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Socialism Liberalism
Debate Score:14
Arguments:27
Total Votes:15
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 Socialism (5)
 
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Ideologies

Okay so this is a pretty easy one, one that you probably have had before.   Either way, which society structures do you find more effective? One based on socialism (etc. northern European countries like Germany, Denmark, Sweden, etc.)    Or one based on liberalism like USA?

Socialism

Side Score: 7
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Liberalism

Side Score: 7
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America has been a social democracy since the oligarchy created by the (Railroad guy, can't think of his name at the moment), Rockefellers, (Oil) and Carnegies (steel). That was broken up by one of the few good Republicans, Teddy Roosevelt. HE brought people out of poverty, gave them jobs and decent wages .... kind of like Democrats fight for today, while conservatives rally for another Oligarchy. Go figure. I support Bernie Sanders in every way. If Hillary survives the vicious lies of the right wing conspiracy, I'll support HER, if not, Bernie is my man! America has had its best years under Democratic Socialism, its worst under a conservative oligarchy!

Side: Socialism
1 point

America has been a social democracy since the oligarchy created by the (Railroad guy, can't think of his name at the moment), Rockefellers, (Oil) and Carnegies (steel).

What? How do you figure?

Side: Liberalism
1 point

Social democracy is how this country was set up. We elect representatives to decide how to spend the tax money we pay into the system.

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they tried doing it without taxes and it doesn't work.

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as long as there are taxes, it's socialism to one degree or another.

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the liberTARIAN paradise that some seem to think existed somewhere in the past... NEVER DID. there have only been shades of more or less regulation placed upon capitalism.

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free market capitalism, unrestrained by government, ALWAYS results in corruption and fraud... every single time.

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we are swinging back from a period of unregulated capitalism because ppl living today can see with their own eyes how it DOES NOT WORK for the average American... it only works for those at the top.

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trickle ON economics.

Side: Socialism
1 point

Social democracy is how this country was set up.

As a Social Democratic, I most certainly assure you it was not.

We elect representatives to decide how to spend the tax money we pay into the system.

You have described a Representative Democracy, which is how our government was set up.

as long as there are taxes, it's socialism to one degree or another.

No, it is not. Socialism requires the public ownership of the means of production and distribution. Taxation is not inherently socialist in any way. Taxation and distribution of tax income predates Socialism, and even Capitalism.

Side: Liberalism
skyfish(276) Clarified
0 points

You have described a Representative Democracy, which is how our government was set up.

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yes, i know.

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Socialism requires the public ownership of the means of production and distribution.

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but not ALL the means.... just those that are "socialized".

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libraries, roads, municipal services (before they were sold off to private for-profit companies)... that kind of thing.

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it's funny the obvious aversion to the word that so many ppl seem to have.

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we are all socialists... especially the rich, because they are the ones the are socialized to the greatest extent.... every time we bail them out w/ our tax money.

Side: Socialism

I side with Liberalism as the proper structure, however, Liberalism in the United States does have a check and balance system with Conservatism.

Side: Liberalism
shoutoutloud(4182) Clarified
2 points

There are studies showing where people are happiest, live the longest and where the class distinction is the smallest. The countries with a socialistic foundation are usually in the top 5 of these - for example, the class distinction is the smallest in Denmark. People live the longest in Norway, and the Scandinavian countries are all in the top 10 Happiest Countries.

Do you find there is a link between these facts and the social structure they use?

Side: Socialism
daver(1771) Disputed
1 point

People in Scandinavia are not happier because of an ideology, but because blondes have more fun 😎

Side: Socialism
1 point

You are fundamentally misunderstanding what he means.

Liberalism as he is referring to it is not the ideology of Modern American Liberalism. He is talking a sociological liberalism as the underpinning of our society; they mean different things.

Side: Socialism

These words have way too many meanings for this to be a productive conversation. Do you mean Classical Liberalism or Welfare-State/Regulated-Capitalism Liberalism?

Can I just pick the one that means limited, but effective, government and free, but not totally unregulated, markets? A system that works towards the common good with strong respect for fundamental human rights?

Side: Liberalism
shoutoutloud(4182) Clarified
1 point

We can go with Welfare-State/Regulated-Capitalism Liberalism

Side: Socialism