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If a woman hates misogyny, Atheism isn't 4 u, Christianity is

Atheism is the religion of misogyny-

Why? Atheism says biology is reality and nothing else. And in biology, the women have the babies. The women take care of the babies. The women are weaker and "built differently".

Christianity praises women and tells men to love and respect their wives. Whether you think religion is sexist or not, Atheism is worse.

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sylynn(626) Banned
2 points

the women have the babies

Do the women not give birth in Christianity? This isn't even 100% true. Most species are this way, however there are exceptions in which the male takes the embryo, carries it to term and gives birth.

The women take care of the babies

Do Christian women not care for their babies? Many species have demonstrated the males to care for their young; some even exclusively take care of them.

The women are weaker and "built differently".

Yes, women are built differently and every religion teaches this as well. Women may be weaker than men in some areas however they are also stronger in others.

Christianity praises women and tells men to love and respect their wives.

Give me a moment to stop laughing...

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hang on...

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Ok, I'm better.

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Christianity teaches women to be silent in church and to submit to their husbands. They were considered the spoils of war for men to do as they please. After the fall - while farming became more difficult for men, women were cursed with severe painful labor and that her husband would rule over her.

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Wrong. Already did this debate. It's a letter to one church who had people, who happened to be women that had problems with gossip and arguing. And yes I can prove it. The rest of the Bible tells us the value of women and how to treat them.

Atheism simply assumes women are a weaker biological agent and should obviously be treated as such. And? I can bury you in articles about Atheist women complaining its misogyny is beyond the pale.

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sylynn(626) Disputed Banned
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It's a letter to one church who had people,

You responded to only one example, and if it's not meant for Christians to follow, it really shouldn't be in the Bible (but of Christians are known for cherry picking).

The rest of the Bible tells us the value of women and how to treat them.

Yeah, they're considered business transactions when it comes to marriage and they are spoils of war to be used however the man pleases.

Atheim simply asdumes women are a weaker biological agent and should obviously be treated as such.

No, atheists simply believe there is no god and doesn't go further than that.

Side: nope
2 points

-----women were cursed with severe painful labor and that her husband would rule over her.-----

So if the struggle is real...the Bible was correct in its assessment. Otherwise feminst accusations and birth itself is a lie? Bwahahahahaha!

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sylynn(626) Disputed Banned
3 points

So if the struggle is real...the Bible was correct in its assessment.

What a shocker... A book written by people who had already been born are aware childbirth is painful.

Side: nope
outlaw60(15294) Disputed
2 points

ROTFFLMMFAO the Progressive says males can give birth !Can you show some facts ?

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PhoenixHero(54) Disputed
2 points

Christianity teaches women to be silent in church and to submit to their husbands. They were considered the spoils of war for men to do as they please..

..Could you give me one shred of evidence about that?

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sylynn(626) Disputed Banned
1 point

Christianity teaches women to be silent in church

1 Cor 14:34: The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.

and to submit to their husbands

Ephesians 5:22-24: Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

They were considered the spoils of war

Deuteronomy 20:14: Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the Lord your God has given you.

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outlaw60(15294) Disputed
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LMMFAO the Progressive says- "Many species have demonstrated the males to care for their young; some even exclusively take care of them."

So what species are you referring to ? You talk the talk so walk the walk !

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sylynn(626) Disputed Banned
1 point

the Progressive

So weird how you always start your arguments with a compliment.

So what species are you referring to ?

Marmosets, seahorses, waterbugs, rheas, many species of frog, sandpipers, penguins, emus, fox...just to name a few

You talk the talk so walk the walk

I do care for my children, you fool.

Side: nope
2 points

Atheists don't have any preconceived notions about the role of women in a modern society.

The psyche' of individual atheists is as diverse as all other groups and their attitudes are formed freely without the hindrance of religious hocus pocus nor having to adapt the holy scriptures of their faith to fit in with the comparatively recent development of the equality of the sexes.

