in the world", and I said, well he sure seems to influence a lot of your time as you spend hours arguing against him......of course that led to a few more paragraphs of insults and stupid cliché's like "I don't believe in any god". They act like they don't know who they are talking about when they say God is not there, but they know exactly who they are talking about and avoid admitting it by inventing straw man gods.
Check out these two videos, I think you'll like and appreciate them....the first one I used to get Cartman to talk about his beliefs until he proved his head explodes and he went ballistic insulting and cussing me when he knew his argument is silly and self-contradictory....he was actually trying to prove his beliefs to be consistent and by his own words he was forced to admit it's all self contradictory.......then he really blew up insulting and cussing me stronger than ever....a weak mind trying to express itself forcefully...
Pretty neat, eh? showing how it's dumb to say God is not there, the comparisons being that if you read a bad book, saying the alphabet is wrong because the book is bad.....stuff like that, I'll have to watch it again to get those analogies down better.
It focuses on the primary tactic of atheists which is to insult and bully people, then it takes the lead in the discussions forcing atheists to admit how dumb it is to say God is not there when they cannot possibly know that.........also pointing out that atheists were hurt or offended and then put up a wall in their minds so they are completely closed minded......then their heads will explode if you make them think about what they believe. That's why they do everything they can to focus on brainless comments like "I have no God-belief"
Um, you described your brand of religion. This is exactly how you behave in your debates. You ask for explanations, then you reject everything presented to you for no reason, then you ban people do they can't actually give an
The implications of being wrong about the existence of unicorns will be very different from the implications of being wrong about the existence of God. So they should be careful with that stupid analogy
You just admitted that you only believe in God because of your emotions. Pascal's wager is really all you have to offer. No wonder you can't defeat atheists.
Let me refer you to my debate where I argued that Pascal's Wager is ALWAYS a losing bet and NOBODY continued arguing against me, they gave up because I was agreeing with them. I don't wager on anything, you are the one who is gambling against God hoping your big mouth makes Him void so that your head can explode in death and not burn in Hell.
I think I like this line a lot, the whole atheistic argument is a straw man argument, they are not arguing against God, they start by saying there is no God to argue against and then invent straw-man gods who are not God and they can easily argue against things that are not real. They always have to deny at least one of four attributes of God. He is eternal, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent. Whenever they argue against God, they put up a straw man version of God that is leaves out at least one of the four attributes of God, so the thing they are arguing against is something that nobody can know anything about because it is impossible for something less than God to be God...........and they feel like it works for them because if they can convince themselves to believe there is no God, then they can believe they get out of personal responsibility in death. They are demanding proof of Hell when they only allow for one way to get that proof, by finding themselves unable to get out of the fire.....dumb.
"you can't give me any answer, no answer is acceptable"
Um, you described your brand of religion. This is exactly how you behave in your debates. You ask for explanations, then you reject everything presented to you for no reason, then you ban people do they can't actually give an answer.
But an atheist could take your post here and switch the word "atheists" for "Fundamentalist Christians" and it would be just as arguable and accurate. Prove me wrong.
Nobody here tries to dominate and makes stupid statements as much as you. Nor do they make groundless and biased aspersions on a man's Church as you do mine. Not even atheists. Tell me I'm wrong.
I just finished praying for you, btw. For the Lord to open your eyes and soften your heart, which has grown ill and corroded from closed-minded fundamentalist rhetoric.
God Bless.
Ephesians 4:2-3 “with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.”
Unity has abandoned the popular image that God is an elderly, superhuman male with a white flowing beard who lives in a remote place "up there". We do not believe that God is fickle, answering some prayers and ignoring others. We do not look upon God as a deity to be feared. One fundamental attribute of God is that God is good. We are created to be "healthy, happy, prosperous, loved and loving, courageous and strong". If we fall short of these goals, it is because we have separated our mind from God, and allowed negative thoughts to intrude. God is within each one of us; and is directly accessible. We need only to quietly turn within ourselves to contact God.
