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42
33
Yes, there is a heaven No, heaven isn't real
Debate Score:75
Arguments:47
Total Votes:86
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 Yes, there is a heaven (22)
 
 No, heaven isn't real (25)

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If a dying child asks if there is a heaven after they die, what would you say?

Yes, there is a heaven

Side Score: 42
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No, heaven isn't real

Side Score: 33
4 points

I wouldn't want to be an a-hole and scare them in their last few moments of life. That would really suck.

Side: Yes, there is a heaven
3 points

This would be a touchy subject and i'm suprised that many people that are religous have not been arguing this case. I would tell the child that heaven existed if thye previously believe in it. I wouldn't want to see the child die without hope, since that it is one major reason why people live.

Side: Yes, there is a heaven

i am a Catholic and as such was taught to believe in god and heaven and I strongly believe in heaven and will always believe

Side: Yes, there is a heaven
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

... wtf?

This didn't even answer the stupid question. How does this get upvoted 3 times?

Side: depends
3 points

This is an easy argument in favor of the debate question. Answer YES. Tell your child or any human being for that matter under any circumstance that there is a life after death, or a heaven if religious.

Religious argument: All positive belief systems have several characteristics in common. 1. To believe in a omniscient being 2. Adherence to or recognition of a code of conduct for moral behavior 3. That life is a continuance and has a purpose. One's human soul demands answers for its questions. The fact these questions can be asked indicates freedom of the soul and recognition of its existence in this universe. A child wants an answer to his/her question and often asks these questions at an early age, because they are self aware that they exist and acknowledge that there is a need to know and a need to obtain an answer that will help guide them going forward in their existence. Knowing or having a sense of existence and purpose brings joy and is to me a truism of nature.

Atheist argument : I am not an atheist, but have studied human secularist philosophy and would present a case in favor of the need to explain continuance of one's life after death to a child or and any other human being seeking an answer to this life question; 1. Neurological science provides evidence that the human brain is excited by neuron firing at the point of death (brain failure) and is supposedly the reason for mental images that imply out of body experiences or visitations by deceased family members etc. 2. Irrespective of culture, race or religion, the supposed reasoning behind this documented common experience is that the brain is designed to comfort the individual while the process of ceasing to exist is in the process. Somehow, this program has been handed down genetically, or by some coded method we are unsure of as an evolutionary step to maintain a form of order during the cessation experience. 3. The FACT that the human brain program takes over at the point of death to comfort the dying gives credence to the FACT that the human brain must ALSO be capable of comforting itself based on free will and choice PRIOR to the genetic triggered event. There is no distinction for the human conscience. As to when a response to the THE question should be given becomes irrelevant, the FACT it occurs at some stage in the time frame of mortality is the point in question, and a response to the question in favor OF some form of continuance follows the supposed evolutionary trigger.

The religious response makes far more sense. The thinking permeates 95% of the populations of the world. The remaining 5% in my opinion choose denial do not sufficiently consider the FACT that an individual conscience perceives this question by its very nature. This becomes a philosophical question that is poorly explained and limited by the natural constraints of modern scientific thought.

Side: Yes, there is a heaven
aveskde(1935) Disputed
0 points

Religious argument:

Basically a feels-good argument.

Atheist argument

Belief in afterlife is therefore superfluous.

The religious response makes far more sense. The thinking permeates 95% of the populations of the world. The remaining 5% in my opinion choose denial do not sufficiently consider the FACT that an individual conscience perceives this question by its very nature. This becomes a philosophical question that is poorly explained and limited by the natural constraints of modern scientific thought.

Strictly speaking, more than 95% of the population is retarded and I seriously contemplate how they manage to survive without drowning in their drool. Religion provides easy certainty, think of it as fast food for the brain, quick answers and no substance.

Side: No, heaven isn't real
THETRUTH88(25) Disputed
2 points

I would say yes there is a heaven! 1. There actually is a heaven 2. You can give the child hope and bring their spirits up.

Side: Yes, there is a heaven

wow that is a fantastic analogy, i love it. and in my personal opinion i do have to say i agree with you.

Side: No, heaven isn't real
2 points

I'd tell them there was since if they're asking they obviously have already had the idea stuck in their head as a means of coping with death and making a kid confront reality on their death bed would be harsh.

Then I'd go find the person who put the idea in their head in the first place and punch them in the mouth for making me lie to a dying kid.

Side: Yes, there is a heaven
2 points

I would tell them that there was. Only if they previously believed in it, I wouldn't have the heart to tell them that the screen goes blank.

Side: Yes, there is a heaven
1 point

i would say there was a heaven for two reasons, one thats what i believe in. And two, because whether you believe in heaven or not, what if you told that child no and he goes to hell, you dont want to be responsible for that. So say yes for his sake not yours.

