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If anyone can disprove the FACT of evolution I promise I will leave this site fo

If you can convince me that evolution is not an ABSOLUTE FACT I will leave this site, I will literally leave and never come back if you can hit me with an argument I can't dispute no matter how hard I try and I am forced to admit that evolution isn't a fact then I will officially never return to this site ever even in an alt account, I will literally NEVER come back and I will even consider castrating myself, becoming a christian and moving to alpha centauri.

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Stick around. If a belief in mythology carries more weight than belief in a plethora of scientific theories, we need you around. There is NO proof of the myths ... beyond that of passed down stories of sheep and goat herders, finally condensed (and edited) into a book by an Emperor.

I'll stick with you and the science until someone offers some undeniable fact in the other direction. None have been forthcoming for at least 6000 years. ;-)

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David Berlinski, Molecular Biologist

https://youtu.be/BL9S-TUikfg

James Gates, Physicist

https://youtu.be/bp4NkItgf0E

Side: Evolution
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Define evolution. There are more than a few so called theories as it relates to evolution, and I don't believe that all of them are backed by science.

I mean, evolution can mean something as simple as change, which well.. The fact that we are moving through time seems to be a pretty intuitive proof of that.

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Define evolution.

Define definition, you pseudo-intellectual muppet boy.

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TzarPepe(797) Clarified
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Definition of definition

1 a : a statement of the meaning of a word or word group or a sign or symbol dictionary definitions

b : a statement expressing the essential nature of something

c : a product of defining

2 : the action or process of stating the meaning of a word or word group

3 a : the action or the power of describing, explaining, or making definite and clear the definition of a telescope her comic genius is beyond definition

b (1) : clarity of visual presentation : distinctness of outline or detail improve the definition of an image (2) : clarity especially of musical sound in reproduction

c : sharp demarcation of outlines or limits a jacket with distinct waist definition

4 : an act of determining; specifically : the formal proclamation of a Roman Catholic dogma

Side: Evolution
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One thing I have learned over and over on this site, is that there is NOTHING any person could ever say or do to prove anything to a deceptive Liberal.

No matter how many times you present them with facts from sites, they will say those are not real facts. They simply deny the evidence.

For you to try and tell others how evolution is a proven fact, and you don't even know how the first living cell mystically and magically popped to life, means you are a waste of time to debate.

bye

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lionard1122(74) Disputed
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the only reason im responding to you is this: "and you don't even know how the first living cell mystically and magically popped to life", lets clear up this logical fallacy

yes, we dont know how did the first living organism come to exist... we already know of a couple of options which could have occured but we will probably never know the exact reason and event... but that doesnt mean we cant prove all living creatures are connected in a family tree and trace it all back to one living organism, yes we dont know everything... but religion doesnt know anything, it just assumes everything instead

more specifically this logical fallacy is called "god of the gaps" or as i like to call it "we dont know, therefore god": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godofthe_gaps

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NowASaint(1390) Clarified
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There is no evolution if their is no original cell of life. If you cannot explain how life emerged from non-life, you cannot explain evolution. It never happened and will never happen.

You try to dismiss this fact from your belief in evolution because you know that it's much easier to believe in evolution without facing the problem of the origin of life.

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NowASaint(1390) Clarified
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Your religion is called "Naturalism". In your religion, you ascribe supernatural powers to inanimate matter and believe it keeps you out of the fire of Hell.

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I am very open to the idea that there is a higher power, please debate this with me. I will debate evolution and you debate against it.

For the record, it even confuses me how one species can turn into another one. I can, however, explain micro-evolution (within a species) to you very well.

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FactMachine(430) Disputed
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@FromWithin

there is NOTHING any person could ever say or do to prove anything to a deceptive Liberal.

There is the black and white thinking again, everyone who disagrees with me is a deceptive liberal, everyone who disagrees with me is a far right neo nazi etc. This is just more proof that you are all robots and I am one of the few real humans left, because the level of linear polarized truncated narrow minded thinking displayed from within the monitor of my computer screen is atrociously egregious.

