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People don't "ignore" God, they simply do not believe in him. If God existed in a tangible, provable form, then belief wouldn't factor into it and "atheism" wouldn't really exist.
Can you actually provide one piece of evidence or are you just stating that there is evidence somewhere out there, but that you can't actually prove it.
lol... thats funny. am just getting tired of long explaination with typing. Theres an easy way but dangerous way to realise God. That is become an occultist and when you start encountering people of God you can really tell.Blindness is a choice . You always looking for logic according to your understanding in your earth uniform(flesh) when your spirit(your real self) has all the answers you asking me. you have ignored your self for your uniform
From i this debate i have realised people would like to believe there is God just that they cannot find hard prove. i wont argue if there is or not. But no matter how much you try to ignore it will always come around and get you thinking. Have you asked why? because your spirit agrees and your mind disagrees cos you are used to or have been trained in a world where everthing that. has a name has prove. eg. when you say coke you know the stores you should go to to get one...obama you have physical evidence....a car , music,lion etc. since its not unto me make you believe. i will just leave your spirit to wrestle with your mind(flesh).
They do not want proof of God, they want proof of being free of punishment in death. They want God to leave them alone, even if it means they will be left alone by God in Hell.
If they wanted proof of God, they would find it. It's all around them, it's in the mirror when they look.......they don't want proof or they would have it and know it.
Oh! finally. I got someone here who thinks am not hallucinating . Thanks bro. One is enough backup against these 10000 curious people . When they already have answers. These people wanna touch everthing, see everything, hear everything in hard prove. They want God to wake them up from their beds with a trumpet, Feed them in the morning hand to mouth physically. And to those who fear God cos of judgement and choose not to believe. If you havent done anything wrong are you afraid of the police ?No! you will be dodging police when you have a dead body in ya car
Oh! finally. I got someone here who thinks am not hallucinating . Thanks bro. One is enough backup against these 10000 curious people . When they already have answers. These people wanna touch everthing, see everything, hear everything in hard prove. They want God to wake them up from their beds with a trumpet, Feed them in the morning hand to mouth physically. And to those who fear God cos of judgement and choose not to believe. If you havent done anything wrong are you afraid of the police ?No! you will be dodging police when you have a dead body in ya car
If you know God through Jesus Christ, He backs up His word and you don't need anybody else. The haters here do not want God in their lives, they love sin and they walk according to their lusts and do not care that it's taking them to Hell.
Yes, it's like criminals and police officers. The truth is that they don't want to be seen. They are hiding from God because of their evils. They love their crimes and don't want God to find them any more than criminals want to be found by the cops.
And the same as a criminal would hate you for pointing at them in the presence of cops, atheists and anti-Christ haters hate it when you point at them in the presence of God.
Jesus said the world would hate us the same as they hated Him if we follow Him. If you're a real Christian, most people here will hate you.
1) Science can only observe what is measurable and quantifiable.
2) What is measurable and quantifiable is finite by definition.
3) But if God were finite, then by definition it wouldn't be God.
4) So your claim of “”no evidence for God” is based on either a complete ignorance of the definition of God, or a consciously created Straw Man.
These people almost always put up a consciously created Straw Man which is not God, and then they say the thing they are talking about cannot be God. It's really very stupid stuff. They know God is the One they want to deny, and in reality they are only denying themselves of life.
People just cannot stop believing scientists when they brought the cars, medicine for some dangerous diseases etc. Scientist are their last stop. If scientists say there is no God they too will accept and now look up to scientists as some kinda demi gods and the highest point of god there can be. Forgetting scientists are also mere mortal humans also confused as fuck about God. Trying to prove God scientifically. They scientists should know better if you use the wrong approach to find something you will never get it . They wanna use logic find God lol. Its like they covered their eyes and. going in circles tryna find God in the same room. God is not even far from them, He is just standing behind them rotating with them lol.
And people expecting scientists to give them answers about God?those morans? who cannot simply open their eyes? well not your fault for trusting them, They travel to space and you cant.
They don't even believe scientists. They believe lies regardless of science. The "scientists" they idolize are liars, not true scientists but rather priests of the religion of naturalism which ascribes supernatural powers to nature, making it like God, making themselves to be like God when in reality they are like devils trying to take over God's Creation.
you ask for too much explainations. One the things i hate about curiousity and intelligence. if i should explain this its gonna be like a book(again lol). i can recommend some churches for you though. i trust those churches to help you. Global Destiny Church(i listen to them on radio) the potter's house fellowship(not that of t.d jakes) its my church but there are more branches of it in America than Africa .....easy to find 2000 plus branches all over the world
you make it so hard. i dont think anyone has given this much explainations to a simple statement on this site. These kinda things are best answered face to face. I just hate typing things meant to be said. Even though eulogies,manifestos and etc. are written, They are not given to audience to read but are known through speech
To create debates, give opinions on debates not here to be strangled by super curious people for answers i would not like to answer in this form. Debate is willing opinions. I know some of you people can force answers outta me at gun point.lol Answers to some questions you have been hungry for so long that you gave up on. And i made the mistake of confidently saying i know. And even though am not God who should give those, you have found my substitute answers worth it at least since you know there is no where to find God and strangle Him for these answers. While God says he is omnipresent.
i dont think anyone has given this much explainations to a simple statement on this site.
That's just not true.
You made a claim, and I asked you to support it. That's how debating works. It's perfectly fine if you don't want to debate online via text, but if so, then don't come to a debate site.
But the question you asking is outtA content. it deviates from the motion If God was in Human form on earth as King, could people still ignore God and obey satan? To does God exist ? which i knew is a never ending questioning and answering motion, so i did not put that on board. The motion skips if God exists and goes straight forward asking if people would still turn away from Him if He was on earth. So cos i stated He exists somewhere caught your attention and you want to dig that info doesnt make it the motion. And also the problem is you like my staff about other so called gods cos i explain it a very simple language. Without adding super mystical words or names places to confuse you.(you actually forced that outta me and i managed to make it brief) so you are being insistent on this one too but i keep disappointing you and i can see you ain't Glad. Should i say sorry? well not my fault. its your own deviation into something of your interest instead of staying put to the actual motion. Anyways am sorry.lol
I grew up in the church and spent 33 years in the Christian faith. This may be something you hate about curiosity and intelligence, but according to your religion, we were designed with these traits. After as much time as I spent in the faith I finally started asking questions and it was from those questions I found there is not enough evidence or reason to believe there is a god.
You've stated a couple times that you're tired of typing long explanations or that we're asking too much. Keep in mind the entire purpose of this site is discussion. We are asking what should be a fairly simple question for you to answer as according to you, the Evidence of God is right infront our face.
Going to church doesn't make you a christian.(its actually just a title) its like going window shopping you will not come out with anything bought. In order to buy, you have to be willing and have the purchasing power.Are you willing to Know God(not just understand he exists cos God likes relationships with His children) and do you have the power(money/cost)(readiness to endure losing validity cos you believe in God no matter what others say?)(you xchange money (power)for goods so you exchange whatever pride of being called stupid for the things of God)
And no matter how much you you go to a certain university's library, it can never make you a student. you can challenge knowledge with them but will not graduate with them(The certificate is what matters). So you can read the bible all you want , study the church all you want to make strong arguements but on the final day you will not be qualified for heaven. Real christians are bound by spiritual laws. A real student of the university is bound by the constitution of the school.
I completely agree and this is why I specified the 33 years of my life in it. For sake of this discussion I'll elaborate. At the age of 7 I had accepted Jesus in my heart, was baptized in a "believer's baptism" at the age of 15. Served as worship leader through the age of 22. I assisted our youth pastor in leading the youth groups while I was in college. During those times I was also involved with various college groups for my own growth and served on their worship teams. I spent countless nights in bible studies learning all I could about God as well as my own personal time at home. I prayed regularly, not just when asking for favors but for the purpose of having communication with God. I know the default answer for those that claim to have been a Christian and then moved away from the church is that they were not really a Christian. I was a Christian and it is not for anyone else to decide.
That said, though I had read through the Bible many times over the years I decided to challenge myself to read it again, cover to cover, chronologically in one year. It was during this I started asking more and more questions about what I was reading and by the time I hit just Exodus, I realized it was a myth.
Before saul became paul. He was an intellectual in the word of God. And was yet tormenting christ followers untill grace found him. Paul believed in his knowledge and hardwork but he still couldnt understand(though he thought he did). Never try to use logic to understand God. God is a spirit. We have His spirit (first guide) and He has also given the Holy spirit(second but ultimate guide) . If you were in the church and did not understand God, then i dont know if it was a church bound by the Holy spirit or the church is just a title. If the church had the Holy spirit, you were blinded by your hard work and determination thinking reading the bible and being involved in all those church practises could lead you to the answer like the baptism of water(what about baptism of the holy spirit). You did not let the spirit lead you or over take you. You lead yourself according to what is logic to you (your own mind). "There is a path that seems right to man but in the end lead to destruction" You are not the first and the last. Even the scribes in the bible couldn't see Jesus was the son of God. They were lead by their egos,pride and logic. John the baptist did not use logic to identify christ. He knew him automatically by the spirit.(he knows how to listen to his spirit and the spirit of God the Holy spirit) Guys also remember am not a pastor. it seems i have given some people the chance of getting answers to be with God's real messenger(actually called pastors) and spared them the embarrasment of going to church. Hey guys guess what , i have more reasons to get outta church than stay in church. i actually admit i have been in and outta church severally cos i did not understand certain things. But now am stuck in Church cos God exist. The presence of i have experienced and its not physical but more real and stronger than flesh. Dont Go to church with your mind cos the more you look with logic the less you see. Dont force a monkey to bark cos you are a dog . Dont force a cat crow. Flesh is flesh . spirit is spirit. Flesh is the earthly uniform and God is in the Heavenly uniform. but then you also that of heaven too. Communicate with God spirit for spirit. Even idol worshippers dont communicate in flesh , they communicate with their gods(fallen angels) in spirit and thats how they get stronger
The way I see it (and most atheists would probably agree) is, any religion that forces you to ignore all reason and logic and solely rely on "feelings" is a religion to run from. You can't make a claim of truth based on feelings. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, etc... People from every one of these religions will make the claim they have had personal experiences that prove to them their chosen religion is true. Obviously you can't all be right. Since personal experiences cannot be used as a gauge, reason and logic are all we have left. If the Christian god does exist, and if the Bible is indeed true, there should be no fear that reason and logic could say otherwise. That, however, is not the case and this is why the religion needed to be designed (by man) in a way to require faith and teach that having doubts is sinful.
So you want logic . Thats why you think the bible is a myth. Those same scientists who claim God does not exist have made historical proofs outta the bible(google it) even proving christ existed with a sample of his blood from where he was crucified that jesus had just 23 chromosones donated by his mother so jesus did not come by sexual intercourse.(and that is hard fact. look it up). Talking about feeling most pastors in America do not believe in mystical forces.
(which is stupid as a spiritual person and they are men of little faith and also pastoring logic). But to the true churches, you mean a church of 400 members having school drop outs, lawyers, doctors,engineers who keep going without being forced by anyone are stupid? Now about religion in general you mean mohammed Ali was a fool for being a faithful muslim cos you cannot see what sees, Jet li proved mystical abilities live on tv while there were live human audience, The magician Dynamo walking on water and a lot he has done you believe cos you see but you talking about feelings do you feel what Dynamo feels? if yes then you should be able to do what he does and if no thats the difference between you and him. What dynamo does cannot be proven scientifically. Man i tell you its not only christianity you cannot survive in any religion with this character. If you do not humble yourself to learn and understand, your prideful mind just like scientist wont lead you anywhere. you are still saul(not the harrsing type lol) saul and the scribes refused to humble themselves but jesuso christ chose to humble saul & let him see.
That was a favour and you know not everybody get favours.
Most of my pastors are repented drug addicts, gangstars , criminals etc from the 80's & 90's. By The way we have a christian Dynamo .Pastor Smith Wigglesworth(wikipedia)you can surely relate to his God . And please Christianity does not force people to ignore logic. It gives oversight on logic. Thats why logic is not a main factor in God worship cos we see beyond it. Its the difference between travelling with a car using logical signs like traffic lights, zeebra crossing etc and travelling with an aeroplane without road signs but you are able to pay attention to informants(holy spirit in terms of christianity) and you will land safely. Logic is using the roads made for you like formulaes,statistics etc. and if there is no roads to the destination you get stuck and conclude there is no such destination. While using an aeroplane you move over mountains and oceans , a journey without a designed road just instructions is the road. So how can you control the plane when you dont know how to listen. You wanna fly an aeroplane with a car mentality and looking for roads in the sky.