Your sins have separated you from God, quietly turning within yourself is only trying to hide in the dark, and you will think you are being "enlightened" to believe the lie that you can be good.
Your group is not a church, it's a cult, and occult group. You insult the whole faith of Christianity, you insult God, you insult millions when you call yourself a Christian and insist Jesus is not risen from the dead and the Bible is lies. Wouldn't surprise me if you don't know more about your group than you are letting on, you might be in deeper than your are telling already.....but you can be sure the real Satan worshippers are watching you to see if you look like a candidate for the real deal of your church.
again...you offer no specifics of ONE of my church's doctrines that is cult like or Satanic. You fail again. You only cast blanket accusations. Like I could say to you "You are Evil." that is the same thing.
please read my opinion of what I think of the historical JC on the debate about historians doubting his existence. I would like your opinion of it. I don't know why I ask, i know what you will say, but what the hell. this is the diff between you and me, I welcome diverse opinions! I just like to hear reasons for them. And be allowed to retort and not just ban. Again, like you.
He did in fact exist and conducted a brief ministry in Roman occupied Palestine from roughly the years AD 29-32. He was crucified by Roman authorities under the command of Pontius Pilate for political insurrection and rabble rousing.
He had a cult-like following of Jewish peoples, who were a splinter sect from the traditional Judeans. They were also enemies of the Pharisees and the Sanhedrin.
Jesus probably did perform some spiritual healing, and he won many converts. His message was bascially that the Kingdom of Heaven is indeed upon us, but it can be attained from within out own minds and hearts. He probably claimed to be a Son of God but at the same time was telling us that we too can be sons and daughters of God.
this is what he meant by The Kingdom of Heaven is Within.
He was not divine, nor certainly was he not God. But he was very in touch with our Creator's Will and Mindful Force, which can be tapped into by is today if we accept Him.
Jesus' Resurrection was not a physical one but rather a Spiritual one. After his death His disciples had spiritual awakenings as to what His Message was.
Jesus was more of what we now would call "new age" than most people think. He likely believed in Reincarnation and maybe studied with the Eastern Mystics or the Essenes during his so called "lost years" from between his ages of 14 and 30, when the Bible says nothing at all about him.
The whole "Jesus is God" dogma was invented by his followers in the years after his death, and JC's attributes steadily increased as Christian persecution did. This is why in the Book of John, the last Gospel written, Jesus is all of a sudden "God" and the alpha and omega." the farther we get from his death in the gospels, the more his Divine qualities seem to grow. this is why Paul--whose letters preceded the Gospels--say noting about Him being God. Nor does Mark, the first written Gospel.
He DID exist. He was a wonderful Holy Man and Philosopher. Our lives can be greatly enriched from his teachings.
But he was NOT God.
There is one God...our Creator God. Who was Jesus' Father and is ours too.
You are not a Christian, Unity Church is a screening organization for Satanism. It's evil, doctrines of demons from Hell and they intend on seeing you destroyed in the fire of Hell where the worm never dies and the fire is never quenched
Pontius Pilate found no fault in Jesus, He was innocent, there was no political insurrection. The Jewish religious leaders hated Him because He challenged their leadership, pointed out and named their sins loudly and publicly. They pressured Pilate into allowing Jesus to be crucified by threatening to go over Pilates head to say Jesus was claiming to be King of the Jews which would have been portrayed as a challenge to Cescear's rule. The Jewish religious leaders were the rabble rouses and Pilate caved in to to them.
If you really believe the garbage you are teaching, you are dumb. If you teach it to others and end up in Hell, you will have extra punishments in Hell for leading others into your destruction.