Side: Yes, there is a heaven
parrotlover1(22) Disputed
1 point

both your reasons are based on what you believe in,"what if you told that child no and he goes to hell". is saying that he/she will go to hell fallowing what you believe.

my opinion is that this is a child we are talking about so the term religion most likely is not defined for them.

and come on they are dying what are you going to tell them "no there is not a heaven your going to dye and be gone forever"

no of course not you want to make it most comfortable for them so you tell them there is a heaven and its a nice place.

Side: No, heaven isn't real
1 point

Im the most athiestic (is that a word?) athiest you'll ever meet (likely), but even I would not be a monster. Whatever makes them happy.

Side: Yes, there is a heaven
1 point

Well I would say that there is defenitely something nice waiting for them on the other side

Side: Yes, there is a heaven
1 point

Regardless of ones beliefs or who the child is, say “yes” and that they are going to it. A child should not die in fear and they are gullible so they will believe you. That’s all you can really say. A user did bring up that you could ask what they thought which I reckon is a acceptable alternative too

Side: Yes, there is a heaven
4 points

Why are these the only choices?

I would answer with a question, "Do you think there is a heaven?"

If they said yes, then I'd say "that would be nice."

If they said no, I'd say "that's an interesting thought for one so young."

If they said "I don't know"

then I'd say "that's a good answer."

Side: depends
1 point

I think this most closely matches what I would do. I want my child to make up their own mind. Your suggestion leaves the child to make their own decision and is not as influenced by my point of view.

Side: No, heaven isn't real
1 point

Good thought! I like how you play to what the child thinks to make them feel better and not give them a yes or no

Side: No, heaven isn't real
2 points

I'd tell em' to come back and let me know when they find out ;)

Side: No, heaven isn't real
TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
2 points
Side: Yes, there is a heaven
Mahollinder(900) Disputed
1 point

Funny that you should mention that

The boy never died. You have to actually die to go to the alleged Heaven of the Judeo-Christian religion. Fun

Side: No, heaven isn't real
2 points

If it was someone else's child, I would leave it up to their parents to tell them what they felt would benefit the child the most.

If it was my child, it would come as no surprise to them that no one knows if heaven is real and, in all likelihood, it is not.

Side: No, heaven isn't real
1 point

I can't lie to children. especially dying children. Maybe the truth would make them seek that much more fulfilment before their death.

Side: No, heaven isn't real
TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
1 point

Or the realization that nothing awaits them would cause them even greater depression during their last days.

Side: Yes, there is a heaven
nthdegreeman(39) Disputed
1 point

Secular Humanism by its very nature is despondent and fatalistic as far as continuance of one's existence is concerned. We have all benefited from scientific advancement, I am a research engineer and understand scientific thought processes adequately, but the indirect, non-observable philosophical questions that we are capable of perceiving are in no way close to being answered scientifically and requires a sense of a conscious level outside of intellectual reasoning only.

We live in a life-forming universe and has absolutism written all over it. The philosophical questions and answers for life require lenses of a spiritual nature.

Side: No, heaven isn't real
aveskde(1935) Disputed
0 points

Even if that were the case, it would at least be the truth.

Side: No, heaven isn't real

Are you kidding!! Once you are dead, you are dead and buried in the ground.

Side: No, heaven isn't real
2 points

My dear ally, what heartlessness you exhibit for the deathly ill.

Side: Yes, there is a heaven

Sure, if it was child, then I will have some empathy for the scared little child. If I had to lie to make him feel better, then I would do that.

Side: Yes, there is a heaven
1 point

I believe heaven is real, but not everyone goes to heaven.

I'd just say "You'll have to wait and find out" and then wink :) Make them smile. But don't upset them. Nothing worse than upsetting a broken child.

Side: Yes, there is a heaven

You're on the wrong side.

Side: Yes, there is a heaven
1 point

Absolutely. You are what you believe. Believing that you will go somewhere more pleasant and painful after you die, will help you psychologically. Some people find consolation in coming back and meeting up with people in their next lives. Whether we know it to be a fact is irrelevant. Religion is irrelevant. It boils down to which is a more useful way of thinking and what will produce a better psychological state of mind (and body)?

Side: Yes, there is a heaven

Would you feel good about yourself if you lied to a child on their death bed? Didn't think so.

Side: No, heaven isn't real
1 point

I'm mean. Id break that child's heart and say nope There is no heaven, you will crumple to dust like the rest of us.

Side: No, heaven isn't real
1 point

And then I would laugh when they cry like the crule person I am. Then when they ask me where they will go, I will say straight to he'll like the rest of us kiddo.

Side: No, heaven isn't real