"The way I see it (and most atheists would probably agree)"
there is no reason or logic against the LORD. There is only self-destructive denial of one's own life, losing it all dying in your sin all the way to Hell.......that's all you have when you are denying God rules over you.
Ah dunce boy carries on with his demanding of negative assertions. There is no logic against flopadinkadumping snaglepuss! There is no logic against rectal fairies! Therr is no logic against God!
"I completely agree and this is why I specified the 33 years of my life in it. For sake of this discussion I'll elaborate. At the age of 7 I had accepted Jesus in my heart, was baptized in a "believer's baptism" at the age of 15. Served as worship leader through the age of 22. I assisted our youth pastor in leading the youth groups while I was in college."
You have been in church for 33 years. so what?
So thats what makes your arguements legitimate or genuine.
please enough of these cliche tantrums of christian toddlers who have also fallen.
Being in church 33 years doesn't make you clout judgement God does not a exist. Infact what church? Not every church is a church. plus giving your life to christ @ seven doesnt mean anything . You were probably a seven years old child who had no life experience and did not understand the call but was just following the trends of the adults who seemed to have the certainty and trying to be a good child of God(seven years child mind) without recieving the proper naturing in christianity. And thought since you had been in for long at your young age , you knew your way around your butt. So you lead yourself with child intelligence and comparing class mathematics formulaes for finding answers to finding God in that same manner. You were blinded by yourself cos you thought you knew it all and refused to listen(pride in the head) cos you felt like a baron in christianity cos you started from an early age. 33 years? WHAT A WASTE. I have been following God too since i was ever , ever and backed out and in cos of lack of some understandings but humbled myself and understood and now am stuck in. The ps. smith wiggles started at the age of 8 till the age of 87 . go read his history when severally resurrected dead people and etc. Do you compare yourself to him?
Yes he did. That is his wife and a church member who was declared dead at the hospital and also a few others i cannot be specific about. And well that seems to be news to you but not me cos one of the pastors of my church branches has done it once before. He was not even in the hospital close to the body, he was on the hospital's park. But was not actually praying for ressurection but for a kinda safe journey rest in peace. I dont care if you believe or not we live on two diff. parts of the world.
You're wasting your time with this cranky old God-hater. The only way the fool will believe Hell punishes sinners forever is to wake up in the fire with no way out.
You never really believed or you could not renounce the Lord.....you faked it, fooled yourself pretty good for a while.....you never really believed. You were a liar then and have not changed. You went with the flow for the socialization aspects, you put on a good show, a wolf in sheep's clothing and now you have dropped the costume. Whoopty doo.
Did you ever see "The Truman Show" with Jim Carey? If not, the basic premise is a television network decided to put on a unique television show in which a baby would be raised from birth through adulthood in what is nothing more than a huge TV show. Since he was born into it, it was all he ever knew and fully believed it was the real world. At the end he learns the truth, that it was nothing more than a television show.
Your argument would suggest that even though he didn't learn the truth about his life until he was an adult, he must not have ever believed it was real. That would be a foolish claim and if that's what you think, I pity that you can't understand simple logic.
Your belief in death relieving you from judgement is nonsensical........you're not getting off the hook, you owe God for everything you have and are, and every moment of your time, if you like it or not. Atheism is nonsense, believing just about any goofy idea of life or death you can dream up.........
Oh yeah, and I'm sure TV had a lot to do with your brain being twisted to think you have the right to exist outside of Hell even though dying proves you have no right and time is only a privilege
The first evidence is you wanting to know. You think you want to feed your brain but its your spirit demanding. Had it been a different topic you could have easily ignored it. But here the desire is from within and the desire is strong. Cos wanting to know God is wanting to know yourself. You are the image of God reflecting in His mirror. Your spirit already knows this but you dont pay attention though you see some signs that beats your understanding. Your spirit wants to overcome your earthly logical mind. Your spirit is the internal force to give you this understanding and i am the external force. How can you go and eat in a restaurant while you have food at home. Ignore the beauty of the restaurant(how certain i am). Your home food has ever been ready....lol. OMG People are so curious.lmao
I want to know because you told me it was there. I wouldn't look for evidence of God unless you had told me about him. I haven't felt God's spirit or anything like that. So the only evidence you have is a feeling? That's hardly convincing.
Can you give me physical proof of love, hatred etc...? i guess not but you all claim it exist.
And then God is more than that....he gave you his spirit.Thats why you feel guilt and conviction(animal dont have )cos you are the image of God and He doesn'T like sin or filth. (lies,murder etc. necessary or not).
Most of the things you feel needs correction(when you do wrong against someone or sometimes yourself).
Thats the pure nature of God, Holiness.
The feeling to make it right. And that is a clear evidence of God.
Just that He is the supreme being.He is too Holy that the creatures in heaven cannot look Him in the face.....He is like pure light. But we have fallen short of His glory like those angels who were kicked out.....
The diff is, the angels were conscious of their actions cos they are created with high wisdom ,and restricted nothing. But man had no clue of his enemy....(deceit) and so they don't have a chance of Forgiveness(God is strict and principled)
Finally the gift of the Holy Spirit (comforter)......if we pay attention, we can have comfort yet under the rule of satan(adversry).
The Holy Spirit is a free gift. But its a baptism of the spirit. And baptism are done in churches or by Pastors. Usually baptised to people who accept jesus christ newly .like on the penticostal day, there were people in the streets but the Holy Spirit descended on only people who had gathered before jesus christ so you can also speak in tongues(a language the devil does not understand just between you and God neither do you choose the words it comes outta your spirit.)
I used to envy friends who could speak in tongues first and i couldn't lol. Untill oneday i stepped forward and told the pastor that i didn't but wanted to and i have been speaking in tongues for about five years now.(i believed)
If you believe , that there is God and you believe in the Holy spirit , you can make a Holy Spirit request prayer on your own anywhere and the evidence will be you speaking in a different tongue that you may not understand yourself. However, some people are already gifted from birth and it manifests at God's planned time.
And so if you pray and you see that change, you see it also as proof that God exists.
You can try now. keep calm with a concerntrated mind of no doubts or second thoughts with all humility and pray like you talk normally but address Him as God Almighty....and make some reference of Him or What he has done from the bible just to be specific about who you are praying to. The bible is His word and you put Him on alert when you pray with words relating to His book(word which never pass away and contains power).
Forget about all those ridiculous books you have read about His non existence
Can you give me physical proof of love, hatred etc...? i guess not but you all claim it exist.
Yep! Take a class in neuroscience or neurology.
And then God is more than that....he gave you his spirit.Thats why you feel guilt and conviction(animal dont have )cos you are the image of God and He doesn'T like sin or filth. (lies,murder etc. necessary or not).
You're assuming I'm experiencing God's spirit. As far as I know, I don't feel this. And clearly everyone who isn't a Christian doesn't really feel it the same way you do either.
"I want to know because you told me it was there. I wouldn't look for evidence of God unless you had told me about him"
Is it everything that someone says that you are curious about?
You also notice you are not the only one who wants to know here right?lol
"Yep! Take a class in neuroscience or neurology."
Even i can prove love if i were a scientist.
I will just use people inlove and friends and let a device read heart beats, blood flow, and identify other signs. I will just prove with a couple people (just came to mind)
So you are able to touch love in a neurolgy class? Yet it is an abstract noun.? Dont let silly scientists deceive you. Its stupidity. There are things you can touch and cannot touch.Just accept it.Its as simple as that.
And its not only christians who have God's spirit.
Its a choice to be a christian but not a choice to. have a spirit.
The day your spirit leaves you is the day you will die. Including animals.
But animals do not have the spirit of God,
they were commanded into existence and so their spirits are of a different source.
But man was created by God with His hand in His own image and He filled man with His breath and man came alive.(The breath become spirit)
The life in us is not the energy we gain from food or anything. Life is a conscious being existing somewhere in our body.
And life is spirit and the day your spirit walks outta you your body becomes useless. Your spirit is of God.
Why do you think salvation searches for man not animals.
And why the devils torments man not animals.
SATAN HAS HATRED TOWARDS GOD.
But satan cannot hurt God. Man is in the image of God (child of God) and man is the only way satan can get back at God.
Even if not getting back at God, cos he hates the Spirit of God, Man possses it so it is automatic he is going to attack man.
The body was made like a horse for the spirit(life) to ride. But many have their bodies riding their spirit.
They have exchange functions.
You should know the horse(body) has no sense of leadership neither can the spirit function as horse.
The horse doesnt have any directions and so will end you up in a gutter or a pit or lake(drown)in other words Hell.
All those who are not using their bodies as horses for the spirit are those who want everything in physical proof.
Anything you want to know should have understanding of the spirit not flesh.
We should walk by spirit not flesh.
Do you know not all angels can go to every planet. The body was made with soil that why we survive here. We even take medication and food from plants. (products of earth or soil)
And everything here rots back into soil, including our bodies....cos the body is just to help us(spirit) live here. Thats why we cannot live on other planets with this kinda bodies cos we dont have that design. Had our body been created in Jupiter, we could live there with no problems .
Some angels actually eg. Satan(no more angel) has been designed with about 3 planets. including earth.
Most angels cannot go to more than two planets. cos they were not given those horses.
And most of them can come to earth. The earth is choked with thousands of spirits who are willing to posses any object given to them cos they cannot go to other planets, the condition is not suitable for them as well on other planets.
So then if we are spirits but not flesh, what is our purpose here?
At the time of adam, we were created to watch over the earth and everything will obey us as we rule over them.(cos we are the image of God).God gave us our own kingdom. But he gave us everything except wisdom and the knowledge of the things that had happened before our existence. (war between the Dragon and his angels and God's angels)
Man was not aware of his enemy.
But was given only one rule not to eat of one tree.(unlike today where we have so many rules).
Even if Adam did anything wrong it was not sin cos he did not know what sin is. plus adam couldn't sin cos he had a glorious body (like that of jesus after his death which jesus is trying to make us get that back through salvation).
In that body, the spirit was dominant over the flesh. Adam could speak to plants,animal etc and travel like angels(angels travel like lightening according to description the bible) probably faster.(Adam's body as horse was the fastest medium even than cars or anything)
Untill sin came in and we fell short of the glorious body and of God's so we couldnt go close to God anymore cos Adam broke the only one rule.(and now we have so many rules)
When the fruit was eaten of the forbidden tree, man was illuminied..Man understood everything and its consequences.(sin)
God wanted us to sin for free but now we have to pay(and jesus paid it all).
And thats our new mission and purpose
to get our life saved once more as simple as that.
But then the devil is persistent in deceiving man. From the time of adam till now.
The devil is actually mocking us calling us fools.....isn't he?
Decieveing and distracting us with science logic and other stupid things which are fully concerntrated on the body. Making us forget about our spirits.
And now we lost Focus.
Man is really stupid. The. devil says.
Life is a rider on a horse on an errand.
What errand are you on? And now that your horse has taken its own course(lost of focus).
The horse(flesh ) is looking for worthless things cos it lacks a sense of leadership and directions to achieve a common goal.Let the Spirit be dominant
1) Science can only observe what is measurable and quantifiable.
2) What is measurable and quantifiable is finite by definition.
3) But if God were finite, then by definition it wouldn't be God.
4) So your claim of “”no evidence for God” is based on either a complete ignorance of the definition of God, or a consciously created Straw Man.
These people almost always put up a consciously created Straw Man which is not God, and then they say the thing they are talking about cannot be God. It's really very stupid stuff. They know God is the One they want to deny, and in reality they are only denying themselves of life.
You really need to stop assuming what we do or do not believe. I understand it's difficult for a theist to even fathom the idea of not believing in their god, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
That said, since I do not believe there is a god, any claims that this god is infinite is trivial. I spent 33 years fully indoctrinated in the Christian religion and am aware of the definition of god, but this definition doesn't provide proof he exists. I also understand the definitions of what centaurs and gryphons are, but those too, do not exist.
2) What is measurable and quantifiable is finite by definition.
Not entirely true. Yes the universe and everything in it is finite, however science does not make this claim with regards to the matter and energy that caused the big bang. In fact science makes no claim as to whether it's finite or infinite because we simply do not know. I know what you're thinking, "we do not know, therefore god." The god of the gaps is not a logical argument.