The few references to females in the Christian bible usually depict women in a lowly, subservient role, such as Martha who anointed the feet of Jesus with nard, an expensive perfume and wiped them with her hair.

Muslim's brutal treatment and heartless attitude towards women is well documented.

The logical conclusion is that women's rights and equality are better served by those who are not influenced by the archaic teachings of a bronze aged book.

Side: nope
2 points

1)There were female prophets.

2)There were female leaders in the church.

3)Almost everyone, male or female, was shown in a subservient role, including Christ himself, who washed his disciples' feet.

4)Liberal Atheists (And most Atheists are liberal) have allied politically with Islam, which shows its true, misogynistic nature.

5)Christian cultures were the first to give women rights in the first place. Apparently that book did more good than you care to admit. Atheism has given no equality to women in Atheist nations. It has suppressed them.

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Sure you do. You believe in biology. In biology, female mammals take care of the children, females are weaker, and the dominant male protects the herd and mates by imposing his will.

Side: yep

Discarding the bad parts of the Bible, I see.

Side: nope
1 point

There are no "bad parts of the Bible"

1)Define bad and good, or evil and good with Atheism. Atheist Liberals and Atheist Conservatives themselves would disagree on what is bad and what is good, what is good, and what is evil.

2)If God exists, he determines what is "bad" and what is "good".

3)Show us misogyny in the Bible. You can't use the example above (Sylynn's example). It's already been proven wrong, refuted, and debunked.

Side: yep
2 points

This wasn't posted as an independent argument...

Well, you proved nothing wrong. What you said there makes no sense.

Where does it say that OT is now irrelevant? Does Yahweh allow you to discard his word like that?

Side: nope
1 point

The problem is Christians like yourself try to lump everyone who isn't your version of Christianity into the atheist label. The share of the population which truly is objectively atheist is far smaller than you always imply. Which means even if there is a share within atheism which are guilty of misogny then it is a very small part of the whole population. And yet you and conservative authors try to extrapolate from that a claim of women will flee atheism in droves because they're treated so badly. It's simply one more example of conservative religious spin trying to literally scare people into coming to your side.

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Not according to the demographics on this site. I see... oh...about 60%. Which insinuates that either you are wrong, or the massive minority is obsessed with religion more than any other group by far. And? That's why I doubt their "Atheism". Even they aren't convinced the other way. You pick it.

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Grenache(6103) Disputed Banned
2 points

This site has only about 10 frequent repeat posters now, and many of those are the same persons using multiple avatars. You can't generalize to US or world populations based on the banter in this site.

Side: nope
1 point

Having a child shouldn't be considered a sign of weakness, and in many species, the female and the male take care of the child. For example, penguins in Antarctica. The female penguins leave the egg with the male penguins, who take care of it, even after it hatches. Biology is not what is inherently misogynistic in this situation; society is. Even as people say that atheism holds sexist bearings through biology, Christianity shows situational sexism throughout many chapters of the bible. For example, when man is first created, woman is created as the man's help out of his ribcage. While just a small example of inherent sexism throughout the story of this religion, it has indeed helped build up the built in sexism of our society. Biology was never sexist. Biology cannot be sexist, for biology is about the survival of a species and its members. Biology is about natural selection, and if it truly was sexist, women would have died out a long time.

Side: nope
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Uh huh. And that explains why secular socieities have rampant sexism and serious human rights violations, and Christian nations have open feminists, a plethera of women in positions of power (comparably), and a woman got the popular vote in the Presidential election.

Side: yep
1 point

-----Christianity shows situational sexism -----

This sounds like a tortured version of "sexism" to me. Is it sexist that men have been available for the draft all this time while women were not, or is that "situational sexism"? Is it sexism that males are put in laboring jobs at retail stores far more than females, or is that "situational sexism"? Is it sexism that if a family isn't provided for, the burden of shame goes towards the man, or is that "situational sexism"?

Side: yep
1 point

You folks can't be serious can you? You guys/girls could play in the NBA with a reach this far.

Side: nope