Keep going with that Unity demon driven stuff, maybe after you get put through the ringer of demonic attacks you will realize you are thickening yourself in evil, then maybe you will come to your senses and renounce all UNITY and your demonic pursuits and believe God Himself shed His blood for you to save you from Hell and rose from the dead offering forgiveness to all who believe on Him.
again..you offer no specifics of why my church is Satanic.
your hopeless.
also, Pilate did not wash his hands of Jesus. this is all anti-Semitic myth. to make it look like the Jews were responsible for killing Jesus. who WAS a Jew, btw. Pilate was notorious for harsh dealings with accused Jewish rabble rousers. Like Jesus was. also..the bit about him offering to free ONE condemned man for Passover is a LIE. More anti-semitic propaganda. Roman records and letter show there was NO record of Pilate EVER doing this. why would he? he wieldeds total power and had no need to pacify the rabble.
Go on in your satanic church and see where it gets you...........see what it's light really is. Do it, you love it, so go on and do it. God gives you the freedom to be an idiot.
The "God" of the Unity church is Satan. You are not saved, you are dying in your sin and on your way to Hell. You are being deceived and used by demons. Figure it out for yourself.
Actually, Unity Church denies that Satan even exists! Much less do we worship him. We deny him ever existing, which is more than the mainstream churches do, since they acknowledge him! And even admit he has great power! Wheras we do not!
Ha!!
I just proved you wrong about us being Satanic! Or worshipping satan!
Now all you need to do is admit it. Acknowledge that we love even someone as intolerant and unloving as you, and then move on. Leave my church alone!
You replace Satan with yourself, thinking you have divine potential, the exact aspiration of Satan and the reason God cast him down. You are trying to ascend to where Satan was trying to ascend, and you can't even get off the ground.
Unity Church is a cult with teaches doctrines of demons from Hell. As long as you claim to be a Christian, I'm going to point out that you are not a Christian and are in a cult.
a warning is a threat, and since you cannot ban me here, I wonder what you are threatening? Are you going to try some more magic on me? I'm feeling the love, you devil driven cult member.
I do not practice religion, I believe in reality. You are dying in reality and need to be saved or you will be dying in the fire of Hell forever. God loves you and wants you to be saved. You cannot save yourself, you cannot justify your own life. This is reality. Your religion can't get you out of dying. Your sin has separated you from God, you are in your sin, on death row, dying. You are a dead man walking and a big mouth dead man talking.
You've seen my photo. I'm beautiful. I was provided with the linguistic tools to "talk like a devil" by The Most High God. Should I not use the gifts I was given?
The devil sends sinners to Unity Church cult so they can be fooled into thinking they are good and do not deserve to burn in Hell. Then the devil gets the Unity Church cult members to say they are Christian while they deny that Jesus Christ is God, and they deny that He conquered death by His bodily resurrection. Every basic doctrine of Christianity is denied by Unity Church, but somehow they call themselves "Christian". It's nothing but Americanized Hinduism mixed with occult and anything they say pretending to be Christian is said as words that make Unity Church a church of lies.
IF YOUNITY CHURCH HAD A STITCH OF HONSTEST, THEY WOULD ADMIT THAT THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIAN BUT IN REALITY THEY ARE A MIX OF HINDUISM AND OCCULT.
Jesus certainly was guilty of political insurrection. are you familiar with what went on in the Temple that the money changers took over? it was where Hebrew money was exhcnagned for Roman currency, and the Romans of course got a huge profit on this. so Jesus was basically telling His people they need not pay taxes anymore.
there is no record of Pilate EVER going soft on Jewish criminals. Never in his writings, letters, or records from other Roman prefects and governors who corresponded with him or wrote about him. in fact Pilate was known for being very harsh on Jewish rabble rousers. there is also NO record or him or ANY othe Roman governor offering the Passover criminal exchange program, as set forth in the tale of Barabbas going free instead of Jesus. why would Pilate even do this? he ruled with an iron fist and felt no need to throw a bone to the Jews. that story is surely built in anti-Semitism.
Unity's dogma and doctrine is NOT demon driven. officially our Church does not even believe in Demon, or Satan! I however do, having had first hand experience, so this is one point of doctrine I admit I disagree with my Church on.
