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 If the big bang happened... (55)

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If the big bang happened...

If the big bang happened then why are there planets and stars and clumps of plants and stars (galaxies)?  If something compact, like all the matter in the universe, exploded or began expanding (depending on what scientists you trust in regards to the big bang theory), wouldn't it evenly disperse over the universe?  If it was an expansion then this concept negates the theory because it would be impossible for something to slowly expand without breaking equilibrium and create something with more mass and thus more gravitational force (Newtonian Laws of Physics).  The only way to explain such things would to believe it exploded, since explosions disperse material "randomly."  However, this then begs the question of how an explosion could happen within a vaccuum because nothing could get that compact without being within a vacuum.

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10 points

It's called gravity or do Christan's reject that theory too?

5 points

Gravity is just Jesus trying to pull you to him... hehehe!

hambone15(24) Clarified
2 points

Nope gravity is just Satan's way of trying to pull you to hell! If you believe in science, you are therefore believing in gravity and will succumb to his will and be pulled down to the depths of hell. Therefore; all science is garbage!

Oh Christians...you almost make it too easy!

Axmeister(4322) Disputed
2 points

Because a devoted Christian identified gravity....

Dremorius(861) Clarified
1 point

But does that old Italian dude share the same mind as every Christian? He's just an individual who was persecuted by other Christians who rejected the theory at that time.

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Good job!! You are the only one who understands what I am saying! :D

.... Hopefully.... haha

1 point

So the only reason you support the theory of gravity is because a devout christian identified it...?

vandebater(444) Disputed
1 point

smh.... upvote for you cuaroc u made me giggle. Christians, don't you think that if there was a flaw in the big bang simple enough for you to think of, our leading physicists would have figured it out by now? .

lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

That, my friend, is called faith... You trust in scientists willingly like a child just as Christians follow God in a childlike way.

BenWalters(1513) Disputed
1 point

HEY ITS NOT IN THE BIBLE THEREFORE ITS NOT REAL FOR GODS SAKE WHY DONT YOU UNDERSTAND

I MEAN, THERE'S NOT EVEN ANY PROOF THAT GRAVITYS EVEN REAL, SO WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE IN IT?

If only theists understood that the proof of gravity + evolution isn't too far apart ...

andybar98(124) Disputed
1 point

YOU'RE NOT IN THE BIBLE THEREFORE YOU'RE NOT REAL

same logic

lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

I'm not sure you understand the argument... but I have no idea where to start on explaining it... haha where are you confused? I'll walk you through it!

Apollo(1608) Disputed
2 points

He's not the one who is confused ...

2 points

The galaxies formed when the evenly dispersed matter was drawn together by gravity. Seriously, I understood the formation of solar systems when I was like 7.

lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

I'm not sure you understand what the argument is... I'll help you though it if you tell me where you are confused! :)

1 point

People have answered you a few times now. The answer for why everything in the universe is not randomly dispersed, is because of gravity.

However, this then begs the question of how an explosion could happen within a vaccuum because nothing could get that compact without being within a vacuum.

How do you know that there is a vacuum outside of the universe?

well it was infinitely dense, infinitely small, and infinitely expanding, it was bound to collapse within itself eventually, why does everything look the way it is? because our senses reduce what they sense into something that can make sense to us.... so the big bang was probably just energy and dark matter getting thrown everywhere

but idk

4 points

Destroying lolzors in an argument about religion is like beating up a 4-year-old.

Emperor(1348) Disputed
1 point

Ahaha, yes. It really is.

It's good you compared him to a 4 year old, rather than something really insulting like... a creationist.

God creating the world is a theory and the big bang is a theory, you know what they both have in common? They were written by man and have a very high probability of being wrong.

anachronist(889) Disputed
3 points

God creating the world isn't a theory, it's not even a complete hypothesis.

Troy8(2433) Disputed
1 point

Sure it is. What makes it not so? The fact that you don't agree with it?

ZacJonathanD(12) Disputed
1 point

Well, we can test theory's like the Big Bang and we can gather evidence and come to a conclusion based on that. However, we cannot test nor prove tat some magical genie in the sky created this entire universe, all its compartments, and the earth, in six days. Give me a break.

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God creating the world is not a theory. The Big Bang IS a theory, you got that right at least. The conclusion does not follow the premises you made.

Both were written by man, but only one has a high probability of being wrong. That being "god created the world". There is no evidence for such a claim, indicating its unlikeliness at being true. There IS however, lots of evidence to support the big bang theory.

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How would we know if it has evenly dispersed across the universe? You may not have noticed but our efforts in space-travel have only gone so far.. We have not yet explored outer-space in its vastness and size, so... what is that you're trying insinuate here?

lolzors93(3225) Disputed
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If the speck of everything began in a central dot not larger than the dot of an "i" and slowly spun out, it would be impossible to explain planets and stars and galaxies. The Law of Angular momentum refutes it. If something spinning causes things to spread out because of centrifugal force (which would be the only explanation for the expanse because gravity would be too strong to allow anything else) then everything in that dot would continue in its same path until it was acted upon by an outside force, which would also be impossible because all other outside forces would too be going outward in equilibrium. For something to be spinning so fast and so compact, there would no feasible way for it to be clumpy within the dot. It would have to be equal on all sides because for something to be so tightly compact, it would not be able to separate except for centrifugal force. If the expanse was clumpy from the beginning then all matter in the universe would have accumulated yet again into that one over balanced mass of an object and there would be no continuous expansion we see today. Therefore, it would be required for this "dot" to be equal on all sides to even believe that there was an expanse. However, it is impossible for anything to be acted upon if these materials (the only materials in the universe) were to continue in their same paths. This means that planets and stars and galaxies would have to be formed by some outside force because this equilibrium would be impossible to break. Therefore, the big bang theory is in no way feasible for an expansion.

If you argue it is an explosion then there would be no way for it to happen also because no explosions happen within a vacuum (so I'm told) and we all know better than to believe that explosions cause any sort of order. They cause chaos.

haha straight logic ^^^^ ;)

TudorRose(117) Disputed
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But the second law of thermodynamics dictates that the universe IS expanding because it is cooling down... The Big Bang was not some supernova of an explosion- it was the tiniest little pop- it is so famously named the Big Bang for ironic purpose because something so small created something as huge and vast as the universe- how's that for logic? ;)

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If the speck of everything began in a central dot not larger than the dot of an "i" and slowly spun out, it would be impossible to explain planets and stars and galaxies.

Where does it say that the big bang was the universe merely slowly spinning and expanding ever so slowly?

I find it difficult to follow your logic in this paragraph. Could you possibly rephrase it in clearer more efficient terms?

Well the universe is and was one large vacuum. It gathered all the matter into a small small space, becoming so dense that it exploded on it self. The reason things are in clumps is because GRAVITY. And, we are expanding, and moving further and further away from everything, but you have to realize how freaking massive these things are, so gravity is pulling things together, and the big bangs explosion is pushing things away.

zico20(345) Disputed
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Who says the universe was one large vacuum? PROVE IT! Didnt think so. And where did this suppossed vacuum come from. Did it magically appear?