The fool hath said in his heart, "there is no God". Who says it's hard to understand that an atheist does not believe in God? Who says it's impossible for you to believe in God? Is it unfathomable for you to understand that your view is simplistic?
It's childishly simplistic to say there is no God, any child can understand your belief or unbelief or absence of belief or whatever you want to call your denial of God....
Yet the fact remains...the only One you want to deny is God. All gods are things you can deal with as they are not God. You cannot deal with God on your terms so you must deny Him and pretend like you don't know who you are talking about when you refer to God, and the simplest (most simple minded) way for you to do this is to say things like "which god are you talking about?" I'm talking about God who you want to deny is God, and you can deny that you know that until you are blue in the face. You know it.
You accuse atheists of creating straw men in their arguments, but what you continuously do is the exact definition of what a straw man is. In order to deny your god, such god must first exist. Since you cannot argue the fact I do not believe this god exists, you create a straw man argument that I do believe but would rather deny.
It's childishly simplistic to say there is no God, any child can understand your belief or unbelief or absence of belief or whatever you want to call your denial of God....
On the contrary, the Bible itself calls for people to have faith of a child because for them it's simplistic to accept the Christian god. As an adult you begin to think (well, some of us do) and to have blind faith in something for which there is no evidence doesn't make sense.
You know it.
Again, you are not in the position to make claims of what I do or do not know.
Do you believe what dynamo does? Did you read about ps. smith wigglesworth? Now enough of all this word for word battle. find time and come to my country . pm if you are interested(sylynn). Words wont help you i could have let my white american pastor or english american lecturer here in africa share their experiences but then it will still be useless . You need the experience yourself. You actually have an already made up mind. You just want some words out of us so you too get the chance to spill these weak facts you have been gathering over the years. You just looking for a platform to shine. Well done. By the way do not forget ma offer or you can stay in your country and find a very powerful occult group to join since you tried church and it failed. Try this and it will take you less than 2months to get all the answers. Cos the demonic world is in a hurry. Time is not on their side. They will show you everything so quickly so you start working ASAP.
And they will let you know the only way out is death.(you can trust them on that)
Not to have faith of a child, but to be as a little child. That would be fully dependent on their parents. God wants us to be fully dependent on Him because in reality there is no life and no good thing apart from Him. God wants to give us inheritance in His Kingdom the way a parent wants to give their child a good life.
If you are going to pretend to be telling people what the Bible says, you need to quote the Bible to support your statements. All you did in this one is show you are ignorant of the Bible....and since you claim to have been "indoctrinated" by Christianity for 33 years, I have to conclude your ignorance is willful.
This is the passage you referred to, from Matthew 18:
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
It's about being humbled. That is what rubs you the wrong way because you are proud.
So you want logic . Thats why you think the bible is a myth. Those same scientists who claim God does not exist have made historical proofs outta the bible(google it) even proving christ existed with a sample of his blood from where he was crucified that jesus had just 23 chromosones donated by his mother so jesus did not come by sexual intercourse.(and that is hard fact. look it up). Talking about feeling most pastors in America do not believe in mystical forces.
(which is stupid as a spiritual person and they are men of little faith and also pastoring logic). But to the true churches, you mean a church of 400 members having school drop outs, lawyers, doctors,engineers who keep going without being forced by anyone are stupid? Now about religion in general you mean mohammed Ali was a fool for being a faithful muslim cos you cannot see what sees, Jet li proved mystical abilities live on tv while there were live human audience, The magician Dynamo walking on water and a lot he has done you believe cos you see but you talking about feelings do you feel what Dynamo feels? if yes then you should be able to do what he does and if no thats the difference between you and him. What dynamo does cannot be proven scientifically. Man i tell you its not only christianity you cannot survive in any religion with this character. If you do not humble yourself to learn and understand, your prideful mind just like scientist wont lead you anywhere. you are still saul(not the harrsing type lol) saul and the scribes refused to humble themselves but jesuso christ chose to humble saul & let him see.
That was a favour and you know not everybody get favours.
Most of my pastors are repented drug addicts, gangstars , criminals etc from the 80's & 90's. By The way we have a christian Dynamo .Pastor Smith Wigglesworth(wikipedia)you can surely relate to his God . And please Christianity does not force people to ignore logic. It gives oversight on logic. Thats why logic is not a main factor in God worship cos we see beyond it. Its the difference between travelling with a car using logical signs like traffic lights, zeebra crossing etc and travelling with an aeroplane without road signs but you are able to pay attention to informants(holy spirit in terms of christianity) and you will land safely. Logic is using the roads made for you like formulaes,statistics etc. and if there is no roads to the destination you get stuck and conclude there is no such destination. While using an aeroplane you move over mountains and oceans , a journey without a designed road just instructions is the road. So how can you control the plane when you dont know how to listen. You wanna fly an aeroplane with a car mentality and looking for roads in the sky.
remember, you are talking to a person who does not want logic. Logic requires justice, and that means confinement of sinners in Hell. You are talking to a person who is in condemnation and thinking they can get out of it by denying Justice. They are opposing their own life by denying that God gives them life, they are incurring His wrath, and they are getting the reality they want which is void of God's goodness and that reality is in the fire of Hell.
They are opposing themselves hoping death relieves them of responsibility and suffering. They are fools. They will harass you to no end other than their own end in the fire of Hell as they try to silence you.
The Biblical world and life view is the only belief system which is entirely logical.
Any logic which contradicts God is faulty logic, any logic which denies Christ is God incarnate is faulty logic. Remember, Jesus said "I am ....the truth..". The truth is logical. God operates by law true to His own holy character in righteousness, logic which is not flawed is always on His side for His own glory and purpose. Flawed logic goes against Him, against Christ.
Don't let these fools think they have anything against the Lord Jesus Christ. All they have which they think is against Him in reality is only going against themselves.
If it is measurable and quantifiable, it is finite. You cannot measure God. You cannot begin to measure God. You can begin to measure the universe and continue measuring infinitely outside of the universe defining the measurement according to your established measuring tools. God cannot be measured, there is no point in even beginning to try to measure God. He is infinite. To say any claims He is infinite are trivial claims only proves that half of your brain is locked out behind the wall you have erected in your mind behind which you are trying to hide from God because you know He opposes you and if you can't make Him non-existent, you are in big trouble.
Matter and energy are measurable and quantifiable. They are not infinite, they are confined to the space they are in. If they move around or change forms, they are still where they are and they are what they are though they may be where they were not before and they may be different from what they were before. They are not infinite, they are finite. They are limited. God is not limited except to remain true to Himself which is necessitated by being God and cannot be any other way. You seem to be having trouble with definitions of words, and that is what happens when people try to reason against God.
You seem to be having trouble with definitions of words, and that is what happens when people try to reason against God. I am having no problem with definitions. I already said, we do not know what happened prior to the big bang. but clearly that had to be something. Again, I will not jump to the idea of a supernatural god because it's not needed. I would however posit you are having trouble with definitions as no matter how many times i may say I do not believe in god, you continuously take that to mean I believe but deny.
He is God. What's your problem? Do you have a mental block? You do know who God is, don't you? Or is your brain broken so you can't understand the meaning of the name, God?
You are pretending nature is a supernatural god with power to create life. Atheism is dumb. You claim you believe in nothing supernatural, yet you believe life emerged out of non-living matter which would be a supernatural event. You believe consciousness and intelligence arise from unconscious and unintelligent matter, another supernatural event, then you say you do not believe in the supernatural and you expect me to believe you are intelligent? Sorry. It's dumb to believe in evolution and/or atheism.
Whatever you are referring to as god is not God, the god you are talking about is your own created absurdity which cannot be God. It's a straw man, the god you are talking about is a straw man which cannot be God...duh....you win, the god you talk about, or the gods you talk about, are not God. You have proven that god is not God. Well flubber my lips and look stupid.
I continue to point out that you are creating a straw man which is something you call god or a god, , implying it is God and yet it cannot be God is absurd. Your making an absurd argument, and somehow you think it makes you smart by being absurd. Sorry. You're making a fool of yourself.
Why can't you discuss the topic of the forum here? Why must you always be so stinking rude to people that you refuse to discuss their topic and can do nothing but make absurd statements about a god or gods which cannot be God?
Why don't you make your own debate about your idea of god being an absurdity. I'll tell you why: Because it's boring. The only way you can get any action is by being rude in other peoples debates in which you ignore their topic and stick your stinking atheism in their face.
Hmmmm. You yourself often state that there is no evidence that god doesn't exist and that science is just "theory", then you push "theory" to try to prove the opposite .... strange.
You can ban people who are abusive in language. You can ban people for no reason at all. I wish you would ban some of these idiots who don't know how to talk without spitting profanity in your face. I make the mistake or reading the posts of profane people like DinklePickingFag and Plupiter and get a bag full of profanity in my face before I stop reading and tell myself to avoid their trashy posts......sodomites are the worst, so full of hatred.
That's not really true because even when Jesus Christ was on this earth, and He was performing miracles in front of everybody else and not everyone accepted Him or would believe. And they even had visual proof of what He did.
No, you assume they had physical proof of what he did. We don't have physical proof that they had any kind of proof, so that assertion is unverifiable.
Oh! i never knew proof is a burden. So its simple you think its a burden thats why you lack that knowledge.
And please cos you are not interested in the burden doesn't mean there is no burden.
By the way getting illuminied is not a burden unto me.
Lack of knowledge is like blindess and it wouldnt be a burden but will make me a burden.
Hosea 4:6King James Version (KJV)6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
And i think i have tolerated a lot of questions i shouldn't have. cos the bible says in ◄Proverbs 26:5►Parallel VersesNew International VersionAnswer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.
Or
New Living Translation Be sure to answer the foolish arguments of fools, or they will become wise in their own estimation.
And examples of fools are;
◄Psalm 14:1►Parallel VersesNew International VersionFor the director of music. Of David. The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
COS ALL ANSWERS FORCED OUTTA ME HAVE BEEN IN VAIN.
They ask questions, get answers and see them as mere words as it is. They are not even interested in answers of questions they ask. They just wanna know if i have something to say so if possible they condemn it. (Making what i know worthless so i also believe in their trending......a journey of no direction.....just spinning along with the earth till they die miserably.....no vision...just waiting to devour)
Am not reading that again...if you understand grammar, you should also understand communication barriers.lol
am not even sure if you understand yourself.lmao
THIS IS TO ALL ATHEISTS.....
"Overwhelming EvidenceDr. Thomas Arnold, 19th-century history professor at Oxford, said,“I know of no onefact in the history of mankind which is proved by better and fuller evidence of every sort, to the understanding of a fair inquirer…”Scholar Gary Habermas has pointed out that five historical facts about Christ are all agreed to by nearly all ancientHistorians [three of which are] that He was crucified, buried and was seen again afterward. One of the world’s foremost experts in lines of evidence was Simon Greenleaf, an American attorney and jurist (1783-1853). In his book the “Testimony of the Evangelists” he views the multiple eye-witness accounts of Jesus and His death and resurrection as being valid linesof evidence. They meet or exceed evidential requirements, so much so that Greenleaf saw the “martyrdoms, exponential church growth and the persistent-through-persecution faith of the believers” (often up to the point of death), as solid of evidence that there can possibly be. A leading British philosopher,Anthony Flew, who after fifty years of atheism, came to the conclusion that God must exist, saying“The evidence for the resurrection alone is better than for claimed miracles of all other religions. There leaders are buried and still in their graves. Jesus tomb was found empty!”
If a Man(not ordinary man) into 50yrs(5 decades) of atheism finally believed in God.
There is an empty tomb. That is physical proof of His bodily resurrection.
Atheist say things as if their feelings block out the truth. It is atheists who have no physical proof of what they believe. The same goes for all religions. They have no physical proof of what they believe.
We have an empty tomb. We have a risen Savior. All of Creation is physical proof of Him. The empty tomb is physical proof of His resurrection.
The gospel story continues to be told because of the eyewitnesses of what Jesus did and of who He is. People who knew then, as people who know now, give their lives for the gospel and the gates of Hell cannot prevail against the church founded by Jesus Christ.
I know you know these things. You really did not answer the anti-Christ haters very well here.
I see its a burden giving long explainations. SO I DELETED IT.
I WON'T GIVE YOU THE BURDEN OF PROOF
Ok.....just a little favour.
