If 2020 is gonna be about FASCISM v SOCIALISM, where do you come down?
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I would personally choose Tribal Socialism- I would not wanna completely kill free market, but we all should stand up for our fellow folk when they are sick!!!! When they are healthy- they need to WORK! But wait, socialism usually means you give up a lot of individual freedom. Socialism usually requires authoritarian governments Just saying Side: I'm feeling the BERN
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Where do people get this stuff ? Socialism is a form of economic system that can do quite well under democracy and especially the socialism for the rich the capitalist so loves in the US now. Fascism however there is no you, there is no social-anything. Fascism is a system that thrives under the only economy acceptable...capitalism. (Mussolini) Under fascism, it is all govt. control of everything including you. Fascism is power, profits and war...call it sort-of-a a for-profit communism. Side: I'm feeling the BERN
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Your only problem being that Fascism was created by Giovanni Gentile, who was a far left Communist. Side: Trump can do no wrong
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Socialism and Fascism are the exact same thing according to the creator of fascism. Mussolini- The Fascist State directs and controls the entrepreneurs, whether it be in our fisheries or in our heavy industry in theVal d'Aosta. There the State actually owns the mines and carries on transport, for the railways are state property. So are many of the factories… We term it state intervention… If anything fails to work properly, the State intervenes. The capitalists will go on doing what they are told, down to the very end. They have no option and cannot put up any fight. Capital is not God; it is only a means to an end. As quoted in Talks with Mussolini, Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933), pp. 153-154, Interview took place between March 23 and April 4, 1932 Mussolini- Fascism establishes the real equality of individuals before the nation… the object of the regime in the economic field is to ensure higher social justice for the whole of the Italian people… What does social justice mean? It means work guaranteed, fair wages, decent homes, it means the possibility of continuous evolution and improvement. Nor is this enough. It means that the workers must enter more and more intimately into the productive process and share its necessary discipline… As the past century was the century of capitalist power, the twentieth century is the century of power and glory of labour. Four Speeches on the Corporate State, Rome, (1935) pp. 39-40. Speech delivered to the workers in Milan. Eric Jabbari, Pierre Laroque and the Welfare State in Postwar France, Oxford University Press, (2012) p. 46 https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/ Mussolini- Socialism is not Arcadian and peaceful. We do not believe in the sacredness of human life. As quoted in Talks with Mussolini, Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933), p. 151, interview took place between March 23 and April 4, 1932 Mussolini- When the war is over, in the world's social revolution that will be followed by a more equitable distribution of the earth's riches, due account must be kept of the sacrifices and of the discipline maintained by the Italian workers. The Fascist revolution will make another decisive step to shorten social distances. Mussolini’s speech in Rome, Italy, February 23, 1941. Published in the New York Times, February 24, 1941. Mussolini- It was inevitable that I should become a Socialist ultra, a Blanquist, indeed a communist. I carried about a medallion with Marx’s head on it in my pocket. I think I regarded it as a sort of talisman… [Marx] had a profound critical intelligence and was in some sense even a prophet. As quoted in Talks with Mussolini , Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933) p. 38. Interview between March 23 and April 4, 1932, at the Palazzo di Venezia in Rome Side: Trump can do no wrong
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Between these two, I am sorry but I will prefer Fascism. Hillary is my style but I'd prefer Fascism to Socialism. Bernie isn't a Socialist, he just thinks he is. I worry about his brain and how it works when it comes to International Politics. Trump is a predictable Narcissist, Bernie is a loose cannon with no ego to stroke or greed to feed. Hillary is a calm, controlled ferocious warrior sided with the One-World Nation and the peace that is required to achieve that (peace requires 'bursts' of non-peace to nip violence in the bud). Hillary is the fucking best candidate in the entire history of US; look at her track record as Sec. of State and all of it. She's god-tier. She is not her husband, he is a sex-addicted buffoon. Side: Trump can do no wrong
Conservatism is not fascism. Being somewhat right or left of centre does not constitute extremism. Your cheap little leading question is in the same category as: how often do you beat your wife? There are too many communist agitators like you trying to divide the nation by polarizing people's legitimate political dogma. Side: Trump can do no wrong
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Socialism and Fascism are the exact same thing according to the creator of fascism. Mussolini- The Fascist State directs and controls the entrepreneurs, whether it be in our fisheries or in our heavy industry in theVal d'Aosta. There the State actually owns the mines and carries on transport, for the railways are state property. So are many of the factories… We term it state intervention… If anything fails to work properly, the State intervenes. The capitalists will go on doing what they are told, down to the very end. They have no option and cannot put up any fight. Capital is not God; it is only a means to an end. As quoted in Talks with Mussolini, Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933), pp. 153-154, Interview took place between March 23 and April 4, 1932 Mussolini- Fascism establishes the real equality of individuals before the nation… the object of the regime in the economic field is to ensure higher social justice for the whole of the Italian people… What does social justice mean? It means work guaranteed, fair wages, decent homes, it means the possibility of continuous