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I still want to know from you atheists...
What experiments you have done that you observed something coming from nothing, information coming from a blank slate, life coming from non-life, humanity coming from non-humanity, mind coming from mindlessness? Until you can, shut up, with your anti-science, mystical claims.
I am an atheist. I do not believe in god. But, I believe that if there is a god, that he is accepting of all of his children’s beliefs and ideas, even if they don’t believe in him. As of right now, science hasn’t failed to surprise us with new laws, animals, and reactions. I believe that both god and sience can coexist.
You believe that god and science can coexist? Well then, don't you have to provide a scientific definition of whatever it is you are referring to as "god". What is it? Is it the final frontier of your self-enlightening mind? How do you know that when the veil of your flesh is lifted, the thing you call "god" was not actually the fire of Hell in disguise?
Keep on believing that your righteousness is equal to God, and death exonerates you to be free of punishment for your sins, and you will wake up in Hell with your foolish atheism.
This is a problem that will never end. Aethiests are stubborn and (most of them) don’t even give many religions a fair fighting chance. Christians on the other hand, realize that sooner or later, that belief system will win them a free trip to Hell. Which, may I say, isn’t an ideal vacation spot. They want to help you. However, While in many instances your argument is completely insensitive, there are a few cases in which Christians can become to stubborn or pushy about there faith and possibly overwhelm or scare people away. Christians are trying to help people, and your argument seemingly tries to state that Christianity is wrong because we try and convert people (which of course is really granting them an eternity with God).
Fine. Keep on believing you are exonerated in death and free from punishment for your sins and see for yourself if you don't wake up in the fire of Hell.
If you feel intoxicated by my statement, you better go see a doctor and maybe they can help you feel better about your dying.
Fine. Keep on believing you are exonerated in death and free from punishment for your sins and see for yourself if you don't wake up in the fire of Hell.
This is going to be a bitter pill to swallow but it is the gospel truth.
Nobody has produced a sliver of evidence in thousands of years that the things you are talking about exist, have ever existed, or are ever likely to exist. It is nothing short of shocking that you expect people to take you seriously about the "fires of hell" when you cannot prove to them that hell even exists, let alone that they are going to end up there.
If we look back through recorded history, we see a steady pattern of scientific enquiry debunking propositions and stories recorded in scripture. We even see how religions form and take root, as they have on many isolated islands conquered by white men who then subsequently went home and left behind only "sacred" artifacts.
Let me ask you this, Asylum, it is possible that all of reality is evidence of God, but something in you makes you unable to perceive, comprehend, understand and accept it?
Let me ask you this Q this way: There are people in this world who are deluded, which is to say unable to tell reality from fantasy. How do you know you are not one of them?
If you run in any way, I will erase your cowardly butt.
Moron, I know this hard for you to believe, but no one cares what imaginations your mentally ill brain comes up with. Just answer the OP. Man, these narcissistic fools love to vomit their nonsense even when no one asks.
Exactly! The godists don't know that, far from answering any questions about the origins if the universe and the scientifically proved big bang, the notion of a supernatural and very unproven god actually only adds more questions to the entire subject. Like who created their god? Why is he eternally unseen? Why does he now have zero control over somsthing he allegedly created? Why are the most god fearing folks the least educated? Why are the most religious States the poorest? As well as the most religious countries? Why are the most atheist states the most prosperous?
LOL..see? Their world is all ass backwards if there is a God! So why worship such an impotent And absentee and capricious deity?
If you are implying that God had to come from something, or from nothing, the thing you are calling God is not God who created all things. God who created all things was there before anything was created. I really think atheists understand that God is there forever before anything was there, or there is no God. Atheists know that they cannot make a valid argument against God, so they redefine God as a thing which they can argue is not God and they argue successfully that their consciously created straw man is not God and of course it is not God because it is not God who created all things. And then the atheists pretend to be too stupid to understand the simplicity of recognizing God is the creator of all things.
All you are doing is trying to confuse yourself and fool other people into thinking you are cool doing it....just proving you are the fool and anybody who thinks you are smart in your foolishness is a fool like you.
All right then genius, if god created everything, why did he make galaxies so far apart and expanding at light speed. Why did he make trillions of galaxies, yet no way to communicate with those galaxies. Could it be your god is an idiot, and just crapped this universe out all half-assed, and is sitting around waiting for the universe to die while he works on his new pet project, getting a girlfriend.