No matter how many times you present them with facts

Let's see your "facts" I have never had the pleasure of ripping you a new ass hole, how do you know I am like the others if I haven't even torn you a new rectum yet?

For you to try and tell others how God's existence is a proven fact, and you don't even know how the all knowing all powerfully divine consciousness mystically and magically popped to life out of nothing, means you are a waste of time to debate.

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FromWithin(6182) Disputed
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There you go, lying as always! I wi never waste time debating lairs.

I never said God was a proven fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only fools say a theory of evolution is proven fact.

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Cuaroc(8769) Disputed
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You know you can just admit that you have no evidence disproving evolution instead of writing a senseless rant.

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Alright, I'll take a try.

So by 'evolution' I assume we are talking one species to another, not within a species things like race/breed etc.

Microevolution is an indisputable fact even to the most religious among us. The question comes when we discuss a new species forming from an old one.

I invented this idea (has been posted before in other wording on my other accounts on the Internet) but feel free to copyright it and even to claim it as your own. I really am happy for people to challenge atheists on this shit because I love it when a smart person debates against science... Seriously, I love how hard they try and this is actually very well-put.

P = provision/fact and C = conclusion/theory. The operation symbols are identical to math meaning.

P1: No two species can mate to produce grandchildren (in other words, no two species can produce fertile offspring together).

P2: In order for one species to evolve into another, the intermediary generations would involve two species mating.

P3: If a species cannot mate to produce fertile offspring, there is required a means other than mating for macro-evolution to work.

P4: Only a single-celled being could possibly macro-evolve as it has no zygote (mix of 2 gamete cells) required for its replication/reproduction process and so mutations can occur to a point where an offspring has developed somethign strange in its DNA (or RNA for viruses).

P1+P2+P3+P4 =C1

C1: Macro-evolution is impossible for multi-celled organisms by natural means.

P5: There is not yet a known way for multi-cellular organisms to reproduce without mating and so the only way macro-evolution could be true is if there is something called a 'species-generating species' that exists for one generation and has insane mutation potential which led to many of the similar kind of being.

C1+P5=C2

C2: The only way for macro-evolution to occur in multi-cellular organisms is for there to be some form of intelligent design (AKA unnatural) rigging the system for there to be sudden bursts of 'species-generating species'. This has never been observed yet and therefore it is likely the intelligent designer decided to hide the evidence and only allow us to find the fossils of what resulted from their existence rather than to catch their actual fossils.

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lionard1122(74) Disputed
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well, you dont understand how evolution works: "In order for one species to evolve into another, the intermediary generations would involve two species mating."

thats just not true, we call some life form a part of a species just because it is different enough from any other "specie", all thats required for the transition from species to species is that over a long time there would occur many small changes that eventually make the distent ancestor look different enough from the new creature for us to call that new creature a new species... there was never a point in which a monkey gave birth to the first human or anything like that -_-

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How can the changes become so severe that the species can't produce fertile offspring anymore?

More importantly, why would the other species evolve in the same environment?

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NowASaint(1390) Clarified
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Evolution does not work. Your imagination does work and it cannot be trusted.

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NowASaint(1390) Clarified
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The stuff you have stated regarding how a monkey over kramillions of years morphs into a man has never been observed in nature. Your beliefs are not science. Somebody has fooled you into replacing science with beliefs. Whoever did that to you is not your friend.

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EldonG(550) Disputed
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Nice, meaningless mental gymnastics, that show a profound ignorance of evolution.

Feel free to cite me sources for your misunderstandings.

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GoodListener(629) Clarified
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Do you want a source to prove that if 2 species mate their offspring (if produced at all) is completely infertile to mate even with its own kind?

I can give you some specific cases like ligers and mules if you want.

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NowASaint(1390) Clarified
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Typical boneheaded evolutionist/atheistic product of public education and cartoons. You know your beliefs are baseless so you try to protect yourself by insulting anybody who does not buy the bag of goods you have sold your soul for.

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FactMachine(430) Disputed
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So by 'evolution' I assume we are talking one species to another, not within a species things like race/breed etc.

There is no reason to exclude those things because they are a part of the process of evolution. In fact, they have central relevance to the reason you are completely incorrect. Cutting out the grey areas is the only way to give your little equation a fighting chance.

