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Agreed. That's ridiculous.
Debate Score:71
Arguments:36
Total Votes:79
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If gays deserve equal rights, so do drunks and drug addicts.

Gay people already have equal rights, but they keep bellyaching about government privileges they don't qualify for, such as adoption and marriage. I am a drunk and I think if gays should have equal rights based on their gayness alone, so should us alcoholics. Both are alternative lifestyles. There is tons of evidence suggesting that alcoholism is hereditary. I was born this way, it was certainly not my choice. We alcoholics don't even have the right to be in public when we are doing our thing, we have to keep it "in the closet". We have difficulty with the prejudice of employers. I should be allowed to work, as long as I do a good job. The smell of beer on my breath is no good reason to fire me. I want to be able to adopt children, just like gays want. I didn't choose to be an alcoholic, but I have to live with the stigma of it every day. The dissapproving looks, the disrespect, it cuts deep. I think people should be charged with hate crimes for being mean to us, since every other group is protected by such legislation.. People who have a problem with my alcoholism are bigots. **BIGOTS** I say!

Agreed.

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That's ridiculous.

Side Score: 60

I forgot to mention the constant harassment by law enforcement we suffer, just for acting differently than sober people.

Side: Agreed.
Lama(3) Disputed
4 points

I didn't realise that homosexuals harassed you. Followed you around, threw things at you, vandalised your property? Poor you.

Get over yourself. Your choice is fine. Be an alcoholic. Don't impose it on other people. Homosexuality is not a choice, but they don't impose it on you. Get out of their lives and get one of your own.

They suffer enough because of ignorant fools like you

Side: You're full of it

I also want the right to serve in the military, openly drunken. We alcoholics need equality like every other special interest group.

Side: Agreed.
iamdavidh(4869) Disputed
2 points

I'm going to go ahead and do what I always do when I see blatant homophobia.

I'm going to go ahead and assume you are in the closet.

After all, I as a straight person understand that whether two people who are not me are attracted to eachother effects me none whatsoever.

I can only assume since you do not seem to understand that your own sexuality is not in any way effected by the sexuality of another,

That you must be gay.

It is the only explanation.

So from now on and until you come out of the closet I will refer to you as "Enlightened-in-the-closet".

Regardless of the debate and the subject. That's your name.

Why?

Well because it's important you learn to accept you for you, that way you can learn to accept others for who they are as well.

There is no reason to debate this, your position is silly. This is just your way to try to come out of the closet and I'm here to help.

Side: That's ridiculous.
1 point

LOL! I am not homophobic. I bet I have more gay friends than you. I just don't think they need to be adopting children. How does not supporting gay adoption somehow make me attracted to men? You people are just silly. When you make such assumptions, how do you expect to be given credibility?

Side: Agreed.
1 point

It's also ironic that liberals who defend "gay rights" always try to insult me by calling me gay. If being gay is so wonderful, why do you use it as an insult? It's just sooooo hypocritical.

Side: Agreed.
7 points

Being attracted to the same sex has no extra potential to cause impairment, and no extra potential to cause harm to a bystander or colleague.

The worst a gay person can do is make certain people uncomfortable or angry with their presence. This is not the gay person's fault, and they should not be punished for it.

Side: That's ridiculous.
1 point

and they should not be punished for it.

But I should be punished? I've never caused anyone any harm, drunk or sober. I was born this way, why should I be punished when I am a completely functional member of society? You are nothing but a bigot. I do not appreciate your hate speech.

Side: Agreed.
zombee(1024) Disputed
4 points

Alcoholism itself is not a legally punishable offense and alcoholics do not have their rights restricted because they drink too much. They have their rights restricted when they create situations in which the safety or well being of someone else is endangered.

PS: If a straight adult finds an adult of their preferred gender, and gets them to agree to marry them, then they have the right to marry. If a gay adult finds an adult of their preferred gender, and gets them to agree to marry them, then they do not have the right to marry. This alone means that gays do not have equal rights, as you claim in the first sentence of your debate.

Side: That's ridiculous.

I submit to you that drunken drug-addicted gays deserve rights which are equal to those which drunken drug-addicted straight people currently enjoy and hereby proclaim that all those who disagree are BIGOTS.

Side: That's ridiculous.
4 points

If gays deserve equal rights, so do drunks and drug addicts.

Being homosexual doesn't put children or family at risk. Besides the obvious fact that drunks and drug addicts do have equal rights and may marry and adopt children, when their behaviour puts others at risk of violence or negligence, they are burdensome to those around them.

Side: That's ridiculous.
1 point

So, you don't think having gay parents would put a child at risk to mental abuse from peers? Years and years of it? Don't say it's the bigoted peers' problem, it wouldn't be. There is only one victim and that is the adopted child. You seem quite literate for someone so prone to having such stupendous gaps in your reasoning.

Side: Agreed.
aveskde(1936) Disputed
4 points

So, you don't think having gay parents would put a child at risk to mental abuse from peers? Years and years of it?

I'm going to turn this question on its head.

What are gay, lesbian, and bisexual parents? They are people, and at one time were children. Therefore you are advocating the perpetual mental and social abuse of children into adulthood, where they are always outcasts unable to be treated or acknowledged as equals in society.

Don't say it's the bigoted peers' problem, it wouldn't be.

Of course it's their problem. They are the source of the bigotry, the parents are not.

There is only one victim and that is the adopted child.

Who by your reasoning must remain a victim if he is gay or she is lesbian.

Side: That's ridiculous.

I have a theory, newly formed.

Having observed in several canine species a practice of quasi-anal penetration to proclaim dominance, I suspect that a parallel may exist in humans. Homophobic males may find the idea of anal penetration to be a threat to what they perceive to be their masculine dominance, resulting in a reaction of extreme prejudice.

