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If Homosexuality is accepted, why shouldn't consensual incest be accepted?

To make it more clear for you guys. I am not talking about relationships where there might be power imbalance like Parent/Offspring. Lets talk about how two siblings being together is different than a homosexual couple being together. If its a brother/sister relationship let us assume the brother went for a procedure to make himself unable to reproduce so that you don't give me the argument of unhealthy kids. 

They are the same thing

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They are different issues

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"If [heterosexual relationships] are accepted, why shouldn't consensual incest be accepted? Lets talk about how two siblings being together is different than a [heterosexual] couple being together. "

See the problem there? The question applies to heterosexual couples just as much, if not more, as it does to homosexual couples.

My personal opinion is that as long as a relationship is between consenting adults and no one is being harmed, people should be able to date whomever they want. Who am I to tell them how they should live their life.

Side: They are the same thing
Sleman(25) Clarified
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See the problem there? The question applies to heterosexual couples just as much, if not more, as it does to homosexual couples.

Yes of course it applies to heterosexuals as well but no one is against heterosexuality. What homosexuality and incest have in common is the backlash of society towards them. They both don't apply to the majority of people.

My personal opinion is that as long as a relationship is between consenting adults and no one is being harmed, people should be able to date whomever they want. Who am I to tell them how they should live their life.

So shall we then permit incest marriage legally? Shall we educate our young on how its normal for siblings/family members to engage with each other romantically, etc.?

I mean these are the kinds of rights the LGBT are pushing for. No one cares about consenting homosexuals dating each other, its all about the marriage, education, and propaganda issues.

Side: They are the same thing
LittleMisfit(1745) Clarified
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What homosexuality and incest have in common is the backlash of society towards them. They both don't apply to the majority of people.

Why does that matter? Society had a backlash against freeing slaves and treating women equally, so are those comparable to incest too?

So shall we then permit incest marriage legally?

Only if they are willing to get sterilized first.

Shall we educate our young on how its normal for siblings/family members to engage with each other romantically, etc.?

No, because of the dangers of mutant children. Approximately [40% of all childbirths are to unmarried women.[1] More than 200,000 of those births are to teens.[2] If incest becomes normalized, many babies will be born with harmful mutations, because most people have sex before marriage.

I mean these are the kinds of rights the LGBT are pushing for.

Why shouldn't they? Why should heterosexuals be allowed to marry, but gays not be allowed to marry, when the only difference between the two is the shape of their genitalia and their ability to procreate via sex?

No one cares about consenting homosexuals dating each other

Tell that to all the gay people who get bullied and beat up for it.

its all about the marriage, education, and propaganda issues.

Gay marriage doesn't pose any more of a danger than heterosexual marriage, so there is no reason to allow one and not the other.

Side: They are the same thing
4 points

It is because societies didn't want to have mutant kids with birth defects that a tradition arose around spurning incest. So I'll answer you two ways...

1) IF there is zero chance of an offspring coming from the relationship (such as the family members are the same gender, or at least one is physically incapable of a pregnancy) THEN their love, although still creepy, should probably be accepted. And indeed, this is the scenario most parallel to homosexual relations. But

2) IF there is any chance of a biological offspring coming from the relationship than the same historic objection to incest still rings true.

Side: They are different issues
1 point

Wow. Okay, then. I see that someone has a LOW IQ. Lets back up a bit.

First off, incest and gay marriage are NOT the same thing. Lets make that VERY clear.

Second, gay marriage doesn't mess up the gene pool.

Third, you're making a fool of yourself because you're showing how intolerant you are, but you're not coming up with another argument.

Try again.

Side: They are different issues
Sleman(25) Disputed
1 point

LOL. Thank you! I knew all those IQ tests were lying to me! So I have a low IQ after all, oh well.

1- So? Lets? You said lets make that VERY clear yet you make no attempt to make anything clear.

2- Dude read the description, I set the assumption that producing offspring is off the table (male gets a surgery). So no gene pool being messed up.

3- Argument for what? I am not arguing FOR anything. I only seek to provoke thought. I'm merely asking questions and I assure you I have nothing against homosexuality or incest.

Side: They are the same thing
1 point

DISCLAIMER

I have no desire to interest myself in other people's sexual affairs. It has nothing to do with me, so I do not care.

This is because the most egregious and societally destructive sexual perversions are:

- On one hand wanting to control, judge, or approve the sex lives of strangers (e.g., anti-gay rule enforcement in Islam, outrage at gay marriage by fundamentalist Christians, etc..)

- On the other hand wanting to garner publicity and approval from uninterested parties (e.g., Gay Pride parades, Pride week/month/flags, etc.).

Whenever consensual private behavior is subject to public policy or made a topic of public discourse, we dissipate privacy, freedom, and the indifference that is the foundation of tolerance.

I KNOW most folks disagree with me on this, so what follows is based on the point of view that society has legitimate interest in the sex lives of individuals.

DISCUSSION

Given the stipulations in the topic description, I can see why the typical societal objections dissipate. They are, however, VERY different issues.

Societal interest in institutions like marriage and sexual relationships are framed around a few issues

- 1 - Raising children: This is irrelevant in this case (so there is no difference between homosexuality and incest.)

- 2 - Genetic intermingling: This is irrelevant in this case (so there is no difference between homosexuality and incest.)

- 3 - Inheritance: In standard reproductive heterosexual relationships this moves property from grandparents to mingled parents to grandchildren, and spreads the property through a diversifying family line.

In both homosexual and incestuous relationships, the grandchildren step may or may not occur, depending on adoption

Assuming adoption, there is no difference between homosexuality and sterile incest.

However, in the incest cases without adopted children, the access to property inherited from the "grandparents" is kept only within their family.

By contrast, a childless homosexual couple inheriting family wealth would mingle the wealth of two families. This would, averaged for an entire population, give a larger spread of people access to inherited wealth, thereby flattening out (somewhat) the differences in inheritance-based economic access.

- 4 - family intermingling: Society has long had an interest in creating alliances (e.g., royal marriages) through marriage and sexual relationships. In normal heterosexual relationships this includes the production of children, and inheritance, but the third advantage in a multi-racial/multi-cultural society is that these relationships augment societal cohesion amongst different cultural groups within the society. Call it the Romeo and Juliet effect.

Because siblings, cousins, etc. are automatically in the same group, there is no chance of the Romeo and Juliet effect, whereas homosexual relationships can potentially cross ethnic lines, and provide this advantage to society. (in more than just the genetic sense.)

Conclusion

There is no (non-perverted) reason uninvolved parties should care about sterile, consensual incest, but it is still a totally different issue than homosexuality.

Side: They are different issues
1 point

Recessive genetic disorders.

Side: They are different issues

The problem with buying into slippery slopes, is that when you use it's logic, it's hard to justify any changes to government policy, because one thing will lead to an extreme unwanted thing.

Side: They are different issues