I have already been saved from Hell; God did it when He gave me the Torn Curtain Vision. This showed me that God was telling my I had NO MORE barriers to entering the Holy of Holies.
this is an excellent book, though I know you will not read it I truly wish you would. and I guarantee if you did you would admit to me you enjoyed it and learned some things about the political climate in 1st century Palestine.
I do not say the Bible is a book of lies. Its just that I am not a literalist! I think some of the stories were written to be allegorical and symbolic. Myths that convey larger truths than mere words and linear and true blow by blow accounts.
the bible is an abstract and beautiful and thought provoking abstract painting! NOT a clear and perfect photograph!
I love the bible and read it daily. I love God. I love the teachings of Jesus. My church bases a good deal of their teachings and doctrine on Jesus.
I abhor Satan. He tried to get his clutches in me when I was an atheist sinner in a Death Metal band before I was Saved. this is why God gave me such a powerful Salvation Vision with the Temple Curtain!! He knew he had to intervene quickly so I would come to Him and not fall to Satan.
Part of the reason I am devoting my life to God and the Ministry is to stave off Satan and his minions who still pursue me. I also want to give others the benefit of my experience on how to escape the Clutches of the Dark Master.
There is nothing Satanic about Unity Church. And again I challenge you to provide me with one aspect of our doctrine which is.
That curtain vision was a vision of the gates of Hell opening for you, and you feel like you have power driving you to live when all it's doing it pulling you in to Hell.
You would be burning in Hell now if you had blown your brains out, but those demons who are filling your world and music have plans to use you in deceiving others, they want you to lead a big parade of people through the gates of Hell, so they gave you a "vision" which you feel empowered by so that you can lead others the same way you are going.......headlong into the fire of Hell. You need to wake up before it's too late, those demons are liars, Jesus is God and He is risen from the dead, He gave His sinless blood to pay your price and you are trampling His blood under your feet and spitting in His face, rejecting Him in His resurrection instead of receiving Him as your God, and He is going to reject you if you will not repent of your sin and believe on Him in His resurrection and receive Him for real as your Savior. You're looking to Satan as your savior, and Satan gave you a vision of the gates of Hell for you to enter eternal damnation. God did not save you, or you would not be dying and looking at the gates of Hell in a burning curtain vision......you are like a moth flying into the fire........
You are not a literalist but somehow you think your torn curtain vision literally shows you are allowed to march right in to the presence of God? Yes, you are not a literalist, you are a "make it up as I go along-alist"
Atheists have learned to dominate the discussion by taking the bully pulpits of public schools. They took over those pedestals through cultural indoctrinations via entertainment, inserting messages ultimately designed to support fascist control over the world. Christians had the freedom to keep the lead in the conversations, but are losing their freedom after conceding the lead of the discussions.....a big turning point being the Scoped Monkey Trial after which Christians in disgust pretty much withdrew from publicly engaging in defense of their faith. Television, movies, music, all entertainments are now so dominated by wickedness and promotion of sin's pleasures that it's getting to the point where they are going to be knocking on Christians doors with legally supported orders for conforming to behaviors which true Christians will not be able to allow in their properties and it's going to be legal battles if not physical battles...coming to a town near you. The forcing of mom and pop bakeries and florists to pay huge fines, go out of business, or be punished with huge sets of requirements and "re-education" is only the beginning, little test runs of the oppression that is coming for Christians.
Did it ever occur to you that if facts being presented means your beliefs are being bullied that your beliefs might just be wrong. That's what we do in school. Present facts.
Um, you described your brand of religion. This is exactly how you behave in your debates. You ask for explanations, then you reject everything presented to you for no reason, then you ban people do they can't actually give an
Did it ever occur to you that if facts being presented means your beliefs are being bullied that your beliefs might just be wrong. That's what we do in school. Present facts.
I know your arguments are published, that's where you stole them from. They are clearly not written by you since any time you are challenged you can't defend your argument. If it was actually yours you would understand it so much better.
shouldn't have to be demonstrated, it's obvious. I am not my body, my body is not me. I am in my body, tied to it. I use my body, my body does not use me. It is my vehicle, my car, my carcass......but I'd like to see your comments on it anyways.....