"Titus Flavius Josephus(37 – c. 100), was a 1st-century Romano-Jewish historian and hagiographer of priestly and royal ancestry who recorded Jewish history,
josephus was a Jew who did not believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God or Christianity. InThe Antiquities of the Jews, book 18, chapter 3, paragraph 3 the famous historian Flavius Josephus writes:“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles.He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”
"Evidence from the Babylonian TalmudThere are only a few clear references to Jesus in the Babylonian Talmud, a collection of Jewish rabbinical writings compiled between approximately A.D. 70-500. Given this time frame, it is naturally supposed that earlier references to Jesus are more likely to be historically reliable than later ones. In the case of the Talmud, the earliest period of compilation occurred between A.D. 70-200.[20]The most significant reference to Jesus from this period states:On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution tookplace, a herald ... cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."
So you see , he was also accused of scorcery(miracle).......
The tomb is empty. That is physical proof that Jesus Christ rose from the grave. The fact that also 500+ witnesses appeared to him in a manner of 40 days.
How is that proof? Someone could have gone in and moved the body. Additionally, those 500 witnesses have no verifiable evidence that they 1. Knew it was him, and 2. That he had, for sure, died before hand.
I am talking legitimate proof, as in something that doesn't require faith.
It's proof because it's empty. No one's bones are there. We would have found bones, but we haven't thus proof of His Resurrection. They wouldn't have moved the body. That was a theory, but it's been debunked.
1. They did actually know it was Him. He appeared to many people, and even to the disciple. Thomas who even doubted the disciples said that he wouldn't believe until He saw Jesus for Himself, and feel Jesus' wounds for himself.
2. He for sure did die because the Romans pierced His side, and water plus blood came out of the wound they had made. That was confirmation that He was dead because if He wasn't they would have chopped his legs off just like the other two guys beside them were.
This is legitimate proof, and it doesn't require faith because we know through history that it happend.
If those. 500people were false witnesses then you are insinuating they were all mad people thinking in one direction(is it possible) or were paid.
I mean who paid 500 people to lie.
Jesus or bill gates.
And i also hate people who dont know what they are talking about.
I hate people who hate things they don't know.
i hate you cos you argue against God and anything there is about christianity without having a clue about the bible or God or anything.
You just talking rubbish and ask stupid questions.....why am i saying this?
"Someone could have gone in and moved the body"
what stupid talk is that ?
is that how to seek knowledge ?
you don't find out anything for yourself and tell me the burden of proof is unto me
Did you know jesus's tomb was guarded day and night by soldiers cos he said he will rise on the 3rd day ...they thought his body would have been stolen by his disciples. And if he did not die why would they bury him. And if he didn't ressurect why did paul the number one tormenter of the christians repent.(he met jesus while he was chasing christians; after ressurection and repented).
Hey Fool...Dont argue cos God allowed you energy in your fingers to type.
If you want to argue Then The Burden(so called) of proof is unto you, not me.
ITS YOUR DUTY.....before you make any further senseless arguements
We have eyewitness accounts from people who's testimony cost them their social and community standing as well as their lives. They knew what they were saying was true, refusing to recant in face of tortuous death. The gospel message continues because it is true and cannot be stopped. Jesus conquered death, it could not hold Him in the ground and all who believe on Him will be delivered from death into eternal life. Sinners can be saved from Hell, sinners can be born again today as a new creation created in Christ Jesus unto good works.
The good news they say is too good to be true, because they know that if they believe it they will have to turn away from their favorite pet pleasures of sin, so they tell themselves that they are too good to be separated from God forever by their sin in Hell, even though they are separated from Him by their sin now and remain in condemnation of death. Then they get mad at you for telling them the truth when in reality they are only mad at God for not letting them have their own way to get what they want.
Exactly! I would LOVE to ignore Donald Trump .... but I can't, he exists!
Still, I wonder how many Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists etc. would be loyal to that "King"?? I, as an Atheist would HAVE to be, I guess. My whole belief would HAVE to change! I could live with that, but, I think that throne will remain empty, not looking at any changes in the future, OR, in the rhetoric of the past among those that want a King.
Jesus will rule the world from Mt. Zion, He's coming back. As foretold, Jerusalem is a cup of trembling for the whole world as nuclear war is on the brink thanks to Arab hatred of the Jews.
Why do you think Hitler wanted to wipe out the Jews? Why do you think the Arabs want to wipe out the Jews? I imagine you have some GOOFY answer, so I'll help...it's because they represent the promises of God in the world. In order to take over the world, you have to negate the promises of God. It's not going to happen, there will always be a remnant of Jews and one day all of Israel will know Jesus is their Messiah who they rejected 2000 years ago.
I could not find anything in the Bible indicating people will be able to ignore God and obey Satan when Jesus reigns from Mt. Zion with all of the kingdoms of the world overthrown by Him.
I simply stated facts based on your own words. I hold no ill desires toward you. You are bringing your trouble on yourself and you will bear it yourself. If you were smart, you would realize it is kindness for me to tell you the ugly truth about your sin. But you are not smart, you are corrupt and you love death, you think your sin is worth more than life so you are losing it all. I may sound harsh as you are harshly against the truth, but really I feel sorry for you. You're on your way to Hell. I don't want my worst enemy to go there....but by wanting to believe God is not good NOW, they are asking for reality void of anything good and that is in the fire of Hell. It's really sad.
Where is "UP"?? Is it from the North Pole? The South Pole? The Equator? When you go "UP" where do you end "UP"?? Wouldn't "OUT" be more accurate? How many light years do we have to go "out" to find this "heaven"?? NASA hasn't come across it yet, and if you go "out" you don't necessarily have to come "down". Down could be toward any of "billions and billions" of stars and planets .... no, it doesn't make sense. The "cherished scientist, Isaac Newton was just considering Earth at that time. Today, what goes "out" doesn't necessarily have to come "down". This kind of logic makes yours, to quote the cherished Mr. Spok, illogical.
First of all can you give a reason why i should say something to impress you?
When you were in kindergarten.....when your teacher saids jump up....did you go the north pole or equator?
Dont be a Fool to talk about NASA and the Kingdom of heaven. Cos we live planets(like aliens) shouldn't necessarily mean God lives in a planet if he mentions Heaven. God created the Universe....He created planets where we can survive...we are surviving.....God is not surving....God is existence itself and also the container for all that exists in it.....Omnipresent.
Those of NASA are not a group thinking robots they are mortal men limited thinking men. Infact they are FOOLS to be searching heaven. No one can go to heaven with this body........Heaven its in their childhood fantacies to see and now that they grown they think they can think to out think God. When they were born just 2days ago.
The bible says Satan hit and threw down stars when he was kicked outta heaven.
Meaning Heaven 'could' be above the stars..... How close has NASA been to a single star?
The word ignoring, suggests response required or expected, without attention of those " ignoring"
They are ignoring, no matter what they believe, because eventually the warrant for their arrest will show up at their door.
Ignoring God, is said, because regardless of peoples thoughts views opinions actions lifestyles their place in life their problems joys sufferings successes happiness sadness etc ... they all will be required to answer to Him. Truth is truth, it is not subjective. And God does not change.
So ignoring is the correct word, because procrastinating, denying, turning a blind eye, flat out rebelling, no matter what the motive or thought or at the heart of ignoring, is ignoring. Because ignoring is an answer too. And we all will answer Him, no matter what manner of ignoring Him.
The Bible has always been both a physical record and a spiritual record. There are aprox 2000 prophesies that have been fulfilled, and aprox 500 prophesies left to be fulfilled, likely some are in process.
For over 6000 years God's Word layers upon layers of prophesies springboards in play stacked one on another.
In the Bible we have a history book made to be an example giving us a wealth of knowledge, wisdom, advise, guidance, and understanding. He directed all of civilization through it.
Every generations goes by, and all people ultimately are in orbit around God, and His Word!
We either love, hate, or ignore Him, but whether we know it or not, God is in the middle, and we all are answering to Him.
If you go anywhere, any mall, assembly, amusement park, airport ... and asked anyone anywhere, to give answer to God and the Bible, you would have almost 100% already have it answered, and will answer in a scripted water down to the punctuation of their answer.
We all have a down pat answer that we have said so often, we don't even realize it! Regardless of the answer it is answered. Ask the same an answer to anything else, and put it into a statistic, I hypothesize that God and the Bible will be the most by rote automatic answer, with only hesitation being how to answer if concerned about other "feelings" or "perceptions" of what they are about to answer.
Other than that I would expect an answer from most all people, every culture, walk of life, age, status, almost all everywhere, already have an answer that can be recalled as automatically as breathing!
Ask anything else, and thought on the subject would precede an answer, because the answer would require a thought unless it were based on their personal interests. But the Bible and God answer would be automatic, even with 0 interest. Even if they say, "I have 0 interest," it would be in tandem with their automatic answer.
As Christians, we hope to challenge their answer so they can answer, while they can. But ignoring an investigative look, to really have interest in truth, and hopefully prepare people to answer to God and the Bible in a way that assures eternal life as opposed to a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth!
This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
The Bible stands in the middle as we go around it, and everyone of us, not one of us hasn't, we all answered.
In every century it was the focus of men. Satan had a short time so he raised up an antichrist who stands between God and man and speakd as if he were God. For over millenniums they martyred the faithful, waged assault on the Word intent to currupt the faith.
Think about it, how did a pope rise to rule the world? Isn't it interesting, all these things are foretold.
You can see Satan’s movements and his demons throughout time, they appear in every era with enslavement and hate growing out of control.
You can see Satan chase after and target Gods people. God's Word and God's people faced brutal hate, and deviations of evil against God's people literally every era from oppressions of the Jews in Egypt, captives in Babylon, under the thumb of Roman rule, to early church martyrdom, the Inquisitions, to Hitler, to Jews and Christians.
This has always been the case, every generation God's Word and His people was standing in the middle. Everyone in every generation answering to Him, many are even on public record. Isn't that wild for such an insignificant book and a non-existent God.
You could ask Egypt and Babylon, Nineve, Sodom, and Gomorrah, where is God and who is God, and even though they worshipped their own gods, they all would step back for a split fraction of a second, and they all answer to the God of Israel.
Each know who God really is. All are aware of Israel's God. All know the message of Jesus. And all have given an answer to Him. Some answers are even recorded, by their own hand, in their own writing, and will be held as evidence against them unless the repent and turn back to Him. Hell wasnt intended for mankind, but if mankind ignores God, well, He won't force on them His Salvation.
So, how many today have answered Him, and have even piled up evidence against themselves in writing? Not only will their hardened hearts and depraved minds seal their sentencing against them, but also in testimony against them, but also their debates, posts, and comments, and their Twitter and their Facebook will be evidence against them.
God is judicial, line upon line. He gives witnesses, and bears witness, he confirms and gives confirmation, stacks of evidence and the kicker He gives it according to every personality, mentality, culture, and to every degree of educated.
He wrote it as simple as simple to the child, He wrote it mathematically and scientifically for the educated. He wrote it Spiritually to the perceptive and intuitive that chase after spiritism, He gave it to everyone in every language and in every culture. He didn't skip anyone. Even nature declares the Creator, so none have an excuse.
We all answer to Him regardless of the rock you crawl under.
How can you be asking which God. Theres only one God. The rest are just creation claiming to be gods. like those fallen angels while there are more powerful angels serving God not claiming to be gods. Those fallen angels have no place to be so they decieve mankind with their nature which seem to be special abilities to us so we bow to them. Man is just limited in this flesh or else they wouldnt claim gods on us if we were in our real spiritual nature of God. And i guess you know what is costing us that right? SIN!!
Theres only one God. The rest are just creation claiming to be gods.
How do you know which one is the one God? Lots of people believe in something different than you with the exact same level of confidence, why are you right and they wrong?
cos i have had both experiences under the so called and the real God been talked about in the bible. one is always like serving under oppression and fear and the real like ......... nvm .lack of this knowledge wont hurt you lol
am not here to convince anyone or type some words to turn people believers. am just answering questions(that i would not like to here still though). i dont need validation. i just need to know that i know what am talking about
I dont care about your logic(what is proof to you). i know what i know. we not doing science here. Science is actually like the last the last born of spirituality. Most scientist who are inventors are white witches . Their inventions all are not influenced by talent but other sources. Talent is even stronger than scientific knowldge. While some people need some formulae to repair a simple radio, i actually have a friend who could fix things others trained (gained knowledge)to couldnt.(he has no training) . so why do we depend on weak science to prove God when science cannot even prove talent
Lots of people believe in religions in which they try to justify themselves. Atheism is one such religion. God justifies sinners by having died in their place to pay their price, and conquered death rising from the dead offering forgiveness so all who believe on Him will be saved. Jesus Christ is what God did for mankind. All other beliefs are religions about what man can try to do to save himself. Jesus is what God did for us.