What is this thing you are referring to as "god", genius? First answer that before you talk about the creation of all things. You have to provide a definition of "god" so I know what you are talking about.
This is the game atheists play....pretending they don't know what they are talking about, then applauding themselves for the stupid things they say. And you wonder why Psalm 14:1 so bluntly says you are a fool?
Thank you for that stupid question, which proves you are clearly mentally incapacitated...or just a complete fool which is a waste of time for me for me to try to get you to realize you are on your way to Hell and need to be saved by God the Savior, Jesus Christ.
Well, there is abiogenesis to account for "life from non-life". Also, you're calling to atheists as if you aren't one. You are very well an atheist to the 4000 religions you DON'T believe in, but choose to believe in the one you hold now for no reason other than you were brought up with the religion from childhood. Every major religion clashes with scientific fact, and throughout history there has been a shift from "we should take the bible LITERALLY, IT IS THE WORD OF GOD!" to "God SAYS this, but MEANT this". Rather pretentious to believe you can interpret the words of an almighty deity, in my opinion. That said, just because we can't explain everything yet, doesn't mean we should shove God into the cracks of mystery and call it a day. That's anti-science, and it's just plain ignorant.
Moron, take your ADD meds and focus. I am NOT interested in your worthless opinions. I am interested in science. Tell me the scientific experiments you have done or shut up.
I've done no scientific experiments over the origin of life. Are you saying to have any sort of opinion at all or to be informed over a subject, you must be an expert in the field? That's a pretty arrogant claim and an ignorant mistake on your opinion because you are probably not an expert in any field, and therefore forfeit your right to any stance on any subject; IF we follow your own supposed logic.
In other words, you have nothing scientific to offer, just the hearsay claims of those you agree with a priori. Now, get off my thread, you arrogant ignorant.
I formed an opinion based off of research, not arrogant, emotion-driven nonsense that I refuse to be proven wrong to. You actively deny every other God that has been proposed, yet selfishly and ignorantly believe the one you believe in is true; when there is no evidence to claim otherwise. The only difference between our religious stances is that I believe in one less god than you do, compared to the hundreds we both actively refuse to believe in; and I also believe science can prove either atheism or any other worldly religion true, given the evidence arises. Agnosticism takes the full perspective of reality into account and realizes there are things we don't yet know, but that doesn't mean we throw our individual opinion into the void of what is yet to be known.
I’m not a scientist to do my own experiments on the origins of the universe but quite a lot actually has been written about the science of getting something from nothing…
You dont have a laboratory and millions of dollars in research money so that means that all of science throughout the years is negated, and some fruit salad on the internet must be correct instead. Oh if I could have figured this out before, oh the Shame, if only his ‘butt munch’ claims weren’t so horribly damaging to all the scientists on the planet, I denounce my position and accept that guys imaginary friend.
Skid mark, I did not ask you what you, a deluded narcissist, trusts or does not trust. Who cares? I asked you how you rationally know truth from fiction. Put up or I will shut you up, you ignorant bag of pond scum.
Hahhahahaha.............I like your style, but I have to ask you this: If you die today, are you sure that your sins are forgiven and you are going to Heaven?
I don’t know that sir. But, what is the god that you blevieve in? The one I speak of is either a higher being of power created by sience. Or he has created sience.
Science did create an exact clone of a sheep...... Science has also given us thousands of cures and vaccines and medicine that has saved millions of people. Yes, science can create things.
I do not believe in a god, a god is an idol which is not God who created all things. How could your god create science? Again, what is your god? A being of higher power? You mean a bird or a plane, or a cloud which has a mind?
You got banned.......good thing for you that the debate creator is not God who at any moment could banish you out of the presence of the living. If He had banned you like you got banned from this debate, you would be frying in Hell like an eternal sausage now; but you don't know that yet, do you?
I'm sorry, mate, but that post reads like something a schizophrenic with a religious persecution complex would say. It sounds ad if it came verbatim from a psychiatric journal in a patient interview.
But you don't know that yet do you?
LOL
And do you know the most comon form of schizophrenic delusion is about god and religion? Sby do you think that is? Sby is it not about atheism?
The cool thing about being a mindless atheist is that reality does not have to inform your thinking. To the contrary, it is antithetical to it. Rather, to be an atheist one merely has to assume that any silly thing that pops into your head is truth for no other reason than you say so. And, of course, anyone who disagrees with you can simply be dismissed as stupid.