No two species can mate to produce grandchildren (in other words, no two species can produce fertile offspring together)

Let's take the neanderthal and the human for example, they are pretty much a different species, but they can produce fertile offspring, otherwise white people wouldn't be here. If that doesn't work for you, a roughly equivalent example would be a wolf reproducing with a dog. But that doesn't even matter, because different species or sub groups of the same species don't have to mate for speciation to occur in the first place.

In order for one species to evolve into another, the intermediary generations would involve two species mating.

Hyper reductionist oversimplification in order to satisfy a deeply rooted bias is the only explanation for such a radical failure to comprehend even the most basic principles of evolution. It's an INCREMENTAL and GRADUAL process, there is no need for two different species to mate, only for the right influences to act upon a species over a considerable period of time which causes individuals with certain traits to survive and adapt better to those conditions therefore those individuals reproduce more and the more the offspring mutate to accentuate those successful traits the more they in turn reproduce and therefore those traits are gradually proliferated and amplified until speciation occurs.

Macro-evolution is impossible for multi-celled organisms by natural means.

You must not have a multi-celled brain.

The only way for macro-evolution to occur in multi-cellular organisms is for there to be some form of intelligent design

Then how did the intelligent designer that is even more complex than life on earth get designed?

(AKA unnatural)

If God is real then he is the source of nature, so how can he be unnatural? The concept of something being unnatural or supernatural is self contradictory, everything that exists must be natural because "nature" is the universe itself.

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https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evoscales_01

"different species or sub groups of the same species don't have to mate for speciation to occur in the first place."

Yes they do.

I cannot answer about the intelligent designer(s) as I do not know his/her/its/their identity.

Explain to me how the increments and gradual sexual reproduction can suddenly result in one bunch of offspring in one generation not being able to reproduce with the other one anymore.

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NowASaint(1390) Clarified
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There is no such thing as evolution, not even "micro-evolution". Adaptation and variation in a kind of animal is not evolution in any degree. "Speciation" is not evolution.

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Hello f:

What's crazy about your post, is you go on and on about somebody DISPROVING a scientific fact, which, of course, simply CAN'T be done.. Negatives cannot, lemme repeat that, CANNOT be proven.. If you know ANYTHING about science, you'd know that..

Consequently, I've PROVEN you're a scientific dolt and you should leave.. Please!

excon

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GoodListener(629) Clarified
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Except I just did it.

Side: Evolution
excon(6315) Disputed
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Hello again, GL:

Your claim to have proven a negative is as specious as his promise to leave...

excon

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Negatives cannot, lemme repeat that, CANNOT be proven.

Ex-Con, your heart is in the right place, but you're dumber than a wet fence post.

Not being able to prove a negative is sheer internet myth. How difficult do you imagine it to be for someone to prove it isn't raining? Or that they are not a dog?

What can't be proven is the absence of something in all circumstances where the parameters of where it could be are not clearly defined.

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Ex-Con, your heart is in the right place, but you're dumber than a wet fence post

Says the person that claims 2,000 rapists in one single day, mainly in one city, and all in one country is normal behavior, and everybody does it.

Says the person who claims there are no countries that deal the death penalty to gays.

Says the person who says a man from the 1800s who never labored is...an expert on labor...

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I don't like the insult but decided to up-vote you as this was one of the most thought-out and well intended posts you've made.

So it's very vulgar for most users but for you this is a step in the right direction. Good job.

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David Berlinski, Molecular Biologist

https://youtu.be/BL9S-TUikfg

James Gates, Physicist

https://youtu.be/bp4NkItgf0E

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You want to believe in evolution, so nothing will persuade you to not believe in it.

You want to believe in evolution because you feel it exonerates you in death. You love your sin more than life, and evolution suits your pleasures so you die for it.

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Prove that it's a fact, though...............................................................

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Evolution is nothing new, in the Bible it was shown in pagan tribes who worshiped Dagon, the god they believed was a fish which morphed into man. Dagon idols resembled male mermaids. Evolution is a religious belief, it is not science.

The roots of evolution
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