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Identity Fallacy

Something to do with performing experimentation without isolating variables. Correlation and causation? Lumping people together in groups? Even having an idea of someone or something in your head? What am I on about?

The equivalent of an equal sign( = ) in mathematics through the English language happens to be "is" and its many variances. So when you say, "This is something", what are you really saying? When you say, "You are something" what are you really saying? When you say, "They are that", what are you really saying? When you name things, what are you really saying?


Even being aware of the identity fallacy is something that can drastically alter the reality that one experiences and perceives. It is not widely known, and higher education is very selective on who is informed of it, because it is the type of knowledge that undermines a great deal of indoctrination and education.


What do you know about the identity fallacy, and what do you think about it?
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I think that through experimentation you can define the properties of something within the context of a certain environment or condition. That is, you can learn how something "behaves" but never learn it's true essence, or the nature of the substance of reality itself. Humans are not capable of understanding that, but they are capable of asking the question, which is why we invent metaphysical and theological explanations and mistake it for knowledge. We are not capable of understanding the more fundamental truth of reality, as you call it the supreme ultimate reality, but we are capable of understanding physical properties. We are also perceiving a third reality, a subjective reality, the realm of emotions and social constructs...When you believe in God you can project this third reality, which isn't objectively real like the other two realities, as if it is universal law. This is how the shamans and priests of old learned to control the people, and eventually this lead to the mystery schools and even governments which started as inter-tribal theocracies about 12,000 years ago. God is a tool used to solidify social constructs into your mind as if they are objective laws of reality, you are a domesticated psychologically programmed robot.

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Certainly, the reality that I project is NOT The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.

That is why it is important to understand the essence of what that means, and realize that the core of what I am really saying is that THIS is the good teacher. I must become less so that The Word becomes more. You say that shamans and priests cared about controlling people... Indeed, there are always those who would utilize occultic things to exert control. The heart of a saint, however, is not in power, but in elevating those around into being conscious of God.

The faith is not in people, institution, or any created thing. It is in The Word of God, The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, and The Spirit of Truth.

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Something we often forget is that we cannot feel past our fingertips, see past our retinas, hear past our auditory nerves, taste past our taste buds, or smell past our olfactory receptors.

Whatever the initial stimulus is, our experience is analogy, created completely internally.

Even simple statements like, "the shirt is orange" indicates only subjective internal experience of the speaker, but purports to represents objective external reality.

This is the core of the Identity Fallacy.

As Gautama Siddhartha said, "All is illusion."

Unfortunately, I see no way past it.

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The only way to win some games is to not play.

Eventually, we all go back to the source. The Beginning and The End.

"For now we see through a glass, darkly"

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An identity fallacy fundamentally comes from the discrepancy between imagination and reality, our faith in imagination as being reality, and the fact that The Supreme Being isn't really any of this stuff.

It is the sort of thing that makes politics so dumb. People have these broad sweeping opinions about the so called "left" and the so called "right". Any kind of side in some imaginary war that is going on where both sides are practically homogenized straw men that people treat as living things! These idols will serve no one, and they will only lead everyone astray. Turn to THE TRUTH.

Why do you take the actions of people who claim to believe in something as if that is the representation of that they claim to believe? Why do you take people who claim to be representatives of something as being what they claim to represent? Why do you claim your idea of something is the way things really are?

It's all rooted in the identity fallacy. Mistaken identity. It is easy to attack straw men, but it is hard to attack THE TRUTH.

Isn't the truth what sets you free? Isn't it the truth that liberates? There is One Truth, The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, God Almighty! Recognize that, and be with humble spirit. Otherwise, what are you doing? You are giving in to variance and strife. At some point, the kung fu has to be about right living rather than a means to woop on some tail. Otherwise, you lost the spirit of it to begin with.

So hey, anyone ready to forsake their paganistic worship of created things and acknowledge The Supreme and Ultimate Reality as their God? This is clearly The One.

So what changes? Life goes on. Let God do the rest. Keep it real. See how you have been deceived, and take the forgiveness you have been given as a sign to strengthen your faith in forgiving others. Charity!