evolution and improvement. Nor is this enough. It means that the workers must enter more and more intimately into the productive process and share its necessary discipline… As the past century was the century of capitalist power, the twentieth century is the century of power and glory of labour. Four Speeches on the Corporate State, Rome, (1935) pp. 39-40. Speech delivered to the workers in Milan. Eric Jabbari, Pierre Laroque and the Welfare State in Postwar France, Oxford University Press, (2012) p. 46 https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/BenitoMussolini Mussolini- Socialism is not Arcadian and peaceful. We do not believe in the sacredness of human life. As quoted in Talks with Mussolini, Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933), p. 151, interview took place between March 23 and April 4, 1932 Mussolini- When the war is over, in the world's social revolution that will be followed by a more equitable distribution of the earth's riches, due account must be kept of the sacrifices and of the discipline maintained by the Italian workers. The Fascist revolution will make another decisive step to shorten social distances. Mussolini’s speech in Rome, Italy, February 23, 1941. Published in the New York Times, February 24, 1941. Mussolini- It was inevitable that I should become a Socialist ultra, a Blanquist, indeed a communist. I carried about a medallion with Marx’s head on it in my pocket. I think I regarded it as a sort of talisman… [Marx] had a profound critical intelligence and was in some sense even a prophet. As quoted in Talks with Mussolini , Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933) p. 38. Interview between March 23 and April 4, 1932, at the Palazzo di Venezia in Rome Side: Trump can do no wrong
Socialism and Fascism are the exact same thing according to the creator of fascism. 1) I reported you for brazenly lying about what the quote you posted says. EDIT: Since beginning to write my reply you have added five more quotes, none of which support your claim that Mussolini believed fascism and socialism are the same thing. 2) Normal people don't get their information from Mussolini. Mussolini was a mad right wing dictator. 3) Contrary to your completely fabricated interpretation of the quote you posted, here is what Mussolini actually said about socialism:- "We declare war against socialism" (Mussolini’s speech in Milan, March 23, 1919) Indeed, not only did Mussolini LITERALLY declare war against socialism, but he also gave his reasoning for doing so:- "Because it has opposed nationalism" (Mussolini’s speech in Milan, March 23, 1919) Now go ahead and tell us more about how we should make America great again by building a wall to keep the Mexicans out, you pathetic neo-fascist nincompoop. Side: I'm feeling the BERN
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Normal people don't get their information from Mussolini. Pretty sure the creator of fascism defines what fascism is. "We declare war against socialism" (Mussolini’s speech in Milan, March 23, 1919) Indeed, not only did Mussolini LITERALLY declare war against socialism, but he also gave his reasoning for doing so:- "Because it has opposed nationalism" (Mussolini’s speech in Milan, March 23, 1919) Of which you intentionally left out parts of the quote that reject your narrative and divided it into two handpicked parts of the quote. If it had supported your position, you would have simply quoted the entire quote. You also left out that there are left wing versions of nationalism. Side: Trump can do no wrong
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Now go ahead and tell us more about how we should make America great again by building a wall to keep the Mexicans out, you pathetic neo-fascist nincompoop. I want immigrants here, vetted and cleared. You? Hate anyone who doesn't conform to your Orwellian nightmare ideology. You take the position of supporting the wolf, hoping that it eats you last. Side: Trump can do no wrong
You’re a squealer and a child , 81 alt accounts and you report because you’re all upset at someone having the temerity to dispute you , and it’s a bit rich you calling others liars when it’s all you do. You cannot even define Socialism you idiotic wretch , last week you said the perfect example was the USSR under Stalin , then you denied Hitler claimed he owed Marx a huge debt and Hitler directly agreed with Marx’s views on Jews and used the self same language as in “The Jewish question “ .Hitler removed the capitalist class who were mostly Jews of which was exactly as Marx prescribed. Let’s look at Benito now shall we ........ On numerous occasions, Benito Mussolini identified his economic policies with “state capitalism”—the exact phrase that Vladimir Lenin used to usher in his New Economic Policy (NEP). Lenin wrote: “State capitalism would be a step forward as compared with the present state of affairs in our Soviet Republic.”2 After Russia’s economy collapsed in 1921, Lenin allowed privatization and private initiative, and he let the people trade, buy and sell for private profit.3 Lenin was moving towards a mixed economy. He even demanded that state-owned companies operate on profit/loss principles.4 Lenin acknowledged that he had to back away from total socialism and allow some capitalism. For more background information, see “Marxism”, by David L. Prychitko and “Socialism”, by Robert Heilbroner in the Concise Encyclopedia of Economics. Mussolini followed Lenin’s example and proceeded to establish a state-driven economic model in Italy. In essence, Mussolini’s fascism was simply an imitation of Lenin’s “third way,” which combined market-based mechanisms and socialism—similar to Red China’s “market socialism.” In short, Lenin’s revised Marxism culminated in “socialist-lite” policies that helped inspire Mussolini to craft his own Italian-style fascism with a right-wing socialist twist. Thus, one could argue that Lenin’s politics were the first modern-day version of fascism and state-corporatism. Economist Ludwig von Mises, who fled the Nazi conquest of Europe, contended that the “economic program of Italian Fascism did not differ from the program of British Guild Socialism as propagated by the most eminent British and European socialists.” Just throw in the towel now son I’m sick of schooling you....... PS .... Could you please make up your mind on what Socialism is? Side: Trump can do no wrong
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