You can believe all kinds of things trying to justify yourself, or you can believe God Himself died for you to justify your life by paying your price and then offering you forgiveness of the debt you owe as He is risen from the dead.
It's what God did in Christ VS what people try to do in their personally preferred beliefs or religions including atheism.
If they can't tell the difference between truth and lies, it's because they love being deluded to think their is no truth which can be known.
Most of these people hate God and do not want to know His mercy. They think God owes them a "don't burn in Hell" pass, they think they are not so bad that they deserve eternal dying in fire, they think God owes them a pass so they get out of punishment in death. They hate the truth, and they will hate you for telling them the truth. When it's your discussion, you can ban them when they get nasty...and they will get nasty if you keep on presenting the truth of the gospel and their need to be saved from Hell.
yes they argue for those their so called gods to gain gifts per a soul they deceive.
plus they are always threatened by their fellow worshippers who are powerful than them .cos in a spiritual battle among themselves its either win or die. so they have to please their gods to gain more power. its a survival worship. you could meet anything powerful than you and it can kill you but how far powerful can you get when your 'god'(fallen angel) is limited and also has its superiors....you definately gonna die. they have no place in heaven but only their home. where they were created out of brimestone A home called hell. For the real God was not your master, how do you expect him to accept you into his kingdom. You chose to serve His servants that serves him no more
i am saying they are not gods..just self acclaimed. they have believers cos they exhibit some super natural abilities actually given to them by the real God creator of all things including them. They are just fallen angels getting back at God through false worship, misleading man and mocking Him since they are meant to serve us(we the real image of God) but we turn around to serve them.
Imagine your son serving a servant you sacked with fear and panic. That servant is really mocking you.
First off, damn get roasted IAmSparticus, second off. People believe in different things. If your a christian then yes there is only one god. But if your ancient Greek then there are so many that a calculator broke while counting them. It just depends on your religion (which everyone is entitled to their own religion) So I shall assume you mean the Christian god because of you also saying Satan in which I state. Yes people will definitely still worship Satan, maybe not because they hate god but is something that always will make you internet famous.
Man!! you are very funny lol. Which calculator broke counting gods(fallen angels). when lol.
A calculator cannot do simple one(god) plus one(god) plus one plus one lol?
Anyways not argueing though. But some of the gods are repeating. If in Greek it has a different name from being in China, africa , Arab but same qualities or attributes
A lot of these guys are sodomites, they hate God and they hate Christians and they hate the Bible. They will hate you if you are living godly in Christ.
He's creating straw men when he says "which god?", implying there is more than one god so none of them can be God the Creator of All Things.
Usually you waste your time with most atheists and religious people, but it is good practice for being ready to answer the ones who really are looking for the truth.
Most people here hate the truth and they desperately want the truth silenced.
Asking which god is not creating a straw man. It's asking a legitimate question. implying there is more than one god There are claims of many gods throughout the various world religions of the past and present. I understand you don't like this argument because you claim your god is the one and true god, but how do you know? Believers of every world religion will claim their god(s) is/are the true god(s). So, how do you know? Don't say the Bible because the other religions have their holy books. Don't say personal experience because they too have those experiences.
It's just simple logic. God is the creator all all things. He is God, and there is none other beside Him who created all things. If you say there are other gods equal to God, then God is not God because He could not have created things equal to Himself as He was before all things and by Him all things were created. Your "other gods equal to God" is a straw man argument, a created absurdity which cannot be God and which hypothetically implies God is not God. By focusing on your created absurdity denying God is God, you make yourself a fool. Creating things which are not God and then arguing it is impossible for them to be God is pretending that God is an absurdity which you have created, a straw man who is not God. To elaborate on your own created absurdity is the mental exercise of a fool.
You are not following all the arguements here. Cos you are repeating a question about gods which already has been answered. Bear in mind even music, food, money, objects,angels,animals etc can be your god. But christians are not talking about these self acclaimed gods..Cos bill gates has the money to dress like a sultan doesnt mean he is a sultan. And please not because you present some words with aroma means you understand
I understand the arguments; you are however missing the point of mine. I understand Christians are arguing from the standpoint of what they call God, but my point is how do you know yours isn't just another "self acclaimed god"? How do you know you're right and the others are wrong? It's a fairly simple question. The issue is from the side of an atheist, claims about the Christian God are no different than that of any other god. I put no more clout in the Bible than I do the Vedas.
So then you agree my God exists but you wanna know if He is self acclaimed or not. All throughout history about the israelites and egyptians who has been dominant over each other in terms of spiritual colliding among two sides. The God of israel right? Yet egyptians uphold their beliefs in their gods. The so called gods who failed them before the God of israel.
Its actually not sensible for me to argue with words between The Only real God and some stupid so called gods. Its like argueing between the validity of a King and His servants (no more or fired) . U see why christians say there is one God? Cos a kingdom has only one king . And other religions say many gods cos there are many servants in a Kingdom. What annoys me is that you are comparing outcasts to a king(such insult).
If you wanna hear or see these spirits, go to western parts of africa and find out. You can come to ma country so i give you hard proof of demons and God. May be you are just at the wrong places
God is omnipresent.I did not mention only proving God but the gods(fallen angels)Too.Its not about coming to africa its about we meeting one on one. Words wont help.Anyways you were the one demanding the knowledge not me. so if you lost interest , why should i insist. am not famaliar with spiritual places in your country so i cannot go there.but join an occult group. it will be an eye opening. You will be able to tell the difference between christian God any other thing they call god(which you will be worshipping some in occultism)
You are still using a straw man implying there is more than one God and if that were true, neither of them could be the creator of all things so by definition of God, none of your straw men can be God. You create them then you argue that they are not God who created all things. Duh. None of the things you refer to as God are God. You can say that again.
When you talk of "the Christian God", you do not acknowledge Him as the Creator of all things, therefore you are not referring to God but to a straw man who is not God. You call your straw man "the Christian God" and equate it to other gods, therefore it nor any of the other things you talk about are God. They are your own created straw men no better than the space between your ears. You cannot argue against God so you create things which are less than God and say they are not God and you expect people to applaud your intelligence? it's dumb. I know atheists feed on it like starving animals, but it's dumb.
You are creating a straw man still, imagining things which are not God and then saying they cannot be God because they are not God. That's silly. Of course things which are not God are not God. Arguing that things which cannot be God are not God is absurd. That's like saying a tree is not a rock, therefore no tree can be a rock. The things you are presenting which are not God are not God, therefore none of them can be God. Then upholding the things you are saying are not God as things equal to God is the same as saying a tree is not a rock but is the same a a rock, therefore a rock cannot be a rock because it is just another tree. You're running around in circles holding up a straw man which everybody agrees cannot possibly be God. Your own created absurdity is not God.
You have clearly demonstrated you don't understand what a straw man argument is. A straw man argument is simply a tool used when someone, who cannot argue a point, instead creates a different point they can argue. If I were to say I do not believe centaurs exist you would certainly not accuse me of creating a straw man. Stating I do not believe the Christian god exists is not a straw man, nor is my not acknowledging the Christian god as the creator of all things. Again, because you cannot process the idea of someone truly not believing God exists, you will no choice but to assert your claim that it's a straw man.
You certainly demonstrate that you have no wisdom, nor counsel, nor understanding against God by using things that cannot be God and arguing that they are not God. You argue against your own straw men and say they are not God. Duh....very intelligent of you to say that things which are not God actually are not God.
We know what a centaur is. If you say a centar is a god, and then ask why it is not the true God, you have changed the definition of God. To be God, He must be the creator of all things. Anything less than the Creator of all things cannot be God no matter if you call it the Christian God or a Centaur.
Your arguments are all straw men arguments. You present things which cannot be God and then say they cannot be God. What you call "The christian god" is not God. Even if you spell it "The Christian God", you are talking about something less than God when you say there may be things in other religions equal to God. If there are things equal to God, then God cannot be God because to be God He must be supreme. You are creating straw men. It is God you will answer to. Your straw men are nothing but hay for the fire of Hell. Prepare to meet your God.
The Christian god you are speaking of, whatever it is, whatever you imagine it could be, is not God. You are creating a straw man and calling it "the Christian god" which is not God the Creator of all things. Then you say you do not believe the straw man you created exists. Of course it does not exist outside of your imagination, it is not God. Duh. How long does it take for you to figure this out?
If you flat out say, "I do not believe God exists", then you are referring to God. If you say "other gods prove God cannot be God, then you are equating God to a created thing and not acknowledging God by definition is supreme, the Creator of all things, and the gods you equate with God imply God did not create them so God cannot be God. You have created a straw man version of God which is not the creator of all things, then you argue that your straw man cannot be God. Duhhhhh, really?
I can process the idea of somebody truly not believing God exists. It's very easy...you have to be a fool to say there is no God. What's so hard to process about that? It's you who has the mental block behind which you think you can keep yourself hid from God. The fire of Hell will annihilate that mental block you fortify against God. You can find out for yourself, I guess that's the only way you will learn.
It's hard for your brain to process why the Bible says you are a fool, eh?
There is no valid argument against God who created all things. Anything you talk about which did not create all things is not God, but is your own consciously created straw man. The thing you refer to as "the Christian god" is not God who created all things by your own admission, so to say it is God when it did not create all things would be to imply your own consciously created straw man is God when it cannot be God because it did not create all things.....that is absurd, it is the mental exercise of a fool. The things you insist are not God are straw men you invent, then you argue that they are not God. Well duhhhhhh, I could have told you from the start that the things you say are not God are not God. You don't have to write a nonsense book about your silliness.
When you say you do not believe God exists, it comes from your desire to replace God with your own mind...and you work it out in your brain as the mental gymnastics of a fool. You can't be equal to God, you can't imagine God, you can't make Him be non-existent by saying He is not there.
You are indeed creating straw men which are not God and arguing they are not God. That is because you need a tool by which to fool yourself into making excuses for rejecting God.
It's easy to say "I don't believe God exists", and it's easy to believe that. It's a choice of rejecting God. A choice. Period. It's a mental block you put up in your mind. The problem is that you cannot process the idea of God being there, because that process is humbling. You are Hell bent on being better, stronger, smarter than God. Pride goes before a fall, and you are on your way down. Sorry, I know it's hard for you to process the truth.
The only thing you said here which is halfway honest is that you do not believe God exists, but why can't you say that without insulting my intelligence? I said the same thing for a while in my life, it's nothing new or difficult to understand. It's childishly simplistic to say there is no God. It's simple for me to wrap my mind around the fact that you choose to set up a mental block, holding up your hand in a "stop" gesture in front of God's face, telling Him to talk to your hand and refusing to look past your own hand when you say God is not there. You believe there is no God. Wow. Is that supposed to be profound? I have news for you...it's dumb.
God is by definition the creator of all things. To say there is more than one god would mean there are things not created by God yet equal to God. That is self-contradictory, equating gods to God is creating straw men and then arguing that your straw men are not God. Duhh...gods are not God.
You have created an absurdity claiming it cannot be God, then you elaborate on your absurdity like a drunken fool.
I like the way you try to prevent every possible angle of reasoning which might open a hole in your mental block wall behind which you are trying to hide from God. God loves you, trying to hide from God will only keep you away from knowing His love forever if you will not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. All you will know by rejecting God's love is His wrath against your sin.
That's assuming that god exists, which in itself, is a very unlikely and a contested view.
i dont believe people would honestly care. Course most won't believe that it is god, (given most traditional Christians believe Jesus is a republican white guy who is all for merica) while in reality he doesnt care about america, had many socialist views, and was an Arabian Jew.
why do you always relate everything to america in a debate? America is like a wayward child. No parenting. A child has to develop his or her own morality cos parents themselves lack it and parents who can, are in chains of constitution. America has no hope of morality. There are more demons in America than Angels.
Americans are the last people i expect to believe there is God. Demonically corrupted systems
i Like the word TWISTED. And Forced on you is not right.like the way we force our images in the mirror to exactly do as we do and our images act as we please the same way we do to our offsprings(the image we can touch. )But we are the images of God . Whatever feature God has we have. But he does not bound us like we do to our reflection. If God moves up, you the image can choose to move downward , if God goes left the image can choose to go left too or right. So God never forces man. Probably why people heading north and God heading south would never believe there is God.