Truly. Many of the OT fables read like stories told by a ranting drooling thorazine munching psycho. Like Yahweh was! He was a murderous bullying homicidal child killer. I dig that story where he had a couple dozen children slaughtered by bears, just cuz they teased Elisha about being bald.
Truly...what the holy fuck is wrong with you people? Worship that? You must have been psychologically fucked over by your Mom and Dad as a kid.
Ironically, this mindless bag of pond scum was trying to disagree with my post and ended up confirming every word of it. I love exposing these fools as the mindless reprobates they are.
Notice how this fool cannot do anything but offer mindless opinions. For example, he cannot tell us why God would be wrong for executing sinners. All he can do is express his meaningless outrange that He did. I bet he was raised by a single mother.
You truly sound like a drooling psychotic senile bugger.... Believing in that mindless bible shite. Like the time where Lot offered up his two young virgin daughters to gang rape just to protect a couple angels. Who....by the way..shoulda been able to fend for themselves if they were really emissaries of Yahweh the homicidal sky god.
LOL
Worship that? You people are criminally insane.
And hell exists only in your decayed mind. Its as real as Narnia or Mount Olympus.
Since not one athiest has ever made the claim that something came from nothing, your question is answered. Since it is you who are claiming that something came from nothing, ie: whoever or whatever it was that created your god, then it’s on you to explain how something can come from nothing.
As every scientist ever has purported, life began as a molecular scripting machine. Some of the first life is readily apparent if you know about the Grand Canyon, the reddish colour came from early cellular life, that changed all the iron in the ocean mixing with carbon monoxide, into iron calcite, as they went through thier life cycle. Life on earth had to be very simple for a very long time to evolve, which it did, slowly removing and refining the constituents of earth , which are still visible today.
Skid mark, either something came from nothing, violating the first law of thermo, or something has existed eternally, violating the 2nd law of thermo. There is no middle ground. Which anti-science position do you hold to?
But I do love the delusion of this ignorant fool pretending to speak for every scientist on earth over time. ROFL.
Moron, you are unworthy of debate. Just answer the Q: did the universe come from nothing or is it eternal. The laws of science say they are both wrong. Atheism says one is right. Which lie do you hold to?
Irrational monkey man, this is called begging the question. The universe is composed of all of material reality. Is the "singularity" part of realty? If so, the universe did not emerge from it, for it is part of it. My gosh, you morons are mindless sheep who believe anything spoon fed to you no matter how irrational.
Irrational monkey man, this is called begging the question
No it isn't. This is what begging the question means, dopey:-
Begging the question, sometimes known by its Latin name petitio principii (meaning assuming the initial point), is a logical fallacy in which the writer or speaker assumes the statement under examination to be true. In other words, begging the question involves using a premise to support itself. If the premise is questionable, then the argument is bad.
Your question was supported by your own premise of a dichotomy of possible answers, and since that dichotomy is false, you are the one begging the question.
The universe is composed of all of material reality
This is also begging the question, since this premise is unfounded and is about to be used to set up another question.
Is the "singularity" part of realty?
If your claim is true and the "universe is composed of all material reality" then the singularity must therefore predate all of material reality.
If so, the universe did not emerge from it, for it is part of it.
By the exact same principle a butterfly "did not" emerge from its cocoon because it is already part of reality. Except the problem with your Mickey Mouse logic is that before the cocoon there was no butterfly, and before the universe there was no reality.
Do us all a favour and reserve your rude arrogance for the small number of occasions that you understand what you are talking about.
What is hilarious is that even though he quotes the definition, he gets the application wrong, though I accept in his mentally ill state, he sees himself as unable to be wrong. What this fool did was to assume the singularity is not part of the universe to prove that the universe is not eternal or came from nothing. But this premise is a joke, by definition.
And definitions cannot beg the question. ROFL. This is happens when the mentally ill pretend to play logician.
And he continues to beg the question, for the singularity is PART of the universe, making it part of all material reality. Material reality cannot predate itself. He thought he solved this problem by dodging the definition, but he only prove how irrational he is.
Right, the butterfly did not merge from material reality because it is part of it. Not only is this fool irrational and mentally ill, but he cannot engage in abstract through. Wow. Fortunately, he is off my screen.
Please don't use this ignorant summarization of evolution, it is blatant misinformation and will only lead to confusion. Evolution doesn't say we evolved "from apes", it shows that humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor that was NOT A HUMAN NOR AN APE; but simply the crossroad in which the two, as well as many more, species descended.