I would claim that you are wrong I have been around people with brain injuries and mental retardation. I see people die about every week of my life. I know that you have not discovered anything supernatural (a consciousness that lives independently from the human body).
Atheists. Do not assume. Remember that just because you can write down a question does not make it a good question , or worth answering.
A stupid question can occupy the same space as a good one, and can take the same amount of time to type. So before posting it , you must ask yourself : "" Am I about to ask a stupid question ? ""
Remember, you cannot use matter to determine what is Thought. But you can only Thought to determine what is matter. So if you still had doubts about which came first--- Matter or Thought-- that should give you a hint
Certainty on issues like this all too often indicates insecurity, on both sides of the spectrum. Open yourself up to fallibility. You'll live a happier life.
This is evidence of what I'm talking about. Seeing as how I made the previous comment in response to the debate topic, and the debate topic does not itself have an argument (It's a question, after all), there is nothing for me to refute or concede to.
But even though your response made absolutely no sense, you were so certain that you had to be right that you decided to come across...well, let's say "less than dignified", shall we?
Seriously. Recognize your own fallibility. You'll be a happier and less belligerent person for it.
You're a jerk. You whine about not being spoken to nicely and then you compose this kind of jibberish mumbo jumbo trying to make our insults with fake intelligence. You're like Grenache.
"""Its not that theres no evidence, its that the evidence that has been provided is either sparse, flawed, or unconvincing for a number of reasons. There is insufficient evidence corresponding to the magnitude of the claim that god exists. A claim as large as "A god exists" requires tons of evidence that all cross confirms that to be true. But the evidence that has been amassed by theologians over the years is sparse, flawed, and even contradictory at times.
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Look at this crap. Look at all the positive claims this bozo AveSatans made. Now, some theists will proceed to try to argue further. But this is not how it works.
He must justify those claims, otherwise he concedes.
I know you like to declare things, but believe it or not, you don't actually have any power here.
So, she doesn't have to do anything of the sort. Her comment is inherently subjective, so telling her to justify her beliefs that there currently isn't sufficient evidence for her to believe really doesn't make any logical sense, as she literally just did so. Unless you want her to go do every piece of "evidence" (a subjective idea in this context) and explain why she thinks it isn't sufficient, which is itself silly.
You asked "When an atheist says there is no evidence of God, that means evidence according to who?"
Her response was her.
Your response to that was to behave in an uncivilized manner. It doesn't exactly do wonders for your "cause", whatever it may be.
The arguments against God are not civilized....not here anyways. I have yet to see one person argue against God in a civil manner, and I think it's time for Christians to point out the evil of ungodly people and quit trying to be nice in doing it........holding back punches is apathetic
""""So, she doesn't have to do anything of the sort. Her comment is inherently subjective, so telling her to justify her beliefs that there currently isn't sufficient evidence for her to believe really doesn't make any logical sense, as she literally just did so. """///
Note to other theists : You see that ?
If the atheist does not agree with your claim, he or she doesn't simply get reject it or pretend you did not demonstrate your's. .
They must justify their rejection. And they can justify that rejection logically, or they cannot.
And when they cannot, this is what happens. They concede.
I don't care about her opinion. Opinions do not count here, kid
If the atheist does not agree with your claim, he or she doesn't simply get reject it or pretend you did not demonstrate your's. .
I'm not an atheist, so please to misatributing my quotes.
They must justify their rejection. And they can justify that rejection logically, or they cannot.
Yes, and they do all the time. They simply don't believe the evidence is sufficient. That's it. That's all the justification they need. They then ask you why you believe the evidence is sufficient, and you insult them.
And when they cannot, this is what happens. They concede.
If you have to try to tell other people I have conceded, then you must be quite desperate for a "win".