Oh Man i pitty you. You can force a horse to the river side but you cannot force it to drink. Only the mindset that you are being forced is strong enough to make you see church in bad image. The problem is usually the typa church. You should know not every church is a church. People go to some fake churches and they later have a reason to disbelief christianity. Well who can you blame. Even the bible says we should test the spirit of the churches to see which is true. so dont give up keep testing. Not every church is a church
Atheists are generally perverts....there are some who are decent family people but very few will hold any kind of objective morality especially regarding sexual conduct.
Most of these people are a waste of time to argue with. They think they are self-justified so they are exempt from Hell. They think the God who they reject is the one to blame for their existence and their dying, so they think it is not possible for Him to leave them burning in Hell forever.
Two things make the faith of God in Christ, knowing God in reality, different from all religions.
1) The deity of Christ
2) The promise of eternal confinement of sin in the consuming fire of Hell, with no reprieve there for sinners.
Take away either of these two things and Christ died in vain. God the Creator became God our Savior who died for us to save us from Hell where the worm never dies and the fire is never quenched.
People already are ignoring God today as time is going by. Anything that goes up against God's Word is basically obeying satan because satan wants to lead you astray
So all arguements conclude that, if the creator of all things The almighty God should settle down on earth in a nature in which all eyes both spiritually blind and sightful can see Him people will still turn to satan. Then there is no difference between He being here and not, if man will go ahead and sin(Turn away to satan) anyways. So then we cannot justify our sins by saying God is does not exist or We cannot see him or call it a myth in order to make all His commandments on sin also worthless .
People deny God cos they have judged themselves already that "the wages of sin is death"(real death or condemnation of your soul) then why dont you just surrender all for the gift of God which is eternal life. Right now as God has not come yet, He is the God of love so take advantage and repent now or else the day you fear is coming when He will come as the God of judgement. He is the judge who has given everyday for the thief so they can get the chance to repent. As the sowing days and growth days for the plant came to pass so is the reaping day inevitable. Make hay while the sun shines cos when God comes the sun shall be darkened
He could follow the Platonic concept of the penultimate Philosopher King. Democracy doesn't have some objective, inherent value over non-democratic systems, after all.
Neither do the commands of some cosmic despot have any objective value. God may have created us but it is a non sequitor to think that implies we have any obligation to obey his dictates. If morality comes from reason, as I believe it does, God is not necessarily a good God either. If he were to establish a divine North Korea here on earth, it would strongly imply that he is not good, but malevolent. It is an affront to human dignity to be the slave of any despot. Thus it is apparent to me that we would be justified to revolt.
Furthermore, the God of the Old Testament was obviously evil, if he were to assume the vulnerabilities of a human existence, I believe we would have the added obligation to try him for crimes against humanity. Would that not be deliciously poetic?
Neither do the commands of some cosmic despot have any objective value. God may have created us but it is a non sequitor to think that implies we have any obligation to obey his dictates.
I wasn't saying that it was, at all. I was simply saying that no such moral obligation would exist, as there is no objective moral imperative towards democracy.
If morality comes from reason, as I believe it does, God is not necessarily a good God either. If he were to establish a divine North Korea here on earth, it would strongly imply that he is not good, but malevolent.
If he came down and Established a bunch of Denmark's I don't think that would necessarily prove he was good, either. But in a hypothetical where god exists in a tangible form, then even if morals come from reason, our reason would come from god and therefore morality would come from god.
Mind you I disagree with the entire premise, but the debate in question assumes certain hypotheticals as facts, so I was working within those.
It is an affront to human dignity to be the slave of any despot.
I'm not sure I agree. I would consider it an affront to my dignity, sure, but much of our current concept of dignity stems from being raised in a society that strongly emphasizes individual liberty and autonomy.
Furthermore, the God of the Old Testament was obviously evil, if he were to assume the vulnerabilities of a human existence, I believe we would have the added obligation to try him for crimes against humanity. Would that not be deliciously poetic?
They should get Keanue Reeves to do a "Devil's Advocate" squeal based on that premise.
Honestly, the only point I am really confident in is that even if God existence were obvious, it is a complete non sequitur to conclude we have any obligation to obey him. Also if even if God created reason, it would not follow that he was good as deduced from that reason. An evil God could have created reason that led us to conclude that our God was evil.
"If he were to establish a divine North Korea here on earth, it would strongly imply that he is not good"
Lol...He is God. No one built his kingdom with Him. It was his choice to create anything like man, angel or animal into existence.
So how is creation able to give opinions concerning how to run the universe to the creator. Where was you? When did you come into existence? Who gave you purpose?
And even angels who serve dont feel God is a dictator. The only angel who felt that didnt really feel it, he felt pride.
And finally Man is not a slave to God but a child of God.
Your father may be strict or better to say principled but can't call him a dictator.
I know everything you do is for the good of your children right?even though you might be hard on them
Cos you always know better, they act according to their childish instincts and act for temporary benefits but you see ahead of the future that they dont...right?
And right now you feel you are grown, you know about life enough, you know about God enough, you are experienced enough. And you understand enough as an adult cos you know what you are doing with old age of life experience so you have good reasons to be angry or rebel at God.
But if you are around 40~50yrs old you have all these experience. REMEMBER
Then how much more God who existed before your great grand fathers.(God saw their birth)
The God who was there when one stone grew up into a mountain and broke down into pieces again about thousands years ago before you were born.
And even if you think you know enough how much more him.
If you think your wisdom you have gained through all these ages is that strong, can you it place on a universal beam balance side by side with God's?
As you imagine it now you realise its nothing compared to Gods'.....or you say otherwise?
Just because God knows more that doesn't make him good, just because he is powerful doesn't make him good, just because he created us it doesn't follow that we owe him anything. The whole argument about father knows best was the exact same argument monarchs used against liberty and democracy. He has no legitimate power unless he is elected by a majority.
You are speaking like lucifer....to say God should be elected?
You build your house with your money (no support) and bring hopeless people in to give them hope and now ......... they are supposed to elect you as owner of the house?Seriously?
Ok about goodness.....God is wicked than the devil himself. (no one out weighs him in goodness and wickness)
But what you do not understand is God is not in our circle. We are creation. He is the creator. He created and gave us rules as to how we should live. Those rules of goodness and wickness does not apply to Him. Unless there are two of his kind that those rules could apply .But then as it is....He is the only one of His...none before or after....
He designed His own x box .....filled in the characters he wanted.....named them Man, animal, angel, plant, planet, stars etc.
He chose to call Man his children......Angels servants....etc.
The game pad is in His hands.......our universe is like the television...we can only elect in our circle . He is always looking at us(omniscience)........He is all powerful to end anyone in the game.(omnipotent).
BUT IN THE GAME CHARACTERS HAVE TWO CHOICES ONLY. PICK ONE AND THE GAME CONTINUES.
But the angels have the ability to stay in or out of the game without dying.
If I let the homeless into my home, that would not give me the right to dictate their every action. One is not allowed to torture his child simply because he is their father. Furthermore, the homeless or child analogy are inappropriate since we are independent and intelligent human beings. We have no need for a God. If he exists, he should stay out of our business.
Why should we obey God's rules? Most of them are petty and strange: don't eat pork, don't eat shellfish, don't worship any other God's, women shouldn't speak in church, exterminate the Amalekites, kill all the Midianites but keep their virgins, etc, etc, etc. It seems to me that we should disobey this malicious and evil God and go to his hell knowing that we are better than he!
I really don't understand why you enjoy being the servant of so vile a master. Have you no self respect?
If goodness does not apply to God then why should we obey him? Would you obey God if he told you to commit genocide? Or rape? Or terrorism? If God is not good then it is perfectly plausible that he could make such a request. How can you condemn terrorists if you don't know if God asked them to do it?
"Most of them are petty and strange: don't eat pork,don't eat shellfish, don't worship any other God's, women shouldn't speak in church, exterminate the Amalekites, kill allthe Midianites but keep their virgins, etc, etc, etc. It seems to me that we should disobey this malicious and evil God and go to his hell knowing that we are better than he!"
THAT IS SO OLD TESTAMENT(ABOUT A NATION) OR YOU A JEW NOW?
NOW SEE THIS ABOUT THE FOOD ETC.
"Acts 10:13-16New International Version (NIV)13 Then a voice told him,“Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”14 “Surely not, Lord!”Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”15 The voice spoke to him a second time,“Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet wastaken back to heaven."
THATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM: THE NEW TESTAMENT.
"We have no need for a God. If he exists, he should stay out of our business."
When did your business start? is it before you came into existence? do you know how to come into existence? if you die right now can you find your way into existence again to continue your business?
"If I let the homeless into my home, that would not give me the right to dictate their every action. One is not allowed to torture his child simply because he is their father."
Where did it say God was a dictator or strict in the bible. If God had shown how wicked he could be. Lucifer wouldn't have dared rebel.
God created them according to the purpose He wanted them for. So they don't feel forced. Like a photocopy machine not feel forced to copy cos it its design.
He designed them for worship and service.
So they did not see it as force but they just felt proud.(God's fault for being so linient and good to them after all he didn't see them as threat or competition)
They did not demand a life of their own
They demanded God's position or throne.
So lucifer becomes king.(imagine that).
Of a universe he had no idea of how it was created.
He does know how his fucken "toe" was created.
"How can you condemn terrorists if you don't know if God asked them to do it?"
HOW CAN YOU ASK THIS?
If God speaks to terrorists then what do we make of our pastors and prophets.
Then we might as well go to terrorists for confession of sins, healing, prophecies and salvation.
Why do skeptics feel the need to hinder faith, insisting on changing every reference to God. Do they think their atheism is the only "faith," that exists. Even overthrowing God, as if you could. FYI, Jesus laid down His life for us, no one took it!
Skeptics in fields of academia steer thought, it is militant anti Christianity, and anti God. Why do they feel as though they are authorities when they cant report anything from the other side?
They each will be accountable to God as stumbling blocks.
God is rebutting and debating with them. “Come let us reason together… as they harden their minds and hearts, God mocks them in their foolishness.
A.D. and B.C. Skeptics in academic studies try to redefine the universal timeline with a measure of matter of fact, as though one is precise and the traditional is dated and archaic.
I think it's kind of humorous, God mocks them from a timeline right under their noses.
He defines our times!
Is all of time divided by Pharoah or Cesar or Mohammad? No!
Jesus divides time just like in the Bible YHWH divides in the middle writing in both directions. With Jerusalem as a mid point! Do you think they made a deal with Assyria and other countries to make sure everyone followed this so it would eventually be authenticating of Biblical Divine signatory?
Western nations weren't even established when the TORH was written, yet it is prophesied and directed in the Word given to the custodians of His Word. This shows in a way how God watches over every letter and word of pertinent to the integrity of His entire Word to His children, Israel and the Church.
The curious, shocking, and equally amazing, not only is language divided by a midpoint of Jerusalem, God's design of chosen people, but this display crosses over the same book that the tower of Babel is told, which is about God confusing language in diversity, is it a coincidence? Then He perches on a timeline, and Jesus universally defines time, A.D and B.C.!
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All languages EAST of Jerusalem write Right to Left.
All languages WEST of Jerusalem write Left to Right.
We have this also - torh spelled reading in two directions in Hebrew. Backward and forward with YHWY in the middle.
Are There Hidden Codes
in the Biblical Text?
The secrets of the Torah are revealed... in the
skipping of the letters.
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49 (72) letter sequences:
• Genesis TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Exodus TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Leviticus ? YHWH in a 7 pattern, square root of 49
• Numbers HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Deuteronomy HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
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• Leviticus (in Intervals of 7) - YHWH
The Torah Always Points to YHWH!
The Torah Codes
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Then to have Jesus, the Jewish Messiah, told of throughout the TORH and all the Jewish prophets take His place and as told the Gospel goes out to the entire world.
And humorously, Jesus becomes the focus of the world, just like Jerusalem became a people in the center of people, Jesus becomes the definition of time itself.
Jesus divides time for our apponted times, dating our generations, uniting information and clarifying communication of peoples and nations, as our dating is in uniformly, while in the first instance language was scrambled to confuse man from their own efforts to Heaven, dividing time put peoples and nations on the same page regarding dating facts, and understanding prophesy. Even at four years off, we are still dating uniformly.
So then Jesus, who according to the Bible, appoints our days, our times, our events, our findings, and our years. It is as Jesus is sitting on the timeline, showing Himself as the definer of time.
Ironically, regarding skeptics who use universal dating, in fields skeptics gravitate and control, often with peer pressure to defy God, and to educate in purpose to disprove God, sit resentfully grappling with this glaring mockery of their blindness.