What you are referring to is called abiogenesis. It is a common biology term. You need to do some research on it. Also...time itself was created with the big bang. So before that there wax no time. Hence...no period in which there wX nothing. Its must your human mind cannot grasp the idea of time not existing.
Cosmo!ovists have nailed step be step exactly what happened from 10/43 hundredths of a second after the big bang.
That number looks like this on a stop watch....0.0000000000000000000000043.
Just because we have not yet extended our equation to ore big bang is no reason to spew oyr your tired and lame god of the gaps drivel. You guys are hilarious! You neglect the fact science has incredibly improved your lives and had discovered millions of facts, and proved them time and again. Then you find one area where we hsvenr yet discovered some component, and hoy hold up a Bronze Age book if Hebrew Mythology and exclaim, Aha! You can't prove it because god did it!
Do you have any earthly idea how lame that is? If people like that ran the world then We would be living in the Stone age.
And why don't you apply any of your science critique to your bible? LOL. The book is filled with absurdities science and physics prove to be impossible. But you ignore that and attack PhD level science.
Loser, I did not ask you for definition of terms or what some loser told you. I asked you for science. Put up or I will shut you up. My gosh, you fools are dumb as a box of rocks.
Fuck, you are a sped. You are definitively what’s wrong with western society. There are people that could have real debates on particular specific points in evolution or non-theistic beliefs, but instead spedwards like you won’t even come to real debates because they are not worded in such a way that would allow you call everyone a skid mark or shit stain every time they make a well reasoned, intelligent or genuine point. It occurs to me that you never research anything anybody tells you, and I suspect you would not be able to understand it if you tried. Your constant misconceptions of the English language and scientific concepts belies your inability to understand the words themselves. You are by definition, a fuckn idiot. Now go report this to your mommy.
What experiments you have done that you observed something coming from nothing
This shows you don't understand what scientists say. We don't assert that something came from nothing. That's just you being unable to interpret what scientists actually say. "Nothing" is a physical impossibility. Existence and nothingness are diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive concepts. "Nothing" is a misnomer in material science.
Infinite density is not "nothing". Zero entropy is not "nothing". Singularity is not "nothing".
information coming from a blank slate
This is also misinterpreted, I suspect deliberately. See above.
life coming from non-life
This is obviously the case. Chemicals exist. The complex chemicals necessary for life could not have survived on this planet while Earth was hot and newly formed. A human could not live on a planet which was covered in poisonous gasses and which had an atmospheric temperature several hundred degrees hotter than today. Thus, the complex chemicals necessary for life must haveformed at some stage during the gradual cooling of the Earth. Life did not always exist on this planet. It came to be. We also know, by simply looking through a microscope, that everything is made up of chemicals. 99% of our body mass is made of six common elements that combine in certain ways to create the myriad of compounds in the human body.
If Earth did not at one point support life, yet life exists, then life quite obviously came from non-life. It's simple chronology.
humanity coming from non-humanity
See above.
mind coming from mindlessness
New consciousness of varying degrees is spawned in every specimen of fauna that's born into the world. "Mind coming from mindlessness" is an everyday occurrence.
Until you can, shut up, with your anti-science, mystical claims
Hey, moron, as a scientist, I know what scientists say better than you do. And yes, nothing is simply the absence of energy and matter, which you morons must insist the universe arose from, despite this violating the 1st Law of Thermo. Or you can say it has always existed, which violates the second law of thermo. Either way, your silly worldview is anti-science. Your rebellion against English only confirms you hate science.
No doubt as your mental illness demands you insist everyone who exposes you as a fool is stupider than you, but tell us where the information that founds all of reality comes from? Don't run. Answer, Mr. Pretend Scientist.
Moron, I did not ask you to beg the question with your insistent on what must be true is your foolish worldview were true, I asked you to prove scientifically life came from non-life. I ask for science and these morons give me mysticism, bad logic and absurd philosophy.
I did see above and there was no science. Put up or shut up, you ignorant, propagandized buffoon.
And yet you cannot show us one example.
What is most said is that tool really does think his vomiting his propaganda is science. ROFL.
Really? But it just so happens that the shit you peddle shows up in precisely zero peer reviewed journals and the shit I peddle is in any of relevance?
Notice how when you confront these ignorant fools with actual science, they turn to the ad populum fallacy. And yes, moron, the 1st and 2nd Laws are written about quite extensively. ROFL
"And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
