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If someone is drowning and you refuse to help, are you responsible for his death

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2 points

Hello D:

You're not responsible, but your inaction is wrong...........

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PS> (edited) Look.. As a bleeding heart, I think we owe something to ourselves. I suspect a conservative would say we owe our fellowman NOTHING..

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if we are given the chance to help, someone, especially someone who is dying, then we are responsible for our inaction.

bozwallocks(59) Clarified
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There are parts of the world where people die daily for want of small cost. We can all afford this but don't take the time to give it. Does this mean we are responsible for their deaths?

It depends on why you choose to refuse to help, in my opinion.

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Never give a sucker a break, so if there was a life belt around you could offer to sell it to the drowning person for a knockdown price of say, $5000 plus an additional labour charge of $1000.

Most people would consider their lives to be worth $6000.

Not if I cannot swim. *

Atrag(4943) Banned
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I guess your alt accounts voted this up. Congrats on your popularity with them.

Quantumhead(561) Clarified
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I guess your alt accounts voted this up.

He upvotes all his own posts. It's annoying as fuck.

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It depends. Are they good looking or a nasty fat slob?

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Whatever caused him to start drowning in the first place is responsible for his death, you wouldn't have caused the death yourself and therefore aren't technically responsible. The fact that you could have prevented his death might make you morally responsible for something, but not his death. If one believes that it's a moral obligation to help the drowning person then they will have to accept some responsibility for being 'immoral' by not taking the opportunity to do what is right.

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Requiring someone to jump in the water themselves would be wrong for many reasons. They may be unable to swim, have a phobia, have medical reasons not to, worry it's not clean or safe, may have other responsibilities on land (like their kids), and they may be uncertain of the situation (maybe it isn't clear it's really a case of drowning).

However, expecting someone to call for help either verbally or on their phone if they have one is a reasonable expectation. Whether or not failing to call is a crime depends on the local laws, though.

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What if you just hate people and don't own a cell phone? ;)

Grenache(4559) Clarified
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Then you're off the hook. Literally. ............................................................

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If you're able to help then pretty much, yes. They would have survived if you acted in a certain manner but died because you acted in another manner. Therefore your actions caused their death.

I don't like the idea of punishing people because they didn't help though.

San101(101) Clarified
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If there was inaction by people everywhere then why would should there be punishment for negligence

WinstonC(415) Clarified
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Negligence laws require a legal duty, a breach of this duty and causation of harm. I'd agree that there is a moral duty to act but there isn't a legal duty to act.

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That was the case in Florida where those teens recorded and laughed at a man drowning. I'm of two minds on this, honestly the blood thirsty part of me wants to hold their heads under water for a bit, the other part of me......well ok....wants to kick them repeatedly.

What makes me furious is they did NOTHING. They didn't call the police, they didn't try to get help. I can understand not going out into the water yourself, honestly a drowning person will panic and try to pull you under but to stand there and laugh and record it.....that's a kind of scum that shouldn't be in society but unfortunately isn't illegal. While I think by their actions they are responsible in some part, I don't think legally they are.

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Imprisoning and rehabilitating such people that laugh while someone that they could help dies would serve a moral good. These people are clearly evil people and will darken the lives of those around them. As such it makes sense to make an effort to change these people for the better, or failing that, keeping them imprisoned. Now, I wouldn't say that they have broken a law, however they have demonstrated sadism and a disregard for human life. Such people are dangerous and need to be "fixed".

This is different from simply failing to help because of the sadism and lack of value for human life. They aren't breaking a law (and there shouldn't be a law to force their action) but they are showing themselves to be in need of serious psychological help.

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I agree. To laugh at the suffering and death of a human or to encourage a person to jump to their deaths (different instances) shows a certain sadistic, sociopathic tendency that should never be normal and should be addressed.

Quantumhead(561) Disputed
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Imprisoning and rehabilitating such people that laugh while someone that they could help dies would serve a moral good. These people are clearly evil people

If people do moral wrongs because they are somehow innately "evil" then how can you hope to rehabilitate them? The fact is that every culture has a different framework of acceptable morality and this framework is not chosen by the "evil" doer. They are simply expected to conform to cultural expectations of morality and ignore their own interpretations. When you talk about rehabilitation what you are actually talking about is brainwashing them. Perhaps that might even have some effect if you catch them as children. But as adult offenders who have been around the prison system they are more likely to despise their own culture than be positively influenced by it.

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You have not gone BYE BYE Darwin so yesterday you just wanted to whine and complain ?

Dermot(2689) Disputed
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Yes I wanted to get my way buddy 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

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"If someone is drowning and you refuse to help, are you responsible for his death"

Are you alluding to that men can't swim and only women can swim ?

Are you a racist ?

Dermot(2689) Disputed
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No , you are totally confused aren't you ?

Am I a racist ? No , that would make me like you wouldn't it ?

outlaw60(8546) Clarified
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"If someone is drowning and you refuse to help, are you responsible for his death"

You avoided what was asked are men the only gender that drowns !

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On a factual serious note you are with respect to morals and in some places and countries it is a criminal offense. If the person drowning is your enemy or someone you hate enjoy the show and stop others from helping heheh.

If you see the Democrat Party supporting No restriction abortions of viable babies, and say and do nothing to help save their lives, are you responsible? If you vote for these inhuman politicians, are you responsible?

100% yes you are!

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Well... if you're not the reason that they're drowning then why would you be responsible for their death? I would not go help them because I am not a strong enough swimmer to go out, save someone who is struggling, and then return us both to safety. That does not make their death my fault

No, they could end up pulling you down with them. I believe you are responsible for calling for help if you see it though.

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I can't swim, so why even try? If I had a life preserver, I'd toss it to them. Other than that, they're on their own.

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Yes, any person who votes for Democrats who support killing viable babies up to birth for any reason. is responsible for those deaths.

There is no danger to their own lives to refuse to vote for those who are inhuman, but there could be personal danger to a person trying to save a drowning person.

I believe a person should try to save someone drowing if at all possible, but it should not be the law to make him do so.

If a person supported the right for others to purposely drown innocent viable babies, as Democrats do viable babies, then we are talking responsibility for the inhumanity.

Atrag(4943) Disputed Banned
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interesting interesting interesting and then me ask:

If someone is drowning and you refuse to help, are you responsible for his death???????