As skeptics scream, squirm, and fuss at it, attempting to rename it, and to redefine time by adding letters to invalidate Jesus, and give credibility to their disclaimers of God.
To me this to me seems like a visible example of how God mocks them!!
With a universal timeline placed throughout all out history, and right under their nose as He mocks them as fools in the fields of their skepticism.
These three crazy coincidences seem to confirm God as indisputable! By three witnesses related to each other. And this is only a drop in the bucket out of stacks of evidence proving God beyond a shadow of a doubt.
The world and languages go from reading left to right or right to left. Most written languages were in process of developing. Like time, written language is directed like a directors chair perched in Jerusalem.
The world and languages go from reading left to right or right to left. Most written languages were in process of developing. Like time, written language is directed like a directors chair perched in Jerusalem.
I havn't seen anything debunked with anything convincing or solid.
Just speculation from starting after life existed already.
So basically scientist play the Sesame Street game, what three things look like the others la la la....
So what, we all have tongues, and stomachs and lungs. But we somehow because we share a process of blood flow, eating, and breathing we are all animals with parts of each other.
Entropy is the self defeating principal that dismisses evolution as a viable option. You really have to be uninformed and without considering basic logic and reasoning, and to continue to believeve it against sound reasoning, well thats just self declaring as a fool!
India was Westernized but had Arabic writing, and now has both. You do have colonization of England, and India was Westernized. I know several who use British phrasing.
So they have Western influence, and they consider themselves as western. And Arabic was often used in their early history.
China and Asian Countried and Russia write or wrote up and down, and went either direction. With some weird flexibility.
So thats even stranger! Thank you!
These are both North, and what's interesting is Far North is known is directional meeting with Heaven, the waters at the North pole region. Which is interesting, since if they thought the world were flat, it would have been quite a trick to identify North at the top, where we look up to heaven, top of the world is North.
And also the final battle will be from the Northern region, likely Turkey, which is ancient Assyria, and the ruler who sets up in Jerusalem in the final act, is said would be "Assyrian"
So them writing in a horizontal format its like everything in God's Word will be falling down on our heads!
India was Westernized but had Arabic writing, and now has both. You do have colonization of England, and India was Westernized. I know several who use British phrasing.
So they have Western influence, and they consider themselves as western. And Arabic was often used in their early history.
China and Asian Countried and Russia write or wrote up and down, and went either direction. With some weird flexibility.
So thats even stranger! Thank you!
These are both North, and what's interesting is Far North is known is directional meeting with Heaven, the waters at the North pole region. Which is interesting, since if they thought the world were flat, it would have been quite a trick to identify North at the top, where we look up to heaven, top of the world is North.
And also the final battle will be from the Northern region, likely Turkey, which is ancient Assyria, and the ruler who sets up in Jerusalem in the final act, is said would be "Assyrian"
So them writing in a horizontal format its like everything in God's Word will be falling down on our heads!
India was Westernized but had Arabic writing, and now has both. You do have colonization of England, and India was Westernized. I know several who use British phrasing.
So they have Western influence, and they consider themselves as western. And Arabic was often used in their early history.
China and Asian Countried and Russia write or wrote up and down, and went either direction. With some weird flexibility.
So thats even stranger! Thank you!
These are both North, and what's interesting is Far North is known is directional meeting with Heaven, the waters at the North pole region. Which is interesting, since if they thought the world were flat, it would have been quite a trick to identify North at the top, where we look up to heaven, top of the world is North.
And also the final battle will be from the Northern region, likely Turkey, which is ancient Assyria, and the ruler who sets up in Jerusalem in the final act, is said would be "Assyrian"
So them writing in a horizontal format its like everything in God's Word will be falling down on our heads!
India was Westernized but had Arabic writing, and now has both. You do have colonization of England, and India was Westernized. I know several who use British phrasing.
So they have Western influence, and they consider themselves as western. And Arabic was often used in their early history.
China and Asian Countried and Russia write or wrote up and down, and went either direction. With some weird flexibility.
So thats even stranger! Thank you!
These are both North, and what's interesting is Far North is known is directional meeting with Heaven, the waters at the North pole region. Which is interesting, since if they thought the world were flat, it would have been quite a trick to identify North at the top, where we look up to heaven, top of the world is North.
And also the final battle will be from the Northern region, likely Turkey, which is ancient Assyria, and the ruler who sets up in Jerusalem in the final act, is said would be "Assyrian"
So them writing in a horizontal format its like everything in God's Word will be falling down on our heads!
That's because you don't understand Spiritual things. It used to be, that lost people actually could understand Spiritual things. But the new age of list, is dense beyond what I could have imagined.
So if God exists, and you were aware that without much argument there is more evidence Hre does than that He doesnt exist, then what would you respond?
IF there was evidence to support the existence of God, I would imagine most Atheists would acknowledge God exists. Since no such evidence exists I see this is merely hypothetical so I'm not sure where you're headed with this.
"Anthony Flew(philosopher), who after fifty years of atheism, came to the conclusion that God must exist, saying“The evidence for the resurrection alone is better than forclaimed miracles of all other religions." "
Please which atheist here is knowledgable than that atheist about what you all donot believe.
which atheist here is 5decades old in this belief of atheism?
You all atheist here make empty arguements.
It took that Anthony Flew 50yrs to find out the truth. And he did find out sitting around and blaming God outta bitterness for probably something went wrong that happened to 'their' mother or sister or 'themselves' or someone that 'they' loved or an opportunity that 'they' lost, just anything that went wrong like you people do.
Am not sure any atheist has a valid reason to hate God.
Probably something went wrong and you placed the blame on God hating him everyday and then realised the guy are hating is not physical like man that you can punch him in the face or interrogate him and so decided to say he does not exist or else it will seem like you are hating something that does seem physical and cannot really tell his role in clear picture like a human being that he played. And you finally called God an imagination....just a religious stupid thing. And you have been carrying all these loads for years. Though you say God doesnt exist, you one way or the other believe he is and you hate him if those suspicions are true.(those suspicions are personal everyhuman has them....and its not because of what someone has said .it keeps coming around your mind and i tell you that is your spirit given by God trying to prove itself)
Atheists...your load is too heavy. let them go. and just say one prayer. Forget about the past. You are not the first to hate God not the last but God is still everlasting while every one of those died.
Died with their burdens. Now atheism grew up to blend with pride and demonic manipulations of the mind of the hosts.
◄Matthew 11:28►Parallel VersesNew International Version"Come to me, allyou who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.New Living TranslationThen Jesus said, "Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavyburdens, and I will give you rest.
Atheism is not a belief.
Its a family of bitter people and heavy burdens. Thats what all atheist share in common. I wonder how you people sleep soundly.
If you like google atheists who are now repented christians. i think they speak your language. know christ before its too late
"That’s the story with SteveTillman, too. Tillman used to run a nonprofit called Atheists of Northern Indiana and hosted an Internet show bashing Christians, but he closed it all down several months ago. Why? He came to realize how much he’d been suppressing the truth about God existingcand cried out the Jesus for forgiveness. Not long after he had a dream of Jesus forgiving him.According to Tillman, he realized how much power there was in the prayers of his believing wife. She never gave up on his salvation.
EVEN MY OWN PASTOR'S UNCLE IS AN ATHEIST.
My pastor said hi started reading the bible about a month ago "to find out if there is any truth about the myth in thes bible"
I DO NOT KNOW THE RESULTS YET . BUT OUR CHURCH IS PRAYING FOR HIM INSTEAD HATING HIM BACK.
Your incredibly long response has one vital flaw. You don't know what an atheist is. Atheists do not believe God exists and you cannot hate something that isn't even real.
atheists hating God was just a scenario about how 88% were born into atheism.
plus i took my definition from this debate- of -atheist. and you can bear witness with me a lot of y'all hate God not the general definition
The scenario is just saying things go wrong people and the only one they blame is God.....and they keep hating untill they say they dont wanna be called crazy for blaming something that doesnt seem real and logic and they skip hate to disbelief. so they can account for anything that happens to them logically.
cos even if some atheists get the proof God exists then they have to reflect on their past and exchange disbelief for hatred again. so to make things easy in their minds......God doesnt exist or any other deity.....
Get the context(they should let go unto God)
not the content(most atheists hate God)
PLUS I GAVE EXAMPLES OF REPENTED ATHEISTS.
they speak your language...you can relate to them.
I think God is proven, as science is grappling with these things, with a scientific awareness of properties related to time, and light and invisible dimensions, the microcosm, and macrocosm, and even the theorie of science is saying, our universe exists without a point of singularity, meaning the universe is finite. Which still what's on the other side?
And even in Steven Hawkins creative dome of "curved space" which he claims has properties able to cause it all to "create itself," from within itself, well what is in the microcosm?
How about common sense? These are all discussed by people without a particle accelerator!
All these concepts have been described in a book 1000s of years ago. For being a top notch physicist, how can you not ask if Biblical knowledge and concepts are curiously applicable, then why and how do these concepts make it into the Bible, but it doesn't just simply make it into the Bible. It's consistent through every writer, it is the entirety of its mrssage!
Some of the Bible authors expand the concepts even more than the others.
And then Jesus took these concepts out, and showed them expanded for understanding that surpassed their language and their advancements!
Giving understanding to the foolish Bible writers and God's people that confound the intelligent, and are just unraveling now to modern Quantum Physicists.
So I can see why God said over and over He will make fools of the wise and intelligent and make geniuses out of the simple.
Simply put, we understand Quantum Physics by the simple way of faith, and Quantum Physics took 6000 years to gain an outline of its complications.
Whereas by faith, we have lived it. So we understand it, by understanding simplicity, they are too smart to understand it even when the principles we have always known in faith have "come to light."
Maybe in some way, everything that is hidden comes to light, and those who love darkness can't experience light, is this property.
God will mock them by their own intelligence, as their own intelligence should have pointed them to the Creator, the Word of God, created all things.
So is it any wonder that Quantum Physics is strung through like connecting strings throughout the Bible?
The math is there, it is summed up in this, they choose to worship and serve the creature rather than the Creator, even though Creation itself confirms God so everyone of us is without excuse.
Aren't we seeing Creation itself confirming everything God ever said?
I think so!
That's when common sense then is more advanced then science!
If these Physics principles are true Mr Steven Hawkins of Physics Science, then how are they know by the ancient prophets?
There are several scriptures that say space has some density. According to scripture, Heaven (space) can be bent, can be shaken, rolled up, bent like a tent for God to enter and dwell in. Scripture has defined light as a property that transcends present and goes into past presents and future at one time.
Elijah in a battle shows dimensions to his servant by praying Lord show him, and the servant saw angels ready for battle. In an unseen, unknowable dimmmension.
Mathmatics?
The Bible is riddled with patterns of mathmatical proportions beyond their possible advancements!
Pi is found in the Hebrew numerical value of Genesis 1:1 the equation of advanced math "e" found in the Greek numeric value of John 1: 1 - Both of these scriptures announced Creation.
So to find advancements of math are indicative of purposeful design right in the 1st verses of both the old and new Testament are interesting to say the least!
And written language even its direction Hidden in the text showing both ways with YHWY in the middle in math equation of divisibility by the famous number "7" And these are just puzzle pieces, but they fit together like the are one picture scattered in pieces that undeniably are pieces of ONLY one picture.
How does that happen through 1000s of years and 66 writers that make up One Book? God's Word to mankind, in one Singularity, "One Bang" One - the smallest division that is the single point of Oneness, in Quantum Physics, is God in the microcosm?
It seems to me that the micro cosmetology is the point of Creation. We find God in a Kingdom of Light that is One. We are stones making up this One Kingdom, not divided against itself, because it is divided down to its oneness of division, where no division beyond it exists. ONE! The Lord our God is ONE!
Can you imagine when God unravels all his secrets hidden in the text, how foolish smart men like Steven Hawkins will be on that day?
And think about it, two languages used to write the Bible, Hebrew and in the time of Jesus Greek.
Two languages where each letter conveys three interpretive properties. multi- dimensional thought in writing!
letter value to form words, picture value for understanding concept, and numeric value to code writing in diversities as complicated as DNA coding. Which if applied may suggest digital coding, a hologram, living in a matrix with dimensions of unseen particles right next to us. Which some can perceive and others are dull to.
It's unusual when you look st the Bible from a prespective of God in physics and mathmatics.
And appearances of "ufos" are curious they seem to come and go through dimensions. Well the Bible talks about this in
I think this warfare mentioned in the Bible at the very least is hands down curious and to the wise should be investigated.