I conclude therefore that homophobia is a primitive and animalistic sentiment, not befitting civilized man.

Alcoholism, however, is a different matter entirely. The salient issue pertaining to it is that it exists regardless of the sexuality of those involved. It cannot therefore be compared to homosexuality, any more than liking chocolate can be compared to heterosexuality.

Side: That's ridiculous.
1 point

Since when have men humped each other to establish dominance.? You assume what is applicable to dogs is likewise applicable to men. Homosexuals and alcoholics are similar in that both groups claim to be born as such. There is more evidence suggesting so of alcoholics than homosexuals. Both groups are reviled by a significant portion of the populace, which downgrades quality of life. Drunkards are truly the more victimized of the two. There will never be parades of beer-bellied slobs marching the streets with beer bottles in hand, demanding equality and the like. It will always be politically correct to disparage alcoholics, while the Gay Lobby is enormously powerful.

Side: Agreed.
2 points

Since when have men humped each other to establish dominance.?

Whether they do or do not is immaterial. What matters is the perception.

You assume what is applicable to dogs is likewise applicable to men.

Your assumption is that it is not. I cannot see why yours would be more accurate.

Homosexuals and alcoholics are similar in that both groups claim to be born as such.

It is ridiculous to suggest that alcoholics are born as such. The human body has no biological dependence upon alcohol. It is therefore impossible for a foetus to develop one without ingesting it.

There is more evidence suggesting so of alcoholics than homosexuals.

Incorrect. The evidence implies that certain genetic factors can increase the likelihood of becoming an alcoholic, but it must be consumed first. It is therefore impossible for alcoholism to be a purely genetic defect.

Both groups are reviled by a significant portion of the populace, which downgrades quality of life.

Alcoholics downgrade the quality of life of those around them. There is no evidence suggesting that homosexuals do the same.

Drunkards are truly the more victimized of the two.

Irrelevant.

There will never be parades of beer-bellied slobs marching the streets with beer bottles in hand, demanding equality and the like.

That is the fault of the alcoholics, not society.

It will always be politically correct to disparage alcoholics, while the Gay Lobby is enormously powerful.

Homosexuality has no adverse affects upon society, whereas alcoholism does. It is therefore logical to disparage the latter and not the former.

Side: That's ridiculous.
aveskde(1936) Disputed
1 point

Since when have men humped each other to establish dominance.?

I believe it was in Roman times that homosexual sex wasn't frowned upon, but the position you took was. That is to say, if you were the submissive being penetrated it would be construed that you were less manly, perhaps effeminate. The one doing the penetrating was masculine.

Both groups are reviled by a significant portion of the populace, which downgrades quality of life.

If you cannot distinguish between revulsion caused by the unusual, the different, and revulsion caused by a menace to society then you have issues.

Drunkards are truly the more victimized of the two.

You confirm my suspicions.

It will always be politically correct to disparage alcoholics, while the Gay Lobby is enormously powerful.

In thirty years your viewpoint will fall on deaf ears anyway. Times are changing.

Side: That's ridiculous.
1 point

yes i support enigmaticman because this person knoswhat they're talking about when they say this.

Side: That's ridiculous.

It is an utterly ridiculous argument. All people deserve equal rights...that's why they're called human rights. Your argument that Gay people do not have the right to adopt is a false one. Many gay people adopt children successfully and their children do thrive for the most part. Unlike alcoholics and drug addicts they don't have the added headache of their children being born addicted. All people deserve respect and any human right that all others enjoy without prejudice.

Side: That's ridiculous.
2 points

What do gays and drunk/drug addicts have to do with each other? This is clearly a homophobic offence to compare gays and drunk/drug addicts "badness" to homophobics

Side: That's ridiculous.

I believe this argument is absolutely pointless. If you are a drunk, and want equal rights, (which by the way you already do) why should it bother you if gays have rights? Are you jealous? Ha, you need to grow up and be mature. Were you drunk when you started this argument? Because if you think about it, logically (and while you're sober), this IS ridiculous. How can you compare gays to druggies and drunks? They aren't menaces to society. They don't get into fights with those they love because their minds are gone. They don't pose a threat to you in any way.

By the way, my best friend is gay. And guess what? Their father was killed in a car accident by a drunk driver, not a gay driver.

That student has a GPA of 4.25 and is attending the most prestigious college in the southeast. Perhaps you would like to tell her father that she's doing so well in life.

The driver that killed her father lived and went onto rehab, living a normal life, with no recollection of what he did.

Side: That's ridiculous.
1 point

why is everybody so homophobic these days theres absolutly no need to be as its up to you who you wanna be and what you want to do with your life it really winds me uphow some people can be homophobic its really pathetic maybe u just need to come out of the closet yourself :O

Side: That's ridiculous.
1 point

Alcoholism is not hereditary. it is usually brought on by verbal or physical abuse or by example(someone close to you was a drunk). it is a coping mechanism to help you forget what happened to you. i am gay. i want the right to adopt and get married the same as you. they only difference is there is a very small chance of my driving drunk or getting ticketed for public intoxication. i cant show up at work reeking of gay.

Side: That's ridiculous.
1 point

everyone should have rights, we cant help who we fall in love with, but we can help drug addiction, drug addicts could very well kill themselves and it is not fair to doctors and nurses who have to treat them because they take too many because they have people to deal with who's life are on the line, people who actually care about themselves and want to live, unlike alcoholics and drug addicts, why sell drugs to help people if some aren't even injured and need them.

Side: Agreed.

A person is born Gay. This is now 2015 and the Supreme Court just declared Gay Marriage the law of the land.

Side: That's ridiculous.
1 point

They have literally nothing in common with one another. This argument is ludicrous.

Side: That's ridiculous.