I don't care about her opinion. Opinions do not count here, kid
So you came to a debate website, but you will insult people if they give their opinions when you ask for them.
Fuck off, or I'll call you out for a one on one. And you don't want that
Actually I do want that. Believe it or not, I come to this debate website to debate. Hopefully it would be more productive than last time, but if not, at least it will be amusing.
You are a strange one. You create a debate while someone is offline, then within the hour pester them twice about it (while they are still offline), then declare (to who knows what group) that they refused the debate...all while they are offline.
I'm going to toss this out here and hope it makes sense.
For me anyways, religion is a personal experience. In no way, shape, or form can you beat someone over the head with a book or harass them about your religion to force them into believing in something they don't want to.
When an atheist says there is no evidence then they mean there is no evidence for them. And that's honestly good enough. To each their own. Them not believing in what you believe has little to no effect on your belief system, and if it did then you have a very shaky system to begin with.
There really isn't any hard evidence to a God any way you look at it, nor is there evidence that any God/Gods don't exist. Yes, evolution happened, it's real. Yes the Earth is MUCH older then some religious texts say. No, we don't know how the Big Bang occurred. We simply weren't there and any theory is just a theory.
We will only really know if a God exists when we die, until then we need to live as best we can.
There is no evidence according to ANY secular sources, that's who.
Actually, there is no evidence whatsoever. Even from your religious types. Oh, you may claim that the bible is the Word of god, but it is surely not and you cannot come remotely close to proving it is.
Although we have pretty much shown how it is mere Hebrew Mythos. Cobbled together over a dozen centuries by many different authors. Most of then Bronze Age itinerant tribal peoples who simply felt the need to invent a sky god to compete with Baal.
As far as physical or scientific evidence for god there is also of course none. As far as evidence for Evolution, we have mountains of it. Museums filled with transitional fossils. Hundreds of different types of radio-metric dating that show the Earth to be billions of years old. DNA evidence for Evolution.
We have proved that the notion of most of the biblical miracles is absurd, and they are scientifically impossible. All the creatures of the world thrown together on one big wooden boat? A sky god who stops the sun from moving (?) in order to give his people more time to slaughter their foes?
Please. This shit just insults my intelligence. I feel my IQ dropping even form typing it.
There is no evidence of a god? Anywhere. Show me one. In fact, explain to me why the world right now is not exactly as it would be if it were governed by purely physical laws of nature. Show me one thing i the world that exists, that is tangible, that science cannot explain, and which only your alleged sky god could have made.
Explain to me how your god cares about you or even knows you exist, and prove to me how he CANNOT be just a product of your imagination and superstitious mind. Show me ONE thing---just ONE--that exists in the world right now that shows there is a god.
Show me one reason why we are not simply one breed of animals on one planet in one out of billions of galaxies in the known Universe. A Universe that quite possibly is teeming with life.
Talk about weasel wording! It is people like you. You weasel word like saying: "prove there is no god." That is ALL you have!!
To that I answer this: Prove to me I do not have an invisible fire breathing dragon in my garage.
You weasel word by claiming, "Evolution is only a theory."
I answer by explaining to you that in science a theory is NOT the same as the word is used in everyday speech. Rather it is MORE than a fact. It is a collection of facts that have been proven again ans again over time.
Evolution has passed every single test ever thrown at it with flying colors. There is hardly a credible professional biologist or anthropologist alive who does not believe in it.
While it is very difficult to find anybody with an education in those matters who believes in your Genesis account of Creation. Why do you think this is?
Again...I will be waiting for you to supply me with the ONE visible example in the world today that shows your sky god exists. And do not weasel word with your lame, "But we are all examples!"
No. That won't do it. Science can explain and does how animals breed and evolve and live. No sky god is needed in the equation.
There. Is that un-weasel worded enough for you, amigo?
You say there's no evidence that the universe was created. What's your standard of comparison ?
I mean, how many universes have you studied that were indeed created, in order to conclude that this one was not ? Otherwise your claim is meaningless.