Even the Resurrection is a dimensional concept. And the Bible weirdly went out of its way to highlight these things. And science proves God everyday. Can we box God in by science, but because within this crazy book, every crazy science advancement is detailed!
So the common sense would be who told the guy without technology that Light is eternal and can be everywhere at once?
Or that right next to us are dimensional factors of presence that can't be seen with the physical eye, like in many places but Elijah is a good example?
Or that genes can be manipulated and cross mutated on purpose with creatures to make unnatural creation by manipulating basic natural creation?
Or that a hair on the head is knowing us, our individuality in a hair?
Or a transformation of our physical bodies by a twinkling of an eye which is speed of light as seen in photography, the speed of light that enters the pupil of the eye?
And the references to these, Like when Jesus says if the eye
has light the body is full of light. so we have Jesus describing
a transcending of dimension by Light in the eye, transforming our mortality to immortality, and in Thessalonians it's described as happening in a "twinkling"
How did they know the speed of light that transcends our physicality? Or time? Or the place where light in arc of direction is an eternal property. Where light speed is so fast that time stands still. Or that the theory of Quantum Physics shows what the Bible says the sword of His Word dividing to the smallest possible division.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
The whole Bible is physics. String Theory?
Hmm oneness?
The last final division possible in physical locality, results in non-locality, and it becomes one with everything.
How much is Oneness discussed in the Bible?
It's weird to have all these concepts rolled up and discussed exhaustingly from Genesis to Revelations!
Oneness, God, the Trinity, The Spirit within us, Oneness within us making communication with God possible by breaking down our physical consciousness and opening up our dimensional consciousness.
Oneness, able to communicate in subparticles in many degrees of division to the marrow! not through expansion out but in. The wheels in Ezekiel shining with eyes all around it, inside each other by way of projecting dimensions within dimensions.
God is found in the lowest possible division, where one singularity exists as a Kingdom that cannot divide against itself! Hello? Is God in Science? Well hasn't He described it all along?
What holds a Kingdom together, and what divides a Kingdom.
Matt 12
25 And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
27 If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
30 He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
If the god of the Hebrew bible was alive on Earth today he would be stoned to death for gross negligence.
For being an absentee landlord.
For allowing even his most devout worshipers to suffer. Why are the most religious states in the USA also the poorest? Why are the most religious countries in the world the poorest?
If god were alive on Earth he would be summarily impeached. He would be found guilty of mass murder; of ethnic cleansing; of murdering children (see: the Passover) and of admitting that he killed innocents. Like when he said he would lay his wrath on generations to come after finding somebody guilty of something that pissed him off.
If god were alive today he would be laughed at for his bad science. Seems that a modern day 10 year old knows more science than ol' Yahweh did. Otherwise, why would the nutjob Yahweh have thought he could stop the sun from moving in the sky (?) in order to allow his peoples more time to slaughter their enemy?
Satan would be shown to have been our TRUE friend after all. It would be shown that, contrary to the censored and edited bible stories, that Satan actually CHOSE to leave Heaven because he got sick and tired of the malevolent Yawheh unduly punishing mankind for petty and capricious reasons. Check the bible: Yahweh killed millions. Satan killed nobody.
If both were alive, after a long and thorough trial, Yah-Yah would be either imprisoned for life or executed, while Satan would be awarded a huge financial settlement for compensation for enduring slander and undue hardship and punishment.
Yahweh would go to prison and hire a writer to do his biography, called "If I Did It" which would deny that he did all this shit from the bible. But he would tell how he WOULD have done it, IF he did it. Like OJ did with his book. LOL
Satan would become a celebrity and do the talk show circuit, and also a millionaire from his lawsuit and awards for damages. Hell, (see what I did there?) he might even become President!
Please do you arrest obama while he is president?No? After he leaves office and becomes a normal human on your level .right?
But here is the case God was God before everything.
Before ; The First;tree,man,animal,angel and any other object.
All These mentioned ....he brought and designed into existence. You don't walk side ways but forwards because its his design. Angels move sideways(thats what will call it), forward and backwards because they have four faces and its God's design. And they are principles of God we obey everyday and cannot do anything about it. You obey God everyday.(Just natural principles)
And now he made laws. Those we chose to disobey. (alright)
And we you made your own systems most similar to his but most favouring our flesh.
laws are for creation. God is the creator.
There is no prison that can hold God. Infact no earthly prison can hold satan not to talk of God.
And if God is president, he was and is president before any existence(unlike the type of obama's).
He elected himself. And he does not deal with time. Time is for Creation .He is a creator.
Every law here on earth is stupidity in God's eyes and he just concerned cos he created us. laws are for the league of creation.
He made every metal in which metal are you going to imprison him with?
You cannot look God in the face(not even the angels can)not to talk of arresting him when he is not using this flesh. If God has our flesh then why is he God? This flesh is for only earth and God can Go to every planet.....so don't say such shit about arresting him.
And if someone is worshipping God is still poor, then they don't know what they are doing.
When jesus had to pay tax he did not beg for money. He took money outta the mouth of a fish .
when people he was preaching were hungry....he made bountiful food for them and some was still left.
when a prophet who died family was in debt and his son was about to go into slavery for that were provided for by God.
They only had little oil and God made them collect all jars from their neighbours ans filled it all up and the oil stopped flowing when the jars got finished.
King solomon was given riches when he asked for wisdom.
Moses fed his people with bread from the sky. And when they demanded meat when they got tired of bread, God made birds fly to their location and died droped from the sky so they could eat.
When they wanted water, he gave them water from a rock.
He is God the provider. He has the streets of gold. Gold is what we value here and God uses it as cement or tiles and walks on it.
Its not logic to worship God and be broke.
You can worship him with no money in your pocket but he is the provider.
He made water come outta a rock.
He manipulate hosts.
Matthew 7:7-8King James Version (KJV)7 Ask, and it shall be givenyou; seek, andye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; andhe that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
And ask with faith not with second thought.
Ask like you own an account in the bank of heaven cos you do.
So its not logical that they are poor.
I don't know who, what or how they were trained in their faith
If God was alive on Earth today in human form, His name would be Jesus and your suggestion that He be stoned to death is pretty much what they did to Him (they tried to stone Him before they crucified Him)..then He conquered death offering them forgiveness of their sins. You are one of them, Slappy, your on the losing side fighting against God.
I think God is proven, as science is grappling with these things, with a scientific awareness of properties related to time, and light and invisible dimensions, the microcosm, and macrocosm, and even the theorie of science is saying, our universe exists without a point of singularity, meaning the universe is finite. Which still what's on the other side?
And even in Steven Hawkins creative dome of "curved space" which he claims has properties able to cause it all to "create itself," from within itself, well what is in the microcosm?
How about common sense? These are all discussed by people without a particle accelerator!
All these concepts have been described in a book 1000s of years ago. For being a top notch physicist, how can you not ask if Biblical knowledge and concepts are curiously applicable, then why and how do these concepts make it into the Bible, but it doesn't just simply make it into the Bible. It's consistent through every writer, it is the entirety of its mrssage!
Some of the Bible authors expand the concepts even more than the others.
And then Jesus took these concepts out, and showed them expanded for understanding that surpassed their language and their advancements!
Giving understanding to the foolish Bible writers and God's people that confound the intelligent, and are just unraveling now to modern Quantum Physicists.
So I can see why God said over and over He will make fools of the wise and intelligent and make geniuses out of the simple.
Simply put, we understand Quantum Physics by the simple way of faith, and Quantum Physics took 6000 years to gain an outline of its complications.
Whereas by faith, we have lived it. So we understand it, by understanding simplicity, they are too smart to understand it even when the principles we have always known in faith have "come to light."
Maybe in some way, everything that is hidden comes to light, and those who love darkness can't experience light, is this property.
God will mock them by their own intelligence, as their own intelligence should have pointed them to the Creator, the Word of God, created all things.
So is it any wonder that Quantum Physics is strung through like connecting strings throughout the Bible?
The math is there, it is summed up in this, they choose to worship and serve the creature rather than the Creator, even though Creation itself confirms God so everyone of us is without excuse.
Aren't we seeing Creation itself confirming everything God ever said?
I think so!
That's when common sense then is more advanced then science!
If these Physics principles are true Mr Steven Hawkins of Physics Science, then how are they know by the ancient prophets?
There are several scriptures that say space has some density. According to scripture, Heaven (space) can be bent, can be shaken, rolled up, bent like a tent for God to enter and dwell in. Scripture has defined light as a property that transcends present and goes into past presents and future at one time.
Elijah in a battle shows dimensions to his servant by praying Lord show him, and the servant saw angels ready for battle. In an unseen, unknowable dimmmension.
Mathmatics?
The Bible is riddled with patterns of mathmatical proportions beyond their possible advancements!
Pi is found in the Hebrew numerical value of Genesis 1:1 the equation of advanced math "e" found in the Greek numeric value of John 1: 1 - Both of these scriptures announced Creation.
So to find advancements of math are indicative of purposeful design right in the 1st verses of both the old and new Testament are interesting to say the least!
And written language even its direction Hidden in the text showing both ways with YHWY in the middle in math equation of divisibility by the famous number "7" And these are just puzzle pieces, but they fit together like the are one picture scattered in pieces that undeniably are pieces of ONLY one picture.
How does that happen through 1000s of years and 66 writers that make up One Book? God's Word to mankind, in one Singularity, "One Bang" One - the smallest division that is the single point of Oneness, in Quantum Physics, is God in the microcosm?
It seems to me that the micro cosmetology is the point of Creation. We find God in a Kingdom of Light that is One. We are stones making up this One Kingdom, not divided against itself, because it is divided down to its oneness of division, where no division beyond it exists. ONE! The Lord our God is ONE!
Can you imagine when God unravels all his secrets hidden in the text, how foolish smart men like Steven Hawkins will be on that day?
And think about it, two languages used to write the Bible, Hebrew and in the time of Jesus Greek.
Two languages where each letter conveys three interpretive properties. multi- dimensional thought in writing!
letter value to form words, picture value for understanding concept, and numeric value to code writing in diversities as complicated as DNA coding. Which if applied may suggest digital coding, a hologram, living in a matrix with dimensions of unseen particles right next to us. Which some can perceive and others are dull to.
It's unusual when you look st the Bible from a prespective of God in physics and mathmatics.
And appearances of "ufos" are curious they seem to come and go through dimensions. Well the Bible talks about this in
I think this warfare mentioned in the Bible at the very least is hands down curious and to the wise should be investigated.
Even the Resurrection is a dimensional concept. And the Bible weirdly went out of its way to highlight these things. And science proves God everyday. Can we box God in by science, but because within this crazy book, every crazy science advancement is detailed!
So the common sense would be who told the guy without technology that Light is eternal and can be everywhere at once?
Or that right next to us are dimensional factors of presence that can't be seen with the physical eye, like in many places but Elijah is a good example?
Or that genes can be manipulated and cross mutated on purpose with creatures to make unnatural creation by manipulating basic natural creation?
Or that a hair on the head is knowing us, our individuality in a hair?
Or a transformation of our physical bodies by a twinkling of an eye which is speed of light as seen in photography, the speed of light that enters the pupil of the eye?
And the references to these, Like when Jesus says if the eye
has light the body is full of light. so we have Jesus describing
a transcending of dimension by Light in the eye, transforming our mortality to immortality, and in Thessalonians it's described as happening in a "twinkling"
How did they know the speed of light that transcends our physicality? Or time? Or the place where light in arc of direction is an eternal property. Where light speed is so fast that time stands still. Or that the theory of Quantum Physics shows what the Bible says the sword of His Word dividing to the smallest possible division.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
The whole Bible is physics. String Theory?
Hmm oneness?
The last final division possible in physical locality, results in non-locality, and it becomes one with everything.
How much is Oneness discussed in the Bible?
It's weird to have all these concepts rolled up and discussed exhaustingly from Genesis to Revelations!
Oneness, God, the Trinity, The Spirit within us, Oneness within us making communication with God possible by breaking down our physical consciousness and opening up our dimensional consciousness.
Oneness, able to communicate in subparticles in many degrees of division to the marrow! not through expansion out but in. The wheels in Ezekiel shining with eyes all around it, inside each other by way of projecting dimensions within dimensions.
God is found in the lowest possible division, where one singularity exists as a Kingdom that cannot divide against itself! Hello? Is God in Science? Well hasn't He described it all along?
What holds a Kingdom together, and what divides a Kingdom.
Matt 12
25 And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
27 If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
30 He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.